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足 所 以 流 標 幾 次 的 這 個 工 程 非 常 的 多\n\n9\n00:03:04,755 --> 00:03:27,145\n那 本 席 的 轄 區 裡 面 不 管 是 淡 北 聯 外 道 路 不 管 是 林 口 交 流 道 雖 然 現 在 招 標 出 去 但 過 去 也 有 留 標 了 七 次 六 次 而 延 宕 的 時 間 那 所 以 說 這 不 是 一 個 個 案 問 題 這 是 通 案 問 題 本 席 為 什 麼 突 然 特 別 提 到 就 是 因 為 你 整 本 報 告 裡 面 沒 有 提 沒 有 講 到 這 樣 的 一 個 部 分 我 特 別 看 了 一 下\n\n10\n00:03:28,973 --> 00:03:34,501\n主 委 我 覺 得 這 個 是 應 該 要 由 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 主 委 特 別 去 重 視 的 問 題 您 同 意 嗎\n\n11\n00:03:36,890 --> 00:04:04,424\n我 們 當 然 相 當 重 視 所 以 針 對 若 干 個 案 有 缺 工 也 會 協 調 行 政 院 來 提 高 專 案 移 工 的 引 進 缺 的 問 題 據 我 所 了 解 針 對 南 部 沙 石 的 採 售 也 協 調 相 關 辦 理 輸 進 的 機 關 跟 業 者 讓 售 價 格 一 致 讓 這 個 沙 石 的 供 應 不 是 斷 料 那 麼 工 程 會 一 直 很 認 真 在 協 調 這 些 事 情\n\n12\n00:04:06,474 --> 00:04:32,571\n各 位 本 席 希 望 真 的 是 要 做 實 事 把 這 個 民 間 所 關 心 的 問 題 給 放 在 心 裡 第 二 個 部 分 我 覺 得 要 跟 你 就 教 一 下 說 這 個 橋 樑 的 安 全 我 特 別 有 看 到 一 下 你 在 報 告 的 第 8 頁 抽 查 公 共 建 築 有 效 使 用 狀 況 那 預 計 會 來 做 定 時 的 一 個 抽 查 那 以 及 在 抽 查 橋 樑 維 護 管 理 情 形\n\n13\n00:04:33,755 --> 00:04:59,117\n今 年 抽 查 8 件 特 殊 的 橋 樑 維 護 管 理 但 我 們 全 國 到 目 前 為 止 總 共 橋 樑 是 3 萬 多 座 那 你 在 這 個 部 分 我 們 身 為 一 個 中 央 主 管 機 關 一 年 抽 查 8 件 符 合 比 例 原 則 嗎 能 不 能 確 保 全 國 的 這 個 橋 樑 的 一 個 安 全 我 請 主 管 來 說 明\n\n14\n00:05:02,134 --> 00:05:27,476\n向 委 員 報 告 現 在 目 前 全 國 的 橋 樑 有 兩 萬 五 千 余 座 那 其 實 在 整 個 這 個 圍 管 的 一 個 機 制 部 分 行 政 院 定 有 這 個 這 個 橋 樑 管 理 要 點 那 主 管 部 會 分 別 有 交 通 部 內 政 部 都 有 各 自 的 一 個 部 分 那 工 程 會 也 會 在 這 個 年 度 呢 也 會 另 外 再 增 加 一 些 抽 查 所 以 原 本 就 已 經 既 有 的 機 制 下\n\n15\n00:05:27,776 --> 00:05:32,576\n原 本 抽 查 8 件 嘛 , 你 第 8 頁 的 報 告 是 8 件 那 你 還 要 再 增 加\n\n16\n00:05:33,829 --> 00:05:58,114\n還 是 八 件 已 經 是 增 加 ? 八 件 。 就 是 八 件 ? 是 。 那 原 有 在 . . . 不 管 是 我 之 前 媒 體 的 資 料 講 說 全 國 有 三 萬 多 座 橋 樑 或 是 你 剛 講 兩 萬 五 千 多 座 橋 樑 我 當 然 知 道 各 地 方 主 管 機 關 有 一 些 是 內 政 部 主 管 有 一 些 是 消 防 部 主 管 我 當 然 了 解 啊 但 是 重 點 就 在 於 是 說 過 去 南 方 澳 的 這 個 大 橋 斷 裂 的 時 候 不 也 是 這 樣 嗎 ?\n\n17\n00:05:59,494 --> 00:06:23,040\n大 家 就 解 釋 說 那 是 地 方 政 府 主 管 的 所 以 說 就 沒 有 人 去 管 理 那 他 就 突 然 斷 裂 了 所 以 才 要 抽 查 機 制 為 什 麼 要 抽 查 機 制 他 就 是 一 個 盤 點 他 就 是 一 個 再 確 認 當 全 國 兩 萬 五 千 多 座 或 三 萬 座 橋 樑 在 的 時 候 我 們 公 共 工 程 委 員 會 他 能 夠 做 一 個 及 時 的 盤 點 那 我 只 想 問 一 年 如 果 說 只 有 八 件 的 橋 樑 抽 查\n\n18\n00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:33,036\n那 我 們 怎 麼 有 辦 法 確 保 各 地 方 政 府 主 管 機 關 不 管 是 交 通 部 管 內 政 部 他 們 所 維 護 的 橋 樑 都 是 安 全 的\n\n19\n00:06:34,434 --> 00:07:03,242\n委 員 報 告 那 麼 多 橋 樑 分 屬 不 同 主 管 機 關 那 麼 也 有 維 護 單 位 那 麼 這 些 機 關 還 有 上 級 機 關 他 們 就 持 續 在 按 照 他 們 的 計 畫 在 抽 查 當 中 所 以 並 非 全 國 2 萬 多 個 橋 樑 只 抽 查 8 件 不 是 那 工 程 會 本 來 工 程 會 的 職 責 那 麼 在 施 工 中 或 者 是 說 使 用 中 那 工 程 會 抽 樣 是 進 比 方 說 比 較 重 要 的 危 牢 的 去 抽 查 所 以 整 個 抽 查 各 機 關 各 部 位 都 在 進 行 中\n\n20\n00:07:05,564 --> 00:07:20,104\n主 委 這 樣 回 覆 我 姑 且 信 之 請 主 委 是 不 是 能 夠 在 一 個 禮 拜 裡 面 提 供 本 席 整 理 相 關 的 資 料 交 通 部 內 政 部 相 關 部 會 他 們 今 年 的 抽 查 狀 況\n\n21\n00:07:22,681 --> 00:07:35,612\n我 會 請 這 個 工 程 會 跟 交 通 部 來 協 調 , 請 交 通 部 提 供 資 料 好 , 那 就 一 個 禮 拜 裡 面 提 供 , 可 以 嗎 ? 好 , 謝 謝 好 , 主 委 一 個 禮 拜 裡 面 提 供 , 可 以 嗎 ?\n\n22\n00:07:38,052 --> 00:07:38,873\n謝 謝 洪 孟 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