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要多了\n128815\t129455\t李卓人議員\n150700\t150800\t我為什麼說\n172552\t196105\t我們要隨時提出警訊的原因就是說你比方說我們沾沾自己說好像我們失業率降了可是你相較於其他國家我就講美國好了美國疫情期間平均失業率是5.7%那人家他疫情之後他降了2.1%他來到3.6%南韓啊\n202594\t207959\t我們的零區3.5%降到2.7他也減了0.8那香港更是讓我們意外5.1%減到2.9%新加坡也是3.5%減到2.7%平均都還減0.8減2.2 2.1那這樣我們降個0.3%那有什麼好\n231493\t231793\t李卓人議員\n249285\t266933\t謝謝委員的指教因為這個部分各國其實波動的情況都不一樣那其實我們一般的數據我們就是實際按照我們整個一個調查的一個結果失業和就業的人口去做一個調查的統計的結果來真實呈現的 是這樣\n271035\t280742\t主計長有幾個我倒是覺得有隱憂的地方也就是說我們這是因為產業業務緊縮的關係這種結構性失業結構性失業的人數我們再度超過10萬人所以你認為這原因是什麼是\n294392\t318686\t如何來避免我們這種結構性的失業啦?比方說產業的移轉那這五個月來平均這五個月來從去年底到現在我們都維持在10萬人左右這種結構性的失業你認為這有什麼樣的方式可以避免嗎?\n319835\t344631\t事實上我們最近的結構性失業都維持很穩定就是在10萬人左右所以這本身的這個狀況也都遠遠低於疫情前所以這個部分其實它是也是呈現穩定的一個狀態那整個一個產業結構的一個轉換那導致的一個失業率的一個產生那這是有一些是屬於也不可避免的\n345211\t368940\t另外一個引誘就是說我們青年失業率青年失業率一直居高不下啦像現在我們平均算青年失業率已經來到11.75%而且傷腦筋的是平均待業99天平均的待業天數99天這是10年來的新高啦\n370017\t390821\t所以很可怕的我們青年失業率這麼高11.75%是整體勞工失業率將近4倍之高耶將近4倍之高所以你看法呢我個人我是覺得說我們青年就業環境就業環境惡化\n393669\t415439\t在你的看法有沒有什麼方式可以做調整做避免因為青年的一個失業率一向大部分都是比較高各國也都是一樣這樣的一個狀況那本身青年的失業率像一般就是一般就是我們的一般輔導措施其實像今年\n416139\t416339\t李慧琼議員\n447200\t471455\t而且主計長很傷勞金的是我們有6成以上的青年勞工他是負債的那麼有平均他們的青年的存款只有13.2萬這也是創下4年以來的新低啦照說我們避職違貶的話\n473464\t488067\t那存款應該為增喔結果現在不增反減反減那六成的勞工他們是負債的而且這個負債還導於你說是卡債的佔了31%那麼車貸的佔了20.2%信用貸款36.1%這一些啊都是高利率的\n499881\t510686\t負債那這一點我覺得沒有給青年人39歲以下的青年朋友他們有任何新的希望所以在這個部分我希望\n511960\t528688\t你們的數據呈現以後,你們具體提建言給我們行政團隊,可不可以讓他們去調節政策。那還有一點很可怕的就是說,我們竟然有三分之二的勞工領不到平均薪資。\n532210\t557479\t那這方面的傷腦筋的是中等薪資啦中等薪資的所得者他們十年來沒有得到調薪所以主計處我希望你把這些數字統整以後你要建議建議財政部建議經濟部因為現在我們正在審中小企業發展條例\n559673\t578890\t那我個人跟很多委員我們有提出建言而且我們有提出修法的部分就是說鼓勵對中等薪資調薪者能夠得到更高的優惠的減稅額\n581308\t583589\t我們會把相關的數據提給相關的單位來做一個政策的參考\n600626\t600846\t王世堅\n","txt":"主計長這個你上任以來你們有報了一條喜訊就是說4月失業率3.36%那麼這是創24年來同月份最低啦你們有說的這樣那你們說的原因就是說這個失業率降低是因為疫情以後那麼導致我們內需服務業復甦\n這大概就是你們說的理由原因不過既然你新上來在我們新內閣那一政府要開始執政大展身手的時候我具體要求你做到一個很簡單的事情就是忠實呈現提出警訊不要報喜不報憂\n因為主計處的重要就是在這裡主計處要提出建言提供給內閣他們去調節政策來因應時局的變化這樣才對所以你們的忠實呈現非常重要不要動不動就報喜訊那比方說\n你說是因為疫情結束以後服務業復甦沒錯啊但是相對的我們在製造業光是製造業我們比去年同業來講我們失業人數就增加一萬人講了服務業那製造業呢\n製造業比去年同業就減了1萬人那麼今年年初的總失業人數40萬5千人也比去年底還要高了 要多了\n李卓人議員\n我為什麼說\n我們要隨時提出警訊的原因就是說你比方說我們沾沾自己說好像我們失業率降了可是你相較於其他國家我就講美國好了美國疫情期間平均失業率是5.7%那人家他疫情之後他降了2.1%他來到3.6%南韓啊\n我們的零區3.5%降到2.7他也減了0.8那香港更是讓我們意外5.1%減到2.9%新加坡也是3.5%減到2.7%平均都還減0.8減2.2 2.1那這樣我們降個0.3%那有什麼好\n李卓人議員\n謝謝委員的指教因為這個部分各國其實波動的情況都不一樣那其實我們一般的數據我們就是實際按照我們整個一個調查的一個結果失業和就業的人口去做一個調查的統計的結果來真實呈現的 是這樣\n主計長有幾個我倒是覺得有隱憂的地方也就是說我們這是因為產業業務緊縮的關係這種結構性失業結構性失業的人數我們再度超過10萬人所以你認為這原因是什麼是\n如何來避免我們這種結構性的失業啦?比方說產業的移轉那這五個月來平均這五個月來從去年底到現在我們都維持在10萬人左右這種結構性的失業你認為這有什麼樣的方式可以避免嗎?\n事實上我們最近的結構性失業都維持很穩定就是在10萬人左右所以這本身的這個狀況也都遠遠低於疫情前所以這個部分其實它是也是呈現穩定的一個狀態那整個一個產業結構的一個轉換那導致的一個失業率的一個產生那這是有一些是屬於也不可避免的\n另外一個引誘就是說我們青年失業率青年失業率一直居高不下啦像現在我們平均算青年失業率已經來到11.75%而且傷腦筋的是平均待業99天平均的待業天數99天這是10年來的新高啦\n所以很可怕的我們青年失業率這麼高11.75%是整體勞工失業率將近4倍之高耶將近4倍之高所以你看法呢我個人我是覺得說我們青年就業環境就業環境惡化\n在你的看法有沒有什麼方式可以做調整做避免因為青年的一個失業率一向大部分都是比較高各國也都是一樣這樣的一個狀況那本身青年的失業率像一般就是一般就是我們的一般輔導措施其實像今年\n李慧琼議員\n而且主計長很傷勞金的是我們有6成以上的青年勞工他是負債的那麼有平均他們的青年的存款只有13.2萬這也是創下4年以來的新低啦照說我們避職違貶的話\n那存款應該為增喔結果現在不增反減反減那六成的勞工他們是負債的而且這個負債還導於你說是卡債的佔了31%那麼車貸的佔了20.2%信用貸款36.1%這一些啊都是高利率的\n負債那這一點我覺得沒有給青年人39歲以下的青年朋友他們有任何新的希望所以在這個部分我希望\n你們的數據呈現以後,你們具體提建言給我們行政團隊,可不可以讓他們去調節政策。那還有一點很可怕的就是說,我們竟然有三分之二的勞工領不到平均薪資。\n那這方面的傷腦筋的是中等薪資啦中等薪資的所得者他們十年來沒有得到調薪所以主計處我希望你把這些數字統整以後你要建議建議財政部建議經濟部因為現在我們正在審中小企業發展條例\n那我個人跟很多委員我們有提出建言而且我們有提出修法的部分就是說鼓勵對中等薪資調薪者能夠得到更高的優惠的減稅額\n我們會把相關的數據提給相關的單位來做一個政策的參考\n王世堅\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.585 --> 00:27.333\n主 計 長 這 個 你 上 任 以 來 你 們 有 報 了 一 條 喜 訊 就 是 說 4 月 失 業 率 3 . 3 6 % 那 麼 這 是 創 2 4 年 來 同 月 份 最 低 啦 你 們 有 說 的 這 樣 那 你 們 說 的 原 因 就 是 說 這 個 失 業 率 降 低 是 因 為 疫 情 以 後 那 麼 導 致 我 們 內 需 服 務 業 復 甦\n\n00:30.509 --> 00:56.360\n這 大 概 就 是 你 們 說 的 理 由 原 因 不 過 既 然 你 新 上 來 在 我 們 新 內 閣 那 一 政 府 要 開 始 執 政 大 展 身 手 的 時 候 我 具 體 要 求 你 做 到 一 個 很 簡 單 的 事 情 就 是 忠 實 呈 現 提 出 警 訊 不 要 報 喜 不 報 憂\n\n00:58.240 --> 01:25.196\n因 為 主 計 處 的 重 要 就 是 在 這 裡 主 計 處 要 提 出 建 言 提 供 給 內 閣 他 們 去 調 節 政 策 來 因 應 時 局 的 變 化 這 樣 才 對 所 以 你 們 的 忠 實 呈 現 非 常 重 要 不 要 動 不 動 就 報 喜 訊 那 比 方 說\n\n01:26.786 --> 01:48.123\n你 說 是 因 為 疫 情 結 束 以 後 服 務 業 復 甦 沒 錯 啊 但 是 相 對 的 我 們 在 製 造 業 光 是 製 造 業 我 們 比 去 年 同 業 來 講 我 們 失 業 人 數 就 增 加 一 萬 人 講 了 服 務 業 那 製 造 業 呢\n\n01:53.128 --> 02:06.876\n製 造 業 比 去 年 同 業 就 減 了 1 萬 人 那 麼 今 年 年 初 的 總 失 業 人 數 4 0 萬 5 千 人 也 比 去 年 底 還 要 高 了 要 多 了\n\n02:08.815 --> 02:09.455\n李 卓 人 議 員\n\n02:30.700 --> 02:30.800\n我 為 什 麼 說\n\n02:52.552 --> 03:16.105\n我 們 要 隨 時 提 出 警 訊 的 原 因 就 是 說 你 比 方 說 我 們 沾 沾 自 己 說 好 像 我 們 失 業 率 降 了 可 是 你 相 較 於 其 他 國 家 我 就 講 美 國 好 了 美 國 疫 情 期 間 平 均 失 業 率 是 5 . 7 % 那 人 家 他 疫 情 之 後 他 降 了 2 . 1 % 他 來 到 3 . 6 % 南 韓 啊\n\n03:22.594 --> 03:27.959\n我 們 的 零 區 3 . 5 % 降 到 2 . 7 他 也 減 了 0 . 8 那 香 港 更 是 讓 我 們 意 外 5 . 1 % 減 到 2 . 9 % 新 加 坡 也 是 3 . 5 % 減 到 2 . 7 % 平 均 都 還 減 0 . 8 減 2 . 2 2 . 1 那 這 樣 我 們 降 個 0 . 3 % 那 有 什 麼 好\n\n03:51.493 --> 03:51.793\n李 卓 人 議 員\n\n04:09.285 --> 04:26.933\n謝 謝 委 員 的 指 教 因 為 這 個 部 分 各 國 其 實 波 動 的 情 況 都 不 一 樣 那 其 實 我 們 一 般 的 數 據 我 們 就 是 實 際 按 照 我 們 整 個 一 個 調 查 的 一 個 結 果 失 業 和 就 業 的 人 口 去 做 一 個 調 查 的 統 計 的 結 果 來 真 實 呈 現 的 是 這 樣\n\n04:31.035 --> 04:40.742\n主 計 長 有 幾 個 我 倒 是 覺 得 有 隱 憂 的 地 方 也 就 是 說 我 們 這 是 因 為 產 業 業 務 緊 縮 的 關 係 這 種 結 構 性 失 業 結 構 性 失 業 的 人 數 我 們 再 度 超 過 1 0 萬 人 所 以 你 認 為 這 原 因 是 什 麼 是\n\n04:54.392 --> 05:18.686\n如 何 來 避 免 我 們 這 種 結 構 性 的 失 業 啦 ? 比 方 說 產 業 的 移 轉 那 這 五 個 月 來 平 均 這 五 個 月 來 從 去 年 底 到 現 在 我 們 都 維 持 在 1 0 萬 人 左 右 這 種 結 構 性 的 失 業 你 認 為 這 有 什 麼 樣 的 方 式 可 以 避 免 嗎 ?\n\n05:19.835 --> 05:44.631\n事 實 上 我 們 最 近 的 結 構 性 失 業 都 維 持 很 穩 定 就 是 在 1 0 萬 人 左 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