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2 2 年 相 較 核 電 發 電 量 還 高 出 將 近 3 0 % 來 到 2 8 % 相 關 的 負 載 率 已 經 有 顯 著 提 升 甚 至 我 們 再 看 國 際 能 源 總 屬 還 預 測 在 2 0 2 5 年 再 生 能 源 將 超 越 燃 煤 成 為 全 球 最 主 要 的 動 力 來 源\n\n11\n00:04:04,918 --> 00:04:31,795\n也 就 是 說 所 有 這 些 再 生 能 源 發 電 逐 年 上 升 加 上 核 電 逐 年 下 降 這 個 綜 合 起 來 看 你 們 認 為 我 想 請 經 濟 部 回 答 這 樣 的 國 際 趨 勢 是 不 是 在 經 濟 部 的 相 關 能 源 政 策 裡 面 是 有 確 實 掌 握 到 的 我 們 所 知 道 的 部 分 就 是 全 球 現 在 是 邁 向 2 0 5 0 淨 零 碳 排 綠 能 還 是 一 個 很 重 要 的 邁 向 2 0 5 0 淨 零 碳 排 的 主 要 的 一 個 這 個 解 決 的 方 案\n\n12\n00:04:33,475 --> 00:05:01,447\n這 樣 的 方 案 對 於 臺 灣 的 產 業 發 展 有 什 麼 樣 的 好 處 ? 尤 其 是 臺 灣 有 大 量 的 出 口 產 業 我 想 它 有 直 接 的 跟 間 接 的 一 個 好 處 直 接 的 部 分 當 然 是 我 們 對 綠 能 不 僅 僅 提 供 低 碳 無 碳 的 能 源 而 能 帶 起 新 興 的 產 業 比 如 說 綠 能 有 相 關 的 新 興 產 業 另 外 一 個 間 接 的 部 分 就 是 說 我 們 用 到 綠 能 的 產 業 他 們 也 可 以 更 多 的 無 碳 的 能 源 來 拓 展 國 際 的 市 場\n\n13\n00:05:02,688 --> 00:05:05,470\n這 樣 的 市 場 對 於 台 灣 出 口 產 業 確 實 是 有 很 大 幫 助 在 國 際 趨 勢 底 下 好 我 們 來 看 每 次 只 要 講 到 國 際 趨 勢 就 有 很 多 國 際 資 訊 會 被 誤 用 往 下 看 下 一 個 在 去 年 1 2 月 C O B R 2 8 大 會 期 間 各 國 對 於 能 源 使 用 有 一 些 討 論 在 場 外 有 美 國 我 說 的 是 場 外\n\n14\n00:05:21,158 --> 00:05:47,094\n美 國 有 2 2 個 擁 核 國 家 說 2 0 5 0 年 核 能 發 電 量 會 增 加 3 倍 可 是 我 們 如 果 仔 細 去 看 那 個 內 文 會 發 現 其 實 這 不 是 當 時 會 議 的 正 式 決 議 事 實 上 正 式 的 大 會 結 論 是 說 歐 盟 還 有 1 1 8 個 國 家 將 發 起 再 生 能 源 和 能 源 效 率 全 球 承 諾 要 在 2 0 3 0 年 把 全 球 再 生 能 源 容 量 增 為 3 倍\n\n15\n00:05:48,215 --> 00:06:11,434\n全 球 平 均 能 源 效 率 提 高 率 增 為 兩 倍 所 以 關 於 再 生 能 源 的 承 諾 跟 大 家 願 意 去 實 踐 去 努 力 去 規 劃 這 應 該 才 是 全 球 共 識 吧 這 邊 可 不 可 以 請 次 長 回 答 一 下 也 跟 大 家 做 個 說 明 我 剛 剛 在 報 告 裡 面 有 提 到 說 我 們 有 看 到 國 際 的 能 源 總 數 推 估 核 能 的 發 電 占 比 在 2 0 3 0 年 是 1 0 % 2 0 5 0 年 是 8 % 那 我 們 是 依 照 這 個 國 際 的 統 計 資 料 來 做 一 個 說 明 這 樣 子\n\n16\n00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:17,059\n﹝ 講 解 ﹞\n\n17\n00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:47,940\n雙 核 醫 院 影 像 醫 學 部 懷 孕 女 醫 師 移 遭 職 場 霸 凌\n\n18\n00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:37,291\n強 迫 連 續 上 班 3 2 個 小 時 而 且 暴 露 在 游 離 輻 射 環 境 工 作 這 個 事 件 核 安 會 清 楚 嗎 ? 清 楚 那 我 們 辦 公 室 跟 核 安 會 服 防 組 還 有 勞 動 部 指 安 署 所 知 我 們 發 現 有 個 框 框 這 邊 我 特 別 框 起 來 主 委 請 您 看 一 下 相 關 的 資 料 顯 示 出 來 勞 工 健 檢 目 前 有 第 三 級 的 情 況 請 問 主 委 您 可 以 說 明 一 下 什 麼 是 所 謂 的 第 三 級 嗎 ?\n\n19\n00:07:44,208 --> 00:07:53,698\n每 年 的 一 個 核 能 體 檢 的 裡 頭 都 會 去 做 一 個 工 作 上 的 一 些 健 康 的 識 別 度 那 這 個 是 由 專 業 的 醫 生 來 去 做 的\n\n20\n00:07:58,353 --> 00:08:01,476\n好 , 你 剛 剛 講 的 聽 起 來 好 像 沒 有 什 麼 可 是 我 來 唸 給 你 聽 在 你 們 的 說 明 當 中 你 們 說 特 殊 健 康 檢 查 或 是 健 康 追 蹤 檢 查 結 果 部 分 或 全 部 項 目 異 常 經 過 醫 師 綜 合 判 定 為 異 常 而 無 法 確 定 此 異 常 與 工 作 之 相 關 性\n\n21\n00:08:15,669 --> 00:08:36,303\n應 該 進 一 步 請 職 業 醫 學 科 專 科 醫 師 評 估 換 言 之 不 能 排 除 身 體 健 檢 異 常 與 工 作 無 關 而 且 實 務 上 要 留 意 跟 追 蹤 為 什 麼 我 剛 剛 說 這 一 位 醫 師 他 的 工 作 情 況 跟 游 離 輻 射 我 們 這 邊 認 為 如 果 特 殊 健 檢 的 結 果 是 第 三 級 的 管 理 機 制 那 這 邊 核 安 會 是 不 是 應 該 要 有 更 積 極 的 相 關 追 蹤\n\n22\n00:08:38,746 --> 00:09:04,338\n我 們 核 安 會 都 有 去 介 入 那 目 前 你 們 追 蹤 的 進 度 關 於 這 個 個 案 或 者 是 其 他 的 案 例 這 部 分 我 們 會 是 其 他 的 相 關 工 作 人 員 對 我 們 會 再 去 就 是 再 去 要 求 我 們 的 設 施 經 營 者 也 就 是 雇 主 要 必 須 要 對 他 的 一 個 健 康 來 去 做 一 個 一 個 追 蹤 然 後 如 果 是 有 有 跟 職 業 有 關 係 的 那 就 會 去 調 整 所 謂 的 一 些 一 些 相 關 的 一 個 輻 射 作 業\n\n23\n00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:05,799\n謝 謝 各 位 。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8300\t9163\t主席、主委、經濟部次長\n16229\t39404\t好主委早安次長早安我們就直接切入重點時間有限那主委我想要直接請教您核安會是三級獨立機構對吧好那所以你們最重要的工作就是要確保臺灣的核能輻射還有放射性物料的安全所以如果我說沒有核安就沒有核電延役這句話是否成立\n40117\t68871\t完全正確好那我們要如何讓國人理解這個概念所謂的安全我們到底在意的最在意的是什麼就是要我們要把所有的程序走完合乎法令那麼我們按照所有的法規的規範去做整密的研析那麼我們核安會會在每一個階段來做完全的把關\n70486\t96800\t好 這個把關的部分如果是交由核安會所以我想核安會會一再的為國人把關相關核安的安全對嗎好 我想這個部分國人對於核安會的期待非常非常的明顯非常非常的重要所以我們來看一下如果用這個角度往下來看呢關於目前核電的使用還有核電廠延役的問題我們一直認為不能只是如同很多在野黨委員所說的從單一國家的案例來看\n97640\t98161\t可否請主委回答一下?\n113103\t135817\t我想每一個國家都有自己能源的考量那麼我們在報告裡面花了很多時間來論述這個整個世界各個國家的趨勢跟他的想法那麼能源政策我想還是由經濟部就統一就國家的未來的考量來做統一的說明跟決策\n136317\t163144\t好,那我們等一下會請次長回答可是我們來看一下在2023世界核能產業現況報告裡面就說全球的核電發電量出現10年來的最大跌幅占比也下跌到40年以來的新低甚至在2022年全球核電發電量相較於2021年還下降了4%甚至可以看出這是自福島核災以來最大的降幅請問主委跟次長\n163684\t172769\t你們對於全球核電使用佔比出現新低你們認為有什麼樣的背景因素導致於全球核電發電量的下降跟使用佔比也創下新低?這個是其他國家的現況還是台灣的現況?\n192209\t220718\t您剛剛請教的部分就是全球的情形那我剛剛報告裡面有看到說有很多機組都是停業下來有些新建的機組還在新建中那我想可能是因為這個原因吧我個人推估好這是您個人推估但是我們有另外一個數據跟您分享我們來看下一頁在2023年世界核能產業現況報告裡面看到另外一個重要的資訊除了核電量往下降之外重點是非水利的再生能源發電逐漸上升甚至相較於核電它是逐年上升\n221218\t225882\t甚至在2021年和相關太陽光電還有風電的總發電量超過核電到了2022年相較核電發電量還高出將近30%來到28%相關的負載率已經有顯著提升甚至我們再看國際能源總屬還預測在2025年再生能源將超越燃煤成為全球最主要的動力來源\n244918\t271795\t也就是說所有這些再生能源發電逐年上升加上核電逐年下降這個綜合起來看你們認為我想請經濟部回答這樣的國際趨勢是不是在經濟部的相關能源政策裡面是有確實掌握到的我們所知道的部分就是全球現在是邁向2050淨零碳排綠能還是一個很重要的邁向2050淨零碳排的主要的一個這個解決的方案\n273475\t301447\t這樣的方案對於臺灣的產業發展有什麼樣的好處?尤其是臺灣有大量的出口產業我想它有直接的跟間接的一個好處直接的部分當然是我們對綠能不僅僅提供低碳無碳的能源而能帶起新興的產業比如說綠能有相關的新興產業另外一個間接的部分就是說我們用到綠能的產業他們也可以更多的無碳的能源來拓展國際的市場\n302688\t305470\t這樣的市場對於台灣出口產業確實是有很大幫助在國際趨勢底下好我們來看每次只要講到國際趨勢就有很多國際資訊會被誤用往下看下一個在去年12月COBR28大會期間各國對於能源使用有一些討論在場外有美國我說的是場外\n321158\t347094\t美國有22個擁核國家說2050年核能發電量會增加3倍可是我們如果仔細去看那個內文會發現其實這不是當時會議的正式決議事實上正式的大會結論是說歐盟還有118個國家將發起再生能源和能源效率全球承諾要在2030年把全球再生能源容量增為3倍\n348215\t371434\t全球平均能源效率提高率增為兩倍所以關於再生能源的承諾跟大家願意去實踐去努力去規劃這應該才是全球共識吧這邊可不可以請次長回答一下也跟大家做個說明我剛剛在報告裡面有提到說我們有看到國際的能源總數推估核能的發電占比在2030年是10%2050年是8%那我們是依照這個國際的統計資料來做一個說明這樣子\n377039\t377059\t﹝講解﹞\n407039\t407940\t雙核醫院影像醫學部懷孕女醫師移遭職場霸凌\n433040\t457291\t強迫連續上班32個小時而且暴露在游離輻射環境工作這個事件核安會清楚嗎?清楚那我們辦公室跟核安會服防組還有勞動部指安署所知我們發現有個框框這邊我特別框起來主委請您看一下相關的資料顯示出來勞工健檢目前有第三級的情況請問主委您可以說明一下什麼是所謂的第三級嗎?\n464208\t473698\t每年的一個核能體檢的裡頭都會去做一個工作上的一些健康的識別度那這個是由專業的醫生來去做的\n478353\t481476\t好,你剛剛講的聽起來好像沒有什麼可是我來唸給你聽在你們的說明當中你們說特殊健康檢查或是健康追蹤檢查結果部分或全部項目異常經過醫師綜合判定為異常而無法確定此異常與工作之相關性\n495669\t516303\t應該進一步請職業醫學科專科醫師評估換言之不能排除身體健檢異常與工作無關而且實務上要留意跟追蹤為什麼我剛剛說這一位醫師他的工作情況跟游離輻射我們這邊認為如果特殊健檢的結果是第三級的管理機制那這邊核安會是不是應該要有更積極的相關追蹤\n518746\t544338\t我們核安會都有去介入那目前你們追蹤的進度關於這個個案或者是其他的案例這部分我們會是其他的相關工作人員對我們會再去就是再去要求我們的設施經營者也就是雇主要必須要對他的一個健康來去做一個一個追蹤然後如果是有有跟職業有關係的那就會去調整所謂的一些一些相關的一個輻射作業\n545759\t545799\t謝謝各位。\n","txt":"主席、主委、經濟部次長\n好主委早安次長早安我們就直接切入重點時間有限那主委我想要直接請教您核安會是三級獨立機構對吧好那所以你們最重要的工作就是要確保臺灣的核能輻射還有放射性物料的安全所以如果我說沒有核安就沒有核電延役這句話是否成立\n完全正確好那我們要如何讓國人理解這個概念所謂的安全我們到底在意的最在意的是什麼就是要我們要把所有的程序走完合乎法令那麼我們按照所有的法規的規範去做整密的研析那麼我們核安會會在每一個階段來做完全的把關\n好 這個把關的部分如果是交由核安會所以我想核安會會一再的為國人把關相關核安的安全對嗎好 我想這個部分國人對於核安會的期待非常非常的明顯非常非常的重要所以我們來看一下如果用這個角度往下來看呢關於目前核電的使用還有核電廠延役的問題我們一直認為不能只是如同很多在野黨委員所說的從單一國家的案例來看\n可否請主委回答一下?\n我想每一個國家都有自己能源的考量那麼我們在報告裡面花了很多時間來論述這個整個世界各個國家的趨勢跟他的想法那麼能源政策我想還是由經濟部就統一就國家的未來的考量來做統一的說明跟決策\n好,那我們等一下會請次長回答可是我們來看一下在2023世界核能產業現況報告裡面就說全球的核電發電量出現10年來的最大跌幅占比也下跌到40年以來的新低甚至在2022年全球核電發電量相較於2021年還下降了4%甚至可以看出這是自福島核災以來最大的降幅請問主委跟次長\n你們對於全球核電使用佔比出現新低你們認為有什麼樣的背景因素導致於全球核電發電量的下降跟使用佔比也創下新低?這個是其他國家的現況還是台灣的現況?\n您剛剛請教的部分就是全球的情形那我剛剛報告裡面有看到說有很多機組都是停業下來有些新建的機組還在新建中那我想可能是因為這個原因吧我個人推估好這是您個人推估但是我們有另外一個數據跟您分享我們來看下一頁在2023年世界核能產業現況報告裡面看到另外一個重要的資訊除了核電量往下降之外重點是非水利的再生能源發電逐漸上升甚至相較於核電它是逐年上升\n甚至在2021年和相關太陽光電還有風電的總發電量超過核電到了2022年相較核電發電量還高出將近30%來到28%相關的負載率已經有顯著提升甚至我們再看國際能源總屬還預測在2025年再生能源將超越燃煤成為全球最主要的動力來源\n也就是說所有這些再生能源發電逐年上升加上核電逐年下降這個綜合起來看你們認為我想請經濟部回答這樣的國際趨勢是不是在經濟部的相關能源政策裡面是有確實掌握到的我們所知道的部分就是全球現在是邁向2050淨零碳排綠能還是一個很重要的邁向2050淨零碳排的主要的一個這個解決的方案\n這樣的方案對於臺灣的產業發展有什麼樣的好處?尤其是臺灣有大量的出口產業我想它有直接的跟間接的一個好處直接的部分當然是我們對綠能不僅僅提供低碳無碳的能源而能帶起新興的產業比如說綠能有相關的新興產業另外一個間接的部分就是說我們用到綠能的產業他們也可以更多的無碳的能源來拓展國際的市場\n這樣的市場對於台灣出口產業確實是有很大幫助在國際趨勢底下好我們來看每次只要講到國際趨勢就有很多國際資訊會被誤用往下看下一個在去年12月COBR28大會期間各國對於能源使用有一些討論在場外有美國我說的是場外\n美國有22個擁核國家說2050年核能發電量會增加3倍可是我們如果仔細去看那個內文會發現其實這不是當時會議的正式決議事實上正式的大會結論是說歐盟還有118個國家將發起再生能源和能源效率全球承諾要在2030年把全球再生能源容量增為3倍\n全球平均能源效率提高率增為兩倍所以關於再生能源的承諾跟大家願意去實踐去努力去規劃這應該才是全球共識吧這邊可不可以請次長回答一下也跟大家做個說明我剛剛在報告裡面有提到說我們有看到國際的能源總數推估核能的發電占比在2030年是10%2050年是8%那我們是依照這個國際的統計資料來做一個說明這樣子\n﹝講解﹞\n雙核醫院影像醫學部懷孕女醫師移遭職場霸凌\n強迫連續上班32個小時而且暴露在游離輻射環境工作這個事件核安會清楚嗎?清楚那我們辦公室跟核安會服防組還有勞動部指安署所知我們發現有個框框這邊我特別框起來主委請您看一下相關的資料顯示出來勞工健檢目前有第三級的情況請問主委您可以說明一下什麼是所謂的第三級嗎?\n每年的一個核能體檢的裡頭都會去做一個工作上的一些健康的識別度那這個是由專業的醫生來去做的\n好,你剛剛講的聽起來好像沒有什麼可是我來唸給你聽在你們的說明當中你們說特殊健康檢查或是健康追蹤檢查結果部分或全部項目異常經過醫師綜合判定為異常而無法確定此異常與工作之相關性\n應該進一步請職業醫學科專科醫師評估換言之不能排除身體健檢異常與工作無關而且實務上要留意跟追蹤為什麼我剛剛說這一位醫師他的工作情況跟游離輻射我們這邊認為如果特殊健檢的結果是第三級的管理機制那這邊核安會是不是應該要有更積極的相關追蹤\n我們核安會都有去介入那目前你們追蹤的進度關於這個個案或者是其他的案例這部分我們會是其他的相關工作人員對我們會再去就是再去要求我們的設施經營者也就是雇主要必須要對他的一個健康來去做一個一個追蹤然後如果是有有跟職業有關係的那就會去調整所謂的一些一些相關的一個輻射作業\n謝謝各位。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.300 --> 00:09.163\n主 席 、 主 委 、 經 濟 部 次 長\n\n00:16.229 --> 00:39.404\n好 主 委 早 安 次 長 早 安 我 們 就 直 接 切 入 重 點 時 間 有 限 那 主 委 我 想 要 直 接 請 教 您 核 安 會 是 三 級 獨 立 機 構 對 吧 好 那 所 以 你 們 最 重 要 的 工 作 就 是 要 確 保 臺 灣 的 核 能 輻 射 還 有 放 射 性 物 料 的 安 全 所 以 如 果 我 說 沒 有 核 安 就 沒 有 核 電 延 役 這 句 話 是 否 成 立\n\n00:40.117 --> 01:08.871\n完 全 正 確 好 那 我 們 要 如 何 讓 國 人 理 解 這 個 概 念 所 謂 的 安 全 我 們 到 底 在 意 的 最 在 意 的 是 什 麼 就 是 要 我 們 要 把 所 有 的 程 序 走 完 合 乎 法 令 那 麼 我 們 按 照 所 有 的 法 規 的 規 範 去 做 整 密 的 研 析 那 麼 我 們 核 安 會 會 在 每 一 個 階 段 來 做 完 全 的 把 關\n\n01:10.486 --> 01:36.800\n好 這 個 把 關 的 部 分 如 果 是 交 由 核 安 會 所 以 我 想 核 安 會 會 一 再 的 為 國 人 把 關 相 關 核 安 的 安 全 對 嗎 好 我 想 這 個 部 分 國 人 對 於 核 安 會 的 期 待 非 常 非 常 的 明 顯 非 常 非 常 的 重 要 所 以 我 們 來 看 一 下 如 果 用 這 個 角 度 往 下 來 看 呢 關 於 目 前 核 電 的 使 用 還 有 核 電 廠 延 役 的 問 題 我 們 一 直 認 為 不 能 只 是 如 同 很 多 在 野 黨 委 員 所 說 的 從 單 一 國 家 的 案 例 來 看\n\n01:37.640 --> 01:38.161\n可 否 請 主 委 回 答 一 下 ?\n\n01:53.103 --> 02:15.817\n我 想 每 一 個 國 家 都 有 自 己 能 源 的 考 量 那 麼 我 們 在 報 告 裡 面 花 了 很 多 時 間 來 論 述 這 個 整 個 世 界 各 個 國 家 的 趨 勢 跟 他 的 想 法 那 麼 能 源 政 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﹝講解﹞"},{"start":407.039,"end":407.94,"text":"雙核醫院影像醫學部懷孕女醫師移遭職場霸凌"},{"start":433.04,"end":457.291,"text":"強迫連續上班32個小時而且暴露在游離輻射環境工作這個事件核安會清楚嗎?清楚那我們辦公室跟核安會服防組還有勞動部指安署所知我們發現有個框框這邊我特別框起來主委請您看一下相關的資料顯示出來勞工健檢目前有第三級的情況請問主委您可以說明一下什麼是所謂的第三級嗎?"},{"start":464.208,"end":473.698,"text":"每年的一個核能體檢的裡頭都會去做一個工作上的一些健康的識別度那這個是由專業的醫生來去做的"},{"start":478.353,"end":481.476,"text":"好,你剛剛講的聽起來好像沒有什麼可是我來唸給你聽在你們的說明當中你們說特殊健康檢查或是健康追蹤檢查結果部分或全部項目異常經過醫師綜合判定為異常而無法確定此異常與工作之相關性"},{"start":495.669,"end":516.303,"text":"應該進一步請職業醫學科專科醫師評估換言之不能排除身體健檢異常與工作無關而且實務上要留意跟追蹤為什麼我剛剛說這一位醫師他的工作情況跟游離輻射我們這邊認為如果特殊健檢的結果是第三級的管理機制那這邊核安會是不是應該要有更積極的相關追蹤"},{"start":518.746,"end":544.338,"text":"我們核安會都有去介入那目前你們追蹤的進度關於這個個案或者是其他的案例這部分我們會是其他的相關工作人員對我們會再去就是再去要求我們的設施經營者也就是雇主要必須要對他的一個健康來去做一個一個追蹤然後如果是有有跟職業有關係的那就會去調整所謂的一些一些相關的一個輻射作業"},{"start":545.759,"end":545.799,"text":"謝謝各位。"}]}}}}