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那 顯 然 就 是 我 們 自 己 有 規 劃 而 且 是 往 正 面 在 走 了 嘛 對 我 們 有 自 己 的 有 自 己 的 規 劃 什 麼 時 候 有 好 消 息\n\n9\n00:03:00,290 --> 00:03:23,848\n什 麼 時 候 ? 你 給 我 一 個 時 辰 , 你 們 本 來 就 有 時 間 表 嘛 對 不 對 ? 你 剛 也 提 了 不 用 等 大 陸 什 麼 有 善 意 或 者 他 們 的 動 作 啊 你 剛 不 是 這 樣 講 嗎 ? 我 應 該 是 這 樣 講 , 很 多 人 把 這 個 這 個 觀 光 團 或 是 陸 生 當 作 說 兩 邊 有 沒 有 善 意 但 是 其 實 我 們 這 樣 一 路 看 下 來 特 別 是 從 5 2 0 到 現 在 其 實 對 方\n\n10\n00:03:26,104 --> 00:03:31,305\n我 會 問 你 是 因 為 各 界 一 直 在 有 期 待 而 且 各 界 一 直 傳 說 最 近 有 好 消 息 所 以 我 才 問 你 嘛 是 最 近 會 有 好 消 息 嘛 對 不 對 你 講 的 就 已 經 有 時 間 表 啦\n\n11\n00:03:48,301 --> 00:04:06,338\n為 什 麼 不 能 講 , 你 講 一 下 現 在 所 有 的 觀 光 業 者 跟 很 多 民 眾 在 等 你 的 答 案 我 們 陸 委 會 是 參 與 規 劃 討 論 , 但 是 組 織 的 單 位 是 交 通 部 你 們 當 交 通 部 , 你 們 幫 他 做 了 決 定 , 有 時 間 表 了 , 要 等 交 通 部 來 我 們 沒 有 幫 他 們 做 決 定 , 我 們 參 與 討 論 , 一 起 討 論 其 實 腦 袋 是 陸 委 會\n\n12\n00:04:12,284 --> 00:04:30,677\n很 多 人 在 關 心 還 台 的 這 個 經 驗 , 其 實 更 加 緊 張 , 我 覺 得 對 台 灣 , 當 然 那 個 租 款 比 較 安 全 , 一 定 要 先 顧 到 , 裡 面 我 覺 得 現 在 挑 戰 最 大 , 其 實 是 大 陸 的 經 濟 越 飛 越 近 , 對 不 對 , 越 飛 越 近 , 它 飛 到 4 1 海 里 的 時 候 , 那 時 候 距 離 我 們 總 統 府 大 概 就 4 到 5 分 鐘 ,\n\n13\n00:04:31,658 --> 00:04:35,919\n因 為 事 實 上 共 機 角 一 離 開 基 地 我 們 國 安 跟 國 防 單 位 都 可 以 知 道 他 們 大 概 飛 的 一 個 狀 況 所 以 透 過 這 些 聯 合 的 情 報 監 偵 都 可 以 掌 握 他 們 的 動 態\n\n14\n00:05:07,931 --> 00:05:25,082\n這 部 分 我 應 該 也 知 道 了 就 我 們 的 國 軍 不 管 在 水 面 的 兵 力 或 空 中 的 兵 力 在 應 處 跟 中 國 的 這 些 戰 機 進 階 的 攔 截 過 程 當 中 都 有 一 套 S O P 的 作 業 程 序 而 且 地 面 的 雷 達 管 制 也 都 非 常 的 精 準 在 防 止 各 種 突 發 狀 況 的 發 生\n\n15\n00:05:27,003 --> 00:05:49,186\n兩 岸 最 近 還 有 一 個 非 常 熱 的 一 個 題 目 , 就 是 我 們 台 灣 的 藝 人 啊 , 最 近 被 逼 著 要 表 態 , 對 不 對 ? 非 常 多 , 阿 信 啊 , 五 月 天 阿 信 在 北 京 鳥 巢 的 演 唱 會 提 到 說 我 們 是 中 國 人 嘛 , 那 看 起 來 台 灣 很 多 人 就 開 罵 了 , 就 開 罵 了 , 可 是 到 目 前 為 止 , 因 為 大 陸 那 些 小 粉 紅 一 直 在 逼 啊 , 我 們 已 經 有 7 8 位 藝 人 已 經 表 態 了 。\n\n16\n00:05:49,963 --> 00:06:18,593\n我 看 這 個 賴 總 統 自 己 也 覺 得 不 捨 嘛 他 說 人 在 屋 簷 下 , 盼 國 人 給 予 諒 解 跟 體 諒 阿 富 汗 主 席 柯 文 哲 也 講 了 他 說 必 須 要 尊 重 表 演 藝 術 者 不 要 以 政 治 表 忠 的 方 式 破 壞 兩 岸 關 係 他 直 接 呼 籲 大 陸 這 些 民 眾 不 要 逼 著 我 們 的 藝 人 來 表 態 這 是 破 壞 兩 岸 關 係 的 可 是 他 也 提 到 喔 岸 盟 用 地 費 、 行 商 及 包 容 去 面 對 處 理 兩 岸 關 係 所 以 我 問 一 下\n\n17\n00:06:20,225 --> 00:06:31,905\n國 安 局 這 邊 跟 陸 委 會 對 於 我 們 的 藝 人 他 們 做 了 很 多 公 益 嘛 像 五 月 天 雖 然 到 那 邊 講 那 個 話 可 是 他 們 回 來 你 看 花 蓮 的 正 哉 包 括 一 檢 高 雄 這 個 氣 爆 的 時 候 他 們 都 捐 了 非 常 多 的 錢\n\n18\n00:06:34,003 --> 00:07:00,906\n對 於 藝 人 被 爆 表 態 的 事 情 , 你 們 怎 麼 看 ? 國 安 局 這 邊 先 說 明 , 等 下 請 陸 委 會 說 明 就 藝 人 遭 到 施 壓 的 問 題 , 剛 剛 也 跟 沈 伯 陽 委 員 有 做 一 些 說 明 大 概 中 共 操 作 的 手 法 跟 施 壓 的 狀 況 有 的 是 查 稅 的 , 有 的 是 要 簽 認 同 書 的 那 有 的 是 管 制 他 人 員 進 出 演 唱 會 的 數 量 那 以 這 個 來 施 壓 那 我 想 對 於 台 灣 的 藝 文 工 作 者 , 包 括 演 藝 人 的 人 來 講 他 就 面 臨 到 一 個 兩 難\n\n19\n00:07:01,647 --> 00:07:02,768\n我 再 問 一 下 請 問 人 在 屋 簷 下 對 不 對 要 量 解 跟\n\n20\n00:07:29,810 --> 00:07:30,130\n你 怎 麼 看 這 個 事 情 ?\n\n21\n00:08:00,052 --> 00:08:28,389\n中 央 電 視 台 是 屬 於 中 宣 部 的 下 屬 單 位 所 以 這 一 次 的 操 作 大 概 就 是 我 覺 得 是 由 中 共 中 央 由 上 而 下 發 動 那 所 以 其 實 大 家 都 看 出 來 背 後 的 政 治 操 作 很 明 顯 那 所 以 我 們 要 譴 責 的 其 實 就 是 對 岸 的 這 種 政 治 體 制 那 這 也 是 為 什 麼 兩 岸 關 係 到 現 在 還 是 僵 局 的 狀 況 雖 然 對 岸 說 政 治 制 度 不 同 不 代 表\n\n22\n00:08:29,689 --> 00:08:29,810\n接 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--> 00:01.570\n請 蔡 局 長 及 梁 文 傑 兩 副 主 委\n\n00:20.945 --> 00:39.509\n賴 總 統 就 職 演 說 有 特 別 說 到 說 願 意 以 對 話 代 替 對 抗 特 別 是 兩 邊 對 等 之 下 要 重 啓 兩 岸 的 觀 光 旅 遊 跟 學 衛 生 來 台 灣 就 學 那 很 多 媒 體 都 把 它 解 讀 是 一 個 地 感 染 之 馬 我 能 不 能 很 清 楚 的 問 我 們 開 放\n\n00:42.406 --> 00:52.551\n李 游 觀 光 團 到 大 陸 什 麼 時 候 會 有 好 消 息 因 為 這 個 涉 及 到 兩 岸 政 策 跟 觀 光 政 策 應 該 要 有 夜 館 單 位 包 括 陸 委 會 跟 交 通 部 來 回 答 當 然 就 是 好 啦 那 文 傑 你 來\n\n00:55.970 --> 01:20.588\n我 們 在 考 慮 這 個 問 題 的 時 候 首 先 要 看 一 下 有 沒 有 對 面 的 有 沒 有 要 做 到 對 等 性 然 後 他 到 底 有 沒 有 善 意 目 前 看 起 來 他 從 2 3 、 2 4 號 兩 天 的 軍 演 兩 天 的 軍 演 如 果 你 要 說 他 們 是 有 善 意 的 話 對 台 灣 很 多 人 民 來 說 是 不 能 接 受 的 但 是 我 們\n\n01:22.323 --> 01:47.893\n對 自 己 的 觀 光 旅 遊 業 我 們 有 自 己 的 步 驟 跟 考 量 所 以 其 實 這 個 事 情 跟 對 方 的 善 意 不 善 意 最 後 可 能 沒 有 關 係 沒 有 關 係 這 句 話 很 重 要 喔 跟 對 方 的 態 度 跟 善 意 不 見 有 關 係 所 以 我 們 是 按 照 自 己 的 步 驟 嘛 對 不 對 文 傑 包 括 總 統 在 就 職 演 說 這 樣 講 就 是 本 來 我 們 應 該 有 擬 定 好 自 己 的 步 驟 跟 時 間 表 對 不 對 所 以 我 今 天 非 常 具 體 的 問 你\n\n01:49.013 --> 02:15.501\n很 多 人 都 很 期 待 , 這 幾 天 好 消 息 也 一 直 傳 出 來 說 最 近 就 會 定 案 , 最 近 就 會 開 放 嗎 ? 差 不 多 時 程 是 怎 樣 ? 我 們 對 於 , 不 管 是 對 於 陸 生 還 是 對 於 觀 光 我 們 都 有 自 己 的 規 劃 跟 時 間 表 所 以 這 個 事 情 其 實 都 在 規 劃 中 , 規 劃 討 論 中 昨 天 教 育 部 部 長 已 經 把 時 程 講 出 來 了 他 說 每 年 都 會 , 這 個 招 生 減 傷 就 有 了 那 觀 光 旅 遊 這 一 塊 呢 ?\n\n02:19.534 --> 02:38.386\n一 直 在 傳 說 這 個 月 的 月 底 , 最 晚 下 個 月 會 有 好 消 息 , 是 這 樣 嗎 ? 我 們 規 劃 討 論 中 , 然 後 會 有 交 通 部 來 跟 大 家 說 明 規 劃 討 論 中 , 然 後 是 會 有 好 消 息 , 對 不 對 ? 會 有 交 通 部 來 跟 大 家 說 明 還 沒 辦 法 確 定 是 不 是 好 消 息 , 還 是 會 是 好 消 息 , 由 交 通 部 來 公 佈 ?\n\n02:42.281 --> 02:56.927\n你 說 剛 剛 是 講 你 們 已 經 有 規 劃 嘛 事 實 上 你 如 果 從 總 統 的 就 職 演 說 特 別 把 這 個 提 出 來 是 那 講 的 是 陸 生 這 一 塊 教 育 部 已 經 講 了 嘛 對 不 對 那 顯 然 就 是 我 們 自 己 有 規 劃 而 且 是 往 正 面 在 走 了 嘛 對 我 們 有 自 己 的 有 自 己 的 規 劃 什 麼 時 候 有 好 消 息\n\n03:00.290 --> 03:23.848\n什 麼 時 候 ? 你 給 我 一 個 時 辰 , 你 們 本 來 就 有 時 間 表 嘛 對 不 對 ? 你 剛 也 提 了 不 用 等 大 陸 什 麼 有 善 意 或 者 他 們 的 動 作 啊 你 剛 不 是 這 樣 講 嗎 ? 我 應 該 是 這 樣 講 , 很 多 人 把 這 個 這 個 觀 光 團 或 是 陸 生 當 作 說 兩 邊 有 沒 有 善 意 但 是 其 實 我 們 這 樣 一 路 看 下 來 特 別 是 從 5 2 0 到 現 在 其 實 對 方\n\n03:26.104 --> 03:31.305\n我 會 問 你 是 因 為 各 界 一 直 在 有 期 待 而 且 各 界 一 直 傳 說 最 近 有 好 消 息 所 以 我 才 問 你 嘛 是 最 近 會 有 好 消 息 嘛 對 不 對 你 講 的 就 已 經 有 時 間 表 啦\n\n03:48.301 --> 04:06.338\n為 什 麼 不 能 講 , 你 講 一 下 現 在 所 有 的 觀 光 業 者 跟 很 多 民 眾 在 等 你 的 答 案 我 們 陸 委 會 是 參 與 規 劃 討 論 , 但 是 組 織 的 單 位 是 交 通 部 你 們 當 交 通 部 , 你 們 幫 他 做 了 決 定 , 有 時 間 表 了 , 要 等 交 通 部 來 我 們 沒 有 幫 他 們 做 決 定 , 我 們 參 與 討 論 , 一 起 討 論 其 實 腦 袋 是 陸 委 會\n\n04:12.284 --> 04:30.677\n很 多 人 在 關 心 還 台 的 這 個 經 驗 , 其 實 更 加 緊 張 , 我 覺 得 對 台 灣 , 當 然 那 個 租 款 比 較 安 全 , 一 定 要 先 顧 到 , 裡 面 我 覺 得 現 在 挑 戰 最 大 , 其 實 是 大 陸 的 經 濟 越 飛 越 近 , 對 不 對 , 越 飛 越 近 , 它 飛 到 4 1 海 里 的 時 候 , 那 時 候 距 離 我 們 總 統 府 大 概 就 4 到 5 分 鐘 ,\n\n04:31.658 --> 04:35.919\n因 為 事 實 上 共 機 角 一 離 開 基 地 我 們 國 安 跟 國 防 單 位 都 可 以 知 道 他 們 大 概 飛 的 一 個 狀 況 所 以 透 過 這 些 聯 合 的 情 報 監 偵 都 可 以 掌 握 他 們 的 動 態\n\n05:07.931 --> 05:25.082\n這 部 分 我 應 該 也 知 道 了 就 我 們 的 國 軍 不 管 在 水 面 的 兵 力 或 空 中 的 兵 力 在 應 處 跟 中 國 的 這 些 戰 機 進 階 的 攔 截 過 程 當 中 都 有 一 套 S O P 的 作 業 程 序 而 且 地 面 的 雷 達 管 制 也 都 非 常 的 精 準 在 防 止 各 種 突 發 狀 況 的 發 生\n\n05:27.003 --> 05:49.186\n兩 岸 最 近 還 有 一 個 非 常 熱 的 一 個 題 目 , 就 是 我 們 台 灣 的 藝 人 啊 , 最 近 被 逼 著 要 表 態 , 對 不 對 ? 非 常 多 , 阿 信 啊 , 五 月 天 阿 信 在 北 京 鳥 巢 的 演 唱 會 提 到 說 我 們 是 中 國 人 嘛 , 那 看 起 來 台 灣 很 多 人 就 開 罵 了 , 就 開 罵 了 , 可 是 到 目 前 為 止 , 因 為 大 陸 那 些 小 粉 紅 一 直 在 逼 啊 , 我 們 已 經 有 7 8 位 藝 人 已 經 表 態 了 。\n\n05:49.963 --> 06:18.593\n我 看 這 個 賴 總 統 自 己 也 覺 得 不 捨 嘛 他 說 人 在 屋 簷 下 , 盼 國 人 給 予 諒 解 跟 體 諒 阿 富 汗 主 席 柯 文 哲 也 講 了 他 說 必 須 要 尊 重 表 演 藝 術 者 不 要 以 政 治 表 忠 的 方 式 破 壞 兩 岸 關 係 他 直 接 呼 籲 大 陸 這 些 民 眾 不 要 逼 著 我 們 的 藝 人 來 表 態 這 是 破 壞 兩 岸 關 係 的 可 是 他 也 提 到 喔 岸 盟 用 地 費 、 行 商 及 包 容 去 面 對 處 理 兩 岸 關 係 所 以 我 問 一 下\n\n06:20.225 --> 06:31.905\n國 安 局 這 邊 跟 陸 委 會 對 於 我 們 的 藝 人 他 們 做 了 很 多 公 益 嘛 像 五 月 天 雖 然 到 那 邊 講 那 個 話 可 是 他 們 回 來 你 看 花 蓮 的 正 哉 包 括 一 檢 高 雄 這 個 氣 爆 的 時 候 他 們 都 捐 了 非 常 多 的 錢\n\n06:34.003 --> 07:00.906\n對 於 藝 人 被 爆 表 態 的 事 情 , 你 們 怎 麼 看 ? 國 安 局 這 邊 先 說 明 , 等 下 請 陸 委 會 說 明 就 藝 人 遭 到 施 壓 的 問 題 , 剛 剛 也 跟 沈 伯 陽 委 員 有 做 一 些 說 明 大 概 中 共 操 作 的 手 法 跟 施 壓 的 狀 況 有 的 是 查 稅 的 , 有 的 是 要 簽 認 同 書 的 那 有 的 是 管 制 他 人 員 進 出 演 唱 會 的 數 量 那 以 這 個 來 施 壓 那 我 想 對 於 台 灣 的 藝 文 工 作 者 , 包 括 演 藝 人 的 人 來 講 他 就 面 臨 到 一 個 兩 難\n\n07:01.647 --> 07:02.768\n我 再 問 一 下 請 問 人 在 屋 簷 下 對 不 對 要 量 解 跟\n\n07:29.810 --> 07:30.130\n你 怎 麼 看 這 個 事 情 ?\n\n08:00.052 --> 08:28.389\n中 央 電 視 台 是 屬 於 中 宣 部 的 下 屬 單 位 所 以 這 一 次 的 操 作 大 概 就 是 我 覺 得 是 由 中 共 中 央 由 上 而 下 發 動 那 所 以 其 實 大 家 都 看 出 來 背 後 的 政 治 操 作 很 明 顯 那 所 以 我 們 要 譴 責 的 其 實 就 是 對 岸 的 這 種 政 治 體 制 那 這 也 是 為 什 麼 兩 岸 關 係 到 現 在 還 是 僵 局 的 狀 況 雖 然 對 岸 說 政 治 制 度 不 同 不 代 表\n\n08:29.689 --> 08:29.810\n接 下 來 ﹖\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.309,"end":1.57,"text":"請蔡局長及梁文傑兩副主委"},{"start":20.945,"end":39.509,"text":"賴總統就職演說有特別說到說願意以對話代替對抗特別是兩邊對等之下要重啓兩岸的觀光旅遊跟學衛生來台灣就學那很多媒體都把它解讀是一個地感染之馬我能不能很清楚的問我們開放"},{"start":42.406,"end":52.551,"text":"李游觀光團到大陸什麼時候會有好消息因為這個涉及到兩岸政策跟觀光政策應該要有夜館單位包括陸委會跟交通部來回答當然就是好啦那文傑你來"},{"start":55.97,"end":80.588,"text":"我們在考慮這個問題的時候首先要看一下有沒有對面的有沒有要做到對等性然後他到底有沒有善意目前看起來他從23、24號兩天的軍演兩天的軍演如果你要說他們是有善意的話對台灣很多人民來說是不能接受的但是我們"},{"start":82.323,"end":107.893,"text":"對自己的觀光旅遊業我們有自己的步驟跟考量所以其實這個事情跟對方的善意不善意最後可能沒有關係沒有關係這句話很重要喔跟對方的態度跟善意不見有關係所以我們是按照自己的步驟嘛對不對文傑包括總統在就職演說這樣講就是本來我們應該有擬定好自己的步驟跟時間表對不對所以我今天非常具體的問你"},{"start":109.013,"end":135.501,"text":"很多人都很期待,這幾天好消息也一直傳出來說最近就會定案,最近就會開放嗎?差不多時程是怎樣?我們對於,不管是對於陸生還是對於觀光我們都有自己的規劃跟時間表所以這個事情其實都在規劃中,規劃討論中昨天教育部部長已經把時程講出來了他說每年都會,這個招生減傷就有了那觀光旅遊這一塊呢?"},{"start":139.534,"end":158.386,"text":"一直在傳說這個月的月底,最晚下個月會有好消息,是這樣嗎?我們規劃討論中,然後會有交通部來跟大家說明規劃討論中,然後是會有好消息,對不對?會有交通部來跟大家說明還沒辦法確定是不是好消息,還是會是好消息,由交通部來公佈?"},{"start":162.281,"end":176.927,"text":"你說剛剛是講你們已經有規劃嘛事實上你如果從總統的就職演說特別把這個提出來是那講的是陸生這一塊教育部已經講了嘛對不對那顯然就是我們自己有規劃而且是往正面在走了嘛對我們有自己的有自己的規劃什麼時候有好消息"},{"start":180.29,"end":203.848,"text":"什麼時候?你給我一個時辰,你們本來就有時間表嘛對不對?你剛也提了不用等大陸什麼有善意或者他們的動作啊你剛不是這樣講嗎?我應該是這樣講,很多人把這個這個觀光團或是陸生當作說兩邊有沒有善意但是其實我們這樣一路看下來特別是從520到現在其實對方"},{"start":206.104,"end":211.305,"text":"我會問你是因為各界一直在有期待而且各界一直傳說最近有好消息所以我才問你嘛是最近會有好消息嘛對不對你講的就已經有時間表啦"},{"start":228.301,"end":246.338,"text":"為什麼不能講,你講一下現在所有的觀光業者跟很多民眾在等你的答案我們陸委會是參與規劃討論,但是組織的單位是交通部你們當交通部,你們幫他做了決定,有時間表了,要等交通部來我們沒有幫他們做決定,我們參與討論,一起討論其實腦袋是陸委會"},{"start":252.284,"end":270.677,"text":"很多人在關心還台的這個經驗,其實更加緊張,我覺得對台灣,當然那個租款比較安全,一定要先顧到,裡面我覺得現在挑戰最大,其實是大陸的經濟越飛越近,對不對,越飛越近,它飛到41海里的時候,那時候距離我們總統府大概就4到5分鐘,"},{"start":271.658,"end":275.919,"text":"因為事實上共機角一離開基地我們國安跟國防單位都可以知道他們大概飛的一個狀況所以透過這些聯合的情報監偵都可以掌握他們的動態"},{"start":307.931,"end":325.082,"text":"這部分我應該也知道了就我們的國軍不管在水面的兵力或空中的兵力在應處跟中國的這些戰機進階的攔截過程當中都有一套SOP的作業程序而且地面的雷達管制也都非常的精準在防止各種突發狀況的發生"},{"start":327.003,"end":349.186,"text":"兩岸最近還有一個非常熱的一個題目,就是我們台灣的藝人啊,最近被逼著要表態,對不對?非常多,阿信啊,五月天阿信在北京鳥巢的演唱會提到說我們是中國人嘛,那看起來台灣很多人就開罵了,就開罵了,可是到目前為止,因為大陸那些小粉紅一直在逼啊,我們已經有78位藝人已經表態了。"},{"start":349.963,"end":378.593,"text":"我看這個賴總統自己也覺得不捨嘛他說人在屋簷下,盼國人給予諒解跟體諒阿富汗主席柯文哲也講了他說必須要尊重表演藝術者不要以政治表忠的方式破壞兩岸關係他直接呼籲大陸這些民眾不要逼著我們的藝人來表態這是破壞兩岸關係的可是他也提到喔岸盟用地費、行商及包容去面對處理兩岸關係所以我問一下"},{"start":380.225,"end":391.905,"text":"國安局這邊跟陸委會對於我們的藝人他們做了很多公益嘛像五月天雖然到那邊講那個話可是他們回來你看花蓮的正哉包括一檢高雄這個氣爆的時候他們都捐了非常多的錢"},{"start":394.003,"end":420.906,"text":"對於藝人被爆表態的事情,你們怎麼看?國安局這邊先說明,等下請陸委會說明就藝人遭到施壓的問題,剛剛也跟沈伯陽委員有做一些說明大概中共操作的手法跟施壓的狀況有的是查稅的,有的是要簽認同書的那有的是管制他人員進出演唱會的數量那以這個來施壓那我想對於台灣的藝文工作者,包括演藝人的人來講他就面臨到一個兩難"},{"start":421.647,"end":422.768,"text":"我再問一下請問人在屋簷下對不對要量解跟"},{"start":449.81,"end":450.13,"text":"你怎麼看這個事情?"},{"start":480.052,"end":508.389,"text":"中央電視台是屬於中宣部的下屬單位所以這一次的操作大概就是我覺得是由中共中央由上而下發動那所以其實大家都看出來背後的政治操作很明顯那所以我們要譴責的其實就是對岸的這種政治體制那這也是為什麼兩岸關係到現在還是僵局的狀況雖然對岸說政治制度不同不代表"},{"start":509.689,"end":509.81,"text":"接下來﹖"}]}}}}