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總 計 有 近 6 億 的 雞 蛋 專 案 進 口 到 底 都 是 哪 些 公 司 在 進 口 那 竟 然 就 是 都 以 機 密 為 由 拒 絕 提 供 就 多 次 像 這 個 農 業 部 調 閱 進 口 的 詳 細 資 料 那 農 業 部 也 都 拒 絕 提 供 本 席 在 此 再 請 問 部 長 雞 蛋 進 口 的 資 料 真 的 是 國 家 機 密 嗎 ?\n\n5\n00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:49,337\n不 過 我 想 跟 委 員 說 明 當 初 去 年 3 月 的 時 候 專 案 忌 口 農 業 部 是 委 託 中 央 巨 產 會 去 執 行 這 樣 的 一 個 任 務 那 在 相 關 的 這 些 資 訊 的 部 分 我 在 歷 史 的 委 員 會 都 提 到 只 要 是 農 業 部 能 夠 拿 得 到 的 我 們 一 定 會 提 供 但 是 有 時 候 會 牽 扯 到 一 些 合 約 上 面 的 一 些 雙 門 本 身\n\n6\n00:01:50,477 --> 00:02:09,447\n我 其 實 有 點 異 議 就 是 說 就 是 一 直 在 講 說 合 約 裡 面 有 保 密 條 款 但 這 顯 然 不 是 理 由 因 為 合 約 裡 面 有 保 密 義 務 的 應 該 是 廠 商 而 不 是 農 業 部 否 則 呢 等 於 所 有 政 府 的 合 約 都 不 能 公 開 啦 那 拿 人 民 納 稅 的 血 汗 錢 買 雞 蛋\n\n7\n00:02:12,068 --> 00:02:34,946\n是 哪 些 廠 商 負 責 ． 跟 哪 些 廠 商 買 ． 國 會 不 能 監 督 ． 人 民 不 能 過 問 ． 這 樣 會 不 會 太 荒 謬 ． 所 以 本 席 在 這 裡 還 是 正 式 的 再 次 要 求 ． 農 業 部 應 該 把 雞 蛋 採 購 的 相 關 細 節 提 供 給 本 委 員 會 ． 部 長 您 同 意 嗎 我 想 第 一 個 部 分 合 約 的 部 分 在 去 年 那 個\n\n8\n00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:37,008\n所 以 可 以 再 一 次 提 供 給 本 委 員 會 嗎 ? 是 不 是 ? 請 部 長 。\n\n9\n00:02:53,018 --> 00:02:56,019\n另 外 本 席 也 想 再 請 問 一 下 部 長 就 是 說 部 長 今 天 早 上 說 蛋 價 要 下 降 要 下 調 這 一 點 可 以 請 部 長 解 釋 一 下 為 什 麼 嗎 我 沒 有 說 蛋 價 要 下 調\n\n10\n00:03:10,492 --> 00:03:25,468\n有 啊 ! 報 紙 都 出 來 了 啊 ! 報 紙 全 部 都 出 來 了 說 部 長 建 議 要 調 降 蛋 價 不 是 , 我 說 現 在 的 雞 蛋 的 產 地 價 格 已 經 比 去 年 的 最 高 點 已 經 降 了 大 概 1 0 塊 那 相 對 的 因 為\n\n11\n00:03:26,289 --> 00:03:47,324\n因 為 雞 蛋 現 在 的 需 求 比 較 少 一 點 , 所 以 相 對 來 講 , 我 是 希 望 消 費 地 、 消 費 地 零 售 的 這 些 雞 蛋 的 價 格 . . . 你 這 樣 突 然 一 講 , 你 會 造 成 蛋 農 的 恐 慌 耶 沒 有 , 是 消 費 地 本 身 , 因 為 它 的 雞 蛋 的 產 地 價 格 已 經 比 最 高 的 已 經 降 到 1 0 塊 , 但 是 並 沒 有 反 映 到 消 費 端\n\n12\n00:03:48,524 --> 00:03:54,748\n是 , 所 以 呢 , 請 部 長 講 清 楚 , 今 天 就 是 本 席 給 你 機 會 講 清 楚 , 否 則 你 會 造 成 這 些 蛋 農 的 恐 慌 。 那 另 外 呢 , 呃 , 就 是 , 趕 快 趕 快 去 澄 清 喔 。\n\n13\n00:04:05,915 --> 00:04:25,004\n農 業 部 編 有 《 友 善 環 境 植 物 保 護 資 材 補 助 計 畫 》 透 過 補 助 來 鼓 勵 農 民 使 用 生 物 農 藥 但 是 跟 去 年 一 樣 大 概 在 今 年 年 中 左 右 經 費 就 會 用 完 了 那 去 年 這 個 計 畫 其 實 7 、 8 月 的 時 候 有 再 增 列 經 費 讓 農 民 申 請 請 問 部 長 這 個 計 畫 今 年 是 不 是 能 夠 再 增 列 經 費 呢 ?\n\n14\n00:04:30,166 --> 00:04:49,761\n我 想 第 一 個 就 是 生 物 農 藥 跟 生 物 肥 料 本 身 是 我 們 一 直 要 推 的 友 善 環 境 的 一 個 重 要 制 裁 。 那 我 們 年 度 編 列 的 預 算 大 概 是 6 1 0 0 多 萬 左 右 。 那 我 們 會 根 據 就 是 下 半 年 我 們 會 根 據 實 際 的 需 求 , 如 果 說 它 有 必 要 去 增 加 的 時 候 。\n\n15\n00:04:50,401 --> 00:05:14,697\n本 席 現 在 已 經 接 受 到 非 常 多 的 農 民 說 他 們 想 要 申 請 可 是 計 劃 的 經 費 已 經 用 完 了 那 現 在 怎 麼 辦 呢 ? 下 半 年 的 經 費 怎 麼 辦 呢 ? 我 跟 委 員 說 明 就 是 我 們 沿 路 的 預 算 我 們 到 某 個 時 間 點 如 果 已 經 快 要 結 束 的 話 就 會 先 暫 停 因 為 我 們 沒 有 辦 法 一 直 花 然 後 還 沒 有 經 費 來 源 就 先 花 超 過 了 那 本 席 在 這 裡 建 議 部 長\n\n16\n00:05:16,698 --> 00:05:34,316\n明 年 度 這 個 經 費 一 定 要 提 高 這 個 經 費 可 見 就 是 不 夠 嘛 所 以 另 外 呢 部 長 我 還 想 要 請 問 你 公 糧 收 購 的 價 格 公 糧 收 購 您 在 5 2 0 之 前 說 5 2 0 之 後 會 定 案 請 問 您 最 後 的 決 定 如 何 可 不 可 以 在 這 裡 做 下 一 個 記 錄\n\n17\n00:05:35,337 --> 00:05:50,407\n我 想 到 目 前 為 止 我 們 正 在 做 更 完 整 的 一 個 配 套 的 一 個 措 施 我 想 我 們 委 員 跟 我 們 農 業 部 其 實 目 標 是 一 致 的 就 是 希 望 我 們 的 稻 農 希 望 我 們 農 民 所 得 能 夠 提 高 能 夠 確 保\n\n18\n00:05:51,468 --> 00:05:52,528\n您 說 要 提 供 公 糧 收 購 價 格 是 提 供 這 個 農 民 收 入 的 一 個 辦 法 但 不 是 最 好 的 辦 法\n\n19\n00:06:09,474 --> 00:06:21,208\n你 要 鼓 勵 農 民 去 做 氣 做 生 產 去 做 品 牌 去 經 營 市 場 我 不 是 不 理 解 不 是 不 了 解 你 的 看 法 但 是 我 有 一 個 感 覺 你 知 道 臺 語 有 一 句 話 叫 做 就 是 說 拿 公 糧 收 購 來\n\n20\n00:06:26,154 --> 00:06:32,037\n形 容 這 個 部 長 的 看 法 我 想 就 是 你 鼓 勵 去 企 作 嘗 試 去 做 品 牌 經 營 市 場 這 個 都 是 利 益 良 好 的 事 情 但 你 有 沒 有 想 到 說 有 更 多 的 農 民 尤 其 是 傳 統 慣 性 農 業 的 農 民 他 們 只 仰 賴 保 駕 收 購 當 作 是 一 個 底 線 本 席 今 天 就 是 在 替 這 些 最 弱 勢 沒 有 能 力 去 經 營 品 牌\n\n21\n00:06:51,109 --> 00:06:51,129\n部 長 ：\n\n22\n00:07:11,921 --> 00:07:20,303\n我 想 我 能 夠 充 分 的 瞭 解 委 員 所 提 到 的 照 顧 這 些 大 概 1 0 % 全 部 繳 公 糧 的 這 些 稻 農 但 是 相 對 的 當 我 們 去 看 這 個 產 業 的 時 候 我 們 要 看 整 體 的 產 業 的 進 步 性 是 當 然 了 但 是 公 糧 收 購 價 格 跟 契 作 價 格 是 聯 動 的 公 糧 收 購 價 格 提 高 契 作 價 格 也 會 提 高 鼓 勵 農 民 契 作 跟 提 高 公 糧 收 購 價 格 其 實 是 沒 有 衝 突 的 除 非 你 的 立 場 是 要 保 護 糧 商\n\n23\n00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:42,707\n現 在 保 護 糧 商 不 要 花 更 多 的 錢 去 買 這 才 是 問 題 所 在 嗎 ? 假 設 這 個 期 做 的 價 格 是 高 的\n\n24\n00:08:00,652 --> 00:08:21,946\n就 算 公 糧 收 購 價 格 提 高 了 也 不 影 響 企 作 所 以 看 待 一 件 事 情 其 實 是 有 很 多 面 向 的 一 個 政 策 當 然 會 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這個經費可見就是不夠嘛所以另外呢部長我還想要請問你公糧收購的價格公糧收購您在520之前說520之後會定案請問您最後的決定如何可不可以在這裡做下一個記錄\n我想到目前為止我們正在做更完整的一個配套的一個措施我想我們委員跟我們農業部其實目標是一致的就是希望我們的稻農希望我們農民所得能夠提高能夠確保\n您說要提供公糧收購價格是提供這個農民收入的一個辦法但不是最好的辦法\n你要鼓勵農民去做氣做生產去做品牌去經營市場我不是不理解不是不了解你的看法但是我有一個感覺你知道臺語有一句話叫做就是說拿公糧收購來\n形容這個部長的看法我想就是你鼓勵去企作嘗試去做品牌經營市場這個都是利益良好的事情但你有沒有想到說有更多的農民尤其是傳統慣性農業的農民他們只仰賴保駕收購當作是一個底線本席今天就是在替這些最弱勢沒有能力去經營品牌\n部長：\n我想我能夠充分的瞭解委員所提到的照顧這些大概10%全部繳公糧的這些稻農但是相對的當我們去看這個產業的時候我們要看整體的產業的進步性是當然了但是公糧收購價格跟契作價格是聯動的公糧收購價格提高契作價格也會提高鼓勵農民契作跟提高公糧收購價格其實是沒有衝突的除非你的立場是要保護糧商\n現在保護糧商不要花更多的錢去買這才是問題所在嗎?假設這個期做的價格是高的\n就算公糧收購價格提高了也不影響企作所以看待一件事情其實是有很多面向的一個政策當然會有利有弊人家說在人在公門好修行部長看向企作品牌稻米產業時請你也要同時兼顧最底層最基層的這些稻農的生計\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.012 --> 00:01.594\n張 嘉 郡 委 員 請 作 詢 答\n\n00:08.593 --> 00:31.120\n主 席 我 想 請 陳 部 長 我 們 再 請 陳 部 長 我 們 中 間 中 場 不 休 息 所 以 請 一 位 人 士 如 果 要 生 理 管 理 的 請 自 行 處 理 部 長 昨 天 本 院 三 讀 通 過 國 會 改 革 法 案 那 這 其 中 有 一 件 事 情 跟 農 業 部 是 息 息 相 關 部 長 您 知 道 是 哪 一 件 事 情 嗎\n\n00:32.628 --> 00:36.511\n主 要 是 這 個 雞 蛋 的 問 題 就 是 說 2 0 2 2 年 農 委 會 由 續 產 會 自 巴 西 、 日 本 進 口 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個\n\n02:36.067 --> 02:37.008\n所 以 可 以 再 一 次 提 供 給 本 委 員 會 嗎 ? 是 不 是 ? 請 部 長 。\n\n02:53.018 --> 02:56.019\n另 外 本 席 也 想 再 請 問 一 下 部 長 就 是 說 部 長 今 天 早 上 說 蛋 價 要 下 降 要 下 調 這 一 點 可 以 請 部 長 解 釋 一 下 為 什 麼 嗎 我 沒 有 說 蛋 價 要 下 調\n\n03:10.492 --> 03:25.468\n有 啊 ! 報 紙 都 出 來 了 啊 ! 報 紙 全 部 都 出 來 了 說 部 長 建 議 要 調 降 蛋 價 不 是 , 我 說 現 在 的 雞 蛋 的 產 地 價 格 已 經 比 去 年 的 最 高 點 已 經 降 了 大 概 1 0 塊 那 相 對 的 因 為\n\n03:26.289 --> 03:47.324\n因 為 雞 蛋 現 在 的 需 求 比 較 少 一 點 , 所 以 相 對 來 講 , 我 是 希 望 消 費 地 、 消 費 地 零 售 的 這 些 雞 蛋 的 價 格 . . . 你 這 樣 突 然 一 講 , 你 會 造 成 蛋 農 的 恐 慌 耶 沒 有 , 是 消 費 地 本 身 , 因 為 它 的 雞 蛋 的 產 地 價 格 已 經 比 最 高 的 已 經 降 到 1 0 塊 , 但 是 並 沒 有 反 映 到 消 費 端\n\n03:48.524 --> 03:54.748\n是 , 所 以 呢 , 請 部 長 講 清 楚 , 今 天 就 是 本 席 給 你 機 會 講 清 楚 , 否 則 你 會 造 成 這 些 蛋 農 的 恐 慌 。 那 另 外 呢 , 呃 , 就 是 , 趕 快 趕 快 去 澄 清 喔 。\n\n04:05.915 --> 04:25.004\n農 業 部 編 有 《 友 善 環 境 植 物 保 護 資 材 補 助 計 畫 》 透 過 補 助 來 鼓 勵 農 民 使 用 生 物 農 藥 但 是 跟 去 年 一 樣 大 概 在 今 年 年 中 左 右 經 費 就 會 用 完 了 那 去 年 這 個 計 畫 其 實 7 、 8 月 的 時 候 有 再 增 列 經 費 讓 農 民 申 請 請 問 部 長 這 個 計 畫 今 年 是 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--> 06:21.208\n你 要 鼓 勵 農 民 去 做 氣 做 生 產 去 做 品 牌 去 經 營 市 場 我 不 是 不 理 解 不 是 不 了 解 你 的 看 法 但 是 我 有 一 個 感 覺 你 知 道 臺 語 有 一 句 話 叫 做 就 是 說 拿 公 糧 收 購 來\n\n06:26.154 --> 06:32.037\n形 容 這 個 部 長 的 看 法 我 想 就 是 你 鼓 勵 去 企 作 嘗 試 去 做 品 牌 經 營 市 場 這 個 都 是 利 益 良 好 的 事 情 但 你 有 沒 有 想 到 說 有 更 多 的 農 民 尤 其 是 傳 統 慣 性 農 業 的 農 民 他 們 只 仰 賴 保 駕 收 購 當 作 是 一 個 底 線 本 席 今 天 就 是 在 替 這 些 最 弱 勢 沒 有 能 力 去 經 營 品 牌\n\n06:51.109 --> 06:51.129\n部 長 ：\n\n07:11.921 --> 07:20.303\n我 想 我 能 夠 充 分 的 瞭 解 委 員 所 提 到 的 照 顧 這 些 大 概 1 0 % 全 部 繳 公 糧 的 這 些 稻 農 但 是 相 對 的 當 我 們 去 看 這 個 產 業 的 時 候 我 們 要 看 整 體 的 產 業 的 進 步 性 是 當 然 了 但 是 公 糧 收 購 價 格 跟 契 作 價 格 是 聯 動 的 公 糧 收 購 價 格 提 高 契 作 價 格 也 會 提 高 鼓 勵 農 民 契 作 跟 提 高 公 糧 收 購 價 格 其 實 是 沒 有 衝 突 的 除 非 你 的 立 場 是 要 保 護 糧 商\n\n07:41.627 --> 07:42.707\n現 在 保 護 糧 商 不 要 花 更 多 的 錢 去 買 這 才 是 問 題 所 在 嗎 ? 假 設 這 個 期 做 的 價 格 是 高 的\n\n08:00.652 --> 08:21.946\n就 算 公 糧 收 購 價 格 提 高 了 也 不 影 響 企 作 所 以 看 待 一 件 事 情 其 實 是 有 很 多 面 向 的 一 個 政 策 當 然 會 有 利 有 弊 人 家 說 在 人 在 公 門 好 修 行 部 長 看 向 企 作 品 牌 稻 米 產 業 時 請 你 也 要 同 時 兼 顧 最 底 層 最 基 層 的 這 些 稻 農 的 生 計\n\n08:22.566 --> 08:22.586\n好 , 謝 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這個經費可見就是不夠嘛所以另外呢部長我還想要請問你公糧收購的價格公糧收購您在520之前說520之後會定案請問您最後的決定如何可不可以在這裡做下一個記錄"},{"start":335.337,"end":350.407,"text":"我想到目前為止我們正在做更完整的一個配套的一個措施我想我們委員跟我們農業部其實目標是一致的就是希望我們的稻農希望我們農民所得能夠提高能夠確保"},{"start":351.468,"end":352.528,"text":"您說要提供公糧收購價格是提供這個農民收入的一個辦法但不是最好的辦法"},{"start":369.474,"end":381.208,"text":"你要鼓勵農民去做氣做生產去做品牌去經營市場我不是不理解不是不了解你的看法但是我有一個感覺你知道臺語有一句話叫做就是說拿公糧收購來"},{"start":386.154,"end":392.037,"text":"形容這個部長的看法我想就是你鼓勵去企作嘗試去做品牌經營市場這個都是利益良好的事情但你有沒有想到說有更多的農民尤其是傳統慣性農業的農民他們只仰賴保駕收購當作是一個底線本席今天就是在替這些最弱勢沒有能力去經營品牌"},{"start":411.109,"end":411.129,"text":"部長："},{"start":431.921,"end":440.303,"text":"我想我能夠充分的瞭解委員所提到的照顧這些大概10%全部繳公糧的這些稻農但是相對的當我們去看這個產業的時候我們要看整體的產業的進步性是當然了但是公糧收購價格跟契作價格是聯動的公糧收購價格提高契作價格也會提高鼓勵農民契作跟提高公糧收購價格其實是沒有衝突的除非你的立場是要保護糧商"},{"start":461.627,"end":462.707,"text":"現在保護糧商不要花更多的錢去買這才是問題所在嗎?假設這個期做的價格是高的"},{"start":480.652,"end":501.946,"text":"就算公糧收購價格提高了也不影響企作所以看待一件事情其實是有很多面向的一個政策當然會有利有弊人家說在人在公門好修行部長看向企作品牌稻米產業時請你也要同時兼顧最底層最基層的這些稻農的生計"},{"start":502.566,"end":502.586,"text":"好,謝謝"}]}}}}