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00:01:17,340\n那 麼 在 去 年 的 時 候 呢 有 一 個 數 字 事 實 上 是 讓 很 多 人 比 較 觸 目 驚 心 的 是 我 們 去 年 的 實 質 的 總 薪 資 在 出 現 了 7 年 來 首 見 的 負 成 長 就 是 說 我 們 的 經 常 薪 資 雖 然 都 有 在 成 長 甚 至 到 了 今 年 的 第 一 季 因 為 大 家 知 道 今 年 第 一 季 可 能 都 會 有 一 些 這 個 獎 金 啊 這 個 年 終 獎 金 的 入 賬\n\n4\n00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:18,740\n王 鴻 薇 議 員 王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n5\n00:01:37,748 --> 00:01:57,231\n就 是 增 加 的 比 例 是 一 點 點 但 是 實 質 性 的 經 常 性 薪 資 還 是 有 減 少 所 以 我 想 請 問 一 下 這 個 主 計 長 你 認 為 我 們 現 在 的 實 質 總 薪 資 沒 有 辦 法 有 效 的 提 升 是 不 是 主 要 因 素 就 是 通 膨 的 關 係\n\n6\n00:01:59,622 --> 00:02:22,429\n事 實 上 通 盤 也 是 一 個 因 素 那 我 也 是 再 跟 委 員 報 告 一 下 雖 然 經 常 性 薪 資 它 是 有 增 加 但 是 轉 換 那 個 就 是 說 整 個 一 個 物 價 指 數 之 後 呢 它 是 減 少 0 . 0 9 那 實 質 總 薪 資 是 7 2 , 0 0 0 多 它 本 身 如 果 再 轉 換 那 個 物 價 一 個 指 數 的 部 分 就 會 增 加 0 . 8 8\n\n7\n00:02:24,149 --> 00:02:24,329\n王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n8\n00:02:47,239 --> 00:02:47,439\n委 員 會 主 席\n\n9\n00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,261\n李 慧 琼 議 員\n\n10\n00:03:23,379 --> 00:03:45,858\n主 計 長 你 到 了 這 個 主 計 處 之 後 , 主 計 總 處 之 後 你 會 不 會 這 樣 幸 運 啊 ? 如 果 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 對 於 主 歧 視 者 在 編 預 算 的 時 候 當 然 會 比 較 好 編 所 以 我 想 請 問 一 下 以 今 年 來 說 2 0 2 3 年 大 概 是 3 8 0 0 多 億 的 稅 收 超 徵 你 們 預 估 今 年 還 會 不 會 出 現 稅 收 超 徵 ?\n\n11\n00:03:48,258 --> 00:04:08,536\n這 個 我 是 不 敢 講 但 是 如 果 就 經 濟 成 長 一 個 態 勢 所 以 我 們 本 身 希 望 說 我 們 不 要 說 估 計 太 保 守 了 那 這 個 部 分 當 然 因 為 財 政 部 他 整 個 有 一 個 一 個 說 一 個 估 測 的 專 案 小 組 在 做 估 測 那 本 身 也 有 一 個 估 測 的 一 些 的 模 型 在 做 預 測\n\n12\n00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:34,096\n那 我 坦 白 說 他 1 1 1 1 1 2 到 1 1 3 年 總 共 他 稅 收 調 整 也 調 整 了 將 近 4 0 0 0 多 億 進 來 那 這 個 部 分 以 我 來 講 如 果 在 預 算 籌 編 支 出 其 實 他 報 的 概 算 你 馬 上 就 要 編 預 算 了 對 他 大 概 都 會 超 過 3 兆 左 右 所 以 等 於 說 他 報 的 東 西 多 你 如 果 稅 收 沒 有 所 以 我 要 問 你 的 事\n\n13\n00:04:36,838 --> 00:04:58,540\n因 為 你 馬 上 就 要 編 預 算 了 所 以 這 五 台 問 題 今 年 會 不 會 出 現 稅 收 超 徵 今 年 我 是 說 今 年 1 1 3 年 度 對 1 1 3 年 度 因 為 以 第 一 季 來 講 應 該 是 狀 況 也 還 不 錯 啦 不 錯 是 怎 麼 樣 就 是 第 一 季 稅 收 的 一 個 情 況 應 該 是 也 不 錯 所 以 本 身\n\n14\n00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:09,767\n第 一 季 的 稅 收 會 超 徵 這 我 也 不 敢 講 因 為 這 稅 收 方 面 的 一 個 預 估 是 財 政 部 比 較 專 門 但 是 現 在 問 題 為 什 麼 問 你 這 個 問 題 因 為 稅 收 超 徵 的 關 係 所 以 呢 我 們 就 提 前 了 提 前 的 追 加 預 算 其 實 這 有 點 不 合 原 來 的 這 個 程 序\n\n15\n00:05:20,396 --> 00:05:31,640\n因 為 這 應 該 是 要 審 計 部 核 定 之 後 你 才 能 夠 確 定 你 可 以 去 用 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 拿 來 去 追 加 預 算 所 以 呢 你 們 現 在 才 是 等 於 說 先 用 舉 債 的 方 式 等 到 這 個 審 計 部 核 定 之 後 呢 你 們 再 正 式 的 去 可 以 移 用 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 的 部 分\n\n16\n00:05:41,164 --> 00:05:42,565\n臺 電 因 虧 損 累 累 而 牽 涉 到 廣 大 勞 工 權 益\n\n17\n00:05:58,616 --> 00:06:21,057\n也 就 是 那 麼 勞 保 基 金 你 們 要 怎 麼 樣 撥 補 呢 要 怎 麼 樣 撥 補 因 為 在 賴 總 統 的 就 職 演 說 裡 面 他 說 只 要 政 府 在 勞 保 就 不 會 倒 那 後 來 去 問 了 勞 動 部 長 用 什 麼 辦 法 呢 你 要 拿 出 什 麼 辦 法 那 麼 看 起 來 還 是 用 撥 補 的 方 式 好 那 我 現 在 要 請 教 你 了 那 麼 在\n\n18\n00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:48,691\n今 年 這 個 撥 補 的 金 額 很 龐 大 當 然 也 是 因 為 這 個 受 益 於 稅 收 超 徵 的 關 係 錢 比 較 多 所 以 可 以 撥 補 的 比 較 多 因 為 以 往 大 概 2 0 0 億 了 不 起 再 三 四 百 億 那 我 想 請 問 一 下 明 年 勞 保 基 金 大 概 還 要 撥 補 多 少 這 是 很 廣 大 的 這 個\n\n19\n00:06:50,732 --> 00:06:58,122\n就 是 所 有 勞 工 朋 友 非 常 關 係 的 事 情 明 年 要 補 多 少 會 不 會 不 低 於 今 年 的 數 字\n\n20\n00:07:00,441 --> 00:07:26,013\n原 則 上 因 為 勞 保 基 金 在 1 0 6 年 度 開 始 他 的 保 險 的 收 入 就 不 足 以 支 付 保 險 的 支 出 但 是 因 為 他 有 一 個 就 是 說 他 投 資 的 一 個 利 得 能 夠 去 c o v e r 所 以 他 變 成 說 他 的 數 字 沒 有 那 麼 的 龐 大 就 是 等 於 說 虧 損 的 數 字 但 是 呢 還 是 一 樣 等 於 說 如 果 我 們 勞 保 的 費 率 沒 有 調 整 的 話 將 來\n\n21\n00:07:27,413 --> 00:07:27,453\n王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n22\n00:07:50,324 --> 00:08:03,533\n所 以 1 1 4 年 度 其 實 我 們 也 有 預 估 說 看 到 底 是 要 把 它 來 再 撥 補 勞 保 的 一 個 部 分 有 這 樣 的 打 算 但 是 今 後 多 少 我 們 還 是 必 須 要 討 論 一 下\n\n23\n00:08:05,874 --> 00:08:27,143\n明 年 一 定 會 撥 補 , 但 是 是 不 是 至 少 按 照 今 年 的 一 個 標 準 ? 是 , 這 個 部 分 就 必 須 要 看 財 源 的 狀 況 來 做 討 論 因 為 我 說 今 年 是 已 經 達 到 1 2 0 0 億 , 我 沒 有 在 講 那 個 億 後 特 別 預 算 , 那 個 是 比 較 特 別 那 1 2 0 0 億 , 所 以 在 明 年 你 們 的 估 計 也 應 該 也 起 碼 要 到 1 2 0 0 億 嗎 ?\n\n24\n00:08:29,404 --> 00:08:45,511\n因 為 這 金 額 我 還 沒 有 確 定 , 我 不 敢 說 啦 , 因 為 等 於 說 我 必 須 還 要 去 細 算 它 的 一 個 需 求 , 然 後 再 去 確 定 , 因 為 整 個 財 源 分 配 的 部 分 我 必 須 要 看 我 財 源 獲 得 是 多 少 , 然 後 才 能 確 定 說 我 分 配 的 一 個 金 額 是 多 少 , 是 這 樣 子 。\n\n25\n00:08:47,808 --> 00:09:12,753\n對 這 個 當 然 因 為 你 們 在 編 預 算 之 前 一 定 有 很 多 大 家 都 互 相 拉 扯 啦 對 不 對 各 個 部 會 都 會 來 跟 你 們 要 錢 但 是 呢 我 覺 得 老 保 基 金 的 這 樣 的 一 個 年 輕 的 長 年 的 虧 損 這 樣 的 一 個 虧 損 那 麼 當 然 是 需 要 就 是 你 不 然 的 話 就 是 在 年 紀 的 部 分 做 相 關 的 比 如 你 的 保 費 要 提 高 啊 等 等 之 類 的\n\n26\n00:09:13,513 --> 00:09:31,053\n但 是 顯 然 現 在 我 想 新 政 府 應 該 也 沒 有 意 思 要 採 取 這 樣 的 一 個 方 式 那 在 沒 有 採 取 這 樣 的 方 式 之 前 呢 那 麼 你 的 這 個 撥 補 的 額 度 恐 怕 就 是 說 因 為 我 剛 給 你 看 過 去 這 幾 年 你 是 越 來 越 多 嘛\n\n27\n00:09:31,813 --> 00:09:54,794\n越 來 越 多 然 後 你 如 果 縮 減 的 話 呢 都 會 使 得 這 個 勞 保 基 金 的 整 個 的 整 個 的 財 務 狀 況 會 更 為 拮 据 所 以 我 才 想 說 在 我 們 主 計 處 來 說 如 果 未 來 勞 動 部 他 所 提 供 的 我 覺 得 我 是 勞 動 部 我 一 定 跟 你 講 說 啊 你 今 年 撥 我 1 2 0 0 億 啊 你 明 年 你 不 能 少 啊\n\n28\n00:09:55,194 --> 00:09:57,878\n所 以 是 不 是 可 以 承 諾 一 個 是 就 是 至 少 在 這 個 撥 補 的 金 額 上 不 能 夠 少 於 今 年 的 水 準\n\n29\n00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:09,266\n王 鴻 薇 委 員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n409\t4733\t謝謝主席我請我們主計長陳主計長有請陳主計長委員好主計長好是我想就是您現在到了新工作應該現在一切都有進入狀況吧正在熟悉當中是OK但是我想說因為你原來也是在這個領域裡面\n26659\t48333\t第一個問題想請教一下在剛才我們也有很多的委員會關心有關於通膨的問題那我們比較關心的是如果通膨沒有辦法控制的話那麼就會影響我們這個薪資族薪水族他的收入\n49173\t77340\t那麼在去年的時候呢有一個數字事實上是讓很多人比較觸目驚心的是我們去年的實質的總薪資在出現了7年來首見的負成長就是說我們的經常薪資雖然都有在成長甚至到了今年的第一季因為大家知道今年第一季可能都會有一些這個獎金啊這個年終獎金的入賬\n78340\t78740\t王鴻薇議員王鴻薇議員\n97748\t117231\t就是增加的比例是一點點但是實質性的經常性薪資還是有減少所以我想請問一下這個主計長你認為我們現在的實質總薪資沒有辦法有效的提升是不是主要因素就是通膨的關係\n119622\t142429\t事實上通盤也是一個因素那我也是再跟委員報告一下雖然經常性薪資它是有增加但是轉換那個就是說整個一個物價指數之後呢它是減少0.09那實質總薪資是72,000多它本身如果再轉換那個物價一個指數的部分就會增加0.88\n144149\t144329\t王鴻薇議員\n167239\t167439\t委員會主席\n186520\t187261\t李慧琼議員\n203379\t225858\t主計長你到了這個主計處之後,主計總處之後你會不會這樣幸運啊?如果這個稅收超徵對於主歧視者在編預算的時候當然會比較好編所以我想請問一下以今年來說2023年大概是3800多億的稅收超徵你們預估今年還會不會出現稅收超徵?\n228258\t248536\t這個我是不敢講但是如果就經濟成長一個態勢所以我們本身希望說我們不要說估計太保守了那這個部分當然因為財政部他整個有一個一個說一個估測的專案小組在做估測那本身也有一個估測的一些的模型在做預測\n249617\t274096\t那我坦白說他111 112到113年總共他稅收調整也調整了將近4000多億進來那這個部分以我來講如果在預算籌編支出其實他報的概算你馬上就要編預算了對他大概都會超過3兆左右所以等於說他報的東西多你如果稅收沒有所以我要問你的事\n276838\t298540\t因為你馬上就要編預算了所以這五台問題今年會不會出現稅收超徵今年我是說今年113年度對113年度因為以第一季來講應該是狀況也還不錯啦不錯是怎麼樣就是第一季稅收的一個情況應該是也不錯所以本身\n300680\t309767\t第一季的稅收會超徵這我也不敢講因為這稅收方面的一個預估是財政部比較專門但是現在問題為什麼問你這個問題因為稅收超徵的關係所以呢我們就提前了提前的追加預算其實這有點不合原來的這個程序\n320396\t331640\t因為這應該是要審計部核定之後你才能夠確定你可以去用這個稅收超徵拿來去追加預算所以呢你們現在才是等於說先用舉債的方式等到這個審計部核定之後呢你們再正式的去可以移用這個稅收超徵的部分\n341164\t342565\t臺電因虧損累累而牽涉到廣大勞工權益\n358616\t381057\t也就是那麼勞保基金你們要怎麼樣撥補呢要怎麼樣撥補因為在賴總統的就職演說裡面他說只要政府在勞保就不會倒那後來去問了勞動部長用什麼辦法呢你要拿出什麼辦法那麼看起來還是用撥補的方式好那我現在要請教你了那麼在\n383960\t408691\t今年這個撥補的金額很龐大當然也是因為這個受益於稅收超徵的關係錢比較多所以可以撥補的比較多因為以往大概200億了不起再三四百億那我想請問一下明年勞保基金大概還要撥補多少這是很廣大的這個\n410732\t418122\t就是所有勞工朋友非常關係的事情明年要補多少會不會不低於今年的數字\n420441\t446013\t原則上因為勞保基金在106年度開始他的保險的收入就不足以支付保險的支出但是因為他有一個就是說他投資的一個利得能夠去cover所以他變成說他的數字沒有那麼的龐大就是等於說虧損的數字但是呢還是一樣等於說如果我們勞保的費率沒有調整的話將來\n447413\t447453\t王鴻薇議員\n470324\t483533\t所以114年度其實我們也有預估說看到底是要把它來再撥補勞保的一個部分有這樣的打算但是今後多少我們還是必須要討論一下\n485874\t507143\t明年一定會撥補,但是是不是至少按照今年的一個標準?是,這個部分就必須要看財源的狀況來做討論因為我說今年是已經達到1200億,我沒有在講那個億後特別預算,那個是比較特別那1200億,所以在明年你們的估計也應該也起碼要到1200億嗎?\n509404\t525511\t因為這金額我還沒有確定,我不敢說啦,因為等於說我必須還要去細算它的一個需求,然後再去確定,因為整個財源分配的部分我必須要看我財源獲得是多少,然後才能確定說我分配的一個金額是多少,是這樣子。\n527808\t552753\t對這個當然因為你們在編預算之前一定有很多大家都互相拉扯啦對不對各個部會都會來跟你們要錢但是呢我覺得老保基金的這樣的一個年輕的長年的虧損這樣的一個虧損那麼當然是需要就是你不然的話就是在年紀的部分做相關的比如你的保費要提高啊等等之類的\n553513\t571053\t但是顯然現在我想新政府應該也沒有意思要採取這樣的一個方式那在沒有採取這樣的方式之前呢那麼你的這個撥補的額度恐怕就是說因為我剛給你看過去這幾年你是越來越多嘛\n571813\t594794\t越來越多然後你如果縮減的話呢都會使得這個勞保基金的整個的整個的財務狀況會更為拮据所以我才想說在我們主計處來說如果未來勞動部他所提供的我覺得我是勞動部我一定跟你講說啊你今年撥我1200億啊你明年你不能少啊\n595194\t597878\t所以是不是可以承諾一個是就是至少在這個撥補的金額上不能夠少於今年的水準\n609066\t609266\t王鴻薇委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請我們主計長陳主計長有請陳主計長委員好主計長好是我想就是您現在到了新工作應該現在一切都有進入狀況吧正在熟悉當中是OK但是我想說因為你原來也是在這個領域裡面\n第一個問題想請教一下在剛才我們也有很多的委員會關心有關於通膨的問題那我們比較關心的是如果通膨沒有辦法控制的話那麼就會影響我們這個薪資族薪水族他的收入\n那麼在去年的時候呢有一個數字事實上是讓很多人比較觸目驚心的是我們去年的實質的總薪資在出現了7年來首見的負成長就是說我們的經常薪資雖然都有在成長甚至到了今年的第一季因為大家知道今年第一季可能都會有一些這個獎金啊這個年終獎金的入賬\n王鴻薇議員王鴻薇議員\n就是增加的比例是一點點但是實質性的經常性薪資還是有減少所以我想請問一下這個主計長你認為我們現在的實質總薪資沒有辦法有效的提升是不是主要因素就是通膨的關係\n事實上通盤也是一個因素那我也是再跟委員報告一下雖然經常性薪資它是有增加但是轉換那個就是說整個一個物價指數之後呢它是減少0.09那實質總薪資是72,000多它本身如果再轉換那個物價一個指數的部分就會增加0.88\n王鴻薇議員\n委員會主席\n李慧琼議員\n主計長你到了這個主計處之後,主計總處之後你會不會這樣幸運啊?如果這個稅收超徵對於主歧視者在編預算的時候當然會比較好編所以我想請問一下以今年來說2023年大概是3800多億的稅收超徵你們預估今年還會不會出現稅收超徵?\n這個我是不敢講但是如果就經濟成長一個態勢所以我們本身希望說我們不要說估計太保守了那這個部分當然因為財政部他整個有一個一個說一個估測的專案小組在做估測那本身也有一個估測的一些的模型在做預測\n那我坦白說他111 112到113年總共他稅收調整也調整了將近4000多億進來那這個部分以我來講如果在預算籌編支出其實他報的概算你馬上就要編預算了對他大概都會超過3兆左右所以等於說他報的東西多你如果稅收沒有所以我要問你的事\n因為你馬上就要編預算了所以這五台問題今年會不會出現稅收超徵今年我是說今年113年度對113年度因為以第一季來講應該是狀況也還不錯啦不錯是怎麼樣就是第一季稅收的一個情況應該是也不錯所以本身\n第一季的稅收會超徵這我也不敢講因為這稅收方面的一個預估是財政部比較專門但是現在問題為什麼問你這個問題因為稅收超徵的關係所以呢我們就提前了提前的追加預算其實這有點不合原來的這個程序\n因為這應該是要審計部核定之後你才能夠確定你可以去用這個稅收超徵拿來去追加預算所以呢你們現在才是等於說先用舉債的方式等到這個審計部核定之後呢你們再正式的去可以移用這個稅收超徵的部分\n臺電因虧損累累而牽涉到廣大勞工權益\n也就是那麼勞保基金你們要怎麼樣撥補呢要怎麼樣撥補因為在賴總統的就職演說裡面他說只要政府在勞保就不會倒那後來去問了勞動部長用什麼辦法呢你要拿出什麼辦法那麼看起來還是用撥補的方式好那我現在要請教你了那麼在\n今年這個撥補的金額很龐大當然也是因為這個受益於稅收超徵的關係錢比較多所以可以撥補的比較多因為以往大概200億了不起再三四百億那我想請問一下明年勞保基金大概還要撥補多少這是很廣大的這個\n就是所有勞工朋友非常關係的事情明年要補多少會不會不低於今年的數字\n原則上因為勞保基金在106年度開始他的保險的收入就不足以支付保險的支出但是因為他有一個就是說他投資的一個利得能夠去cover所以他變成說他的數字沒有那麼的龐大就是等於說虧損的數字但是呢還是一樣等於說如果我們勞保的費率沒有調整的話將來\n王鴻薇議員\n所以114年度其實我們也有預估說看到底是要把它來再撥補勞保的一個部分有這樣的打算但是今後多少我們還是必須要討論一下\n明年一定會撥補,但是是不是至少按照今年的一個標準?是,這個部分就必須要看財源的狀況來做討論因為我說今年是已經達到1200億,我沒有在講那個億後特別預算,那個是比較特別那1200億,所以在明年你們的估計也應該也起碼要到1200億嗎?\n因為這金額我還沒有確定,我不敢說啦,因為等於說我必須還要去細算它的一個需求,然後再去確定,因為整個財源分配的部分我必須要看我財源獲得是多少,然後才能確定說我分配的一個金額是多少,是這樣子。\n對這個當然因為你們在編預算之前一定有很多大家都互相拉扯啦對不對各個部會都會來跟你們要錢但是呢我覺得老保基金的這樣的一個年輕的長年的虧損這樣的一個虧損那麼當然是需要就是你不然的話就是在年紀的部分做相關的比如你的保費要提高啊等等之類的\n但是顯然現在我想新政府應該也沒有意思要採取這樣的一個方式那在沒有採取這樣的方式之前呢那麼你的這個撥補的額度恐怕就是說因為我剛給你看過去這幾年你是越來越多嘛\n越來越多然後你如果縮減的話呢都會使得這個勞保基金的整個的整個的財務狀況會更為拮据所以我才想說在我們主計處來說如果未來勞動部他所提供的我覺得我是勞動部我一定跟你講說啊你今年撥我1200億啊你明年你不能少啊\n所以是不是可以承諾一個是就是至少在這個撥補的金額上不能夠少於今年的水準\n王鴻薇委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.409 --> 00:04.733\n謝 謝 主 席 我 請 我 們 主 計 長 陳 主 計 長 有 請 陳 主 計 長 委 員 好 主 計 長 好 是 我 想 就 是 您 現 在 到 了 新 工 作 應 該 現 在 一 切 都 有 進 入 狀 況 吧 正 在 熟 悉 當 中 是 O K 但 是 我 想 說 因 為 你 原 來 也 是 在 這 個 領 域 裡 面\n\n00:26.659 --> 00:48.333\n第 一 個 問 題 想 請 教 一 下 在 剛 才 我 們 也 有 很 多 的 委 員 會 關 心 有 關 於 通 膨 的 問 題 那 我 們 比 較 關 心 的 是 如 果 通 膨 沒 有 辦 法 控 制 的 話 那 麼 就 會 影 響 我 們 這 個 薪 資 族 薪 水 族 他 的 收 入\n\n00:49.173 --> 01:17.340\n那 麼 在 去 年 的 時 候 呢 有 一 個 數 字 事 實 上 是 讓 很 多 人 比 較 觸 目 驚 心 的 是 我 們 去 年 的 實 質 的 總 薪 資 在 出 現 了 7 年 來 首 見 的 負 成 長 就 是 說 我 們 的 經 常 薪 資 雖 然 都 有 在 成 長 甚 至 到 了 今 年 的 第 一 季 因 為 大 家 知 道 今 年 第 一 季 可 能 都 會 有 一 些 這 個 獎 金 啊 這 個 年 終 獎 金 的 入 賬\n\n01:18.340 --> 01:18.740\n王 鴻 薇 議 員 王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n01:37.748 --> 01:57.231\n就 是 增 加 的 比 例 是 一 點 點 但 是 實 質 性 的 經 常 性 薪 資 還 是 有 減 少 所 以 我 想 請 問 一 下 這 個 主 計 長 你 認 為 我 們 現 在 的 實 質 總 薪 資 沒 有 辦 法 有 效 的 提 升 是 不 是 主 要 因 素 就 是 通 膨 的 關 係\n\n01:59.622 --> 02:22.429\n事 實 上 通 盤 也 是 一 個 因 素 那 我 也 是 再 跟 委 員 報 告 一 下 雖 然 經 常 性 薪 資 它 是 有 增 加 但 是 轉 換 那 個 就 是 說 整 個 一 個 物 價 指 數 之 後 呢 它 是 減 少 0 . 0 9 那 實 質 總 薪 資 是 7 2 , 0 0 0 多 它 本 身 如 果 再 轉 換 那 個 物 價 一 個 指 數 的 部 分 就 會 增 加 0 . 8 8\n\n02:24.149 --> 02:24.329\n王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n02:47.239 --> 02:47.439\n委 員 會 主 席\n\n03:06.520 --> 03:07.261\n李 慧 琼 議 員\n\n03:23.379 --> 03:45.858\n主 計 長 你 到 了 這 個 主 計 處 之 後 , 主 計 總 處 之 後 你 會 不 會 這 樣 幸 運 啊 ? 如 果 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 對 於 主 歧 視 者 在 編 預 算 的 時 候 當 然 會 比 較 好 編 所 以 我 想 請 問 一 下 以 今 年 來 說 2 0 2 3 年 大 概 是 3 8 0 0 多 億 的 稅 收 超 徵 你 們 預 估 今 年 還 會 不 會 出 現 稅 收 超 徵 ?\n\n03:48.258 --> 04:08.536\n這 個 我 是 不 敢 講 但 是 如 果 就 經 濟 成 長 一 個 態 勢 所 以 我 們 本 身 希 望 說 我 們 不 要 說 估 計 太 保 守 了 那 這 個 部 分 當 然 因 為 財 政 部 他 整 個 有 一 個 一 個 說 一 個 估 測 的 專 案 小 組 在 做 估 測 那 本 身 也 有 一 個 估 測 的 一 些 的 模 型 在 做 預 測\n\n04:09.617 --> 04:34.096\n那 我 坦 白 說 他 1 1 1 1 1 2 到 1 1 3 年 總 共 他 稅 收 調 整 也 調 整 了 將 近 4 0 0 0 多 億 進 來 那 這 個 部 分 以 我 來 講 如 果 在 預 算 籌 編 支 出 其 實 他 報 的 概 算 你 馬 上 就 要 編 預 算 了 對 他 大 概 都 會 超 過 3 兆 左 右 所 以 等 於 說 他 報 的 東 西 多 你 如 果 稅 收 沒 有 所 以 我 要 問 你 的 事\n\n04:36.838 --> 04:58.540\n因 為 你 馬 上 就 要 編 預 算 了 所 以 這 五 台 問 題 今 年 會 不 會 出 現 稅 收 超 徵 今 年 我 是 說 今 年 1 1 3 年 度 對 1 1 3 年 度 因 為 以 第 一 季 來 講 應 該 是 狀 況 也 還 不 錯 啦 不 錯 是 怎 麼 樣 就 是 第 一 季 稅 收 的 一 個 情 況 應 該 是 也 不 錯 所 以 本 身\n\n05:00.680 --> 05:09.767\n第 一 季 的 稅 收 會 超 徵 這 我 也 不 敢 講 因 為 這 稅 收 方 面 的 一 個 預 估 是 財 政 部 比 較 專 門 但 是 現 在 問 題 為 什 麼 問 你 這 個 問 題 因 為 稅 收 超 徵 的 關 係 所 以 呢 我 們 就 提 前 了 提 前 的 追 加 預 算 其 實 這 有 點 不 合 原 來 的 這 個 程 序\n\n05:20.396 --> 05:31.640\n因 為 這 應 該 是 要 審 計 部 核 定 之 後 你 才 能 夠 確 定 你 可 以 去 用 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 拿 來 去 追 加 預 算 所 以 呢 你 們 現 在 才 是 等 於 說 先 用 舉 債 的 方 式 等 到 這 個 審 計 部 核 定 之 後 呢 你 們 再 正 式 的 去 可 以 移 用 這 個 稅 收 超 徵 的 部 分\n\n05:41.164 --> 05:42.565\n臺 電 因 虧 損 累 累 而 牽 涉 到 廣 大 勞 工 權 益\n\n05:58.616 --> 06:21.057\n也 就 是 那 麼 勞 保 基 金 你 們 要 怎 麼 樣 撥 補 呢 要 怎 麼 樣 撥 補 因 為 在 賴 總 統 的 就 職 演 說 裡 面 他 說 只 要 政 府 在 勞 保 就 不 會 倒 那 後 來 去 問 了 勞 動 部 長 用 什 麼 辦 法 呢 你 要 拿 出 什 麼 辦 法 那 麼 看 起 來 還 是 用 撥 補 的 方 式 好 那 我 現 在 要 請 教 你 了 那 麼 在\n\n06:23.960 --> 06:48.691\n今 年 這 個 撥 補 的 金 額 很 龐 大 當 然 也 是 因 為 這 個 受 益 於 稅 收 超 徵 的 關 係 錢 比 較 多 所 以 可 以 撥 補 的 比 較 多 因 為 以 往 大 概 2 0 0 億 了 不 起 再 三 四 百 億 那 我 想 請 問 一 下 明 年 勞 保 基 金 大 概 還 要 撥 補 多 少 這 是 很 廣 大 的 這 個\n\n06:50.732 --> 06:58.122\n就 是 所 有 勞 工 朋 友 非 常 關 係 的 事 情 明 年 要 補 多 少 會 不 會 不 低 於 今 年 的 數 字\n\n07:00.441 --> 07:26.013\n原 則 上 因 為 勞 保 基 金 在 1 0 6 年 度 開 始 他 的 保 險 的 收 入 就 不 足 以 支 付 保 險 的 支 出 但 是 因 為 他 有 一 個 就 是 說 他 投 資 的 一 個 利 得 能 夠 去 c o v e r 所 以 他 變 成 說 他 的 數 字 沒 有 那 麼 的 龐 大 就 是 等 於 說 虧 損 的 數 字 但 是 呢 還 是 一 樣 等 於 說 如 果 我 們 勞 保 的 費 率 沒 有 調 整 的 話 將 來\n\n07:27.413 --> 07:27.453\n王 鴻 薇 議 員\n\n07:50.324 --> 08:03.533\n所 以 1 1 4 年 度 其 實 我 們 也 有 預 估 說 看 到 底 是 要 把 它 來 再 撥 補 勞 保 的 一 個 部 分 有 這 樣 的 打 算 但 是 今 後 多 少 我 們 還 是 必 須 要 討 論 一 下\n\n08:05.874 --> 08:27.143\n明 年 一 定 會 撥 補 , 但 是 是 不 是 至 少 按 照 今 年 的 一 個 標 準 ? 是 , 這 個 部 分 就 必 須 要 看 財 源 的 狀 況 來 做 討 論 因 為 我 說 今 年 是 已 經 達 到 1 2 0 0 億 , 我 沒 有 在 講 那 個 億 後 特 別 預 算 , 那 個 是 比 較 特 別 那 1 2 0 0 億 , 所 以 在 明 年 你 們 的 估 計 也 應 該 也 起 碼 要 到 1 2 0 0 億 嗎 ?\n\n08:29.404 --> 08:45.511\n因 為 這 金 額 我 還 沒 有 確 定 , 我 不 敢 說 啦 , 因 為 等 於 說 我 必 須 還 要 去 細 算 它 的 一 個 需 求 , 然 後 再 去 確 定 , 因 為 整 個 財 源 分 配 的 部 分 我 必 須 要 看 我 財 源 獲 得 是 多 少 , 然 後 才 能 確 定 說 我 分 配 的 一 個 金 額 是 多 少 , 是 這 樣 子 。\n\n08:47.808 --> 09:12.753\n對 這 個 當 然 因 為 你 們 在 編 預 算 之 前 一 定 有 很 多 大 家 都 互 相 拉 扯 啦 對 不 對 各 個 部 會 都 會 來 跟 你 們 要 錢 但 是 呢 我 覺 得 老 保 基 金 的 這 樣 的 一 個 年 輕 的 長 年 的 虧 損 這 樣 的 一 個 虧 損 那 麼 當 然 是 需 要 就 是 你 不 然 的 話 就 是 在 年 紀 的 部 分 做 相 關 的 比 如 你 的 保 費 要 提 高 啊 等 等 之 類 的\n\n09:13.513 --> 09:31.053\n但 是 顯 然 現 在 我 想 新 政 府 應 該 也 沒 有 意 思 要 採 取 這 樣 的 一 個 方 式 那 在 沒 有 採 取 這 樣 的 方 式 之 前 呢 那 麼 你 的 這 個 撥 補 的 額 度 恐 怕 就 是 說 因 為 我 剛 給 你 看 過 去 這 幾 年 你 是 越 來 越 多 嘛\n\n09:31.813 --> 09:54.794\n越 來 越 多 然 後 你 如 果 縮 減 的 話 呢 都 會 使 得 這 個 勞 保 基 金 的 整 個 的 整 個 的 財 務 狀 況 會 更 為 拮 据 所 以 我 才 想 說 在 我 們 主 計 處 來 說 如 果 未 來 勞 動 部 他 所 提 供 的 我 覺 得 我 是 勞 動 部 我 一 定 跟 你 講 說 啊 你 今 年 撥 我 1 2 0 0 億 啊 你 明 年 你 不 能 少 啊\n\n09:55.194 --> 09:57.878\n所 以 是 不 是 可 以 承 諾 一 個 是 就 是 至 少 在 這 個 撥 補 的 金 額 上 不 能 夠 少 於 今 年 的 水 準\n\n10:09.066 --> 10:09.266\n王 鴻 薇 委 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112到113年總共他稅收調整也調整了將近4000多億進來那這個部分以我來講如果在預算籌編支出其實他報的概算你馬上就要編預算了對他大概都會超過3兆左右所以等於說他報的東西多你如果稅收沒有所以我要問你的事"},{"start":276.838,"end":298.54,"text":"因為你馬上就要編預算了所以這五台問題今年會不會出現稅收超徵今年我是說今年113年度對113年度因為以第一季來講應該是狀況也還不錯啦不錯是怎麼樣就是第一季稅收的一個情況應該是也不錯所以本身"},{"start":300.68,"end":309.767,"text":"第一季的稅收會超徵這我也不敢講因為這稅收方面的一個預估是財政部比較專門但是現在問題為什麼問你這個問題因為稅收超徵的關係所以呢我們就提前了提前的追加預算其實這有點不合原來的這個程序"},{"start":320.396,"end":331.64,"text":"因為這應該是要審計部核定之後你才能夠確定你可以去用這個稅收超徵拿來去追加預算所以呢你們現在才是等於說先用舉債的方式等到這個審計部核定之後呢你們再正式的去可以移用這個稅收超徵的部分"},{"start":341.164,"end":342.565,"text":"臺電因虧損累累而牽涉到廣大勞工權益"},{"start":358.616,"end":381.057,"text":"也就是那麼勞保基金你們要怎麼樣撥補呢要怎麼樣撥補因為在賴總統的就職演說裡面他說只要政府在勞保就不會倒那後來去問了勞動部長用什麼辦法呢你要拿出什麼辦法那麼看起來還是用撥補的方式好那我現在要請教你了那麼在"},{"start":383.96,"end":408.691,"text":"今年這個撥補的金額很龐大當然也是因為這個受益於稅收超徵的關係錢比較多所以可以撥補的比較多因為以往大概200億了不起再三四百億那我想請問一下明年勞保基金大概還要撥補多少這是很廣大的這個"},{"start":410.732,"end":418.122,"text":"就是所有勞工朋友非常關係的事情明年要補多少會不會不低於今年的數字"},{"start":420.441,"end":446.013,"text":"原則上因為勞保基金在106年度開始他的保險的收入就不足以支付保險的支出但是因為他有一個就是說他投資的一個利得能夠去cover所以他變成說他的數字沒有那麼的龐大就是等於說虧損的數字但是呢還是一樣等於說如果我們勞保的費率沒有調整的話將來"},{"start":447.413,"end":447.453,"text":"王鴻薇議員"},{"start":470.324,"end":483.533,"text":"所以114年度其實我們也有預估說看到底是要把它來再撥補勞保的一個部分有這樣的打算但是今後多少我們還是必須要討論一下"},{"start":485.874,"end":507.143,"text":"明年一定會撥補,但是是不是至少按照今年的一個標準?是,這個部分就必須要看財源的狀況來做討論因為我說今年是已經達到1200億,我沒有在講那個億後特別預算,那個是比較特別那1200億,所以在明年你們的估計也應該也起碼要到1200億嗎?"},{"start":509.404,"end":525.511,"text":"因為這金額我還沒有確定,我不敢說啦,因為等於說我必須還要去細算它的一個需求,然後再去確定,因為整個財源分配的部分我必須要看我財源獲得是多少,然後才能確定說我分配的一個金額是多少,是這樣子。"},{"start":527.808,"end":552.753,"text":"對這個當然因為你們在編預算之前一定有很多大家都互相拉扯啦對不對各個部會都會來跟你們要錢但是呢我覺得老保基金的這樣的一個年輕的長年的虧損這樣的一個虧損那麼當然是需要就是你不然的話就是在年紀的部分做相關的比如你的保費要提高啊等等之類的"},{"start":553.513,"end":571.053,"text":"但是顯然現在我想新政府應該也沒有意思要採取這樣的一個方式那在沒有採取這樣的方式之前呢那麼你的這個撥補的額度恐怕就是說因為我剛給你看過去這幾年你是越來越多嘛"},{"start":571.813,"end":594.794,"text":"越來越多然後你如果縮減的話呢都會使得這個勞保基金的整個的整個的財務狀況會更為拮据所以我才想說在我們主計處來說如果未來勞動部他所提供的我覺得我是勞動部我一定跟你講說啊你今年撥我1200億啊你明年你不能少啊"},{"start":595.194,"end":597.878,"text":"所以是不是可以承諾一個是就是至少在這個撥補的金額上不能夠少於今年的水準"},{"start":609.066,"end":609.266,"text":"王鴻薇委員"}]}}}}