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間 嗎 那 我 想 對 經 濟 的 事 情 很 大\n\n9\n00:02:56,604 --> 00:03:17,607\n主 委 您 知 道 這 個 計 劃 嗎 ? 逃 出 大 矽 谷 計 劃 大 概 相 關 產 業 的 聚 落 產 業 的 聚 落 那 這 邊 我 跟 主 委 說 明 那 觀 光 物 流 科 技 汽 車 還 有 農 產 品 的 運 銷 運 銷 都 會 衝 擊 到 都 會 影 響 到 所 以 請 主 委 還 有 我 們 公 共 工 程 會 要 重 視 這 個 問 題\n\n10\n00:03:19,934 --> 00:03:46,352\n那 在 工 程 會 的 報 告 第 7 也 有 提 到 歸 納 流 標 的 原 因 還 有 提 出 因 應 的 作 為 那 也 宣 稱 近 年 近 年 兩 次 內 的 招 標 率 有 提 升 可 是 立 法 院 去 年 1 0 月 有 提 出 1 1 3 預 算 評 估 報 告 指 出 這 兩 年 為 決 標 的 工 程 採 購 案 件 流 標 流 廢 標 的 情 形 是 递 增 的 主 委 有 掌 握 到 這 個 情 形 嗎\n\n11\n00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:49,423\n相 關 主 幹 來 說 明\n\n12\n00:03:53,263 --> 00:03:53,483\nO K , 好\n\n13\n00:04:23,477 --> 00:04:38,402\n主 委 工 程 會 是 3 1 個 部 會 中 唯 一 的 標 記 尚 未 改 組 的 單 位 那 歷 年 公 共 工 程 金 費 約 7 0 0 0 億 元 主 委 能 維 護 工 程 會 必 須 具 備 極 高 專 業 還 有 統 合 能 力 以 及 完 善 的 採 購 流 程 嗎 我 想 這 個 關 於\n\n14\n00:04:46,233 --> 00:05:09,843\n工 程 會 的 任 務 在 工 程 會 組 織 條 例 裡 面 已 經 相 當 清 楚 了 對 各 部 會 可 以 協 調 相 關 列 管 的 公 共 工 程 我 想 我 很 珍 惜 我 這 個 工 作 我 會 跟 我 的 團 隊 全 力 來 達 成 法 規 所 賦 予 的 責 任 跟 全 力 來 完 成 相 關 的 公 共 建 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力 以 及 完 善 的 採 購 流 程 嗎 我 想 這 個 關 於\n\n04:46.233 --> 05:09.843\n工 程 會 的 任 務 在 工 程 會 組 織 條 例 裡 面 已 經 相 當 清 楚 了 對 各 部 會 可 以 協 調 相 關 列 管 的 公 共 工 程 我 想 我 很 珍 惜 我 這 個 工 作 我 會 跟 我 的 團 隊 全 力 來 達 成 法 規 所 賦 予 的 責 任 跟 全 力 來 完 成 相 關 的 公 共 建 設\n\n05:12.208 --> 05:36.618\n是 因 為 最 重 要 的 功 能 是 要 依 公 平 還 有 公 開 的 政 府 採 購 程 序 那 採 購 的 效 率 還 有 功 能 以 確 保 採 購 的 品 質 我 要 以 今 年 4 月 為 例 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 這 邊 有 被 踢 爆 的 警 用 背 心 瑕 疵 的 採 購 案 警 政 組 雖 然 有 解 釋 招 標 程 序 都 符 合 規 定 但 是 採 購 品 質 不 佳 是 事 實 恐 怕 會 造 成 危 害 員 警 的 安 全 那 工 程 會 這 邊 有 沒 有 去 檢 討 過 去 的 採 購 法 還 有 流 程\n\n05:40.100 --> 06:07.809\n各 位 我 請 相 關 主 管 來 說 明 跟 委 員 報 告 有 關 於 防 彈 衣 的 採 購 這 個 部 分 那 因 為 委 員 去 年 之 前 有 指 導 所 以 我 們 有 發 文 給 防 彈 衣 的 採 購 機 關 從 源 頭 的 招 絕 標 的 策 略 還 有 旅 業 管 理 包 括 要 用 樣 本 的 方 式 去 做 確 認 旅 業 品 質 這 些 等 等 我 們 有 一 套 機 制 給 各 機 關 去 處 理\n\n06:09.502 --> 06:36.788\n那 有 沒 有 檢 討 招 標 審 核 過 程 中 有 問 題 呢 ? 報 告 這 個 就 是 我 們 因 為 原 來 是 用 最 低 標 所 以 我 們 建 議 他 用 最 有 利 標 然 後 讓 他 選 好 的 廠 商 那 這 後 續 的 責 任 還 有 歸 屬 怎 麼 去 做 審 核 跟 檢 討 ? 後 續 的 責 任 因 為 這 個 是 招 標 機 關 和 招 標 機 關 的 上 級 他 們 會 去 檢 討 他 們 的 責 任 那 我 們 主 要 是 避 免 以 後 再 發 生 這 種 事 情\n\n06:37.533 --> 06:37.715\n主 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