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計 2 9 部 會 , 不 再 設 置 工 程 會 。 原 本 的 工 程 會 被 拆 分 移 撥 到 財 政 部 國 發 會 以 及 原 本 要 成 立 的 交 通 建 設 部 。\n\n4\n00:01:07,975 --> 00:01:36,716\n第 二 次 是 2 0 1 8 年 賴 清 德 擔 任 行 政 院 長 期 間 先 確 定 工 程 會 業 務 不 拆 分 又 將 工 程 會 業 務 全 數 併 入 國 發 會 那 最 近 一 次 提 出 是 蘇 貞 昌 任 內 展 示 行 政 總 署 研 議 成 立 行 政 院 公 共 工 程 總 署 為 行 政 院 專 業 工 程 幕 僚 機 關 不 必 再 修 裝 組 織 基 準 法 那 要 先 救 教 主 委 賴 清 德 總 統 曾 提 出 的 併 入 國 發 會 或 蘇 貞 昌 前 院 長 提 出 的 行 政 院 公 共 工 程 總 署 您 認 同 哪 一 個\n\n5\n00:01:38,899 --> 00:02:04,433\n謝 謝 委 員 的 指 教 我 想 工 程 會 的 主 改 問 題 是 政 策 決 定 的 我 個 人 擔 任 這 個 職 務 所 以 目 前 我 沒 有 對 這 幾 個 案 並 沒 有 個 人 的 看 法 也 沒 有 評 論 對 於 該 金 德 總 統 所 提 出 的 或 是 蘇 貞 昌 院 長 所 提 的 這 就 被 動 接 受 就 不 予 評 論\n\n6\n00:02:06,308 --> 00:02:24,919\n好 那 沒 關 係 那 我 再 接 著 就 叫 主 委 因 為 你 的 經 歷 是 非 常 豐 富 阿 擔 任 過 宜 蘭 縣 的 代 理 縣 長 高 雄 市 副 市 長 還 有 國 營 事 業 的 中 游 董 事 長 那 所 以 因 為 這 些 原 因 阿 你 找 了 兩 位 副 手 那 這 些 副 手 的 資 歷 也 都 非 常 的 非 常 的 豐 富 那\n\n7\n00:02:26,359 --> 00:02:48,515\n這 個 部 分 一 個 是 高 雄 市 政 府 的 時 候 任 職 的 禮 儀 的 副 主 委 嘛 現 在 副 主 另 外 一 位 是 這 個 簡 介 中 可 以 看 到 他 是 擅 長 於 土 地 開 發 相 關 工 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他 驗 收 不 合 格 而 他 也 認 識 很 多 的 大 哥 阿 他 也 查 過 陳 班 仁 的 底 阿\n\n13\n00:04:38,795 --> 00:05:05,403\n那 結 果 這 樣 子 的 一 個 律 師 現 在 還 在 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 的 採 購 申 訴 審 議 委 員 會 當 委 員 那 想 請 問 一 下 那 主 委 目 前 對 於 這 樣 子 的 人 士 之 前 要 說 處 理 那 現 在 處 理 的 進 度 會 怎 麼 樣 謝 謝 委 員 那 麼 跟 委 員 報 告 啊 那 麼 工 程 會 已 經 先 暫 停 王 晉 堯 委 員 他 關 於 這 個 採 購 申 訴 委 員 會 他 的 任 務 了 那 麼 也 含 情 公 安 部 說 明 相 關 案 情\n\n14\n00:05:08,373 --> 00:05:33,692\n好 那 就 暫 停 那 暫 停 之 後 後 面 的 處 置 勒 就 是 暫 停 就 好 嗎 因 為 那 個 委 員 會 暫 停 就 不 派 發 任 務 嘛 那 麼 他 就 不 會 接 觸 到 相 關 政 府 採 購 的 禮 業 爭 議 他 的 申 訴 跟 調 解 相 關 的 業 務 我 還 是 本 期 還 是 在 這 裡 表 示 就 是 說 如 果 今 天 來 講 他 在 對 一 個 國 防 部 的 承 辦 人 也 是 用 這 樣 子 嗆 聲 恐 嚇 的 方 式 而 只 是 做 一 個 暫 停\n\n15\n00:05:34,232 --> 00:05:49,405\n拜 公 派 任 務 的 這 樣 子 的 的 決 定 喔 我 覺 得 這 樣 子 的 處 罰 或 是 這 種 處 置 上 可 能 這 個 部 分 社 會 各 界 其 實 還 沒 有 辦 法 充 分 的 幸 福 那 主 委 再 思 考 一 下 怎 麼 做 有 更 好 的 方 式 那 再 來\n\n16\n00:05:50,126 --> 00:06:09,425\n主 委 您 的 過 去 的 這 經 歷 也 是 非 常 豐 富 的 所 以 說 其 實 有 時 候 啊 黨 外 的 朋 友 有 時 候 比 黨 內 的 還 要 好 有 時 候 因 為 黨 內 的 還 是 有 很 多 的 一 些 訊 息 都 會 流 通 來 流 通 去 那 所 以 就 有 人 跟 我 提 到 就 是 因 為 你 那 時 候 擔 任 全 國 的 信 賴 之 友 會 秘 書 長\n\n17\n00:06:32,139 --> 00:06:43,410\n包 括 賴 清 德 總 統 的 這 些 企 業 但 是 現 在 你 的 角 色 擔 任 的 是 這 個 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 主 委 你 要 如 何 來 讓 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 的 未 來 的 標 案 都 能 夠 至 清 跟 避 嫌\n\n18\n00:06:47,695 --> 00:07:08,150\n謝 謝 委 員 的 關 心 我 想 我 的 工 作 一 定 是 依 法 行 政 何 況 公 共 工 程 會 並 沒 有 辦 理 政 府 採 購 我 們 是 政 府 採 購 法 的 主 管 機 關 並 沒 有 直 接 辦 理 政 府 採 購 沒 關 係 那 因 為 您 是 一 個 重 要 的 一 個 橋 樑 但 是 沒 關 係 這 個 後 面 看 您 的 表 情 都 是 可 以 被\n\n19\n00:07:08,891 --> 00:07:30,646\n被 來 檢 視 的 那 最 後 直 接 就 叫 您 那 這 個 高 雄 榮 大 的 獨 立 董 事 跟 可 寧 位 的 部 分 那 你 預 計 什 麼 時 候 會 辭 掉 這 民 間 企 業 的 這 個 職 務 報 告 我 就 任 之 前 都 已 經 辭 掉 這 樣 的 職 務 了 那 我 跟 你 講 一 下 這 榮 大 營 建 還 公 開 的 網 路 上 面 還 說 您 是 獨 立 董 事\n\n20\n00:07:31,929 --> 00:07:46,971\n那 你 就 直 接 通 知 他 們 網 站 上 做 修 正 他 已 經 都 有 報 相 關 主 管 機 關 現 在 高 雄 市 政 府 當 然 都 撤 銷 這 個 在 我 就 職 之 前 都 已 經 辦 理 完 畢 我 相 信 你 但 是 網 站 上 還 公 告 著 所 以 說 再 通 知 是 壟 大 吧 謝 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那就暫停 那暫停之後後面的處置勒 就是暫停就好嗎因為那個委員會暫停就不派發任務嘛 那麼他就不會接觸到相關政府採購的禮業爭議他的申訴跟調解相關的業務我還是本期還是在這裡表示就是說 如果今天來講他在對一個國防部的承辦人也是用這樣子嗆聲恐嚇的方式 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