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員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6357\t6678\t有請部長跟署長\n12228\t39437\t委員好部長好就是剛剛培育委員其實你幫我破題了不過我也想要呼籲一下培育委員李尚往來雖然他已經走了就是說因為我自己的小孩也是從小4歲開始踢足球所以對足球這件事情我也是非常關心所以之後如果我們相關討論的話可能我們可以兩個辦公室一起來跟部長做一些詳細的討論因為我自己基本上從4歲開始踢所以這小孩已經10歲在一路上面踢了非常多的球賽知道球場的狀況一清二楚\n40217\t40778\t張委員提到的部分\n59301\t77617\t特色公園,只要不是那種塑膠或者是看起來像罐頭的油具的話,應該都可以算是特色公園,因為它每個的設計都不相同。好,我想就是說,我們在講特色公園,其實公園是給誰玩的?是給小孩玩的,像這樣子遊戲設施啦,應該這樣講,兒童遊戲場是給兒童玩的。\n81640\t107793\t其實我們可以看到左邊的是一個比較高大的挑戰的攀爬設施右邊這個是珍珠奶茶公園在台中我們也可以非常清楚的看到它的設施是相對的低矮的大家對於特色公園的想像好像就是我只要做出一些特色我就可以了可是他們忽略了重點還是兒童的身心發展所以這幾年其實台灣雖然有非常非常多的特色公園\n109735\t110716\t其實從剛剛那張照片我們就可以知道其實不完全是\n137395\t137795\t王美達卡公園\n157196\t186238\t希望就是說跟部長來請教一件事情就是說因為我們的特色公園的標準其實是非常各縣市差異非常大我們沒有相關的標準所以等於是各縣市政府我自己去摸索我要怎麼去做所謂的特色什麼的共融那再來就是說我們也沒有相關的指引所以變成說落差品質也差異很大尤其在圍管的部分差異也非常大那再來剛剛可以看到六都集合了八成的特色公園可是事實上六都只集合了七成的小孩\n187139\t194113\t等於是說在一些縣市的政府他其實因為受限於可能財政或是他可能找不到資源等等的他的兒童遊戲權就相對被剝奪了\n196809\t218667\t所以我想要跟部長來請教就是說我們有沒有可能參照公園綠地系統規劃的這個設計參考手冊我們來做一個公園的一個相關的規劃設計參考手冊給我們的縣市更清楚的指引跟方向讓他們可以做出更符合兒童身心發展的特色公園呢\n222730\t237237\t謝謝委員的垂詢我相信委員非常照顧我們台灣的這些兒童尤其他們身心發展那特色公園在我們內政部所主導的就是它的土地硬體的部分\n238737\t258463\t軟體的部分像您所說的小孩子你要多高好的身材或是用什麼樣方式能夠讓小孩子在一個安全無虞的環境之下能夠有油氣的空間那就變成內政部要跟衛福部共同來討論就像您剛所說的你推出的公園如果太高那看起來是小孩子沒有辦法攀爬得到的\n258763\t258963\t李卓人議員\n277847\t299712\t所以訂定一個基準很簡單的基準包括您剛所提到的內政部營建署所提到的這個特色公園這個操作手冊如果未來可以合乎更多我們所謂的這個特色公園然後可以讓我們更多的小朋友或是兒童能夠在裡面更符合他們身心發展的部分的話我們會來配合著改進跟檢討\n301152\t320723\t內政部國土管理署組織法第2條有講到國土區域及地方都市計劃政策制度的規劃跟推動都市計劃裡面就包含兒童遊戲場所以希望這個部分今天也非常高興就是部長願意一起來我們來制定相關的手冊其實我要講的是說我們不是要告訴他們\n321744\t322164\t張雅琳委員\n","txt":"有請部長跟署長\n委員好部長好就是剛剛培育委員其實你幫我破題了不過我也想要呼籲一下培育委員李尚往來雖然他已經走了就是說因為我自己的小孩也是從小4歲開始踢足球所以對足球這件事情我也是非常關心所以之後如果我們相關討論的話可能我們可以兩個辦公室一起來跟部長做一些詳細的討論因為我自己基本上從4歲開始踢所以這小孩已經10歲在一路上面踢了非常多的球賽知道球場的狀況一清二楚\n張委員提到的部分\n特色公園,只要不是那種塑膠或者是看起來像罐頭的油具的話,應該都可以算是特色公園,因為它每個的設計都不相同。好,我想就是說,我們在講特色公園,其實公園是給誰玩的?是給小孩玩的,像這樣子遊戲設施啦,應該這樣講,兒童遊戲場是給兒童玩的。\n其實我們可以看到左邊的是一個比較高大的挑戰的攀爬設施右邊這個是珍珠奶茶公園在台中我們也可以非常清楚的看到它的設施是相對的低矮的大家對於特色公園的想像好像就是我只要做出一些特色我就可以了可是他們忽略了重點還是兒童的身心發展所以這幾年其實台灣雖然有非常非常多的特色公園\n其實從剛剛那張照片我們就可以知道其實不完全是\n王美達卡公園\n希望就是說跟部長來請教一件事情就是說因為我們的特色公園的標準其實是非常各縣市差異非常大我們沒有相關的標準所以等於是各縣市政府我自己去摸索我要怎麼去做所謂的特色什麼的共融那再來就是說我們也沒有相關的指引所以變成說落差品質也差異很大尤其在圍管的部分差異也非常大那再來剛剛可以看到六都集合了八成的特色公園可是事實上六都只集合了七成的小孩\n等於是說在一些縣市的政府他其實因為受限於可能財政或是他可能找不到資源等等的他的兒童遊戲權就相對被剝奪了\n所以我想要跟部長來請教就是說我們有沒有可能參照公園綠地系統規劃的這個設計參考手冊我們來做一個公園的一個相關的規劃設計參考手冊給我們的縣市更清楚的指引跟方向讓他們可以做出更符合兒童身心發展的特色公園呢\n謝謝委員的垂詢我相信委員非常照顧我們台灣的這些兒童尤其他們身心發展那特色公園在我們內政部所主導的就是它的土地硬體的部分\n軟體的部分像您所說的小孩子你要多高好的身材或是用什麼樣方式能夠讓小孩子在一個安全無虞的環境之下能夠有油氣的空間那就變成內政部要跟衛福部共同來討論就像您剛所說的你推出的公園如果太高那看起來是小孩子沒有辦法攀爬得到的\n李卓人議員\n所以訂定一個基準很簡單的基準包括您剛所提到的內政部營建署所提到的這個特色公園這個操作手冊如果未來可以合乎更多我們所謂的這個特色公園然後可以讓我們更多的小朋友或是兒童能夠在裡面更符合他們身心發展的部分的話我們會來配合著改進跟檢討\n內政部國土管理署組織法第2條有講到國土區域及地方都市計劃政策制度的規劃跟推動都市計劃裡面就包含兒童遊戲場所以希望這個部分今天也非常高興就是部長願意一起來我們來制定相關的手冊其實我要講的是說我們不是要告訴他們\n張雅琳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.357 --> 00:06.678\n有 請 部 長 跟 署 長\n\n00:12.228 --> 00:39.437\n委 員 好 部 長 好 就 是 剛 剛 培 育 委 員 其 實 你 幫 我 破 題 了 不 過 我 也 想 要 呼 籲 一 下 培 育 委 員 李 尚 往 來 雖 然 他 已 經 走 了 就 是 說 因 為 我 自 己 的 小 孩 也 是 從 小 4 歲 開 始 踢 足 球 所 以 對 足 球 這 件 事 情 我 也 是 非 常 關 心 所 以 之 後 如 果 我 們 相 關 討 論 的 話 可 能 我 們 可 以 兩 個 辦 公 室 一 起 來 跟 部 長 做 一 些 詳 細 的 討 論 因 為 我 自 己 基 本 上 從 4 歲 開 始 踢 所 以 這 小 孩 已 經 1 0 歲 在 一 路 上 面 踢 了 非 常 多 的 球 賽 知 道 球 場 的 狀 況 一 清 二 楚\n\n00:40.217 --> 00:40.778\n張 委 員 提 到 的 部 分\n\n00:59.301 --> 01:17.617\n特 色 公 園 , 只 要 不 是 那 種 塑 膠 或 者 是 看 起 來 像 罐 頭 的 油 具 的 話 , 應 該 都 可 以 算 是 特 色 公 園 , 因 為 它 每 個 的 設 計 都 不 相 同 。 好 , 我 想 就 是 說 , 我 們 在 講 特 色 公 園 , 其 實 公 園 是 給 誰 玩 的 ? 是 給 小 孩 玩 的 , 像 這 樣 子 遊 戲 設 施 啦 , 應 該 這 樣 講 , 兒 童 遊 戲 場 是 給 兒 童 玩 的 。\n\n01:21.640 --> 01:47.793\n其 實 我 們 可 以 看 到 左 邊 的 是 一 個 比 較 高 大 的 挑 戰 的 攀 爬 設 施 右 邊 這 個 是 珍 珠 奶 茶 公 園 在 台 中 我 們 也 可 以 非 常 清 楚 的 看 到 它 的 設 施 是 相 對 的 低 矮 的 大 家 對 於 特 色 公 園 的 想 像 好 像 就 是 我 只 要 做 出 一 些 特 色 我 就 可 以 了 可 是 他 們 忽 略 了 重 點 還 是 兒 童 的 身 心 發 展 所 以 這 幾 年 其 實 台 灣 雖 然 有 非 常 非 常 多 的 特 色 公 園\n\n01:49.735 --> 01:50.716\n其 實 從 剛 剛 那 張 照 片 我 們 就 可 以 知 道 其 實 不 完 全 是\n\n02:17.395 --> 02:17.795\n王 美 達 卡 公 園\n\n02:37.196 --> 03:06.238\n希 望 就 是 說 跟 部 長 來 請 教 一 件 事 情 就 是 說 因 為 我 們 的 特 色 公 園 的 標 準 其 實 是 非 常 各 縣 市 差 異 非 常 大 我 們 沒 有 相 關 的 標 準 所 以 等 於 是 各 縣 市 政 府 我 自 己 去 摸 索 我 要 怎 麼 去 做 所 謂 的 特 色 什 麼 的 共 融 那 再 來 就 是 說 我 們 也 沒 有 相 關 的 指 引 所 以 變 成 說 落 差 品 質 也 差 異 很 大 尤 其 在 圍 管 的 部 分 差 異 也 非 常 大 那 再 來 剛 剛 可 以 看 到 六 都 集 合 了 八 成 的 特 色 公 園 可 是 事 實 上 六 都 只 集 合 了 七 成 的 小 孩\n\n03:07.139 --> 03:14.113\n等 於 是 說 在 一 些 縣 市 的 政 府 他 其 實 因 為 受 限 於 可 能 財 政 或 是 他 可 能 找 不 到 資 源 等 等 的 他 的 兒 童 遊 戲 權 就 相 對 被 剝 奪 了\n\n03:16.809 --> 03:38.667\n所 以 我 想 要 跟 部 長 來 請 教 就 是 說 我 們 有 沒 有 可 能 參 照 公 園 綠 地 系 統 規 劃 的 這 個 設 計 參 考 手 冊 我 們 來 做 一 個 公 園 的 一 個 相 關 的 規 劃 設 計 參 考 手 冊 給 我 們 的 縣 市 更 清 楚 的 指 引 跟 方 向 讓 他 們 可 以 做 出 更 符 合 兒 童 身 心 發 展 的 特 色 公 園 呢\n\n03:42.730 --> 03:57.237\n謝 謝 委 員 的 垂 詢 我 相 信 委 員 非 常 照 顧 我 們 台 灣 的 這 些 兒 童 尤 其 他 們 身 心 發 展 那 特 色 公 園 在 我 們 內 政 部 所 主 導 的 就 是 它 的 土 地 硬 體 的 部 分\n\n03:58.737 --> 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