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我覺得回憶是一個很好的東西還可以提醒我們發生過去的事情那些還沒有做我今天在之前在我們頂級的部長簽告過說國土計劃法要實施之前有一個東西很重要就是國土計劃土地使用管制規則這個部份跟人家變了?跟委員報告4月26號已經預告了4月26號已經預告了那民眾知道了嗎?\n97806\t98687\t主席主席主席\n113436\t138338\t我想這個消息出來之後：很多的指甲室：包括南部我們都會有關系：這些農民：這些漁民都很煩惱那我想：是不是我想建議不能只有公告這一塊：應該是可以跟各縣市來合作：包括辦公廳會：聽聽我們地方的聲音：跟我們：讓我們的農民什麼可以做什麼可以做：讓這個法能夠推動順利那部長是不是同意這樣的建議\n141420\t163500\t吳委員剛才講的部分我完全可以同意因為連我也不了解說現在國土計劃法所包括的範圍內管治政府怎麼會有不一樣的聲音因為它很早以前就按照行政程序去公告地方政府包括都發單位或者是縣市政府都知道那現在我看到每個地方的縣市政府的包括民意代表也提出不同的想法\n164321\t189054\t所以我想既然大家都有這樣子的一個想法跟質疑的話,我們要凝聚共識之前,最好能夠再多聽聽大家的聲音。但是因為還沒有凝聚共識,所以原來我們所設定的期程是還沒有改變,因為時間還沒到。如果需要改變的話,我們會跟著做一下滾動式的檢討。是,我相信部長你如果去拜訪我們這裡的總督、我們這裡的領袖,應該也是,是沒有這樣說,說了這麼多歡樂的事情給你聽嘛。\n191235\t197260\t還有農民團體也有原住民團體有不同的聲音我們說到農民團體除了宗教團體這一塊我看到你有提及宗教團體以治安人民登記不動產處理暫行條例延長辦理有支持延長延長多久還沒有確定\n213852\t217033\t我會跟委員做一個不一樣的概念我認為在宗教團體內服務的人,人,不是神才是我們內政部需要去服務跟幫忙的部分\n239663\t249956\t宗教法人法事涉很廣,因為宗教法人法到後來會變成大的宗廟團體才會做,小的,譬如說可能我們地方上的土地公廟,或是貓族園,小小的房子,他不會去處理這個,那如果是這樣的狀況之下,你沒有辦法涵蓋\n257245\t268354\t所有在宗教團體裡面服務人員他們自己的權益保障的話貿然就進入所謂的宗教法人法因為宗教法人法類似跟財團法人行政法人一樣你還要有當屬定還要有你幹不屬定定所以我覺得還需要再從長計議回去會做一下檢討\n274138\t277540\t我們前幾天看到內政部發布的新稿就是說呼籲業者不要以碳費來徵收作為烘台價格的房價的這個\n300554\t302596\t民眾會好奇究竟我們 會不會影響到房價?\n318936\t341224\t報告委員 這個所謂的碳費 所謂的0.9的這個部分他是在建築研究所裡面的一個討論的部分那事實上現在碳費的制定或是有關未來的淨零的這個轉型的部分是由環境部來主導可是我已經要求我們的次長跟我們的建築研究所現在要類似開公聽會或是開一個建築研究的討論\n342504\t342544\t主席\n365677\t366077\t這個部份請部長持續關注這個問題\n391278\t391738\t主委知道嗎?\n420570\t443323\t過去一段時間的事故我們都列入檢討21個弟兄因公殉職造成21個家庭的破碎我想我們不要死後哀悼也不要悲情的哀悼我想要做的 這裡要做的是說讓我們每一個消防弟兄能夠安全的從舊災的現場回來這是我們要努力的部分那我想經過前天那個新竹的事情也想\n443763\t444383\t警政署\n463228\t491347\t市長,好的警察不是垂手可的,他們不是隨時短期培訓就可以養成,他就長時間的培養。那在這邊我想,因為警務組現在在未來的警力的這個禁用訓練、退休及儲備上,是不是有更與時俱進的做法跟更完善的規劃?那這邊本市委會小長的建議,臺東縣這個高階的員警的員額不多,那是不是能夠,未來能夠在升遷上能夠考慮以在地的人力優先?\n492568\t493648\t主席主席主席主席\n519933\t525116\t備請的人員需要隨時的支援這塊是不是也要列進去裡面備請如果有出去處理是可以列進去的有受理民眾報案有出請的話是可以列進去\n537722\t537742\t謝謝組長：部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請 有請我們的部長請 劉部長黃國榮你好部長好你好部長 那個 雖然我們昨天通過了我們的那個執行刑事法不過保證不用煩惱啦 雖然我是國民黨的立委但是我們自己工作做好 大家都沒問題是因為我相信我們來這裡 是為了改革我們社會和國家的問題不是為了我們國民的問題這部分 我相信我們要這樣共識\n法定人數不足\n預計是明年4月但是現在地方政府或者是有一些團體有不同的想法跟建議那我會認為說可能我們溝通不足包括地方政府或是一些公民團體或是其他的部分我們會來做比較好的溝通的方向\n市長 我覺得回憶是一個很好的東西還可以提醒我們發生過去的事情那些還沒有做我今天在之前在我們頂級的部長簽告過說國土計劃法要實施之前有一個東西很重要就是國土計劃土地使用管制規則這個部份跟人家變了?跟委員報告4月26號已經預告了4月26號已經預告了那民眾知道了嗎?\n主席主席主席\n我想這個消息出來之後：很多的指甲室：包括南部我們都會有關系：這些農民：這些漁民都很煩惱那我想：是不是我想建議不能只有公告這一塊：應該是可以跟各縣市來合作：包括辦公廳會：聽聽我們地方的聲音：跟我們：讓我們的農民什麼可以做什麼可以做：讓這個法能夠推動順利那部長是不是同意這樣的建議\n吳委員剛才講的部分我完全可以同意因為連我也不了解說現在國土計劃法所包括的範圍內管治政府怎麼會有不一樣的聲音因為它很早以前就按照行政程序去公告地方政府包括都發單位或者是縣市政府都知道那現在我看到每個地方的縣市政府的包括民意代表也提出不同的想法\n所以我想既然大家都有這樣子的一個想法跟質疑的話,我們要凝聚共識之前,最好能夠再多聽聽大家的聲音。但是因為還沒有凝聚共識,所以原來我們所設定的期程是還沒有改變,因為時間還沒到。如果需要改變的話,我們會跟著做一下滾動式的檢討。是,我相信部長你如果去拜訪我們這裡的總督、我們這裡的領袖,應該也是,是沒有這樣說,說了這麼多歡樂的事情給你聽嘛。\n還有農民團體也有原住民團體有不同的聲音我們說到農民團體除了宗教團體這一塊我看到你有提及宗教團體以治安人民登記不動產處理暫行條例延長辦理有支持延長延長多久還沒有確定\n我會跟委員做一個不一樣的概念我認為在宗教團體內服務的人,人,不是神才是我們內政部需要去服務跟幫忙的部分\n宗教法人法事涉很廣,因為宗教法人法到後來會變成大的宗廟團體才會做,小的,譬如說可能我們地方上的土地公廟,或是貓族園,小小的房子,他不會去處理這個,那如果是這樣的狀況之下,你沒有辦法涵蓋\n所有在宗教團體裡面服務人員他們自己的權益保障的話貿然就進入所謂的宗教法人法因為宗教法人法類似跟財團法人行政法人一樣你還要有當屬定還要有你幹不屬定定所以我覺得還需要再從長計議回去會做一下檢討\n我們前幾天看到內政部發布的新稿就是說呼籲業者不要以碳費來徵收作為烘台價格的房價的這個\n民眾會好奇究竟我們 會不會影響到房價?\n報告委員 這個所謂的碳費 所謂的0.9的這個部分他是在建築研究所裡面的一個討論的部分那事實上現在碳費的制定或是有關未來的淨零的這個轉型的部分是由環境部來主導可是我已經要求我們的次長跟我們的建築研究所現在要類似開公聽會或是開一個建築研究的討論\n主席\n這個部份請部長持續關注這個問題\n主委知道嗎?\n過去一段時間的事故我們都列入檢討21個弟兄因公殉職造成21個家庭的破碎我想我們不要死後哀悼也不要悲情的哀悼我想要做的 這裡要做的是說讓我們每一個消防弟兄能夠安全的從舊災的現場回來這是我們要努力的部分那我想經過前天那個新竹的事情也想\n警政署\n市長,好的警察不是垂手可的,他們不是隨時短期培訓就可以養成,他就長時間的培養。那在這邊我想,因為警務組現在在未來的警力的這個禁用訓練、退休及儲備上,是不是有更與時俱進的做法跟更完善的規劃?那這邊本市委會小長的建議,臺東縣這個高階的員警的員額不多,那是不是能夠,未來能夠在升遷上能夠考慮以在地的人力優先?\n主席主席主席主席\n備請的人員需要隨時的支援這塊是不是也要列進去裡面備請如果有出去處理是可以列進去的有受理民眾報案有出請的話是可以列進去\n謝謝組長：部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.871 --> 00:09.074\n謝 謝 主 席 我 們 請 有 請 我 們 的 部 長 請 劉 部 長 黃 國 榮 你 好 部 長 好 你 好 部 長 那 個 雖 然 我 們 昨 天 通 過 了 我 們 的 那 個 執 行 刑 事 法 不 過 保 證 不 用 煩 惱 啦 雖 然 我 是 國 民 黨 的 立 委 但 是 我 們 自 己 工 作 做 好 大 家 都 沒 問 題 是 因 為 我 相 信 我 們 來 這 裡 是 為 了 改 革 我 們 社 會 和 國 家 的 問 題 不 是 為 了 我 們 國 民 的 問 題 這 部 分 我 相 信 我 們 要 這 樣 共 識\n\n00:33.553 --> 00:33.933\n法 定 人 數 不 足\n\n00:52.715 --> 01:07.888\n預 計 是 明 年 4 月 但 是 現 在 地 方 政 府 或 者 是 有 一 些 團 體 有 不 同 的 想 法 跟 建 議 那 我 會 認 為 說 可 能 我 們 溝 通 不 足 包 括 地 方 政 府 或 是 一 些 公 民 團 體 或 是 其 他 的 部 分 我 們 會 來 做 比 較 好 的 溝 通 的 方 向\n\n01:08.376 --> 01:30.805\n市 長 我 覺 得 回 憶 是 一 個 很 好 的 東 西 還 可 以 提 醒 我 們 發 生 過 去 的 事 情 那 些 還 沒 有 做 我 今 天 在 之 前 在 我 們 頂 級 的 部 長 簽 告 過 說 國 土 計 劃 法 要 實 施 之 前 有 一 個 東 西 很 重 要 就 是 國 土 計 劃 土 地 使 用 管 制 規 則 這 個 部 份 跟 人 家 變 了 ? 跟 委 員 報 告 4 月 2 6 號 已 經 預 告 了 4 月 2 6 號 已 經 預 告 了 那 民 眾 知 道 了 嗎 ?\n\n01:37.806 --> 01:38.687\n主 席 主 席 主 席\n\n01:53.436 --> 02:18.338\n我 想 這 個 消 息 出 來 之 後 ： 很 多 的 指 甲 室 ： 包 括 南 部 我 們 都 會 有 關 系 ： 這 些 農 民 ： 這 些 漁 民 都 很 煩 惱 那 我 想 ： 是 不 是 我 想 建 議 不 能 只 有 公 告 這 一 塊 ： 應 該 是 可 以 跟 各 縣 市 來 合 作 ： 包 括 辦 公 廳 會 ： 聽 聽 我 們 地 方 的 聲 音 ： 跟 我 們 ： 讓 我 們 的 農 民 什 麼 可 以 做 什 麼 可 以 做 ： 讓 這 個 法 能 夠 推 動 順 利 那 部 長 是 不 是 同 意 這 樣 的 建 議\n\n02:21.420 --> 02:43.500\n吳 委 員 剛 才 講 的 部 分 我 完 全 可 以 同 意 因 為 連 我 也 不 了 解 說 現 在 國 土 計 劃 法 所 包 括 的 範 圍 內 管 治 政 府 怎 麼 會 有 不 一 樣 的 聲 音 因 為 它 很 早 以 前 就 按 照 行 政 程 序 去 公 告 地 方 政 府 包 括 都 發 單 位 或 者 是 縣 市 政 府 都 知 道 那 現 在 我 看 到 每 個 地 方 的 縣 市 政 府 的 包 括 民 意 代 表 也 提 出 不 同 的 想 法\n\n02:44.321 --> 03:09.054\n所 以 我 想 既 然 大 家 都 有 這 樣 子 的 一 個 想 法 跟 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