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同意以後才會報完轉型計畫已經申請多久了請問一下目前來講還沒有向院申請已經有計畫了嗎我們只是一個初步初步的規劃研究多久了很初步\n250534\t269008\t大概從202121應該是差不多一年的時間左右所以我覺得今天開這個會我非常不能接受就是三個部門有點互相推後鼻球那我來請教一下還有一個非常重的重點請問核四的燃料棒現在在哪裡現在在美國請問核四送到美國去的\n270324\t298772\t應該是2022的3月2022的3月現在已經2024年的5月了所以我本席要提出來的是說當時是誰下這個命令把核四的燃料棒運送出去從燃料棒運送出去了以後發現賣不掉改成燃料碗現在每年還要負擔非常高額的保存費請問台電這邊有沒有預計什麼時候賣到底還要請問一下這個燃料棒當時買多少錢我們每年要交給美國管理費是多少錢\n301256\t324575\t這個應該不是說誰決策因為我們是依據當時立法院2018年1月的決議必須當時必須要把這個燃料運到國外另外一個廠家有進行一個評估就是說即使即使即使核是重啟他現在的燃料你也沒辦法再使用因為那一塊是屬於一個舊型的燃料所以整個燃料的使用必須要再重新再評估才有可能\n325250\t351251\t好 所以這就是本席非常不能接受的從2021年我們核是就是送出去說要賣給國外的這個燃料棒後來賣不出去改成燃料丸中間不管是印製費用當時購買的錢而且當時我記得當時政府單位是說可以賣很高的價錢所以才同意把它送出去所以當時這一塊我您沒有提到可是當時是認為可以賣高價才可以賣出去結果想不到滯銷\n352572\t368977\t指向以後把它換成燃料棒換成燃料碗然後現在還是賣不出去每年還要保管費還要非常大的金額所以我覺得這是非常不能接受所以我認為今天本席來這邊我認為三個這個我們政府單位都應該要好好來\n370277\t372078\t拜託我們一起來關心不要浪費我們的民間納稅錢以上 謝謝\n399980\t400026\t主席。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,各位官員,各位委員,大家早安。師傅有請我們核安會的陳主委。好,我們核安會陳主委,謝謝。\n張委員好主委好先請教你今天在討論核能安全和我未來台灣的核能政策我想先請教你核能是不是綠能核能不是綠能核能不是綠能為什麼不是綠能為什麼不是綠能國外很多國家都是認為它是綠能可不可以簡達為什麼不是綠能\n主委 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同意以後才會報完轉型計畫已經申請多久了請問一下目前來講還沒有向院申請已經有計畫了嗎我們只是一個初步初步的規劃研究多久了很初步\n大概從202121應該是差不多一年的時間左右所以我覺得今天開這個會我非常不能接受就是三個部門有點互相推後鼻球那我來請教一下還有一個非常重的重點請問核四的燃料棒現在在哪裡現在在美國請問核四送到美國去的\n應該是2022的3月2022的3月現在已經2024年的5月了所以我本席要提出來的是說當時是誰下這個命令把核四的燃料棒運送出去從燃料棒運送出去了以後發現賣不掉改成燃料碗現在每年還要負擔非常高額的保存費請問台電這邊有沒有預計什麼時候賣到底還要請問一下這個燃料棒當時買多少錢我們每年要交給美國管理費是多少錢\n這個應該不是說誰決策因為我們是依據當時立法院2018年1月的決議必須當時必須要把這個燃料運到國外另外一個廠家有進行一個評估就是說即使即使即使核是重啟他現在的燃料你也沒辦法再使用因為那一塊是屬於一個舊型的燃料所以整個燃料的使用必須要再重新再評估才有可能\n好 所以這就是本席非常不能接受的從2021年我們核是就是送出去說要賣給國外的這個燃料棒後來賣不出去改成燃料丸中間不管是印製費用當時購買的錢而且當時我記得當時政府單位是說可以賣很高的價錢所以才同意把它送出去所以當時這一塊我您沒有提到可是當時是認為可以賣高價才可以賣出去結果想不到滯銷\n指向以後把它換成燃料棒換成燃料碗然後現在還是賣不出去每年還要保管費還要非常大的金額所以我覺得這是非常不能接受所以我認為今天本席來這邊我認為三個這個我們政府單位都應該要好好來\n拜託我們一起來關心不要浪費我們的民間納稅錢以上 謝謝\n主席。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.110\n謝 謝 主 席 , 各 位 官 員 , 各 位 委 員 , 大 家 早 安 。 師 傅 有 請 我 們 核 安 會 的 陳 主 委 。 好 , 我 們 核 安 會 陳 主 委 , 謝 謝 。\n\n00:20.044 --> 00:38.213\n張 委 員 好 主 委 好 先 請 教 你 今 天 在 討 論 核 能 安 全 和 我 未 來 台 灣 的 核 能 政 策 我 想 先 請 教 你 核 能 是 不 是 綠 能 核 能 不 是 綠 能 核 能 不 是 綠 能 為 什 麼 不 是 綠 能 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非 常 重 的 重 點 請 問 核 四 的 燃 料 棒 現 在 在 哪 裡 現 在 在 美 國 請 問 核 四 送 到 美 國 去 的\n\n04:30.324 --> 04:58.772\n應 該 是 2 0 2 2 的 3 月 2 0 2 2 的 3 月 現 在 已 經 2 0 2 4 年 的 5 月 了 所 以 我 本 席 要 提 出 來 的 是 說 當 時 是 誰 下 這 個 命 令 把 核 四 的 燃 料 棒 運 送 出 去 從 燃 料 棒 運 送 出 去 了 以 後 發 現 賣 不 掉 改 成 燃 料 碗 現 在 每 年 還 要 負 擔 非 常 高 額 的 保 存 費 請 問 台 電 這 邊 有 沒 有 預 計 什 麼 時 候 賣 到 底 還 要 請 問 一 下 這 個 燃 料 棒 當 時 買 多 少 錢 我 們 每 年 要 交 給 美 國 管 理 費 是 多 少 錢\n\n05:01.256 --> 05:24.575\n這 個 應 該 不 是 說 誰 決 策 因 為 我 們 是 依 據 當 時 立 法 院 2 0 1 8 年 1 月 的 決 議 必 須 當 時 必 須 要 把 這 個 燃 料 運 到 國 外 另 外 一 個 廠 家 有 進 行 一 個 評 估 就 是 說 即 使 即 使 即 使 核 是 重 啟 他 現 在 的 燃 料 你 也 沒 辦 法 再 使 用 因 為 那 一 塊 是 屬 於 一 個 舊 型 的 燃 料 所 以 整 個 燃 料 的 使 用 必 須 要 再 重 新 再 評 估 才 有 可 能\n\n05:25.250 --> 05:51.251\n好 所 以 這 就 是 本 席 非 常 不 能 接 受 的 從 2 0 2 1 年 我 們 核 是 就 是 送 出 去 說 要 賣 給 國 外 的 這 個 燃 料 棒 後 來 賣 不 出 去 改 成 燃 料 丸 中 間 不 管 是 印 製 費 用 當 時 購 買 的 錢 而 且 當 時 我 記 得 當 時 政 府 單 位 是 說 可 以 賣 很 高 的 價 錢 所 以 才 同 意 把 它 送 出 去 所 以 當 時 這 一 塊 我 您 沒 有 提 到 可 是 當 時 是 認 為 可 以 賣 高 價 才 可 以 賣 出 去 結 果 想 不 到 滯 銷\n\n05:52.572 --> 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