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能 要 不 要 重 啓 核 二 核 三 要 不 要 延 役 態 度 是 什 麼\n\n13\n00:04:45,836 --> 00:05:12,928\n我 們 很 明 確 有 三 個 很 重 要 的 原 則 就 是 不 缺 電 嘛 不 是 首 要 是 核 能 安 全 要 確 保 另 外 一 個 部 分 就 是 核 廢 料 的 處 理 要 有 妥 適 的 一 個 解 決 方 案 那 當 然 另 外 社 會 共 識 也 是 那 核 能 安 全 現 在 有 把 握 嗎 這 可 能 我 們 按 照 核 能 安 全 是 按 照 相 關 的 規 範 在 進 行 中 市 長 你 是 主 管 機 關 你 都 答 不 出 答 案 這 事 實 上 還 誰 能 幫 你 答 答 案 啊 台 電 誰 主 管 的 啊\n\n14\n00:05:14,274 --> 00:05:43,406\n所 以 現 在 就 應 該 知 道 核 能 安 全 這 個 條 件 做 不 做 得 到 啊 當 然 一 定 做 到 因 為 我 們 的 監 管 很 好 所 以 第 一 個 做 到 第 二 個 是 什 麼 核 廢 料 核 廢 料 做 不 做 得 到 目 前 目 前 有 很 複 雜 困 難 的 問 題 第 三 個 是 什 麼 社 會 的 共 識 社 會 的 共 識 嘛 前 兩 項 其 實 至 少 第 一 項 操 之 在 你 嘛 你 認 為 做 得 到 對 不 對 我 們 一 定 要 做 到 一 定 要 做 到 非 常 好 謝 謝 你 啦 也 還 馬 政 府 或 還 台 電 的 公 道 啦\n\n15\n00:05:44,554 --> 00:06:01,479\n那 麼 多 年 的 非 核 家 園 的 認 證 的 重 點 核 心 就 是 認 為 你 做 不 到 核 能 安 全 不 是 嗎 ? 謝 謝 你 還 了 公 道 所 以 我 是 說 句 實 在 話 白 走 八 年 冤 枉 路 了 搞 了 半 天 回 頭 現 在 要 重 新 來 檢 討 核 能 但 沒 有 關 係 王 洋 補 牢 石 油 未 完\n\n16\n00:06:02,239 --> 00:06:20,820\n我 支 持 今 天 我 們 戴 金 德 總 統 跟 政 府 正 式 能 源 問 題 重 新 正 式 重 啓 核 能 的 問 題 包 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對不對我們對推估到15那明年我們再來檢驗有沒有到15因為蔡英文說20嘛可見現在已經打了75折了嘛打了75折那再看看明年是不是要再繼續打折那請問那5%的部分怎麼補啊\n122891\t135573\t我想我們的電力供應基本上是還有其他的燃煤或燃氣的一個基礎用火力嗎?不是燃煤就燃氣嗎?還有別的選項嗎?目前大概就是這樣\n137256\t158631\t所以為什麼說今天齁賴清德總統說大家都需要供電穩定所以要推動二次能源轉型發展多元綠能智慧電網強化電力系統的韌性那他也提了一個比蔡英文總統更宏偉的目標他說2030年欸2030年現在只差6年對不對他的目標是什麼戰勝能源要達到多少你知道嗎市長我說賴清德總統的承諾\n167268\t190300\t這個部分抱歉我不清楚我們總統的承諾還是要記住啊百分之三十請問次長做得到嗎你到明年我們蔡英文在提出這個在當選的時候他說要這個戰勝能源到20%可是在當時馬政府的結束的時候戰勝能源是多少不到5%將近5%啦\n195325\t219765\t因為我是在馬政府工作過,將近5啦那結果從2016年到現在8年你也只到9%,9%嘛對不對,大概將近5啦所以換言之8年多5%現在剩下6年你要從10變30要多20%來,請問部長我們有什麼通天本理要做到這件事情\n221207\t246132\t我想這個從技術端專業端的分析我跟委員報告我們這幾年綠能增加很多但是我們另外一個我知道增加很多那我們另外一個無碳的能源就是核能下來所以部長你也很有信心2030年可以到30%是不是是因為我們非常謝謝部長我肯定你的信心我不是部長不好意思次長我很肯定你的信心\n247672\t261052\t希望不要你的信心跟蔡英文總統一樣打七五折到時候那接下來我就要問到底現在我們對於這個核能的政策態度是如何因為\n261994\t284794\t郭志輝我們的部長之前他說對於核能議題他跟國發會主委昨天國發會主委也跟媒體聚會時已經說表態如果朝野對核能重啓有共識他個人並不排斥所以經濟部到底現在態度是什麼核能要不要重啓核二核三要不要延役態度是什麼\n285836\t312928\t我們很明確有三個很重要的原則就是不缺電嘛不是 首要是核能安全要確保另外一個部分就是核廢料的處理要有妥適的一個解決方案那當然另外社會共識也是那核能安全現在有把握嗎這可能我們按照核能安全是按照相關的規範在進行中市長你是主管機關你都答不出答案這事實上還誰能幫你答答案啊台電誰主管的啊\n314274\t343406\t所以現在就應該知道 核能安全這個條件做不做得到啊當然一定做到 因為我們的監管 很好所以第一個做到 第二個是什麼核廢料核廢料做不做得到目前目前有很複雜困難的問題第三個是什麼社會的共識社會的共識嘛 前兩項其實至少第一項操之在你嘛你認為做得到 對不對我們一定要做到一定要做到 非常好謝謝你啦 也還馬政府或還台電的公道啦\n344554\t361479\t那麼多年的非核家園的認證的重點核心就是認為你做不到核能安全不是嗎?謝謝你還了公道所以我是說句實在話白走八年冤枉路了搞了半天回頭現在要重新來檢討核能但沒有關係王洋補牢石油未完\n362239\t380820\t我支持今天我們戴金德總統跟政府正式能源問題重新正式重啓核能的問題包括核二核三延役的問題有困難如果正式下定次長是不是就去解決它如果啦如果啦我說過我們現在按照相關的規定在做處理那現在相關的規定\n381761\t389892\t其實我跟你講如果賴清德總統下令你也不用什麼按照相當規定的你也得使命必達嘛 對不對所以我們就等賴清德總統一聲令下號令大軍轉彎啦 核電重啟啦我等著賴清德宣布 謝謝 以上\n","txt":"主席有請那個核安會主委還有經濟部次長好我們請主委跟次長謝謝羅委員好請教主委蔡英文總統要在2025年要把核能歸零目前這個目標還是沒改變嗎\n是的,我想跟委員稍微說明一下核安會是能源安全的主管機關市長,核能歸零目前這個目標沒變吧?是,我們現在是以這樣的一個在處理\n所以那個核能要歸零他有幾個成功要件對不對蔡英文總統的能源配比當中要把核能歸零那主要是他在再生能源的配比他希望2025達到多少20%的發電達到了嗎\n目前我們推估大概有差距對有差距 差距多少現在多少我們現在是9.6%發電站發電的9.5%那明年今年會大概會到13%我們推估那後年就2025年大概會到15%超過15%目前還在做掌握當中所以就短缺個5%嘛那拿什麼補\n這還是先順著理想狀態啦我們現在次長答應明年的再生能源是到15%嘛 對不對我們對推估到15那明年我們再來檢驗有沒有到15因為蔡英文說20嘛可見現在已經打了75折了嘛打了75折那再看看明年是不是要再繼續打折那請問那5%的部分怎麼補啊\n我想我們的電力供應基本上是還有其他的燃煤或燃氣的一個基礎用火力嗎?不是燃煤就燃氣嗎?還有別的選項嗎?目前大概就是這樣\n所以為什麼說今天齁賴清德總統說大家都需要供電穩定所以要推動二次能源轉型發展多元綠能智慧電網強化電力系統的韌性那他也提了一個比蔡英文總統更宏偉的目標他說2030年欸2030年現在只差6年對不對他的目標是什麼戰勝能源要達到多少你知道嗎市長我說賴清德總統的承諾\n這個部分抱歉我不清楚我們總統的承諾還是要記住啊百分之三十請問次長做得到嗎你到明年我們蔡英文在提出這個在當選的時候他說要這個戰勝能源到20%可是在當時馬政府的結束的時候戰勝能源是多少不到5%將近5%啦\n因為我是在馬政府工作過,將近5啦那結果從2016年到現在8年你也只到9%,9%嘛對不對,大概將近5啦所以換言之8年多5%現在剩下6年你要從10變30要多20%來,請問部長我們有什麼通天本理要做到這件事情\n我想這個從技術端專業端的分析我跟委員報告我們這幾年綠能增加很多但是我們另外一個我知道增加很多那我們另外一個無碳的能源就是核能下來所以部長你也很有信心2030年可以到30%是不是是因為我們非常謝謝部長我肯定你的信心我不是部長不好意思次長我很肯定你的信心\n希望不要你的信心跟蔡英文總統一樣打七五折到時候那接下來我就要問到底現在我們對於這個核能的政策態度是如何因為\n郭志輝我們的部長之前他說對於核能議題他跟國發會主委昨天國發會主委也跟媒體聚會時已經說表態如果朝野對核能重啓有共識他個人並不排斥所以經濟部到底現在態度是什麼核能要不要重啓核二核三要不要延役態度是什麼\n我們很明確有三個很重要的原則就是不缺電嘛不是 首要是核能安全要確保另外一個部分就是核廢料的處理要有妥適的一個解決方案那當然另外社會共識也是那核能安全現在有把握嗎這可能我們按照核能安全是按照相關的規範在進行中市長你是主管機關你都答不出答案這事實上還誰能幫你答答案啊台電誰主管的啊\n所以現在就應該知道 核能安全這個條件做不做得到啊當然一定做到 因為我們的監管 很好所以第一個做到 第二個是什麼核廢料核廢料做不做得到目前目前有很複雜困難的問題第三個是什麼社會的共識社會的共識嘛 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