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請陳部長我們再請陳部長大家好\n部長恭喜你520之後你正式成為蔡政府的首位農業部長那本席也期許你會來對我們提升我們臺灣農業的這個競爭力有所貢獻那在521的時候你特別也有召開我們農業政策的這個願景的一個記者會你特別提到就是\n我們的整個農業的發展在農業發展條例的你還要發展我們農業的基本法那農業的基本法在2011年的時候那時候就已經有送行政院這個草案了那但是經過了這個13年你現在提出來了這個基本法那這個基本法跟我們的農業的這個發展條例有什麼不一樣呢\n我想第一個要跟委員說明的就是農業的基本法最近一次提示在108年提到行政院那行政院那時候是說希望有更多的一個溝通那第二個部分就是\n農業現在農業發展條例有許多他是牽扯到有點作用法的部分有一部分是作用法但是農業基本法他是一個比較上位的綱領性的政策的法案他最重要就是撥劃我們整個臺灣農業的未來的一個方向那有了這個方向以後後面的每4年的中期計畫就能夠follow這樣的一個政策去做滾動的檢討然後配套的法案也可以因為這個上位的基本法有的時候\n所以部長這個基本法跟這個發展條例的位階可能就是不太一樣一個是執行方面一個是宣誓方面所以我看到可能會比較多的一些文字那在這個細節的部分應該要有一個專案再把它說清楚這樣子會比較明瞭對我們後續我想農業基本法基本上過去在108年討論了幾個議題那經過了5年其實有更多的新的議題必須去融入的\n那這個部分我想我們一定會在盡快的最短的時間之內重新去整理完了以後然後對外去做一些說明然後跟農業基本法所以應該就是用我們的專法來處理讓很多的方向會更加的明確讓大家更加的明瞭好不好我們期許這兩個是不一樣的不然的話我們農業的發展條例就等於是退場就不需要了用基本法是不是\n不是,一個是上位的政策,一個是作用法我會把它講清楚現在我們要講的就是我們的農業人口的老化這個問題你看從2018年到2023年一直逐漸的減少整個排名在工作上為什麼這個會減少\n﹗\n主委你本身也是在我們基層起來應該都很了解在農業的工作上很多會老年化就是因為年輕人不要做那年輕人來做的話我們現在年輕人都是比較數位啊有智慧啊或比較精緻化對不對那這就是要借重於我們的機器啊比如我們的機具啊農耕的機具在這方面的話是不是你在這方面有特別的一個補助方案呢\n我想我們一定會有一些特別的政策誘因那很重要的一個就是我們也調查了很多現在的青年人會回鄉有一大部分的原因是家中有他的年紀比較長的所以我怎麼樣讓年輕人進來其實農村的支持系統是很重要的我不要讓青年人只進來只是去種田\n對﹖\n所以主委要針對這方面來加強好不好?一定的補助、誘因給他們尤其是他們現在要精緻化很多的收割比如是撒農藥啦或是收割的時候也可以用機器的部分這就要補助他們農機具的部分對農機具的部分我想我們會透過這種農事服務業或是大的集團產權去處理\n像我們桃園就已經有青農團了,他們就有代工了,有青農團,所以這方面請主委再更加的深化,更加的去努力來輔導他們,讓他們能夠青年能夠返鄉耕農,也能讓青農能夠有所發展,穩定的收入是非常的重要接下來想討論就是,主委特別有提到這個漁電共生,漁電共生最主要是地主\n還有太陽能的這個產業還有一個就是養殖業對不對是那我們現在看到我們的整個條例裡面的發展地主跟養殖業必須他們都是有是租地的問題對不對那如果說養殖業會不會被犧牲的問題這就很重要因為如果說地主要把這個土地租給這個光電的這個產業的話那養殖業他如果不簽約他不同意的話他\n就會被犧牲掉了是不是這樣子?我想其實您講得非常對就是現在光電業者有一個關卡就是光電業者、養殖業者跟地主之間的認同跟他的一個意願\n所以我們有一些相關的規範指引在做這個部分第二個部分更重要就是說我們也擔心就是說光電業者一開始說我要種我會種什麼種什麼講得很漂亮可是當你光電一送電以後他就不理他了所以我們有後面的這些集合的團隊\n我們現在有一個比較好的一個一個輔導團隊去做一個我們有一個檢核表齁\n委員會議員\n而不是一對一,現在都是一對一那一對一的困難度會比較高那未來如果說光電板下的這些餘溫能夠用集團經營、共同經營的方式那相對我覺得是一個雙贏的政策所以主委我本期要提醒就是你要重視到這個養殖業的工作權你現在今天講的是餘電共生你這個共生不能名存實亡\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.447 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以 因 為 這 個 上 位 的 基 本 法 有 的 時 候\n\n01:48.303 --> 02:07.675\n所 以 部 長 這 個 基 本 法 跟 這 個 發 展 條 例 的 位 階 可 能 就 是 不 太 一 樣 一 個 是 執 行 方 面 一 個 是 宣 誓 方 面 所 以 我 看 到 可 能 會 比 較 多 的 一 些 文 字 那 在 這 個 細 節 的 部 分 應 該 要 有 一 個 專 案 再 把 它 說 清 楚 這 樣 子 會 比 較 明 瞭 對 我 們 後 續 我 想 農 業 基 本 法 基 本 上 過 去 在 1 0 8 年 討 論 了 幾 個 議 題 那 經 過 了 5 年 其 實 有 更 多 的 新 的 議 題 必 須 去 融 入 的\n\n02:17.341 --> 02:42.846\n那 這 個 部 分 我 想 我 們 一 定 會 在 盡 快 的 最 短 的 時 間 之 內 重 新 去 整 理 完 了 以 後 然 後 對 外 去 做 一 些 說 明 然 後 跟 農 業 基 本 法 所 以 應 該 就 是 用 我 們 的 專 法 來 處 理 讓 很 多 的 方 向 會 更 加 的 明 確 讓 大 家 更 加 的 明 瞭 好 不 好 我 們 期 許 這 兩 個 是 不 一 樣 的 不 然 的 話 我 們 農 業 的 發 展 條 例 就 等 於 是 退 場 就 不 需 要 了 用 基 本 法 是 不 是\n\n02:43.226 --> 02:48.328\n不 是 , 一 個 是 上 位 的 政 策 , 一 個 是 作 用 法 我 會 把 它 講 清 楚 現 在 我 們 要 講 的 就 是 我 們 的 農 業 人 口 的 老 化 這 個 問 題 你 看 從 2 0 1 8 年 到 2 0 2 3 年 一 直 逐 漸 的 減 少 整 個 排 名 在 工 作 上 為 什 麼 這 個 會 減 少\n\n03:29.342 --> 03:53.684\n主 委 你 本 身 也 是 在 我 們 基 層 起 來 應 該 都 很 了 解 在 農 業 的 工 作 上 很 多 會 老 年 化 就 是 因 為 年 輕 人 不 要 做 那 年 輕 人 來 做 的 話 我 們 現 在 年 輕 人 都 是 比 較 數 位 啊 有 智 慧 啊 或 比 較 精 緻 化 對 不 對 那 這 就 是 要 借 重 於 我 們 的 機 器 啊 比 如 我 們 的 機 具 啊 農 耕 的 機 具 在 這 方 面 的 話 是 不 是 你 在 這 方 面 有 特 別 的 一 個 補 助 方 案 呢\n\n03:54.204 --> 04:18.741\n我 想 我 們 一 定 會 有 一 些 特 別 的 政 策 誘 因 那 很 重 要 的 一 個 就 是 我 們 也 調 查 了 很 多 現 在 的 青 年 人 會 回 鄉 有 一 大 部 分 的 原 因 是 家 中 有 他 的 年 紀 比 較 長 的 所 以 我 怎 麼 樣 讓 年 輕 人 進 來 其 實 農 村 的 支 持 系 統 是 很 重 要 的 我 不 要 讓 青 年 人 只 進 來 只 是 去 種 田\n\n04:40.686 --> 04:44.889\n所 以 主 委 要 針 對 這 方 面 來 加 強 好 不 好 ? 一 定 的 補 助 、 誘 因 給 他 們 尤 其 是 他 們 現 在 要 精 緻 化 很 多 的 收 割 比 如 是 撒 農 藥 啦 或 是 收 割 的 時 候 也 可 以 用 機 器 的 部 分 這 就 要 補 助 他 們 農 機 具 的 部 分 對 農 機 具 的 部 分 我 想 我 們 會 透 過 這 種 農 事 服 務 業 或 是 大 的 集 團 產 權 去 處 理\n\n04:59.480 --> 05:24.747\n像 我 們 桃 園 就 已 經 有 青 農 團 了 , 他 們 就 有 代 工 了 , 有 青 農 團 , 所 以 這 方 面 請 主 委 再 更 加 的 深 化 , 更 加 的 去 努 力 來 輔 導 他 們 , 讓 他 們 能 夠 青 年 能 夠 返 鄉 耕 農 , 也 能 讓 青 農 能 夠 有 所 發 展 , 穩 定 的 收 入 是 非 常 的 重 要 接 下 來 想 討 論 就 是 , 主 委 特 別 有 提 到 這 個 漁 電 共 生 , 漁 電 共 生 最 主 要 是 地 主\n\n05:25.735 --> 05:52.885\n還 有 太 陽 能 的 這 個 產 業 還 有 一 個 就 是 養 殖 業 對 不 對 是 那 我 們 現 在 看 到 我 們 的 整 個 條 例 裡 面 的 發 展 地 主 跟 養 殖 業 必 須 他 們 都 是 有 是 租 地 的 問 題 對 不 對 那 如 果 說 養 殖 業 會 不 會 被 犧 牲 的 問 題 這 就 很 重 要 因 為 如 果 說 地 主 要 把 這 個 土 地 租 給 這 個 光 電 的 這 個 產 業 的 話 那 養 殖 業 他 如 果 不 簽 約 他 不 同 意 的 話 他\n\n05:54.005 --> 06:08.314\n就 會 被 犧 牲 掉 了 是 不 是 這 樣 子 ? 我 想 其 實 您 講 得 非 常 對 就 是 現 在 光 電 業 者 有 一 個 關 卡 就 是 光 電 業 者 、 養 殖 業 者 跟 地 主 之 間 的 認 同 跟 他 的 一 個 意 願\n\n06:09.435 --> 06:26.616\n所 以 我 們 有 一 些 相 關 的 規 範 指 引 在 做 這 個 部 分 第 二 個 部 分 更 重 要 就 是 說 我 們 也 擔 心 就 是 說 光 電 業 者 一 開 始 說 我 要 種 我 會 種 什 麼 種 什 麼 講 得 很 漂 亮 可 是 當 你 光 電 一 送 電 以 後 他 就 不 理 他 了 所 以 我 們 有 後 面 的 這 些 集 合 的 團 隊\n\n06:29.119 --> 06:29.880\n我 們 現 在 有 一 個 比 較 好 的 一 個 一 個 輔 導 團 隊 去 做 一 個 我 們 有 一 個 檢 核 表 齁\n\n06:44.921 --> 06:44.941\n委 員 會 議 員\n\n07:03.968 --> 07:27.054\n而 不 是 一 對 一 , 現 在 都 是 一 對 一 那 一 對 一 的 困 難 度 會 比 較 高 那 未 來 如 果 說 光 電 板 下 的 這 些 餘 溫 能 夠 用 集 團 經 營 、 共 同 經 營 的 方 式 那 相 對 我 覺 得 是 一 個 雙 贏 的 政 策 所 以 主 委 我 本 期 要 提 醒 就 是 你 要 重 視 到 這 個 養 殖 業 的 工 作 權 你 現 在 今 天 講 的 是 餘 電 共 生 你 這 個 共 生 不 能 名 存 實 亡\n\n07:27.814 --> 07:27.834\n好 , 謝 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