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的 那 個 部 分 我 想 說 我 這 邊 也 要 提 出 一 些 想 法\n\n3\n00:00:41,246 --> 00:00:57,741\n其 實 在 上 一 屆 的 時 候 李 桂 民 委 員 就 曾 經 問 過 法 務 部 長 蔡 清 當 時 的 部 長 蔡 清 想 就 是 有 關 這 種 社 會 的 大 型 運 動 或 者 是 政 治 活 動 會 不 會 遭 到 監 控 那 當 時 的 蔡 部 長 非 常 的 明 確 告 訴 我 們 說 不 會\n\n4\n00:00:58,462 --> 00:00:59,563\n當 時 的 部 長 說 得 非 常 清 楚\n\n5\n00:01:14,714 --> 00:01:31,101\n所 以 說 我 們 也 是 信 任 部 長 說 的 那 部 長 也 說 這 個 手 機 招 監 控 因 為 是 涉 及 一 定 是 涉 及 犯 罪 嫌 疑 負 責 的 懲 辦 的 檢 察 官 認 為 有 辦 案 的 需 求 才 會 加 以 鎖 定 如 果 沒 有 涉 及 到 犯 罪\n\n6\n00:01:31,781 --> 00:01:58,539\n我 手 機 就 不 會 被 定 位 結 果 這 個 剛 剛 兩 位 立 委 跟 部 長 就 請 教 的 王 逸 川 這 個 人 在 節 目 上 面 表 示 說 總 統 選 舉 造 勢 到 近 期 兩 次 的 集 會 遊 行 都 證 明 有 人 就 是 給 民 進 黨 中 央 有 關 手 機 使 用 者 的 資 訊 那 這 個 是 王 逸 川 在 公 開 的 節 目 中 所 說 的\n\n7\n00:02:02,901 --> 00:02:09,130\n蔡 前 部 長 說 謊 還 是 有 哪 一 個 單 位 在 進 行 這 樣 的 資 料 跟 收 集 跟 分 析 ?\n\n8\n00:02:15,971 --> 00:02:32,474\n這 個 我 並 不 清 楚 他 那 個 是 有 什 麼 單 位 做 資 料 的 數 據 的 分 析 但 是 我 也 尊 重 蔡 部 長 的 一 個 講 法 好 謝 謝 部 長 那 這 樣 等 於 是 沒 有 回 答 那 我 再 請 教 一 下\n\n9\n00:02:34,332 --> 00:02:58,900\n對 於 手 機 定 位 這 個 東 西 我 在 這 邊 就 直 接 我 們 來 談 一 下 手 機 定 位 這 個 個 資 法 上 面 的 概 念 我 想 法 務 部 在 政 府 以 資 訊 國 安 為 由 採 用 電 子 監 控 系 統 並 追 蹤 手 機 是 否 侵 犯 自 由 人 權 與 侵 害 隱 私 應 如 何 確 立 合 理 明 確 的 法 律 界 限 的 專 題 報 告\n\n10\n00:03:00,563 --> 00:03:09,786\n中 法 務 部 說 參 酌 國 發 會 在 1 0 7 年 1 1 月 7 日 發 法 制 第 1 0 7 - 2 0 0 - 2 0 3 9 號 函 以 及 同 年 月 2 1 日 發 法 制 第 1 0 7 - 2 0 0 - 2 1 3 6 號 函\n\n11\n00:03:18,669 --> 00:03:41,323\n的 解 釋 : 「 似 乎 手 機 號 碼 及 定 位 資 訊 是 屬 於 個 人 資 料 而 有 個 人 資 料 保 護 法 的 使 用 。 」 這 是 當 初 法 務 部 在 專 題 報 告 中 所 說 的 再 來 在 大 數 據 運 用 及 隱 私 保 護 、 手 機 定 位 資 料 與 防 疫 應 用 之 法 律 問 題 延 期\n\n12\n00:03:42,968 --> 00:03:57,119\n由 先 前 的 行 政 院 資 通 安 全 處 處 長 兼 宏 偉 他 所 撰 寫 的 文 章 也 曾 經 下 過 一 個 結 論 就 是 手 機 定 位 資 訊 是 個 人 的 資 料 保 護 保 護 法 第 二 條 第 一 款 規 定 的 個 人 資 料\n\n13\n00:03:58,263 --> 00:04:14,057\n所 以 我 想 請 教 部 長 一 個 問 題 手 機 定 位 是 不 是 屬 於 各 執 法 的 保 護 範 圍 內 手 機 定 位 這 個 是 個 人 資 料 的 確 是 各 執 法 的 一 個 問 題 好 謝 謝 我 想 說 這 跟 之 前 法 務 部 的 說 法\n\n14\n00:04:15,179 --> 00:04:16,481\n王 一 川 使 用 的 資 料 是 哪 裡 來 的\n\n15\n00:04:30,539 --> 00:04:52,995\n這 是 我 覺 得 很 奇 怪 的 一 個 點 啦 既 然 定 位 資 料 是 屬 於 各 自 保 障 的 範 圍 那 這 個 資 料 到 底 是 哪 裡 來 的 當 然 這 段 時 間 有 人 扯 說 新 北 市 府 在 辦 歡 樂 夜 爛 城 曾 經 做 了 什 麼 那 個 是 人 流 的 管 制 跟 這 個 是 完 全 不 一 樣 因 為 他 講 的 內 容 包 括 到 年 齡 以 及 不 同 場 次 的 交 叉 分 析\n\n16\n00:04:54,316 --> 00:05:03,247\n這 個 你 我 都 很 清 楚 嘛 這 個 都 騙 不 了 人 嘛 除 非 是 不 想 動 腦 子 去 思 考 的 人 就 才 會 不 知 道 這 兩 個 差 距 在 哪 裡 一 個 是 人 流 的 控 管 一 個 是\n\n17\n00:05:04,281 --> 00:05:05,001\n吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲\n\n18\n00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:49,935\n各 執 法 的 話 它 可 不 可 以 合 理 的 使 用 那 個 各 執 法 有 做 一 個 規 定 它 第 一 條 就 有 規 定 那 個 合 理 使 用 沒 有 問 題 兼 顧 使 用 而 且 這 個 應 該 不 是 這 個 各 執 法 有 要 使 用 應 該 是 要 按 照 各 執 法 的 這 些 的 規 定 來 這 跟 通 報 法 不 一 樣 通 報 是 要 法 官 保 留\n\n19\n00:05:50,535 --> 00:06:18,362\n那 各 自 法 的 使 用 這 是 一 個 有 它 的 另 外 的 規 範 它 那 個 保 護 的 跟 通 保 法 因 為 通 保 法 2 4 條 那 一 部 分 必 須 要 監 聽 它 那 個 內 容 的 問 題 好 沒 問 題 好 那 不 然 這 部 分 我 再 做 補 充 一 下 因 為 我 剛 剛 可 能 說 太 快 沒 有 說 因 為 這 部 分 我 個 人 認 為 是 一 部 分 是 跟 各 自 有 關 但 另 外 一 部 分 是 手 機 通 訊 的 使 用 這 會 涉 及 到 通 保 法 這 部 分 會 涉 及 到 法 官 保 留 的 部 分 我 剛 剛 可 能 講 比 較 快 好 那 因 為\n\n20\n00:06:19,602 --> 00:06:19,622\n吳 宗 憲\n\n21\n00:06:44,600 --> 00:07:10,270\n我 覺 得 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 我 在 這 邊 可 以 對 他 進 行 告 發 然 後 可 能 麻 煩 那 個 這 應 該 是 北 檢 吧 北 檢 或 者 是 市 檢 市 檢 能 夠 進 行 調 查 這 塊 我 想 說 因 為 其 實 我 說 真 的 告 他 不 是 說 找 誰 麻 煩 啦 也 許 我 們 是 幫 他 釐 清 他 是 合 法 的 給 國 人 一 個 交 代 不 要 讓 大 家 開 始 在\n\n22\n00:07:11,414 --> 00:07:39,546\n人 心 惶 惶 說 原 來 我 這 些 資 料 我 以 為 是 秘 密 的 我 個 資 的 部 分 卻 可 以 被 人 拿 去 使 用 在 政 論 節 目 我 覺 得 這 有 點 恐 怖 啦 尤 其 是 可 以 做 不 同 場 次 的 分 析 我 是 不 是 曾 經 參 加 過 太 陽 花 學 院 我 是 不 是 曾 經 參 加 過 哪 一 次 政 治 集 會 就 可 以 做 這 樣 交 叉 分 析 我 想 今 天 不 管 是 哪 一 個 黨 都 不 太 能 忍 受 這 樣 的 狀 況 發 生 所 以 我 想 我 在 這 邊 就 具 體\n\n23\n00:07:41,099 --> 00:07:59,344\n我 會 具 體 告 發 不 管 告 發 的 結 果 怎 麼 樣 我 覺 得 我 都 尊 重 檢 方 的 認 定 也 許 檢 方 是 還 王 逸 川 一 個 清 白 這 樣 也 很 好 因 為 這 樣 讓 國 人 知 道 沒 有 問 題 這 個 資 料 取 得 可 能 是 或 者 是 王 逸 川 自 己 胡 說 八 道 這 也 有 可 能 所 以 我 這 邊 我 想 我 會 做 這 樣 的 想 法\n\n24\n00:07:59,784 --> 00:08:11,377\n因 為 我 總 是 覺 得 我 國 是 五 權 憲 法 的 國 家 世 界 上 國 家 幾 乎 都 是 三 權 我 們 本 來 比 人 家 多 了 兩 權 就 現 在 不 能 把 五 權 憲 法 完 全 是 一 權 一 權 專 制 國 家\n\n25\n00:08:14,901 --> 00:08:43,591\n因 為 本 來 我 們 是 行 政 立 法 司 法 考 試 監 察 的 五 權 就 現 在 被 搞 得 只 剩 下 行 政 權 而 已 變 成 執 政 黨 所 有 的 行 政 權 大 家 都 配 合 行 政 權 在 玩 那 我 們 變 一 權 國 家 突 然 從 世 界 上 區 分 最 多 的 五 權 憲 法 體 制 變 成 是 一 權 體 制 這 其 實 還 蠻 莫 名 其 妙 的 尤 其 因 為 我 這 段 時 間 我 從 選 前 看 到 的 飛 彈 的 假 簡 訊 到 反 滲 透 法 用 了 一 堆 的 那 個 檢 調 的 資 源 警 察 的 資 源 下 去 查 這 些\n\n26\n00:08:44,531 --> 00:09:00,706\n李 長 什 麼 赴 中 國 旅 遊 一 直 到 其 實 我 看 了 一 次 比 一 次 痛 心 啦 怎 麼 國 家 會 被 完 成 這 樣 因 為 我 以 前 以 為 的 行 政 總 理 我 以 前 以 為 的 國 家 憲 法 制 度 下 的 獨 立 機 關 或 者 是 法 律 獨 立 下 的 獨 立 機 關 現 在 感 覺 都 沒 有 那 麼 的 獨 立\n\n27\n00:09:01,607 --> 00:09:02,248\n我 的 想 法 是 這 樣 子\n\n28\n00:09:21,184 --> 00:09:44,763\n好 那 最 後 我 就 回 歸 到 今 天 的 議 題 因 為 時 間 的 關 係 我 想 說 因 為 我 有 提 那 個 臨 時 提 案 了 有 請 各 位 能 夠 先 給 我 一 些 數 據 所 以 今 天 就 問 題 的 部 分 我 可 能 我 就 不 多 我 想 我 就 不 多 說 了 那 不 過 我 還 是 想 要 請 教 一 下 因 為 剛 剛 那 個 陳 俊 偉 有 提 到 說 對 於 監 護 處 分 作 業 流 程 這 個 部 分 對 於 這 些\n\n29\n00:09:48,973 --> 00:09:49,353\n這 個 我 再 來 瞭 解\n\n30\n00:10:17,754 --> 00:10:44,091\n這 個 是 由 地 檢 署 去 處 理 的 那 這 個 部 長 再 麻 煩 你 了 解 一 下 那 你 幫 我 了 解 一 下 說 本 件 第 一 個 當 然 每 個 月 至 少 要 視 察 一 次 就 是 先 幫 我 了 解 一 下 有 沒 有 真 的 有 去 做 到 視 察 就 像 以 前 我 在 地 檢 署 的 時 候 我 們 要 視 察 監 獄 我 們 都 一 定 會 有 那 個 機 率 而 且 我 們 會 填 寫 那 個 報 告 表 那 我 想 請 部 長 幫 我 們 了 解 一 下\n\n31\n00:10:45,172 --> 00:11:13,311\n到 底 有 沒 有 去 做 到 每 個 月 至 少 視 察 一 次 再 來 他 的 評 估 的 狀 況 還 有 一 個 就 是 精 進 的 狀 況 怎 麼 樣 那 下 一 次 有 機 會 我 可 能 就 會 跟 部 長 請 教 到 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 一 些 維 安 預 算 的 運 用 因 為 本 來 是 準 備 在 今 天 要 跟 大 家 請 教 但 是 我 剛 好 沿 著 前 面 那 個 話 題 下 來 我 想 那 個 是 剛 發 生 的 也 是 國 人 現 在 開 始 會 擔 心 的 一 件 事 那 我 覺 得 這 幾 天 可 能\n\n32\n00:11:14,051 --> 00:11:39,233\n因 為 這 事 情 我 昨 天 我 都 在 立 法 院 忙 我 並 沒 有 注 意 到 新 聞 但 是 今 天 早 上 我 看 到 很 多 新 聞 跳 出 來 有 人 在 談 這 個 事 情 那 這 種 事 情 我 的 手 機 會 被 定 位 這 是 會 造 成 人 的 恐 慌 了 就 像 之 前 有 法 院 認 為 G P S 不 能 隨 便 裝 因 為 你 G P S 隨 便 裝 他 認 為 這 是 侵 害 我 的 隱 私 權 嘛 所 以 當 時 有 海 巡 署 的 同 仁 因 為 辦 案 者 而 被 判 刑\n\n33\n00:11:40,336 --> 00:12:03,188\n所 以 我 們 現 在 開 始 推 動 要 把 科 技 偵 查 要 去 立 法 這 國 家 是 朝 向 一 個 非 常 好 的 方 向 去 走 沒 有 錯 但 是 從 G P S 都 不 能 裝 的 這 個 角 度 去 思 考 如 果 G P S 不 能 裝 裝 的 是 侵 害 隱 私 權 結 果 我 的 手 機 被 定 位 卻 是 可 以 那 你 告 訴 我 說 我 已 經 去 識 別 化 了 但 是 你 去 識 別 化 的 程 度 到 什 麼 樣\n\n34\n00:12:04,309 --> 00:12:27,065\n如 果 還 可 以 做 不 同 場 域 的 交 叉 分 析 我 其 實 擔 心 這 個 是 真 的 有 達 到 去 識 別 化 嗎 這 個 是 我 很 擔 心 的 一 個 點 不 能 因 為 我 曾 經 參 加 過 拿 機 場 的 政 治 活 動 然 後 我 就 要 被 政 府 了 解 我 的 政 治 傾 向 是 什 麼 這 是 集 權 國 家 在 做 不 是 民 主 國 家 在 做 的 這 部 分 我 想 部 長 您 應 該 不 會 否 定 我 的 想 法 吧\n\n35\n00:12:28,823 --> 00:12:29,624\n請 教 有 關 預 算 使 用 及 監 護 處 分 的 目 的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1343\t6575\t好 謝謝主席 那我們請法務部長還有警政署的代表\n16025\t40131\t委員好兩位早安我想我今天本來是準備要就強化社會安全網第二期的部分有一些東西要跟各位就教那因為剛剛我聽了審發會委員還有縣委員所提到的有關手機的那個部分我想說我這邊也要提出一些想法\n41246\t57741\t其實在上一屆的時候李桂民委員就曾經問過法務部長蔡清當時的部長蔡清想就是有關這種社會的大型運動或者是政治活動會不會遭到監控那當時的蔡部長非常的明確告訴我們說不會\n58462\t59563\t當時的部長說得非常清楚\n74714\t91101\t所以說我們也是信任部長說的那部長也說這個手機招監控因為是涉及一定是涉及犯罪嫌疑負責的懲辦的檢察官認為有辦案的需求才會加以鎖定如果沒有涉及到犯罪\n91781\t118539\t我手機就不會被定位結果這個剛剛兩位立委跟部長就請教的王逸川這個人在節目上面表示說總統選舉造勢到近期兩次的集會遊行都證明有人就是給民進黨中央有關手機使用者的資訊那這個是王逸川在公開的節目中所說的\n122901\t129130\t蔡前部長說謊還是有哪一個單位在進行這樣的資料跟收集跟分析?\n135971\t152474\t這個我並不清楚他那個是有什麼單位做資料的數據的分析但是我也尊重蔡部長的一個講法好 謝謝部長那這樣等於是沒有回答那我再請教一下\n154332\t178900\t對於手機定位這個東西我在這邊就直接我們來談一下手機定位這個個資法上面的概念我想法務部在政府以資訊國安為由採用電子監控系統並追蹤手機是否侵犯自由人權與侵害隱私應如何確立合理明確的法律界限的專題報告\n180563\t189786\t中法務部說參酌國發會在107年11月7日發法制第107-200-2039號函以及同年月21日發法制第107-200-2136號函\n198669\t221323\t的解釋:「似乎手機號碼及定位資訊是屬於個人資料而有個人資料保護法的使用。」這是當初法務部在專題報告中所說的再來在大數據運用及隱私保護、手機定位資料與防疫應用之法律問題延期\n222968\t237119\t由先前的行政院資通安全處處長兼宏偉他所撰寫的文章也曾經下過一個結論就是手機定位資訊是個人的資料保護保護法第二條第一款規定的個人資料\n238263\t254057\t所以我想請教部長一個問題手機定位是不是屬於各執法的保護範圍內手機定位這個是個人資料的確是各執法的一個問題好 謝謝我想說這跟之前法務部的說法\n255179\t256481\t王一川使用的資料是哪裡來的\n270539\t292995\t這是我覺得很奇怪的一個點啦既然定位資料是屬於各自保障的範圍那這個資料到底是哪裡來的當然這段時間有人扯說新北市府在辦歡樂夜爛城曾經做了什麼那個是人流的管制跟這個是完全不一樣因為他講的內容包括到年齡以及不同場次的交叉分析\n294316\t303247\t這個你我都很清楚嘛 這個都騙不了人嘛 除非是不想動腦子去思考的人 就才會不知道這兩個差距在哪裡一個是人流的控管 一個是\n304281\t305001\t吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲\n328700\t349935\t各執法的話它可不可以合理的使用那個各執法有做一個規定它第一條就有規定那個合理使用沒有問題兼顧使用而且這個應該不是這個各執法有要使用應該是要按照各執法的這些的規定來這跟通報法不一樣通報是要法官保留\n350535\t378362\t那各自法的使用這是一個有它的另外的規範它那個保護的跟通保法因為通保法24條那一部分必須要監聽它那個內容的問題好沒問題好那不然這部分我再做補充一下因為我剛剛可能說太快沒有說因為這部分我個人認為是一部分是跟各自有關但另外一部分是手機通訊的使用這會涉及到通保法這部分會涉及到法官保留的部分我剛剛可能講比較快好那因為\n379602\t379622\t吳宗憲\n404600\t430270\t我覺得這個部分是不是我在這邊可以對他進行告發然後可能麻煩那個這應該是北檢吧北檢或者是市檢市檢能夠進行調查這塊我想說因為其實我說真的告他不是說找誰麻煩啦也許我們是幫他釐清他是合法的給國人一個交代不要讓大家開始在\n431414\t459546\t人心惶惶說原來我這些資料我以為是秘密的我個資的部分卻可以被人拿去使用在政論節目我覺得這有點恐怖啦尤其是可以做不同場次的分析我是不是曾經參加過太陽花學院我是不是曾經參加過哪一次政治集會就可以做這樣交叉分析我想今天不管是哪一個黨都不太能忍受這樣的狀況發生所以我想我在這邊就具體\n461099\t479344\t我會具體告發不管告發的結果怎麼樣我覺得我都尊重檢方的認定也許檢方是還王逸川一個清白這樣也很好因為這樣讓國人知道沒有問題這個資料取得可能是或者是王逸川自己胡說八道這也有可能所以我這邊我想我會做這樣的想法\n479784\t491377\t因為我總是覺得我國是五權憲法的國家世界上國家幾乎都是三權我們本來比人家多了兩權就現在不能把五權憲法完全是一權一權專制國家\n494901\t523591\t因為本來我們是行政立法司法考試監察的五權就現在被搞得只剩下行政權而已變成執政黨所有的行政權大家都配合行政權在玩那我們變一權國家突然從世界上區分最多的五權憲法體制變成是一權體制這其實還蠻莫名其妙的尤其因為我這段時間我從選前看到的飛彈的假簡訊到反滲透法用了一堆的那個檢調的資源警察的資源下去查這些\n524531\t540706\t李長什麼赴中國旅遊一直到其實我看了一次比一次痛心啦怎麼國家會被完成這樣因為我以前以為的行政總理我以前以為的國家憲法制度下的獨立機關或者是法律獨立下的獨立機關現在感覺都沒有那麼的獨立\n541607\t542248\t我的想法是這樣子\n561184\t584763\t好那最後我就回歸到今天的議題因為時間的關係我想說因為我有提那個臨時提案了有請各位能夠先給我一些數據所以今天就問題的部分我可能我就不多我想我就不多說了那不過我還是想要請教一下因為剛剛那個陳俊偉有提到說對於監護處分作業流程這個部分對於這些\n588973\t589353\t這個我再來瞭解\n617754\t644091\t這個是由地檢署去處理的那這個部長再麻煩你了解一下那你幫我了解一下說本件第一個當然每個月至少要視察一次就是先幫我了解一下有沒有真的有去做到視察就像以前我在地檢署的時候我們要視察監獄我們都一定會有那個機率而且我們會填寫那個報告表那我想請部長幫我們了解一下\n645172\t673311\t到底有沒有去做到每個月至少視察一次再來他的評估的狀況還有一個就是精進的狀況怎麼樣那下一次有機會我可能就會跟部長請教到這個監護處分的一些維安預算的運用因為本來是準備在今天要跟大家請教但是我剛好沿著前面那個話題下來我想那個是剛發生的也是國人現在開始會擔心的一件事那我覺得這幾天可能\n674051\t699233\t因為這事情我昨天我都在立法院忙我並沒有注意到新聞但是今天早上我看到很多新聞跳出來有人在談這個事情那這種事情我的手機會被定位這是會造成人的恐慌了就像之前有法院認為GPS不能隨便裝因為你GPS隨便裝他認為這是侵害我的隱私權嘛所以當時有海巡署的同仁因為辦案者而被判刑\n700336\t723188\t所以我們現在開始推動要把科技偵查要去立法這國家是朝向一個非常好的方向去走沒有錯但是從GPS都不能裝的這個角度去思考如果GPS不能裝裝的是侵害隱私權結果我的手機被定位卻是可以那你告訴我說我已經去識別化了但是你去識別化的程度到什麼樣\n724309\t747065\t如果還可以做不同場域的交叉分析我其實擔心這個是真的有達到去識別化嗎這個是我很擔心的一個點不能因為我曾經參加過拿機場的政治活動然後我就要被政府了解我的政治傾向是什麼這是集權國家在做不是民主國家在做的這部分我想部長您應該不會否定我的想法吧\n748823\t749624\t請教有關預算使用及監護處分的目的\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 那我們請法務部長還有警政署的代表\n委員好兩位早安我想我今天本來是準備要就強化社會安全網第二期的部分有一些東西要跟各位就教那因為剛剛我聽了審發會委員還有縣委員所提到的有關手機的那個部分我想說我這邊也要提出一些想法\n其實在上一屆的時候李桂民委員就曾經問過法務部長蔡清當時的部長蔡清想就是有關這種社會的大型運動或者是政治活動會不會遭到監控那當時的蔡部長非常的明確告訴我們說不會\n當時的部長說得非常清楚\n所以說我們也是信任部長說的那部長也說這個手機招監控因為是涉及一定是涉及犯罪嫌疑負責的懲辦的檢察官認為有辦案的需求才會加以鎖定如果沒有涉及到犯罪\n我手機就不會被定位結果這個剛剛兩位立委跟部長就請教的王逸川這個人在節目上面表示說總統選舉造勢到近期兩次的集會遊行都證明有人就是給民進黨中央有關手機使用者的資訊那這個是王逸川在公開的節目中所說的\n蔡前部長說謊還是有哪一個單位在進行這樣的資料跟收集跟分析?\n這個我並不清楚他那個是有什麼單位做資料的數據的分析但是我也尊重蔡部長的一個講法好 謝謝部長那這樣等於是沒有回答那我再請教一下\n對於手機定位這個東西我在這邊就直接我們來談一下手機定位這個個資法上面的概念我想法務部在政府以資訊國安為由採用電子監控系統並追蹤手機是否侵犯自由人權與侵害隱私應如何確立合理明確的法律界限的專題報告\n中法務部說參酌國發會在107年11月7日發法制第107-200-2039號函以及同年月21日發法制第107-200-2136號函\n的解釋:「似乎手機號碼及定位資訊是屬於個人資料而有個人資料保護法的使用。」這是當初法務部在專題報告中所說的再來在大數據運用及隱私保護、手機定位資料與防疫應用之法律問題延期\n由先前的行政院資通安全處處長兼宏偉他所撰寫的文章也曾經下過一個結論就是手機定位資訊是個人的資料保護保護法第二條第一款規定的個人資料\n所以我想請教部長一個問題手機定位是不是屬於各執法的保護範圍內手機定位這個是個人資料的確是各執法的一個問題好 謝謝我想說這跟之前法務部的說法\n王一川使用的資料是哪裡來的\n這是我覺得很奇怪的一個點啦既然定位資料是屬於各自保障的範圍那這個資料到底是哪裡來的當然這段時間有人扯說新北市府在辦歡樂夜爛城曾經做了什麼那個是人流的管制跟這個是完全不一樣因為他講的內容包括到年齡以及不同場次的交叉分析\n這個你我都很清楚嘛 這個都騙不了人嘛 除非是不想動腦子去思考的人 就才會不知道這兩個差距在哪裡一個是人流的控管 一個是\n吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲\n各執法的話它可不可以合理的使用那個各執法有做一個規定它第一條就有規定那個合理使用沒有問題兼顧使用而且這個應該不是這個各執法有要使用應該是要按照各執法的這些的規定來這跟通報法不一樣通報是要法官保留\n那各自法的使用這是一個有它的另外的規範它那個保護的跟通保法因為通保法24條那一部分必須要監聽它那個內容的問題好沒問題好那不然這部分我再做補充一下因為我剛剛可能說太快沒有說因為這部分我個人認為是一部分是跟各自有關但另外一部分是手機通訊的使用這會涉及到通保法這部分會涉及到法官保留的部分我剛剛可能講比較快好那因為\n吳宗憲\n我覺得這個部分是不是我在這邊可以對他進行告發然後可能麻煩那個這應該是北檢吧北檢或者是市檢市檢能夠進行調查這塊我想說因為其實我說真的告他不是說找誰麻煩啦也許我們是幫他釐清他是合法的給國人一個交代不要讓大家開始在\n人心惶惶說原來我這些資料我以為是秘密的我個資的部分卻可以被人拿去使用在政論節目我覺得這有點恐怖啦尤其是可以做不同場次的分析我是不是曾經參加過太陽花學院我是不是曾經參加過哪一次政治集會就可以做這樣交叉分析我想今天不管是哪一個黨都不太能忍受這樣的狀況發生所以我想我在這邊就具體\n我會具體告發不管告發的結果怎麼樣我覺得我都尊重檢方的認定也許檢方是還王逸川一個清白這樣也很好因為這樣讓國人知道沒有問題這個資料取得可能是或者是王逸川自己胡說八道這也有可能所以我這邊我想我會做這樣的想法\n因為我總是覺得我國是五權憲法的國家世界上國家幾乎都是三權我們本來比人家多了兩權就現在不能把五權憲法完全是一權一權專制國家\n因為本來我們是行政立法司法考試監察的五權就現在被搞得只剩下行政權而已變成執政黨所有的行政權大家都配合行政權在玩那我們變一權國家突然從世界上區分最多的五權憲法體制變成是一權體制這其實還蠻莫名其妙的尤其因為我這段時間我從選前看到的飛彈的假簡訊到反滲透法用了一堆的那個檢調的資源警察的資源下去查這些\n李長什麼赴中國旅遊一直到其實我看了一次比一次痛心啦怎麼國家會被完成這樣因為我以前以為的行政總理我以前以為的國家憲法制度下的獨立機關或者是法律獨立下的獨立機關現在感覺都沒有那麼的獨立\n我的想法是這樣子\n好那最後我就回歸到今天的議題因為時間的關係我想說因為我有提那個臨時提案了有請各位能夠先給我一些數據所以今天就問題的部分我可能我就不多我想我就不多說了那不過我還是想要請教一下因為剛剛那個陳俊偉有提到說對於監護處分作業流程這個部分對於這些\n這個我再來瞭解\n這個是由地檢署去處理的那這個部長再麻煩你了解一下那你幫我了解一下說本件第一個當然每個月至少要視察一次就是先幫我了解一下有沒有真的有去做到視察就像以前我在地檢署的時候我們要視察監獄我們都一定會有那個機率而且我們會填寫那個報告表那我想請部長幫我們了解一下\n到底有沒有去做到每個月至少視察一次再來他的評估的狀況還有一個就是精進的狀況怎麼樣那下一次有機會我可能就會跟部長請教到這個監護處分的一些維安預算的運用因為本來是準備在今天要跟大家請教但是我剛好沿著前面那個話題下來我想那個是剛發生的也是國人現在開始會擔心的一件事那我覺得這幾天可能\n因為這事情我昨天我都在立法院忙我並沒有注意到新聞但是今天早上我看到很多新聞跳出來有人在談這個事情那這種事情我的手機會被定位這是會造成人的恐慌了就像之前有法院認為GPS不能隨便裝因為你GPS隨便裝他認為這是侵害我的隱私權嘛所以當時有海巡署的同仁因為辦案者而被判刑\n所以我們現在開始推動要把科技偵查要去立法這國家是朝向一個非常好的方向去走沒有錯但是從GPS都不能裝的這個角度去思考如果GPS不能裝裝的是侵害隱私權結果我的手機被定位卻是可以那你告訴我說我已經去識別化了但是你去識別化的程度到什麼樣\n如果還可以做不同場域的交叉分析我其實擔心這個是真的有達到去識別化嗎這個是我很擔心的一個點不能因為我曾經參加過拿機場的政治活動然後我就要被政府了解我的政治傾向是什麼這是集權國家在做不是民主國家在做的這部分我想部長您應該不會否定我的想法吧\n請教有關預算使用及監護處分的目的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.343 --> 00:06.575\n好 謝 謝 主 席 那 我 們 請 法 務 部 長 還 有 警 政 署 的 代 表\n\n00:16.025 --> 00:40.131\n委 員 好 兩 位 早 安 我 想 我 今 天 本 來 是 準 備 要 就 強 化 社 會 安 全 網 第 二 期 的 部 分 有 一 些 東 西 要 跟 各 位 就 教 那 因 為 剛 剛 我 聽 了 審 發 會 委 員 還 有 縣 委 員 所 提 到 的 有 關 手 機 的 那 個 部 分 我 想 說 我 這 邊 也 要 提 出 一 些 想 法\n\n00:41.246 --> 00:57.741\n其 實 在 上 一 屆 的 時 候 李 桂 民 委 員 就 曾 經 問 過 法 務 部 長 蔡 清 當 時 的 部 長 蔡 清 想 就 是 有 關 這 種 社 會 的 大 型 運 動 或 者 是 政 治 活 動 會 不 會 遭 到 監 控 那 當 時 的 蔡 部 長 非 常 的 明 確 告 訴 我 們 說 不 會\n\n00:58.462 --> 00:59.563\n當 時 的 部 長 說 得 非 常 清 楚\n\n01:14.714 --> 01:31.101\n所 以 說 我 們 也 是 信 任 部 長 說 的 那 部 長 也 說 這 個 手 機 招 監 控 因 為 是 涉 及 一 定 是 涉 及 犯 罪 嫌 疑 負 責 的 懲 辦 的 檢 察 官 認 為 有 辦 案 的 需 求 才 會 加 以 鎖 定 如 果 沒 有 涉 及 到 犯 罪\n\n01:31.781 --> 01:58.539\n我 手 機 就 不 會 被 定 位 結 果 這 個 剛 剛 兩 位 立 委 跟 部 長 就 請 教 的 王 逸 川 這 個 人 在 節 目 上 面 表 示 說 總 統 選 舉 造 勢 到 近 期 兩 次 的 集 會 遊 行 都 證 明 有 人 就 是 給 民 進 黨 中 央 有 關 手 機 使 用 者 的 資 訊 那 這 個 是 王 逸 川 在 公 開 的 節 目 中 所 說 的\n\n02:02.901 --> 02:09.130\n蔡 前 部 長 說 謊 還 是 有 哪 一 個 單 位 在 進 行 這 樣 的 資 料 跟 收 集 跟 分 析 ?\n\n02:15.971 --> 02:32.474\n這 個 我 並 不 清 楚 他 那 個 是 有 什 麼 單 位 做 資 料 的 數 據 的 分 析 但 是 我 也 尊 重 蔡 部 長 的 一 個 講 法 好 謝 謝 部 長 那 這 樣 等 於 是 沒 有 回 答 那 我 再 請 教 一 下\n\n02:34.332 --> 02:58.900\n對 於 手 機 定 位 這 個 東 西 我 在 這 邊 就 直 接 我 們 來 談 一 下 手 機 定 位 這 個 個 資 法 上 面 的 概 念 我 想 法 務 部 在 政 府 以 資 訊 國 安 為 由 採 用 電 子 監 控 系 統 並 追 蹤 手 機 是 否 侵 犯 自 由 人 權 與 侵 害 隱 私 應 如 何 確 立 合 理 明 確 的 法 律 界 限 的 專 題 報 告\n\n03:00.563 --> 03:09.786\n中 法 務 部 說 參 酌 國 發 會 在 1 0 7 年 1 1 月 7 日 發 法 制 第 1 0 7 - 2 0 0 - 2 0 3 9 號 函 以 及 同 年 月 2 1 日 發 法 制 第 1 0 7 - 2 0 0 - 2 1 3 6 號 函\n\n03:18.669 --> 03:41.323\n的 解 釋 : 「 似 乎 手 機 號 碼 及 定 位 資 訊 是 屬 於 個 人 資 料 而 有 個 人 資 料 保 護 法 的 使 用 。 」 這 是 當 初 法 務 部 在 專 題 報 告 中 所 說 的 再 來 在 大 數 據 運 用 及 隱 私 保 護 、 手 機 定 位 資 料 與 防 疫 應 用 之 法 律 問 題 延 期\n\n03:42.968 --> 03:57.119\n由 先 前 的 行 政 院 資 通 安 全 處 處 長 兼 宏 偉 他 所 撰 寫 的 文 章 也 曾 經 下 過 一 個 結 論 就 是 手 機 定 位 資 訊 是 個 人 的 資 料 保 護 保 護 法 第 二 條 第 一 款 規 定 的 個 人 資 料\n\n03:58.263 --> 04:14.057\n所 以 我 想 請 教 部 長 一 個 問 題 手 機 定 位 是 不 是 屬 於 各 執 法 的 保 護 範 圍 內 手 機 定 位 這 個 是 個 人 資 料 的 確 是 各 執 法 的 一 個 問 題 好 謝 謝 我 想 說 這 跟 之 前 法 務 部 的 說 法\n\n04:15.179 --> 04:16.481\n王 一 川 使 用 的 資 料 是 哪 裡 來 的\n\n04:30.539 --> 04:52.995\n這 是 我 覺 得 很 奇 怪 的 一 個 點 啦 既 然 定 位 資 料 是 屬 於 各 自 保 障 的 範 圍 那 這 個 資 料 到 底 是 哪 裡 來 的 當 然 這 段 時 間 有 人 扯 說 新 北 市 府 在 辦 歡 樂 夜 爛 城 曾 經 做 了 什 麼 那 個 是 人 流 的 管 制 跟 這 個 是 完 全 不 一 樣 因 為 他 講 的 內 容 包 括 到 年 齡 以 及 不 同 場 次 的 交 叉 分 析\n\n04:54.316 --> 05:03.247\n這 個 你 我 都 很 清 楚 嘛 這 個 都 騙 不 了 人 嘛 除 非 是 不 想 動 腦 子 去 思 考 的 人 就 才 會 不 知 道 這 兩 個 差 距 在 哪 裡 一 個 是 人 流 的 控 管 一 個 是\n\n05:04.281 --> 05:05.001\n吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲 議 員 吳 宗 憲\n\n05:28.700 --> 05:49.935\n各 執 法 的 話 它 可 不 可 以 合 理 的 使 用 那 個 各 執 法 有 做 一 個 規 定 它 第 一 條 就 有 規 定 那 個 合 理 使 用 沒 有 問 題 兼 顧 使 用 而 且 這 個 應 該 不 是 這 個 各 執 法 有 要 使 用 應 該 是 要 按 照 各 執 法 的 這 些 的 規 定 來 這 跟 通 報 法 不 一 樣 通 報 是 要 法 官 保 留\n\n05:50.535 --> 06:18.362\n那 各 自 法 的 使 用 這 是 一 個 有 它 的 另 外 的 規 範 它 那 個 保 護 的 跟 通 保 法 因 為 通 保 法 2 4 條 那 一 部 分 必 須 要 監 聽 它 那 個 內 容 的 問 題 好 沒 問 題 好 那 不 然 這 部 分 我 再 做 補 充 一 下 因 為 我 剛 剛 可 能 說 太 快 沒 有 說 因 為 這 部 分 我 個 人 認 為 是 一 部 分 是 跟 各 自 有 關 但 另 外 一 部 分 是 手 機 通 訊 的 使 用 這 會 涉 及 到 通 保 法 這 部 分 會 涉 及 到 法 官 保 留 的 部 分 我 剛 剛 可 能 講 比 較 快 好 那 因 為\n\n06:19.602 --> 06:19.622\n吳 宗 憲\n\n06:44.600 --> 07:10.270\n我 覺 得 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 我 在 這 邊 可 以 對 他 進 行 告 發 然 後 可 能 麻 煩 那 個 這 應 該 是 北 檢 吧 北 檢 或 者 是 市 檢 市 檢 能 夠 進 行 調 查 這 塊 我 想 說 因 為 其 實 我 說 真 的 告 他 不 是 說 找 誰 麻 煩 啦 也 許 我 們 是 幫 他 釐 清 他 是 合 法 的 給 國 人 一 個 交 代 不 要 讓 大 家 開 始 在\n\n07:11.414 --> 07:39.546\n人 心 惶 惶 說 原 來 我 這 些 資 料 我 以 為 是 秘 密 的 我 個 資 的 部 分 卻 可 以 被 人 拿 去 使 用 在 政 論 節 目 我 覺 得 這 有 點 恐 怖 啦 尤 其 是 可 以 做 不 同 場 次 的 分 析 我 是 不 是 曾 經 參 加 過 太 陽 花 學 院 我 是 不 是 曾 經 參 加 過 哪 一 次 政 治 集 會 就 可 以 做 這 樣 交 叉 分 析 我 想 今 天 不 管 是 哪 一 個 黨 都 不 太 能 忍 受 這 樣 的 狀 況 發 生 所 以 我 想 我 在 這 邊 就 具 體\n\n07:41.099 --> 07:59.344\n我 會 具 體 告 發 不 管 告 發 的 結 果 怎 麼 樣 我 覺 得 我 都 尊 重 檢 方 的 認 定 也 許 檢 方 是 還 王 逸 川 一 個 清 白 這 樣 也 很 好 因 為 這 樣 讓 國 人 知 道 沒 有 問 題 這 個 資 料 取 得 可 能 是 或 者 是 王 逸 川 自 己 胡 說 八 道 這 也 有 可 能 所 以 我 這 邊 我 想 我 會 做 這 樣 的 想 法\n\n07:59.784 --> 08:11.377\n因 為 我 總 是 覺 得 我 國 是 五 權 憲 法 的 國 家 世 界 上 國 家 幾 乎 都 是 三 權 我 們 本 來 比 人 家 多 了 兩 權 就 現 在 不 能 把 五 權 憲 法 完 全 是 一 權 一 權 專 制 國 家\n\n08:14.901 --> 08:43.591\n因 為 本 來 我 們 是 行 政 立 法 司 法 考 試 監 察 的 五 權 就 現 在 被 搞 得 只 剩 下 行 政 權 而 已 變 成 執 政 黨 所 有 的 行 政 權 大 家 都 配 合 行 政 權 在 玩 那 我 們 變 一 權 國 家 突 然 從 世 界 上 區 分 最 多 的 五 權 憲 法 體 制 變 成 是 一 權 體 制 這 其 實 還 蠻 莫 名 其 妙 的 尤 其 因 為 我 這 段 時 間 我 從 選 前 看 到 的 飛 彈 的 假 簡 訊 到 反 滲 透 法 用 了 一 堆 的 那 個 檢 調 的 資 源 警 察 的 資 源 下 去 查 這 些\n\n08:44.531 --> 09:00.706\n李 長 什 麼 赴 中 國 旅 遊 一 直 到 其 實 我 看 了 一 次 比 一 次 痛 心 啦 怎 麼 國 家 會 被 完 成 這 樣 因 為 我 以 前 以 為 的 行 政 總 理 我 以 前 以 為 的 國 家 憲 法 制 度 下 的 獨 立 機 關 或 者 是 法 律 獨 立 下 的 獨 立 機 關 現 在 感 覺 都 沒 有 那 麼 的 獨 立\n\n09:01.607 --> 09:02.248\n我 的 想 法 是 這 樣 子\n\n09:21.184 --> 09:44.763\n好 那 最 後 我 就 回 歸 到 今 天 的 議 題 因 為 時 間 的 關 係 我 想 說 因 為 我 有 提 那 個 臨 時 提 案 了 有 請 各 位 能 夠 先 給 我 一 些 數 據 所 以 今 天 就 問 題 的 部 分 我 可 能 我 就 不 多 我 想 我 就 不 多 說 了 那 不 過 我 還 是 想 要 請 教 一 下 因 為 剛 剛 那 個 陳 俊 偉 有 提 到 說 對 於 監 護 處 分 作 業 流 程 這 個 部 分 對 於 這 些\n\n09:48.973 --> 09:49.353\n這 個 我 再 來 瞭 解\n\n10:17.754 --> 10:44.091\n這 個 是 由 地 檢 署 去 處 理 的 那 這 個 部 長 再 麻 煩 你 了 解 一 下 那 你 幫 我 了 解 一 下 說 本 件 第 一 個 當 然 每 個 月 至 少 要 視 察 一 次 就 是 先 幫 我 了 解 一 下 有 沒 有 真 的 有 去 做 到 視 察 就 像 以 前 我 在 地 檢 署 的 時 候 我 們 要 視 察 監 獄 我 們 都 一 定 會 有 那 個 機 率 而 且 我 們 會 填 寫 那 個 報 告 表 那 我 想 請 部 長 幫 我 們 了 解 一 下\n\n10:45.172 --> 11:13.311\n到 底 有 沒 有 去 做 到 每 個 月 至 少 視 察 一 次 再 來 他 的 評 估 的 狀 況 還 有 一 個 就 是 精 進 的 狀 況 怎 麼 樣 那 下 一 次 有 機 會 我 可 能 就 會 跟 部 長 請 教 到 這 個 監 護 處 分 的 一 些 維 安 預 算 的 運 用 因 為 本 來 是 準 備 在 今 天 要 跟 大 家 請 教 但 是 我 剛 好 沿 著 前 面 那 個 話 題 下 來 我 想 那 個 是 剛 發 生 的 也 是 國 人 現 在 開 始 會 擔 心 的 一 件 事 那 我 覺 得 這 幾 天 可 能\n\n11:14.051 --> 11:39.233\n因 為 這 事 情 我 昨 天 我 都 在 立 法 院 忙 我 並 沒 有 注 意 到 新 聞 但 是 今 天 早 上 我 看 到 很 多 新 聞 跳 出 來 有 人 在 談 這 個 事 情 那 這 種 事 情 我 的 手 機 會 被 定 位 這 是 會 造 成 人 的 恐 慌 了 就 像 之 前 有 法 院 認 為 G P S 不 能 隨 便 裝 因 為 你 G P S 隨 便 裝 他 認 為 這 是 侵 害 我 的 隱 私 權 嘛 所 以 當 時 有 海 巡 署 的 同 仁 因 為 辦 案 者 而 被 判 刑\n\n11:40.336 --> 12:03.188\n所 以 我 們 現 在 開 始 推 動 要 把 科 技 偵 查 要 去 立 法 這 國 家 是 朝 向 一 個 非 常 好 的 方 向 去 走 沒 有 錯 但 是 從 G P S 都 不 能 裝 的 這 個 角 度 去 思 考 如 果 G P S 不 能 裝 裝 的 是 侵 害 隱 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那我們請法務部長還有警政署的代表"},{"start":16.025,"end":40.131,"text":"委員好兩位早安我想我今天本來是準備要就強化社會安全網第二期的部分有一些東西要跟各位就教那因為剛剛我聽了審發會委員還有縣委員所提到的有關手機的那個部分我想說我這邊也要提出一些想法"},{"start":41.246,"end":57.741,"text":"其實在上一屆的時候李桂民委員就曾經問過法務部長蔡清當時的部長蔡清想就是有關這種社會的大型運動或者是政治活動會不會遭到監控那當時的蔡部長非常的明確告訴我們說不會"},{"start":58.462,"end":59.563,"text":"當時的部長說得非常清楚"},{"start":74.714,"end":91.101,"text":"所以說我們也是信任部長說的那部長也說這個手機招監控因為是涉及一定是涉及犯罪嫌疑負責的懲辦的檢察官認為有辦案的需求才會加以鎖定如果沒有涉及到犯罪"},{"start":91.781,"end":118.539,"text":"我手機就不會被定位結果這個剛剛兩位立委跟部長就請教的王逸川這個人在節目上面表示說總統選舉造勢到近期兩次的集會遊行都證明有人就是給民進黨中央有關手機使用者的資訊那這個是王逸川在公開的節目中所說的"},{"start":122.901,"end":129.13,"text":"蔡前部長說謊還是有哪一個單位在進行這樣的資料跟收集跟分析?"},{"start":135.971,"end":152.474,"text":"這個我並不清楚他那個是有什麼單位做資料的數據的分析但是我也尊重蔡部長的一個講法好 謝謝部長那這樣等於是沒有回答那我再請教一下"},{"start":154.332,"end":178.9,"text":"對於手機定位這個東西我在這邊就直接我們來談一下手機定位這個個資法上面的概念我想法務部在政府以資訊國安為由採用電子監控系統並追蹤手機是否侵犯自由人權與侵害隱私應如何確立合理明確的法律界限的專題報告"},{"start":180.563,"end":189.786,"text":"中法務部說參酌國發會在107年11月7日發法制第107-200-2039號函以及同年月21日發法制第107-200-2136號函"},{"start":198.669,"end":221.323,"text":"的解釋:「似乎手機號碼及定位資訊是屬於個人資料而有個人資料保護法的使用。」這是當初法務部在專題報告中所說的再來在大數據運用及隱私保護、手機定位資料與防疫應用之法律問題延期"},{"start":222.968,"end":237.119,"text":"由先前的行政院資通安全處處長兼宏偉他所撰寫的文章也曾經下過一個結論就是手機定位資訊是個人的資料保護保護法第二條第一款規定的個人資料"},{"start":238.263,"end":254.057,"text":"所以我想請教部長一個問題手機定位是不是屬於各執法的保護範圍內手機定位這個是個人資料的確是各執法的一個問題好 謝謝我想說這跟之前法務部的說法"},{"start":255.179,"end":256.481,"text":"王一川使用的資料是哪裡來的"},{"start":270.539,"end":292.995,"text":"這是我覺得很奇怪的一個點啦既然定位資料是屬於各自保障的範圍那這個資料到底是哪裡來的當然這段時間有人扯說新北市府在辦歡樂夜爛城曾經做了什麼那個是人流的管制跟這個是完全不一樣因為他講的內容包括到年齡以及不同場次的交叉分析"},{"start":294.316,"end":303.247,"text":"這個你我都很清楚嘛 這個都騙不了人嘛 除非是不想動腦子去思考的人 就才會不知道這兩個差距在哪裡一個是人流的控管 一個是"},{"start":304.281,"end":305.001,"text":"吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲議員吳宗憲"},{"start":328.7,"end":349.935,"text":"各執法的話它可不可以合理的使用那個各執法有做一個規定它第一條就有規定那個合理使用沒有問題兼顧使用而且這個應該不是這個各執法有要使用應該是要按照各執法的這些的規定來這跟通報法不一樣通報是要法官保留"},{"start":350.535,"end":378.362,"text":"那各自法的使用這是一個有它的另外的規範它那個保護的跟通保法因為通保法24條那一部分必須要監聽它那個內容的問題好沒問題好那不然這部分我再做補充一下因為我剛剛可能說太快沒有說因為這部分我個人認為是一部分是跟各自有關但另外一部分是手機通訊的使用這會涉及到通保法這部分會涉及到法官保留的部分我剛剛可能講比較快好那因為"},{"start":379.602,"end":379.622,"text":"吳宗憲"},{"start":404.6,"end":430.27,"text":"我覺得這個部分是不是我在這邊可以對他進行告發然後可能麻煩那個這應該是北檢吧北檢或者是市檢市檢能夠進行調查這塊我想說因為其實我說真的告他不是說找誰麻煩啦也許我們是幫他釐清他是合法的給國人一個交代不要讓大家開始在"},{"start":431.414,"end":459.546,"text":"人心惶惶說原來我這些資料我以為是秘密的我個資的部分卻可以被人拿去使用在政論節目我覺得這有點恐怖啦尤其是可以做不同場次的分析我是不是曾經參加過太陽花學院我是不是曾經參加過哪一次政治集會就可以做這樣交叉分析我想今天不管是哪一個黨都不太能忍受這樣的狀況發生所以我想我在這邊就具體"},{"start":461.099,"end":479.344,"text":"我會具體告發不管告發的結果怎麼樣我覺得我都尊重檢方的認定也許檢方是還王逸川一個清白這樣也很好因為這樣讓國人知道沒有問題這個資料取得可能是或者是王逸川自己胡說八道這也有可能所以我這邊我想我會做這樣的想法"},{"start":479.784,"end":491.377,"text":"因為我總是覺得我國是五權憲法的國家世界上國家幾乎都是三權我們本來比人家多了兩權就現在不能把五權憲法完全是一權一權專制國家"},{"start":494.901,"end":523.591,"text":"因為本來我們是行政立法司法考試監察的五權就現在被搞得只剩下行政權而已變成執政黨所有的行政權大家都配合行政權在玩那我們變一權國家突然從世界上區分最多的五權憲法體制變成是一權體制這其實還蠻莫名其妙的尤其因為我這段時間我從選前看到的飛彈的假簡訊到反滲透法用了一堆的那個檢調的資源警察的資源下去查這些"},{"start":524.531,"end":540.706,"text":"李長什麼赴中國旅遊一直到其實我看了一次比一次痛心啦怎麼國家會被完成這樣因為我以前以為的行政總理我以前以為的國家憲法制度下的獨立機關或者是法律獨立下的獨立機關現在感覺都沒有那麼的獨立"},{"start":541.607,"end":542.248,"text":"我的想法是這樣子"},{"start":561.184,"end":584.763,"text":"好那最後我就回歸到今天的議題因為時間的關係我想說因為我有提那個臨時提案了有請各位能夠先給我一些數據所以今天就問題的部分我可能我就不多我想我就不多說了那不過我還是想要請教一下因為剛剛那個陳俊偉有提到說對於監護處分作業流程這個部分對於這些"},{"start":588.973,"end":589.353,"text":"這個我再來瞭解"},{"start":617.754,"end":644.091,"text":"這個是由地檢署去處理的那這個部長再麻煩你了解一下那你幫我了解一下說本件第一個當然每個月至少要視察一次就是先幫我了解一下有沒有真的有去做到視察就像以前我在地檢署的時候我們要視察監獄我們都一定會有那個機率而且我們會填寫那個報告表那我想請部長幫我們了解一下"},{"start":645.172,"end":673.311,"text":"到底有沒有去做到每個月至少視察一次再來他的評估的狀況還有一個就是精進的狀況怎麼樣那下一次有機會我可能就會跟部長請教到這個監護處分的一些維安預算的運用因為本來是準備在今天要跟大家請教但是我剛好沿著前面那個話題下來我想那個是剛發生的也是國人現在開始會擔心的一件事那我覺得這幾天可能"},{"start":674.051,"end":699.233,"text":"因為這事情我昨天我都在立法院忙我並沒有注意到新聞但是今天早上我看到很多新聞跳出來有人在談這個事情那這種事情我的手機會被定位這是會造成人的恐慌了就像之前有法院認為GPS不能隨便裝因為你GPS隨便裝他認為這是侵害我的隱私權嘛所以當時有海巡署的同仁因為辦案者而被判刑"},{"start":700.336,"end":723.188,"text":"所以我們現在開始推動要把科技偵查要去立法這國家是朝向一個非常好的方向去走沒有錯但是從GPS都不能裝的這個角度去思考如果GPS不能裝裝的是侵害隱私權結果我的手機被定位卻是可以那你告訴我說我已經去識別化了但是你去識別化的程度到什麼樣"},{"start":724.309,"end":747.065,"text":"如果還可以做不同場域的交叉分析我其實擔心這個是真的有達到去識別化嗎這個是我很擔心的一個點不能因為我曾經參加過拿機場的政治活動然後我就要被政府了解我的政治傾向是什麼這是集權國家在做不是民主國家在做的這部分我想部長您應該不會否定我的想法吧"},{"start":748.823,"end":749.624,"text":"請教有關預算使用及監護處分的目的"}]}}}}