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--> 00:03.899\n謝 謝 主 席 以 及 各 位 先 進 , 有 請 國 安 局 的 蔡 局 長\n\n00:11.713 --> 00:39.251\n好 , 謝 謝 主 席 , 賴 委 員 好 是 , 你 好 那 麼 請 問 國 安 局 有 沒 有 派 人 去 參 加 5 1 7 、 5 2 1 、 5 2 4 、 5 2 8 的 我 們 周 邊 外 圍 的 親 鳥 行 動 , 有 沒 有 ? 喔 , 派 人 沒 有 , 我 們 沒 有 介 入 這 種 社 會 的 活 動 , 沒 有 沒 有 介 入 ? 對 好 奇 去 看 一 下 也 沒 有 我 沒 有 下 達 這 樣 的 指 示 要 我 們 的 各 單 位 的 同 仁 去 參 加 這 個 活 動 , 沒 有 ? 沒 有\n\n00:40.851 --> 01:06.769\n我 現 在 擔 心 的 是 說 你 們 說 不 定 有 人 跑 去 你 不 知 道 而 已 結 果 你 們 的 人 國 安 人 員 他 的 年 紀 跟 年 紀 有 關 係 的 支 持 的 傾 向 都 被 記 錄 了 這 個 局 長 你 要 不 要 講 一 下 如 果 國 安 局 有 人 在 裡 面 資 料 都 這 樣 子 被 收 你 感 覺 怎 麼 樣 沒 有 沒 有 我 們 沒 有 人 過 去 那 邊 確 定 沒 有 對\n\n01:07.950 --> 01:10.938\n你 有 沒 有 管 到 取 得 基 地 台 的 登 錄 信 啊 ?\n\n01:12.795 --> 01:37.137\n我 剛 也 跟 徐 巧 新 委 員 有 報 告 過 就 國 安 局 假 如 要 跟 電 信 業 者 索 取 相 關 的 用 戶 的 資 料 的 話 必 須 要 遵 照 通 訊 保 障 及 監 察 法 的 規 定 要 送 到 高 等 法 院 然 後 要 經 過 1 2 道 的 行 政 審 查 程 序 才 能 夠 啟 動 而 且 目 的 是 為 了 可 能 國 安 或 司 法 刑 事 案 件 的 偵 辦 這 有 一 個 非 常 嚴 謹 的 法 律 程 序 那 麼 我 們 就 知 道 要 今 天\n\n01:38.178 --> 01:55.041\n其 實 一 般 的 檢 調 系 統 是 有 蠻 嚴 謹 的 規 定 但 是 其 中 有 一 個 是 國 安 局 長 可 以 簽 對 沒 有 沒 有 我 簽 了 之 後 是 要 送 到 高 等 法 院 由 高 等 法 院 來 裁 示 可 以 啟 動 才 能 啟 動 程 序 上 是 這 樣\n\n01:56.087 --> 01:56.707\n手 機 定 位 資 訊 屬 於 各 自\n\n02:12.731 --> 02:17.355\n我 們 今 天 的 題 目 就 是 中 國 大 陸 的 聯 合 利 建 A\n\n02:39.196 --> 02:58.484\n剛 才 蔡 局 長 講 了 好 幾 次 了 針 對 賴 總 統 的 就 是 演 說 那 我 就 很 好 奇 兩 位 長 官 哪 位 可 以 回 答 蔡 英 文 總 統 也 講 過 中 華 民 國 跟 中 華 人 民 共 和 國 互 不 隸 屬 為 什 麼 蔡 英 文 講 的 沒 事 賴 清 德 有 事 是 怎 樣\n\n03:02.674 --> 03:18.413\n我 剛 也 跟 其 他 委 員 有 兩 位 委 員 報 告 過 這 件 事 事 實 上 賴 總 統 的 5 2 0 就 職 演 說 他 延 續 的 還 是 維 持 兩 岸 現 狀 的 基 本 教 訓 那 中 共 他 可 能 在 台 灣 的 政 府 換 屆 他 有 一 個 反 應 的 動 作 所 以 委 員 可 以 知 道\n\n03:19.894 --> 03:22.975\n上 一 次 有 嗎 ? 上 一 次 馬 英 九 講 給 蔡 英 文 總 統 有 這 樣 子 嗎 ? 馬 上 也 行 嗎 ? 沒 有 啊 ! 沒 有 啊 ! 蔡 英 文 他 說 講 也 沒 有 啊 !\n\n03:44.462 --> 03:54.098\n他 會 講 講 得 更 露 露 骨 也 沒 有 啊 差 在 哪 裡 來 胡 志 偉 你 應 該 知 道 答 案 你 講 一 下 差 在 哪 裡 差 在 哪 裡\n\n03:55.393 --> 04:15.799\n我 想 每 一 個 總 統 他 用 詞 用 字 的 方 式 會 不 太 一 樣 那 但 是 有 一 些 原 則 還 是 相 同 的 比 如 說 賴 清 德 總 統 他 就 一 開 始 就 講 說 遵 循 中 華 民 國 憲 政 體 制 那 這 當 然 就 是 包 括 了 中 華 民 國 憲 法 徵 修 條 文 跟 兩 岸 人 民 關 係 條 例\n\n04:17.339 --> 04:23.848\n就 是 差 這 裡 啦 ! 因 為 蔡 英 文 講 處 理 兩 岸 關 係 是 根 據 中 華 民 國 憲 法 P l u s 兩 岸 人 民 關 係 條 例 賴 清 德 沒 有 講 這 個 沒 有 講 兩 岸 人 民 關 係 條 例 那 是 在 梁 文 傑 補 充 的\n\n04:35.067 --> 04:47.429\n這 個 我 們 上 個 禮 拜 的 記 者 會 就 講 過 了 你 把 它 延 伸 的 問 題 人 家 你 是 正 式 的 就 職 員 說 這 麼 重 要 的 就 職 員 說 兩 岸 人 民 會 議 條 例 你 不 把 它 講 出 來 他 如 果 把 這 個 補 進 來 就 沒 事 情 了 你 瞭 解 賴 總 統 嗎 他 事 後 一 定 有 惡 辱 吧 沒 台 沒 地 這 樣 就 是 怕 說 一 句 啦 你 解 讀 說 他 就 有 包 括 事 實 上 他 沒 有 講 啊\n\n05:02.375 --> 05:07.207\n公 開 場 合 正 式 的 就 職 演 說 沒 有 講 兩 岸 人 民 關 係 條 例 我 請 問 蔡 局 長 是 不 是 ?\n\n05:08.485 --> 05:31.804\n對 , 我 想 我 們 遵 守 委 員 的 解 讀 啦 , 但 我 剛 剛 在 提 醒 委 員 的 , 也 有 其 他 的 解 讀 , 像 美 國 官 方 的 解 讀 就 認 為 中 共 這 個 有 點 在 無 端 心 性 啦 , 並 沒 有 挑 釁 對 岸 , 但 是 對 岸 竟 然 有 這 種 軍 事 演 習 的 動 作 , 所 以 才 對 中 共 提 出 示 警 , 那 這 是 另 外 一 個 問 題 嗎 ? 阿 奇 怪 咧 , 阿 美 國 這 樣 說 , 美 國 應 該 , 它 在 這 個 圍 起 的 時 候 , 美 國 應 該 去 圍 中 共 的 這 個 軍 機 啊 , 都 沒 有 看 到 它 的 航 母 在 哪 裡 啊 。\n\n05:32.805 --> 05:33.345\n臺 灣 人 民 的 感 情 而 已\n\n05:52.315 --> 05:52.335\n其 實 ﹖\n\n06:22.110 --> 06:33.782\n老 公 這 樣 哈 咧 哈 咧 喔 我 都 嫉 妒 啦 , 賴 清 德 總 統 有 點 退 縮 囉 有 硬 的 硬 , 越 硬 , 軟 的 越 軟 了 開 始 說 欸 , 陸 生 可 以 來 台 灣 了\n\n06:36.972 --> 07:06.112\n路 深 來 台 灣 這 個 是 我 們 一 貫 的 政 策 我 們 去 年 甚 至 為 了 歡 迎 路 深 我 們 把 這 個 路 深 納 入 健 保 這 個 長 年 以 來 的 問 題 都 解 決 了 所 以 這 個 路 深 的 政 策 其 實 是 蔡 總 統 跟 賴 總 統 都 是 一 貫 的 謝 謝 你 要 不 要 再 加 一 個 現 在 敖 代 普 的 旅 遊 業 最 盼 望 就 是 6 月 1 號 開 始 的 進 附 陸 團 把 它 取 消 掉 附 陸 團 的 禁 止 令 把 它 取 消\n\n07:08.073 --> 07:20.084\n這 個 部 分 我 們 都 會 在 處 理 中 , 處 理 規 劃 中 有 機 會 嗎 ? 有 沒 有 機 會 ? 具 體 的 部 分 要 由 交 通 部 來 回 答 , 但 是 我 必 須 說\n\n07:23.968 --> 07:24.648\n那 個 蔡 局 長 你 認 同 不 認 同 這 時 候 如 果 把\n\n07:53.604 --> 08:06.754\n附 陸 團 的 禁 止 令 取 消 掉 對 於 兩 岸 關 係 的 緩 和 有 幫 助 委 員 這 問 題 涉 及 到 兩 岸 政 策 跟 公 安 政 策 陸 委 會 跟 交 通 部 的 執 掌 我 們 尊 重 相 關 政 府 部 門 的 規 劃\n\n08:09.502 --> 08:36.598\n昨 天 看 到 一 個 東 西 我 就 覺 得 怎 麼 會 說 美 國 精 準 預 測 俄 烏 戰 爭 的 智 庫 學 者 叫 阿 皮 羅 維 基 說 共 軍 不 到 一 個 小 時 就 可 以 佔 領 台 灣 你 同 意 嗎 ? 昨 天 早 上 媒 體 也 在 問 這 個 問 題 我 們 對 於 各 種 外 國 政 府 機 構 或 民 間 智 庫 有 關 台 海 情 勢 的 分 析 我 們 都 有 在 注 意 我 們 本 身 也 跟 國 安 單 位 跟 國 防 部 也 透 過 聯 合 請 假 你 要 講 一 下 嗎 ? 絕 對 不 可 能\n\n08:37.979 --> 08:38.840\n最 後 一 小 點 , 他 5 月 2 3 號 的 一 個 演 習 , 你 什 麼 時 候 知 道 ?\n\n08:54.415 --> 09:17.880\n我 們 之 前 在 研 判 整 個 態 勢 就 認 為 他 應 該 會 有 一 些 相 關 的 事 項 對 , 但 是 那 個 t i m i n g 你 是 說 5 月 2 0 前 後 會 有 但 是 你 沒 有 做 到 t i m i n g 他 們 出 動 你 根 本 不 知 道 不 不 不 , 我 剛 也 在 跟 馬 昭 偉 做 相 關 的 說 明 他 的 船 艦 一 有 動 態 的 話 我 們 都 會 掌 握 這 一 部 分 請 委 員 放 心 但 是 5 月 2 3 這 一 次 p r e c i s e 這 一 天 你 沒 有 做 到\n\n09:19.281 --> 09:21.964\n所 以 5 1 2 3 你 有 掌 握 到 ? 有 掌 握 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