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之 後 你 剛 上 任 你 最 重 大 的 任 務 就 是 這 個 你 爭 取 之 後 我 覺 得 最 重 要 就 是 這 個 我 想 農 業 的 水 資 源 我 們 一 定 會\n\n5\n00:01:31,533 --> 00:01:40,815\n百 分 之 百 全 力 的 去 做 一 個 確 保 而 且 部 長 不 是 只 有 農 業 的 水 資 源 的 問 題 還 有 我 們 明 年 國 土 計 畫 法 就 要 上 路 雖 然 我 知 道 有 委 員 提 案 要 來 修 法 延 長 實 施 的 年 限 那 但 是 呢 以 目 前 為 止 我 們 不 管 在 這 個 第 一 線 地 方 上 聽 到 的 或 者 是 在 網 路 上 聽 到 的 農 民 啊\n\n6\n00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,947\n農 田 的 所 有 人 是 人 心 惶 惶 都 覺 得 說 政 府 要 台 灣 農 民 政 府 這 個 國 土 計 畫 法 上 路 之 後 農 地 都 沒 介 紹 所 以 農 民 現 在 心 驚 驚 不 知 道 要 怎 樣 因 為 得 不 到 政 府 正 確 的 資 訊\n\n7\n00:02:18,203 --> 00:02:22,504\n政 府 要 告 訴 他 們 說 我 們 的 國 土 計 劃 法 要 做 的 是 什 麼 事 即 使 國 土 計 劃 法 通 過 了 之 後 執 行 了 之 後 我 們 政 府 又 做 了 哪 些 配 套 來 提 升 農 地 的 一 個 這 個 效 能 然 後 來 增 加 農 民 的 收 入 確 保 農 民 的 生 活 未 來 不 會 有 影 響 不 會 差 不 會 變 壞 土 地 價 值 不 會 崩 解\n\n8\n00:02:47,236 --> 00:03:06,713\n部 長 , 這 個 氛 圍 在 地 方 上 你 走 動 你 都 沒 有 感 受 到 嗎 ? 我 想 謝 謝 委 員 的 提 醒 齁 那 這 個 部 分 我 想 特 別 是 在 媒 體 特 別 是 在 我 在 在 產 業 走 的 時 候 很 多 農 民 有 這 樣 的 一 個 反 應 齁 那 我 覺 得 我 們 第 一 個 雖 然 說 有 比 較 技 術 上 的 執 行 細 節 還 在 跟 內 政 部 討 論 但 是 整 體 來 講 我 覺 得 我 們 的 宣 導 不 夠\n\n9\n00:03:10,436 --> 00:03:27,792\n那 最 重 要 就 是 說 我 們 現 在 的 特 農 一 般 農 以 後 轉 變 成 農 一 農 二 只 要 你 從 事 農 業 你 所 有 的 權 利 都 不 會 去 變 的 不 用 去 擔 心 可 是 你 就 是 你 剛 剛 講 這 句 話 只 要 你 從 事 的 是 農 業 那 意 思 是 說 非 農 的 所 有 的\n\n10\n00:03:28,593 --> 00:03:30,575\n對 , 我 還 沒 說 完 啦 就 是 第 一 個 就 是 你 只 要 你 從 事 農 業 你 所 有 的 權 益 都 會 保 障\n\n11\n00:03:49,016 --> 00:04:08,366\n而 且 就 是 未 來 的 農 業 的 資 源 現 在 是 普 遍 的 只 要 你 從 事 農 業 都 會 處 理 未 來 我 們 會 更 精 準 的 去 做 相 關 的 一 個 產 業 的 協 助 那 第 三 個 部 分 就 是 如 果 說 農 業 你 要 有 時 候 變 更 嘛 他 們 很 擔 心 你 沒 辦 法 去 做 變 更 你 的 價 值 就 永 遠 被 鎖 住 但 是 現 在 有 兩 個 方 法\n\n12\n00:04:08,846 --> 00:04:32,920\n一 個 方 法 可 能 比 較 長 就 是 每 5 年 檢 討 那 個 是 我 覺 得 是 是 一 個 目 標 而 已 但 是 你 也 可 以 隨 時 透 過 鄉 村 的 一 個 整 體 規 劃 去 做 一 個 一 個 一 個 調 整 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 想 我 們 最 擔 心 的 就 是 農 業 本 身 的 這 些 原 來 的 地 木 的 使 用 那 相 對 的 經 過 國 土 規 劃 的 時 候 其 實 某 個 某 個 程 度 他 是 更 有 彈 性 的\n\n13\n00:04:33,100 --> 00:05:00,981\n那 部 長 我 請 教 一 下 以 你 所 知 目 前 我 們 地 方 政 府 裡 面 有 幾 個 縣 市 送 上 這 個 所 謂 國 土 計 劃 法 裡 面 所 要 求 要 來 審 議 的 你 可 不 可 以 再 說 以 你 所 知 目 前 有 多 少 個 地 方 政 府 對 於 這 個 國 土 計 劃 法 的 因 應 因 為 地 方 政 府 要 提 出 計 劃 來 送 中 央 那 目 前 有 幾 個 地 方 政 府 提 出 你 知 道 嗎 應 該 是 兩 個\n\n14\n00:05:03,162 --> 00:05:26,634\n我 記 得 是 兩 個 還 一 個 還 兩 個 而 已 三 個 啦 三 個 後 來 又 提 了 聽 說 三 個 啦 我 的 意 思 是 說 那 全 台 灣 現 在 目 前 就 只 有 這 兩 三 個 啦 其 他 都 還 提 不 出 來 那 你 就 知 道 問 題 似 乎 不 是 我 們 想 的 那 麼 簡 單 他 非 常 的 複 雜 對 他 有 他 的 複 雜 度 啦 他 的 複 雜 度 所 以 呢 已 到 今 年 年 底 之 前\n\n15\n00:05:27,834 --> 00:05:52,161\n可 預 料 的 可 預 期 的 大 概 也 不 會 多 幾 個 縣 市 提 出 來 那 整 個 我 是 建 議 第 一 個 我 們 自 己 農 業 部 本 與 農 地 的 管 理 跟 農 業 的 這 個 產 業 的 一 個 這 個 我 們 自 己 要 提 出 自 己 的 態 度 自 己 的 想 法 自 己 對 於 國 土 計 劃 法 裡 面 我 們 應 該 要 怎 麼 負 責 任 的 來 提 建 議 這 第 一 個 第 二 個 在 國 土 計 劃 法 執 行 之 前\n\n16\n00:05:53,061 --> 00:06:13,805\n因 為 有 可 能 會 演 , 因 為 有 其 他 法 案 的 版 本 要 演 嘛 那 起 碼 在 國 土 計 畫 法 執 行 之 前 我 們 是 不 是 也 應 該 負 責 任 的 來 做 有 效 的 而 且 是 正 確 的 資 訊 的 宣 導 或 者 是 說 明 啦 因 為 地 方 政 府 雖 然 有 做 , 但 是 我 坦 白 講 做 的 2 2 6 6 哩 哩 啷 啷 啦\n\n17\n00:06:16,846 --> 00:06:32,919\n而 且 很 多 都 是 形 式 上 的 貴 罪 而 已 啦 很 多 農 民 一 般 農 民 幾 乎 都 接 觸 不 到 聽 不 到 正 確 的 資 訊 所 以 網 路 上 我 看 到 好 多 都 是 什 麼 那 個 仲 介 不 動 產 公 司 的 經 理 人 啊 不 斷 的 告 訴 農 民 說 啊 因 為 國 土 計 畫 法 要 通 過 了 你 未 來 的 農 地 價 值 就 會 崩 了 所 以 呢 你 現 在 要 趕 快 趁 機 要 來 處 理 要 來 怎 樣 怎 樣 怎 樣 我 覺 得 這 些 都 是 不 應 該 的 都 是 不 對 的\n\n18\n00:06:46,509 --> 00:07:10,085\n是 不 是 應 該 要 給 予 正 確 的 一 個 資 訊 正 確 透 明 的 資 訊 是 最 重 要 的 而 且 要 用 農 民 聽 得 懂 的 話 語 來 告 訴 他 們 來 跟 他 們 溝 通 要 先 溝 通 啊 要 溝 通 清 楚 啊 好 不 好 謝 謝 委 員 我 想 這 是 農 業 部 的 一 個 責 任 那 過 去 這 個 溝 通 如 果 說 沒 有 到 位 其 實 我 們 應 該 要 填 好 我 現 在 就 可 以 跟 你 講 了\n\n19\n00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:11,826\n國 土 計 劃\n\n20\n00:07:27,094 --> 00:07:35,758\n是 是 而 非 的 這 些 言 論 也 能 夠 在 第 一 時 間 的 去 消 除 第 一 時 間 要 說 明 清 楚 要 消 除 是 是 而 非 的 論 點 論 述 第 二 個 我 覺 得 要 加 強 跟 地 方 政 府 的 溝 通 地 方 的 農 業 單 位 的 溝 通 很 重 要 不 管 是 地 方 政 府 農 業 局 或 者 是 到 基 層 的 農 會 我 都 覺 得 這 個 都 是 要 雙 向 的 溝 通 要 聽 取 他 們 基 層 第 一 線 上 的 意 見 農 民 的 意 見 到 底 是 什 麼\n\n21\n00:07:54,167 --> 00:08:12,193\n我 們 國 家 政 府 權 力 沒 有 大 到 要 把 他 們 的 綁 實 實 的 我 們 還 是 要 尊 重 農 地 所 有 權 人 農 民 他 們 的 聲 音 我 覺 得 這 個 政 策 才 能 夠 務 實 可 行 啦 國 土 計 劃 法 也 才 能 夠 推 得 動 啦 不 然 的 話 我 是 很 擔 憂 的 好 不 好 部 長 以 上 謝 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