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9 7 0 萬 還 有 我 們 各 漁 港 的 清 漁 費 用 2 9 0 0 多 萬 將 近 7 0 0 0 萬 到 現 在 都 還 沒 下 來 還 有 我 到 下 鄉 的 時 候 每 一 個 人 問 我 到 底 有 沒 有 我 說 5 2 0 以 後 就 有 啦\n\n9\n00:03:12,247 --> 00:03:14,868\n阿 你 這 個 會 員 趕 緊 給 我 完 成 嗎 ?\n\n10\n00:03:14,868 --> 00:03:34,818\n我 要 跟 委 員 報 告 , 你 剛 才 說 的 這 些 農 業 館 的 整 體 規 劃 跟 他 的 一 個 , 報 道 的 六 百 七 十 三 萬 他 們 結 案 報 告 都 結 案 了 , 都 提 出 來 , 所 以 我 們 有 補 助 , 不 是 沒 有 然 後 第 二 個 部 分 , 針 對 這 個 整 體 規 劃 其 實 我 們 基 本 上 是 同 意 的 , 那 在 同 意 的 過 程 中\n\n11\n00:03:35,618 --> 00:03:40,663\n他 有 分 期 分 階 段 嗎 ? 不 是 , 我 先 講 社 區 費 用 。 社 區 費 用 有 嗎 ? 老 闆 這 三 萬 已 經 提 供 了 。 多 少 ?\n\n12\n00:03:44,827 --> 00:03:55,470\n應 該 是 6 7 3 萬 嘛 。 6 7 3 萬 啊 。 九 百 多 萬 嘛 。 6 7 3 萬 。 你 怎 麼 給 我 減 三 分 之 一 。 我 不 知 道 要 怎 麼 完 成 。 我 們 來 對 一 下 。 對 一 下 。 總 經 費 可 能 是 高 爆 幾 萬 , 但 是 農 業 部 不 是 全 額 補 , 因 為 地 方 政 府 。 大 家 分 攤 一 下 嘛 。 分 攤 苗 栗 比 較 重 , 這 樣 分 攤 三 分 之 一 也 受 不 了 啦 。\n\n13\n00:04:10,755 --> 00:04:14,476\n我 們 現 在 等 待 縣 委 的 計 畫 啦 那 縣 委 計 畫 裡 面 有 很 多 項 嘛 還 有 一 個 能 力 物 流\n\n14\n00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:47,408\n主 委 在 推 動 的 時 候 苗 栗 沒 有 生 存 到 那 我 覺 得 這 個 很 重 要 那 我 們 中 東 景 縣 長 為 了 推 動 我 們 苗 栗 的 能 量 物 流 大 概 要 花 1 億 的 經 費 去 買 土 地 買 土 地 的 時 候 您 這 個 能 量 物 流 拜 託 拜 託 給 我 們 完 成 一 下 好 不 好\n\n15\n00:04:48,070 --> 00:05:00,401\n我 跟 委 員 報 告 就 是 第 一 期 的 兩 年 計 畫 在 今 年 度 結 束 嘛 那 今 年 度 的 預 算 大 概 因 為 很 多 兩 年 都 是 分 年 編 列 的 那 我 們 今 年 我 們 也 提 報 了 從 1 1 4 到 1 1 7 年 我 們 提 了 第 二 期 的 兩 年 計 畫\n\n16\n00:05:07,648 --> 00:05:25,380\n我 覺 得 應 該 會 過 啦 所 以 相 對 的 就 是 我 們 其 實 在 今 年 度 在 去 年 度 其 實 我 們 也 接 到 地 方 不 同 的 聲 音 嘛 就 是 有 一 些 期 待 我 們 也 做 了 一 些 評 估 所 以 我 們 會 收 集 這 些 相 關 的 資 訊 以 後 請 整 合 的\n\n17\n00:05:29,793 --> 00:05:50,097\n那 你 再 來 進 上 的 新 聞 那 這 邊 有 一 篇 中 國 時 報 的 報 導 說 你 身 段 柔 軟 務 實 理 性 你 自 有 心 中 一 把 棋 你 不 是 股 市 的 部 長 你 微 笑 我 們 兩 個 個 性 差 不 多 一 樣 都 這 樣\n\n18\n00:05:53,105 --> 00:06:13,355\n在 這 裡 面 我 把 它 看 了 你 的 報 告 也 寫 了 務 實 你 有 外 部 挑 戰 、 內 部 挑 戰 我 把 它 仔 細 看 了 一 下 確 切 實 實 的 問 題 在 這 個 地 方 但 是 我 現 在 跟 你 講 臺 灣 的 農 業 問 題 會 面 臨 到 非 常 重 大 問 題 就 是 外 來 的 農 產 品 進 來\n\n19\n00:06:15,276 --> 00:06:32,677\n因 為 我 們 以 前 是 開 發 中 的 國 家 我 們 為 了 經 濟 雙 邊 貿 易 、 多 邊 貿 易 、 C P T P P 我 們 自 己 宣 稱 我 們 已 開 發 的 國 家 那 未 來 的 規 格 就 會 像 歐 美 、 美 國 、 日 本 、 新 加 坡 、 澳\n\n20\n00:06:33,738 --> 00:06:59,042\n做 紐 西 蘭 一 樣 , 農 產 品 的 進 口 裡 面 會 大 量 的 增 加 好 好 的 營 養 只 會 我 們 不 加 制 那 些 團 體 我 們 為 了 加 制 大 概 農 業 產 品 都 是 最 低 的 程 度 沒 有 保 護 到 沒 有 辦 法 保 護 到 臺 灣 的 農 業 所 以 你 要 先 有 營 養 這 我 第 一 點 要 提 出 來 時 間 有 限\n\n21\n00:07:00,899 --> 00:07:11,869\n那 第 二 點 剛 剛 談 到 姑 娘 的 收 購 你 這 個 人 老 實 我 喜 歡 但 是 姑 娘 的 收 購 正 如 我 們 召 委 剛 剛 幾 個 委 員 在 談\n\n22\n00:07:15,421 --> 00:07:40,872\n百 物 上 漲 通 貨 膨 脹 你 農 民 不 給 氣 了 你 說 你 反 對 我 覺 得 這 個 你 要 考 慮 你 部 長 要 做 的 就 好 好 考 慮 這 樣 我 有 看 到 你 幾 篇 的 報 導 我 特 別 把 它 讀 過 但 是 有 些 是 政 治 性 的 問 題 農 業 也 是 政 治 性 的 問 題 你 官 員 要 就 好 好 思 考 這 個 問 題 那 你 如 果 覺 得 農\n\n23\n00:07:42,478 --> 00:08:02,932\n那 個 工 糧 收 購 架 構 提 到 大 家 會 去 種 , 你 雜 糧 就 補 製 多 一 點 嘛 , 平 衡 一 下 卡 布 瓦 能 解 決 , 一 定 要 好 好 的 思 考 這 個 問 題 , 不 要 太 固 執 喔 , 不 然 你 工 會 做 不 久 , 我 跟 你 講 農 民 都 反 對 你 , 你 院 長 總 統 也 受 不 了 好 不 好\n\n24\n00:08:04,012 --> 00:08:20,861\n謝 謝 委 員 提 醒 , 我 想 我 們 會 非 常 務 實 的 去 研 擬 那 個 方 案 好 不 好 , 好 好 的 務 實 , 不 要 得 罪 農 民 像 我 們 到 那 個 地 方 我 們 都 跟 農 民 低 頭 了 他 們 講 什 麼 我 們 都 要 全 力 解 決 都 是 講 好 的 還 有 一 點\n\n25\n00:08:22,333 --> 00:08:50,947\n農 村 再 生 條 例 有 一 些 不 同 黨 派 議 員 說 什 麼 這 個 立 法 院 輕 視 到 公 權 力 但 是 保 證 我 告 訴 你 我 們 有 人 都 是 精 益 其 外 敗 事 其 中 公 路 局 我 們 的 公 路 我 們 市 區 道 路 做 得 非 常 好 但 是 我 們 農 路 真 的 破 破 爛 爛 在 開 車 在 跑 農 路 的 時 候 要 打 手 機 的 支 持 區 我 都 會 躲\n\n26\n00:08:52,082 --> 00:09:12,168\n所 謂 來 說 你 永 遠 一 個 觀 念 全 部 要 怕 都 市 做 得 太 多 了 農 村 要 照 顧 所 以 農 村 再 生 條 例 你 永 遠 記 得 交 通 部 有 生 活 圈 系 統 它 是 都 市 區 外 的 列 政 部 有 國 土 管 理 室\n\n27\n00:09:12,728 --> 00:09:32,947\n他 是 都 市 計 畫 面 現 在 你 們 水 土 保 持 那 個 農 村 發 展 跟 水 土 等 於 研 究 部 跟 交 通 部 一 樣 啊 錢 都 不 要 煩 惱 要 全 力 爭 取 不 要 怕 啦 我 跟 你 講 真 的 農 村 一 定 要 好 好 的 改 善 啦 好 不 好 會 我 們 會 努 力 啦\n\n28\n00:09:35,211 --> 00:09:47,246\n講 的 到 這 個 時 候 有 很 多 問 題 要 請 教 你 看 你 的 報 告 仔 細 讀 你 的 業 務 報 告 之 類 我 們 農 業 未 來 面 臨 很 多 的 挑 戰 務 實 去 解 決\n\n29\n00:09:49,659 --> 00:09:49,799\n好 , 謝 謝 委 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全部要怕都市做得太多了 農村要照顧 所以農村再生條例你永遠記得交通部有生活圈系統 它是都市區外的 列政部有國土管理室\n552728\t572947\t他是都市計畫面現在你們水土保持那個農村發展跟水土等於研究部跟交通部一樣啊錢都不要煩惱要全力爭取不要怕啦我跟你講真的農村一定要好好的改善啦好不好會我們會努力啦\n575211\t587246\t講的到這個時候有很多問題要請教你看你的報告仔細讀你的業務報告之類我們農業未來面臨很多的挑戰務實去解決\n589659\t589799\t好,謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席,首先邀請陳部長\n部長阿札,首先跟你恭喜、尊賜,現在做部長,其實你代理部長期間也表現得不錯,很務實、很實際地在處理所有的農業問題。\n那今天我執行以前剛剛信用委員有談到光電合作的問題那我本來是很反對光電在農地上做光電但是我看到蓋的矮矮的話把警官都破壞掉那我也很好奇\n朋友就邀我投資了一些我就去投資了一些他這個蓋得高高阿裡面是種植食材而且種植得非常成功五分地的土地可以種到9到12萬公斤這樣五分地一年成利潤是90萬而且他跟在地的農會農會配額\n笑到由農會轉出去了那我想從反對農地種觀點但是真的把農業我們的農業種出來的時候我覺得要鼓勵那你有興趣的時候我帶你們去參觀一下種得非常成功所謂台灣的農業科技也是真的有一套\n所以這一點如果能再大力的推展的話我相信對付極端氣候還有那個菜的穩定阿會幫忙非常大阿你看法怎麼樣我想我們現在的光電本身在農地上面就是在溫室齁溫室附屬這些光電其實它的成功率非常高而且它的收益也會更好\n我覺得要這樣子來推展才有效要蓋著低低的啦那總都是只有想要用電來賺錢啦他這個電可以賺那個融資和物也可以賺到錢這才是互盟其利好不好這一點我帶你去參觀一下要大力的推展那你在代理部長期間也答應了我很多的事情\n那裡面有農戶漁港、漁獲直銷中心改建的設計費970萬還有我們各漁港的清漁費用2900多萬將近7000萬到現在都還沒下來還有我到下鄉的時候每一個人問我到底有沒有我說520以後就有啦\n阿你這個會員趕緊給我完成嗎?\n我要跟委員報告,你剛才說的這些農業館的整體規劃跟他的一個,報道的六百七十三萬他們結案報告都結案了,都提出來,所以我們有補助,不是沒有然後第二個部分,針對這個整體規劃其實我們基本上是同意的,那在同意的過程中\n他有分期分階段嗎?不是,我先講社區費用。社區費用有嗎?老闆這三萬已經提供了。多少?\n應該是673萬嘛。673萬啊。九百多萬嘛。673萬。你怎麼給我減三分之一。我不知道要怎麼完成。我們來對一下。對一下。總經費可能是高爆幾萬,但是農業部不是全額補,因為地方政府。大家分攤一下嘛。分攤苗栗比較重,這樣分攤三分之一也受不了啦。\n我們現在等待縣委的計畫啦那縣委計畫裡面有很多項嘛還有一個能力物流\n主委在推動的時候苗栗沒有生存到那我覺得這個很重要那我們中東景縣長為了推動我們苗栗的能量物流大概要花1億的經費去買土地買土地的時候您這個能量物流拜託拜託給我們完成一下好不好\n我跟委員報告就是第一期的兩年計畫在今年度結束嘛那今年度的預算大概因為很多兩年都是分年編列的那我們今年我們也提報了從114到117年我們提了第二期的兩年計畫\n我覺得應該會過啦所以相對的就是我們其實在今年度在去年度其實我們也接到地方不同的聲音嘛就是有一些期待我們也做了一些評估所以我們會收集這些相關的資訊以後請整合的\n那你再來進上的新聞那這邊有一篇中國時報的報導說你身段柔軟務實理性你自有心中一把棋你不是股市的部長你微笑我們兩個個性差不多一樣都這樣\n在這裡面我把它看了你的報告也寫了務實你有外部挑戰、內部挑戰我把它仔細看了一下確切實實的問題在這個地方但是我現在跟你講臺灣的農業問題會面臨到非常重大問題就是外來的農產品進來\n因為我們以前是開發中的國家我們為了經濟雙邊貿易、多邊貿易、CPTPP我們自己宣稱我們已開發的國家那未來的規格就會像歐美、美國、日本、新加坡、澳\n做紐西蘭一樣,農產品的進口裡面會大量的增加好好的營養只會我們不加制那些團體我們為了加制大概農業產品都是最低的程度沒有保護到沒有辦法保護到臺灣的農業所以你要先有營養這我第一點要提出來時間有限\n那第二點剛剛談到姑娘的收購你這個人老實我喜歡但是姑娘的收購正如我們召委剛剛幾個委員在談\n百物上漲通貨膨脹你農民不給氣了你說你反對我覺得這個你要考慮你部長要做的就好好考慮這樣我有看到你幾篇的報導我特別把它讀過但是有些是政治性的問題農業也是政治性的問題你官員要就好好思考這個問題那你如果覺得農\n那個工糧收購架構提到大家會去種,你雜糧就補製多一點嘛,平衡一下卡布瓦能解決,一定要好好的思考這個問題,不要太固執喔,不然你工會做不久,我跟你講農民都反對你,你院長總統也受不了好不好\n謝謝委員提醒,我想我們會非常務實的去研擬那個方案好不好,好好的務實,不要得罪農民像我們到那個地方我們都跟農民低頭了他們講什麼我們都要全力解決都是講好的還有一點\n農村再生條例有一些不同黨派議員說什麼這個立法院輕視到公權力但是保證我告訴你我們有人都是精益其外敗事其中公路局我們的公路我們市區道路做得非常好但是我們農路真的破破爛爛在開車在跑農路的時候要打手機的支持區我都會躲\n所謂來說你永遠一個觀念 全部要怕都市做得太多了 農村要照顧 所以農村再生條例你永遠記得交通部有生活圈系統 它是都市區外的 列政部有國土管理室\n他是都市計畫面現在你們水土保持那個農村發展跟水土等於研究部跟交通部一樣啊錢都不要煩惱要全力爭取不要怕啦我跟你講真的農村一定要好好的改善啦好不好會我們會努力啦\n講的到這個時候有很多問題要請教你看你的報告仔細讀你的業務報告之類我們農業未來面臨很多的挑戰務實去解決\n好,謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.110\n主 席 , 首 先 邀 請 陳 部 長\n\n00:25.269 --> 00:37.816\n部 長 阿 札 , 首 先 跟 你 恭 喜 、 尊 賜 , 現 在 做 部 長 , 其 實 你 代 理 部 長 期 間 也 表 現 得 不 錯 , 很 務 實 、 很 實 際 地 在 處 理 所 有 的 農 業 問 題 。\n\n00:39.724 --> 00:59.279\n那 今 天 我 執 行 以 前 剛 剛 信 用 委 員 有 談 到 光 電 合 作 的 問 題 那 我 本 來 是 很 反 對 光 電 在 農 地 上 做 光 電 但 是 我 看 到 蓋 的 矮 矮 的 話 把 警 官 都 破 壞 掉 那 我 也 很 好 奇\n\n01:00.547 --> 01:24.260\n朋 友 就 邀 我 投 資 了 一 些 我 就 去 投 資 了 一 些 他 這 個 蓋 得 高 高 阿 裡 面 是 種 植 食 材 而 且 種 植 得 非 常 成 功 五 分 地 的 土 地 可 以 種 到 9 到 1 2 萬 公 斤 這 樣 五 分 地 一 年 成 利 潤 是 9 0 萬 而 且 他 跟 在 地 的 農 會 農 會 配 額\n\n01:27.293 --> 01:51.071\n笑 到 由 農 會 轉 出 去 了 那 我 想 從 反 對 農 地 種 觀 點 但 是 真 的 把 農 業 我 們 的 農 業 種 出 來 的 時 候 我 覺 得 要 鼓 勵 那 你 有 興 趣 的 時 候 我 帶 你 們 去 參 觀 一 下 種 得 非 常 成 功 所 謂 台 灣 的 農 業 科 技 也 是 真 的 有 一 套\n\n01:52.192 --> 02:16.833\n所 以 這 一 點 如 果 能 再 大 力 的 推 展 的 話 我 相 信 對 付 極 端 氣 候 還 有 那 個 菜 的 穩 定 阿 會 幫 忙 非 常 大 阿 你 看 法 怎 麼 樣 我 想 我 們 現 在 的 光 電 本 身 在 農 地 上 面 就 是 在 溫 室 齁 溫 室 附 屬 這 些 光 電 其 實 它 的 成 功 率 非 常 高 而 且 它 的 收 益 也 會 更 好\n\n02:17.421 --> 02:45.725\n我 覺 得 要 這 樣 子 來 推 展 才 有 效 要 蓋 著 低 低 的 啦 那 總 都 是 只 有 想 要 用 電 來 賺 錢 啦 他 這 個 電 可 以 賺 那 個 融 資 和 物 也 可 以 賺 到 錢 這 才 是 互 盟 其 利 好 不 好 這 一 點 我 帶 你 去 參 觀 一 下 要 大 力 的 推 展 那 你 在 代 理 部 長 期 間 也 答 應 了 我 很 多 的 事 情\n\n02:47.485 --> 03:09.739\n那 裡 面 有 農 戶 漁 港 、 漁 獲 直 銷 中 心 改 建 的 設 計 費 9 7 0 萬 還 有 我 們 各 漁 港 的 清 漁 費 用 2 9 0 0 多 萬 將 近 7 0 0 0 萬 到 現 在 都 還 沒 下 來 還 有 我 到 下 鄉 的 時 候 每 一 個 人 問 我 到 底 有 沒 有 我 說 5 2 0 以 後 就 有 啦\n\n03:12.247 --> 03:14.868\n阿 你 這 個 會 員 趕 緊 給 我 完 成 嗎 ?\n\n03:14.868 --> 03:34.818\n我 要 跟 委 員 報 告 , 你 剛 才 說 的 這 些 農 業 館 的 整 體 規 劃 跟 他 的 一 個 , 報 道 的 六 百 七 十 三 萬 他 們 結 案 報 告 都 結 案 了 , 都 提 出 來 , 所 以 我 們 有 補 助 , 不 是 沒 有 然 後 第 二 個 部 分 , 針 對 這 個 整 體 規 劃 其 實 我 們 基 本 上 是 同 意 的 , 那 在 同 意 的 過 程 中\n\n03:35.618 --> 03:40.663\n他 有 分 期 分 階 段 嗎 ? 不 是 , 我 先 講 社 區 費 用 。 社 區 費 用 有 嗎 ? 老 闆 這 三 萬 已 經 提 供 了 。 多 少 ?\n\n03:44.827 --> 03:55.470\n應 該 是 6 7 3 萬 嘛 。 6 7 3 萬 啊 。 九 百 多 萬 嘛 。 6 7 3 萬 。 你 怎 麼 給 我 減 三 分 之 一 。 我 不 知 道 要 怎 麼 完 成 。 我 們 來 對 一 下 。 對 一 下 。 總 經 費 可 能 是 高 爆 幾 萬 , 但 是 農 業 部 不 是 全 額 補 , 因 為 地 方 政 府 。 大 家 分 攤 一 下 嘛 。 分 攤 苗 栗 比 較 重 , 這 樣 分 攤 三 分 之 一 也 受 不 了 啦 。\n\n04:10.755 --> 04:14.476\n我 們 現 在 等 待 縣 委 的 計 畫 啦 那 縣 委 計 畫 裡 面 有 很 多 項 嘛 還 有 一 個 能 力 物 流\n\n04:27.240 --> 04:47.408\n主 委 在 推 動 的 時 候 苗 栗 沒 有 生 存 到 那 我 覺 得 這 個 很 重 要 那 我 們 中 東 景 縣 長 為 了 推 動 我 們 苗 栗 的 能 量 物 流 大 概 要 花 1 億 的 經 費 去 買 土 地 買 土 地 的 時 候 您 這 個 能 量 物 流 拜 託 拜 託 給 我 們 完 成 一 下 好 不 好\n\n04:48.070 --> 05:00.401\n我 跟 委 員 報 告 就 是 第 一 期 的 兩 年 計 畫 在 今 年 度 結 束 嘛 那 今 年 度 的 預 算 大 概 因 為 很 多 兩 年 都 是 分 年 編 列 的 那 我 們 今 年 我 們 也 提 報 了 從 1 1 4 到 1 1 7 年 我 們 提 了 第 二 期 的 兩 年 計 畫\n\n05:07.648 --> 05:25.380\n我 覺 得 應 該 會 過 啦 所 以 相 對 的 就 是 我 們 其 實 在 今 年 度 在 去 年 度 其 實 我 們 也 接 到 地 方 不 同 的 聲 音 嘛 就 是 有 一 些 期 待 我 們 也 做 了 一 些 評 估 所 以 我 們 會 收 集 這 些 相 關 的 資 訊 以 後 請 整 合 的\n\n05:29.793 --> 05:50.097\n那 你 再 來 進 上 的 新 聞 那 這 邊 有 一 篇 中 國 時 報 的 報 導 說 你 身 段 柔 軟 務 實 理 性 你 自 有 心 中 一 把 棋 你 不 是 股 市 的 部 長 你 微 笑 我 們 兩 個 個 性 差 不 多 一 樣 都 這 樣\n\n05:53.105 --> 06:13.355\n在 這 裡 面 我 把 它 看 了 你 的 報 告 也 寫 了 務 實 你 有 外 部 挑 戰 、 內 部 挑 戰 我 把 它 仔 細 看 了 一 下 確 切 實 實 的 問 題 在 這 個 地 方 但 是 我 現 在 跟 你 講 臺 灣 的 農 業 問 題 會 面 臨 到 非 常 重 大 問 題 就 是 外 來 的 農 產 品 進 來\n\n06:15.276 --> 06:32.677\n因 為 我 們 以 前 是 開 發 中 的 國 家 我 們 為 了 經 濟 雙 邊 貿 易 、 多 邊 貿 易 、 C P T P P 我 們 自 己 宣 稱 我 們 已 開 發 的 國 家 那 未 來 的 規 格 就 會 像 歐 美 、 美 國 、 日 本 、 新 加 坡 、 澳\n\n06:33.738 --> 06:59.042\n做 紐 西 蘭 一 樣 , 農 產 品 的 進 口 裡 面 會 大 量 的 增 加 好 好 的 營 養 只 會 我 們 不 加 制 那 些 團 體 我 們 為 了 加 制 大 概 農 業 產 品 都 是 最 低 的 程 度 沒 有 保 護 到 沒 有 辦 法 保 護 到 臺 灣 的 農 業 所 以 你 要 先 有 營 養 這 我 第 一 點 要 提 出 來 時 間 有 限\n\n07:00.899 --> 07:11.869\n那 第 二 點 剛 剛 談 到 姑 娘 的 收 購 你 這 個 人 老 實 我 喜 歡 但 是 姑 娘 的 收 購 正 如 我 們 召 委 剛 剛 幾 個 委 員 在 談\n\n07:15.421 --> 07:40.872\n百 物 上 漲 通 貨 膨 脹 你 農 民 不 給 氣 了 你 說 你 反 對 我 覺 得 這 個 你 要 考 慮 你 部 長 要 做 的 就 好 好 考 慮 這 樣 我 有 看 到 你 幾 篇 的 報 導 我 特 別 把 它 讀 過 但 是 有 些 是 政 治 性 的 問 題 農 業 也 是 政 治 性 的 問 題 你 官 員 要 就 好 好 思 考 這 個 問 題 那 你 如 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