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3 . 0 8 當 時 是 預 估 說 可 能 全 年 要 修 正 從 1 . 6 4 上 調 到 1 . 8 5\n\n2\n00:00:29,830 --> 00:00:35,255\n後 來 說 臺 電 會 調 漲 電 價 所 以 我 們 是 預 計 說 可 能 全 年 會 影 響 到 0 . 0 9 所 以 通 膨 可 能 會 站 上 1 . 9 4 逼 近 2 % 的 警 戒 線 當 時 我 問 說 需 不 需 要 建 議 央 行 升 息 對 抗 通 膨 後 來 我 們 就 看 到 說 在 3 月 2 1 號 的 時 候 央 行 升 息 了 半 碼\n\n3\n00:00:56,733 --> 00:00:57,274\n委 員 會 主 席\n\n4\n00:01:13,775 --> 00:01:31,452\n在 前 幾 天 有 一 則 新 聞 就 是 提 到 說 可 能 會 上 修 今 年 的 一 個 經 濟 成 長 率 不 過 物 價 上 漲 的 壓 力 仍 在 那 在 這 裡 呢 我 們 也 看 到 就 是 央 行 說 不 排 除 再 升 息\n\n5\n00:01:32,113 --> 00:01:36,638\n現 在 想 要 請 教 一 下 我 們 主 計 長 因 為 這 個 是 很 兩 難 嘛 我 們 也 看 到 在 會 議 當 中 大 家 的 意 見 也 是 兩 派 如 果 不 升 席 的 話 難 以 壓 制 物 價 可 是 如 果 升 席 的 話 呢 好 像 對 我 們 的 這 個 像 經 濟 部 啊 廠 商 這 些 又 會 有 一 些 些 的 意 見\n\n6\n00:01:55,556 --> 00:02:22,107\n在 這 邊 因 為 主 計 長 您 是 新 上 任 的 所 以 我 想 說 特 別 想 要 了 解 一 下 你 的 想 法 現 在 大 家 都 會 去 討 論 所 謂 臺 灣 好 像 經 濟 是 一 個 人 的 武 林 我 們 這 些 I C T 的 產 業 臺 積 電 大 家 一 枝 獨 秀 帶 領 我 們 的 經 濟 成 長 但 是 好 像 是 無 法 去 讓 全 民 去 共 享\n\n7\n00:02:22,907 --> 00:02:50,368\n所 以 有 時 候 這 個 幸 福 感 也 不 見 得 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越 高 的 所 以 我 們 雖 然 經 濟 成 長 率 看 起 來 是 好 的 G D P 是 好 的 可 是 我 們 可 能 有 很 多 的 地 方 他 是 感 受 不 到 的\n\n19\n00:07:06,354 --> 00:07:31,590\n所 以 這 個 是 一 個 主 計 總 處 其 實 你 們 都 在 做 一 些 很 好 的 分 析 有 很 多 好 的 工 具 那 這 些 你 們 會 不 會 提 供 像 我 們 的 稅 制 啊 社 會 救 助 啊 勞 工 薪 資 啊 產 業 結 構 投 資 市 場 就 是 提 供 給 這 些 各 部 會 讓 他 們 去 做 一 個 調 整 的 依 據 那 想 要 聽 一 下 主 計 長 你 們 會 怎 麼 做\n\n20\n00:07:34,487 --> 00:07:45,571\n事 實 上 我 們 相 關 的 一 個 數 據 我 們 都 有 公 開 在 我 們 的 網 站 只 是 公 開 喔 對 那 我 們 也 會 提 供 因 為 我 們 各 部 會 有 各 部 會 的 一 個 會 計 我 們 也 會 提 供 給 他 們 和 統 計 人 員 來 做 參 考\n\n21\n00:07:54,234 --> 00:08:02,837\n社 會 保 障 支 出 方 面 家 庭 收 支 所 得 的 最 低 和 最 高 維 持 在 6 . 0 5 倍 到 6 . 1 5 個 人 所 得 部 分 維 持 到 3 . 9 3 左 右\n\n22\n00:08:10,299 --> 00:08:38,499\n那 這 個 部 分 呢 我 們 會 透 過 一 些 譬 如 說 租 金 的 補 貼 因 為 他 住 的 會 有 影 響 所 以 透 過 一 些 政 策 的 一 個 改 善 來 改 善 這 當 中 的 一 個 差 距 或 者 是 說 我 們 會 有 一 些 老 人 交 通 的 一 個 補 助 那 這 也 會 改 善 這 當 中 的 一 個 差 距 這 差 距 那 所 以 呢 整 個 部 分 這 個 部 分 我 們 就 是 說 我 們 是 希 望 能 夠 提 供 給 各 部 會 能 夠 來 參 考 然 後 作 為 他 整 個 改 善 整 個 措 施 的 一 句\n\n23\n00:08:39,460 --> 00:09:02,672\n主 計 長 我 的 意 思 就 是 這 樣 因 為 你 看 一 下 我 們 剛 才 那 個 圖 嘛 你 看 他 最 後 你 們 是 做 到 2 0 2 1 嘛 我 要 講 的 是 說 對 你 剛 剛 講 的 什 麼 租 金 補 貼 都 對 這 個 就 是 我 們 講 的 我 們 政 策 做 很 多 但 是 人 民 之 所 以 無 感 是 那 些 低 所 得 的 人 你 看 一 下 他 的 那 個 成 長 的 幅 度\n\n24\n00:09:04,306 --> 00:09:05,427\n主 席 主 席 主 席\n\n25\n00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:47,282\n就 是 希 望 說 我 們 主 計 總 處 我 是 希 望 啦 包 括 我 們 你 們 所 做 的 這 些 什 麼 國 民 所 得 統 計 、 物 價 統 計 、 社 會 保 障 支 出 、 人 力 工 序 、 中 央 調 查 、 基 本 國 事 調 查 、 家 庭 收 支 統 計 我 是 希 望 說 更 積 極 主 動 的 去 銜 接 各 部 會 的 選 擇 而 且 我 是 希 望 啦 主 計 總 處 要 作 為 一 個 國 家 警 報 台 啦 你 們 要 市 警 啦\n\n26\n00:09:48,162 --> 00:10:12,412\n因 為 你 們 掌 握 這 一 些 分 析 統 計 資 料 因 為 我 們 看 到 我 們 真 的 做 很 多 但 是 現 狀 實 際 你 們 做 出 來 的 分 析 統 計 就 是 沒 有 嘛 所 以 我 希 望 再 更 積 極 一 點 做 市 警 的 角 色 好 不 好 那 最 後 一 個 小 小 的 問 題 啦 因 為 我 們 經 常 在 處 理 那 個 木 林 什 麼 工 作 要 點 等 等 之 類 但 是 呢 每 一 次 呢 他 們 都 會 說 啊 我 們 還 要 跟 主 計 總 處 討 論 啊\n\n27\n00:10:14,933 --> 00:10:19,936\n我 舉 個 簡 單 的 例 子 假 設 像 那 個 木 鈴 經 費 他 要 他 們 說 因 為 是 噪 音 所 以 他 只 補 助 他 們 去 做 那 些 什 麼 隔 音 的 設 備 他 說 我 總 不 能 天 天 買 冷 氣 天 天 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那我們也會提供因為我們各部會有各部會的一個會計我們也會提供給他們和統計人員來做參考\n474234\t482837\t社會保障支出方面家庭收支所得的最低和最高維持在6.05倍到6.15個人所得部分維持到3.93左右\n490299\t518499\t那這個部分呢我們會透過一些譬如說租金的補貼因為他住的會有影響所以透過一些政策的一個改善來改善這當中的一個差距或者是說我們會有一些老人交通的一個補助那這也會改善這當中的一個差距這差距那所以呢整個部分這個部分我們就是說我們是希望能夠提供給各部會能夠來參考然後作為他整個改善整個措施的一句\n519460\t542672\t主計長我的意思就是這樣因為你看一下我們剛才那個圖嘛你看他最後你們是做到2021嘛我要講的是說對你剛剛講的什麼租金補貼都對這個就是我們講的我們政策做很多但是人民之所以無感是那些低所得的人你看一下他的那個成長的幅度\n544306\t545427\t主席主席主席\n561528\t587282\t就是希望說我們主計總處我是希望啦包括我們你們所做的這些什麼國民所得統計、物價統計、社會保障支出、人力工序、中央調查、基本國事調查、家庭收支統計我是希望說更積極主動的去銜接各部會的選擇而且我是希望啦主計總處要作為一個國家警報台啦你們要市警啦\n588162\t612412\t因為你們掌握這一些分析統計資料因為我們看到我們真的做很多但是現狀實際你們做出來的分析統計就是沒有嘛所以我希望再更積極一點做市警的角色好不好那最後一個小小的問題啦因為我們經常在處理那個木林什麼工作要點等等之類但是呢每一次呢他們都會說啊我們還要跟主計總處討論啊\n614933\t619936\t我舉個簡單的例子假設像那個木鈴經費他要他們說因為是噪音所以他只補助他們去做那些什麼隔音的設備他說我總不能天天買冷氣天天做那個窗戶吧你們噪音的時候你應該允許我我那個禮拜我們可以出去旅遊啊他們就會說哎呀那個主計總處會不答應啦有些科目不能織我想請教一下主計長真的是這樣嗎\n642449\t642789\t主席請這個主計長\n","txt":"委員好主計長您好記得這個會期主計總處在3月7號有開過一個記者會當時是宣布二月的物價指數年增率是3.08當時是預估說可能全年要修正從1.64上調到1.85\n後來說臺電會調漲電價所以我們是預計說可能全年會影響到0.09所以通膨可能會站上1.94逼近2%的警戒線當時我問說需不需要建議央行升息對抗通膨後來我們就看到說在3月21號的時候央行升息了半碼\n委員會主席\n在前幾天有一則新聞就是提到說可能會上修今年的一個經濟成長率不過物價上漲的壓力仍在那在這裡呢我們也看到就是央行說不排除再升息\n現在想要請教一下我們主計長因為這個是很兩難嘛我們也看到在會議當中大家的意見也是兩派如果不升席的話難以壓制物價可是如果升席的話呢好像對我們的這個像經濟部啊廠商這些又會有一些些的意見\n在這邊因為主計長您是新上任的所以我想說特別想要了解一下你的想法現在大家都會去討論所謂臺灣好像經濟是一個人的武林我們這些ICT的產業臺積電大家一枝獨秀帶領我們的經濟成長但是好像是無法去讓全民去共享\n所以有時候這個幸福感也不見得會正確啦那這是一個政治的藝術所以想要請教主計長就是您權衡這個消費者物價跟企業經營的成本然後去考量我國的這種產業的結構你認為這個CPI年增率應該控制在什麼數字你覺得比較合理\n原則上我們因為其實我們是辦理調查然後相關的數據去做提供給各單位去做參考所以等於我們會認為說如果是年增率如果能夠控制在2%以下當然是最好啦但是問題有時候就是有一些其他的因素啊比如說\n主席主席總書提到景氣有慢慢變好\n有提到就是我們的景氣有慢慢變好那我們的1到4月第一季你們也提到說它的經濟成長率是6.51是11季以來最佳表現3年來的一個最高那在這裡你應該也很清楚是什麼帶動\n可是我們看一下你們做的這個勞動部做的2023年一個社會新鮮人的薪資比較我們看到他的平均全體平均是三萬五千可是細看的時候很明顯的這些資訊通訊科技這些ICT產業他是一枝獨秀\n李慧琼議員\n我們的113年的第一季比去年同期是漲了2.24%那細看的時候像食物類是3.51服務類上漲是2.61經常性購買的是比去年同期漲了3.23\n所以你們也做了一個統計就是我們薪資最低的20%的家庭跟薪資最高的20%的家庭他們的所得跟消費支出的一個占比差異很明顯我們可以看得出來\n這些低薪資的家庭他的選擇大概就是先管住再管吃再管病那其他的消費性的休閒性的是他們最後的選擇這個跟我們的高收入家庭是不太一樣的占比的重要性也是不太一樣的所以在這邊只是想要就是了解一下我們主計長\n因為我們其實推出很多的政策我們講經濟成長率那為什麼人民會無感因為我們要去看他痛苦會痛苦在什麼地方如果是痛苦在他最基本的每天要面對的必須基本解決的政府做出多好的政策他都不會覺得好\n所以我在這裡就是希望主計長您幫忙就是做一個功課因為像你們這邊我看到有一個主計總處家庭可支配所得變動趨勢在2021年的一個分析我們可以很清楚的看到第一所得家庭他的收入\n在這幾十年他的收入是緩慢的是停滯的可是高所得家庭的收入在這幾十年他其實是越來越高的所以我們雖然經濟成長率看起來是好的GDP是好的可是我們可能有很多的地方他是感受不到的\n所以這個是一個主計總處其實你們都在做一些很好的分析有很多好的工具那這些你們會不會提供像我們的稅制啊社會救助啊勞工薪資啊產業結構投資市場就是提供給這些各部會讓他們去做一個調整的依據那想要聽一下主計長你們會怎麼做\n事實上我們相關的一個數據我們都有公開在我們的網站只是公開喔對 那我們也會提供因為我們各部會有各部會的一個會計我們也會提供給他們和統計人員來做參考\n社會保障支出方面家庭收支所得的最低和最高維持在6.05倍到6.15個人所得部分維持到3.93左右\n那這個部分呢我們會透過一些譬如說租金的補貼因為他住的會有影響所以透過一些政策的一個改善來改善這當中的一個差距或者是說我們會有一些老人交通的一個補助那這也會改善這當中的一個差距這差距那所以呢整個部分這個部分我們就是說我們是希望能夠提供給各部會能夠來參考然後作為他整個改善整個措施的一句\n主計長我的意思就是這樣因為你看一下我們剛才那個圖嘛你看他最後你們是做到2021嘛我要講的是說對你剛剛講的什麼租金補貼都對這個就是我們講的我們政策做很多但是人民之所以無感是那些低所得的人你看一下他的那個成長的幅度\n主席主席主席\n就是希望說我們主計總處我是希望啦包括我們你們所做的這些什麼國民所得統計、物價統計、社會保障支出、人力工序、中央調查、基本國事調查、家庭收支統計我是希望說更積極主動的去銜接各部會的選擇而且我是希望啦主計總處要作為一個國家警報台啦你們要市警啦\n因為你們掌握這一些分析統計資料因為我們看到我們真的做很多但是現狀實際你們做出來的分析統計就是沒有嘛所以我希望再更積極一點做市警的角色好不好那最後一個小小的問題啦因為我們經常在處理那個木林什麼工作要點等等之類但是呢每一次呢他們都會說啊我們還要跟主計總處討論啊\n我舉個簡單的例子假設像那個木鈴經費他要他們說因為是噪音所以他只補助他們去做那些什麼隔音的設備他說我總不能天天買冷氣天天做那個窗戶吧你們噪音的時候你應該允許我我那個禮拜我們可以出去旅遊啊他們就會說哎呀那個主計總處會不答應啦有些科目不能織我想請教一下主計長真的是這樣嗎\n主席請這個主計長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.210\n委 員 好 主 計 長 您 好 記 得 這 個 會 期 主 計 總 處 在 3 月 7 號 有 開 過 一 個 記 者 會 當 時 是 宣 布 二 月 的 物 價 指 數 年 增 率 是 3 . 0 8 當 時 是 預 估 說 可 能 全 年 要 修 正 從 1 . 6 4 上 調 到 1 . 8 5\n\n00:29.830 --> 00:35.255\n後 來 說 臺 電 會 調 漲 電 價 所 以 我 們 是 預 計 說 可 能 全 年 會 影 響 到 0 . 0 9 所 以 通 膨 可 能 會 站 上 1 . 9 4 逼 近 2 % 的 警 戒 線 當 時 我 問 說 需 不 需 要 建 議 央 行 升 息 對 抗 通 膨 後 來 我 們 就 看 到 說 在 3 月 2 1 號 的 時 候 央 行 升 息 了 半 碼\n\n00:56.733 --> 00:57.274\n委 員 會 主 席\n\n01:13.775 --> 01:31.452\n在 前 幾 天 有 一 則 新 聞 就 是 提 到 說 可 能 會 上 修 今 年 的 一 個 經 濟 成 長 率 不 過 物 價 上 漲 的 壓 力 仍 在 那 在 這 裡 呢 我 們 也 看 到 就 是 央 行 說 不 排 除 再 升 息\n\n01:32.113 --> 01:36.638\n現 在 想 要 請 教 一 下 我 們 主 計 長 因 為 這 個 是 很 兩 難 嘛 我 們 也 看 到 在 會 議 當 中 大 家 的 意 見 也 是 兩 派 如 果 不 升 席 的 話 難 以 壓 制 物 價 可 是 如 果 升 席 的 話 呢 好 像 對 我 們 的 這 個 像 經 濟 部 啊 廠 商 這 些 又 會 有 一 些 些 的 意 見\n\n01:55.556 --> 02:22.107\n在 這 邊 因 為 主 計 長 您 是 新 上 任 的 所 以 我 想 說 特 別 想 要 了 解 一 下 你 的 想 法 現 在 大 家 都 會 去 討 論 所 謂 臺 灣 好 像 經 濟 是 一 個 人 的 武 林 我 們 這 些 I C T 的 產 業 臺 積 電 大 家 一 枝 獨 秀 帶 領 我 們 的 經 濟 成 長 但 是 好 像 是 無 法 去 讓 全 民 去 共 享\n\n02:22.907 --> 02:50.368\n所 以 有 時 候 這 個 幸 福 感 也 不 見 得 會 正 確 啦 那 這 是 一 個 政 治 的 藝 術 所 以 想 要 請 教 主 計 長 就 是 您 權 衡 這 個 消 費 者 物 價 跟 企 業 經 營 的 成 本 然 後 去 考 量 我 國 的 這 種 產 業 的 結 構 你 認 為 這 個 C P I 年 增 率 應 該 控 制 在 什 麼 數 字 你 覺 得 比 較 合 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