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我想\n408169\t424007\t第一個部分就是我們的服務的態度我一定會要求我們的農民改善那第二個部分就是有關於這個就是農民的一個反應我們會正視這個問題到底他的問題的癥結點在哪邊那過往是通過小組長我們現在有個0801的服務專線\n426730\t442670\t那透過小組長我們的另外一個訊息就是你有關係你就很快你如果沒有關係你就等到一年也等不到但是因為我們農水組在處理的時候我想我們會依據最快的速度我想服務的態度我們一定會改變\n443231\t467568\t好,還有一點我也再提醒部長一下因為他們現在常常說現在修根的面積都非常大像110年的時候這亭蓋的面積是20年最多他們說現在我們的農水署都常把這個水都給製造業生產用水反而不注重他們農田灌溉用水我希望這部分部長也多幫我們注意一下這個是絕對是錯誤的我想以農業部來講我們一定會確保我們的農田的\n471971\t471991\t委員會議．\n490427\t501303\t好希望這部長你還是瞭解一下因為他們都感覺現在都重視這個製造業反而不重視這個農業我覺得我們適度的說明重要農業部一定會堅持我們的原則好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝\n","txt":"委員,謝謝涂權吉委員,在那邊等好久了,謝謝好,謝謝主席,那麻煩請我們陳部長我們再請陳部長委員好\n陳部長我想請問一下我們那個我們大園內海產業園區在112年3月的時候有召開可行性規劃公聽會在112年7月的時候也有辦環評說明會也在今年3月有召開徵收土地的公益性及必要性的說明會那這一部分目前已經到我們農業部那知道部長知道這個案子嗎\n我現在目前吼那個文還沒到部長室來我是不是可以請農政水保署稍微說明一下好那請署長是\n現在在我們農村水保署這邊有問題嗎?\n因為據我們了解他之前針對地主這些問題也都整合完畢價格也都談好那現在如果到我們這邊大概還有多久的時間\n現在我們把意見送出去到經濟部之後他再轉到那個桃園市政府嘛那麼把這些意見因為意見大概就是涉及到這個目前區域內裡面還有一些農民還在耕作啦所以有關於農民耕作這些權益的部分我們請桃園市政府跟這個農民這邊再做一個更進一步的協商之後如果沒意見大概很快就通過了\n農業部長列席報告\n對農田水利會修法停辦選舉在109年的時候在10月1日把所有的資產都收歸國有而且所有人員都改為官派請問一下那目前到現在已經3年多的時間不知道現在覺得成效如何我想\n整個從過往的農田水利署變成現在的農水署我覺得有一個非常重要的成效就是過去每一個農田水利會是獨立在運作的它比較缺乏橫向的一個聯繫那特別是我們在處理的時候農田水利會在處理灌區內的會員制的部分那成立了那個農田水利署的時候其實我們花了非常多的精力是在灌原本灌區外的這個部分那這個灌區外的部分其實我們已經\n提供了大概5.6萬公頃的這些農田然後甚至於波地的部分以前那個農業水利會是不處理波地的這些灌溉系統那現在農水局有更多的資源去處理這些波地的灌溉系統的處理這是一個非常重要的一個貢獻\n農業部長\n公頃到現在只有到36萬公頃少了5000多公頃然後排水設施工程也從之前的20公里到現在都沒有做農水工程改善渠道也都是下降這稅收渠道從109年到去年你看大概也只有到不到一半所以我們看起來這個績效好像是下降所以難怪農民對於我們覺得說\n改為官派之後反而覺得這個效率變差好像所做的東西感覺變更少而且我們看我們他現在他的現金資產也從之前109年的445億我們現在查了以後到現在只剩408億也花掉了賠掉了37億多那錢也花那麼多然後可是感覺這個績效是下降的\n我跟委員說您所提供的這些數據我們這樣看起來是可能有一些計算上的一個錯誤我想根據你的那個指標我們會重新提供一個數據我在這邊只提供一個就是說原來農田水利會本身它的一個年度的預算其實是大概3至10億左右可是到了112年其實我們每一年提\n委員會主席\n這些渠道的這些維修的效率是提高的所以我覺得後面本身的這些資訊我想會後我們會提供一個我們實際統計的資訊給委員做參考我這邊也跟部長報告因為我們地方基層我們常常在跑我們現在得到的聲音說以前他們向灌溉溝渠損壞他跟小組長一通報小組長就來看看完以後可能隔一兩天就來修復他說現在叫也叫不來有時候來了以後\n好 我想\n第一個部分就是我們的服務的態度我一定會要求我們的農民改善那第二個部分就是有關於這個就是農民的一個反應我們會正視這個問題到底他的問題的癥結點在哪邊那過往是通過小組長我們現在有個0801的服務專線\n那透過小組長我們的另外一個訊息就是你有關係你就很快你如果沒有關係你就等到一年也等不到但是因為我們農水組在處理的時候我想我們會依據最快的速度我想服務的態度我們一定會改變\n好,還有一點我也再提醒部長一下因為他們現在常常說現在修根的面積都非常大像110年的時候這亭蓋的面積是20年最多他們說現在我們的農水署都常把這個水都給製造業生產用水反而不注重他們農田灌溉用水我希望這部分部長也多幫我們注意一下這個是絕對是錯誤的我想以農業部來講我們一定會確保我們的農田的\n委員會議．\n好希望這部長你還是瞭解一下因為他們都感覺現在都重視這個製造業反而不重視這個農業我覺得我們適度的說明重要農業部一定會堅持我們的原則好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.810 --> 00:16.041\n委 員 , 謝 謝 涂 權 吉 委 員 , 在 那 邊 等 好 久 了 , 謝 謝 好 , 謝 謝 主 席 , 那 麻 煩 請 我 們 陳 部 長 我 們 再 請 陳 部 長 委 員 好\n\n00:25.027 --> 00:51.348\n陳 部 長 我 想 請 問 一 下 我 們 那 個 我 們 大 園 內 海 產 業 園 區 在 1 1 2 年 3 月 的 時 候 有 召 開 可 行 性 規 劃 公 聽 會 在 1 1 2 年 7 月 的 時 候 也 有 辦 環 評 說 明 會 也 在 今 年 3 月 有 召 開 徵 收 土 地 的 公 益 性 及 必 要 性 的 說 明 會 那 這 一 部 分 目 前 已 經 到 我 們 農 業 部 那 知 道 部 長 知 道 這 個 案 子 嗎\n\n00:52.694 --> 00:58.446\n我 現 在 目 前 吼 那 個 文 還 沒 到 部 長 室 來 我 是 不 是 可 以 請 農 政 水 保 署 稍 微 說 明 一 下 好 那 請 署 長 是\n\n01:00.339 --> 01:01.400\n現 在 在 我 們 農 村 水 保 署 這 邊 有 問 題 嗎 ?\n\n01:27.125 --> 01:29.226\n因 為 據 我 們 了 解 他 之 前 針 對 地 主 這 些 問 題 也 都 整 合 完 畢 價 格 也 都 談 好 那 現 在 如 果 到 我 們 這 邊 大 概 還 有 多 久 的 時 間\n\n01:53.167 --> 02:15.941\n現 在 我 們 把 意 見 送 出 去 到 經 濟 部 之 後 他 再 轉 到 那 個 桃 園 市 政 府 嘛 那 麼 把 這 些 意 見 因 為 意 見 大 概 就 是 涉 及 到 這 個 目 前 區 域 內 裡 面 還 有 一 些 農 民 還 在 耕 作 啦 所 以 有 關 於 農 民 耕 作 這 些 權 益 的 部 分 我 們 請 桃 園 市 政 府 跟 這 個 農 民 這 邊 再 做 一 個 更 進 一 步 的 協 商 之 後 如 果 沒 意 見 大 概 很 快 就 通 過 了\n\n02:16.361 --> 02:16.902\n農 業 部 長 列 席 報 告\n\n02:37.906 --> 02:55.587\n對 農 田 水 利 會 修 法 停 辦 選 舉 在 1 0 9 年 的 時 候 在 1 0 月 1 日 把 所 有 的 資 產 都 收 歸 國 有 而 且 所 有 人 員 都 改 為 官 派 請 問 一 下 那 目 前 到 現 在 已 經 3 年 多 的 時 間 不 知 道 現 在 覺 得 成 效 如 何 我 想\n\n02:56.587 --> 03:24.025\n整 個 從 過 往 的 農 田 水 利 署 變 成 現 在 的 農 水 署 我 覺 得 有 一 個 非 常 重 要 的 成 效 就 是 過 去 每 一 個 農 田 水 利 會 是 獨 立 在 運 作 的 它 比 較 缺 乏 橫 向 的 一 個 聯 繫 那 特 別 是 我 們 在 處 理 的 時 候 農 田 水 利 會 在 處 理 灌 區 內 的 會 員 制 的 部 分 那 成 立 了 那 個 農 田 水 利 署 的 時 候 其 實 我 們 花 了 非 常 多 的 精 力 是 在 灌 原 本 灌 區 外 的 這 個 部 分 那 這 個 灌 區 外 的 部 分 其 實 我 們 已 經\n\n03:24.986 --> 03:41.065\n提 供 了 大 概 5 . 6 萬 公 頃 的 這 些 農 田 然 後 甚 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