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然後在這樣的一些\n96612\t121233\t運動上面我覺得非常的值得鼓勵尤其他取名叫做青鳥這個青鳥一開始是說因為青島東陸因為說如果我在一些演算法我打青島說我的流量會被調降所以他們就刻意把這個島打成鳥就變成青鳥事實上這個青鳥他在比利時他是一個預言故事\n122590\t146306\t這個預言故事以代表性的意思就是說這些青鳥他代表的就是幸福跟希望那比利時的一個預言說那過去有一對兄妹這個兄妹他就一直覺得說我只要找到青鳥我就可以找到他自己的幸福跟希望所以他們就翻山越嶺爬山涉水千里迢迢去找找不到\n147355\t174720\t找不到青鳥這對這對兄妹就很失望然後他就回到家裡回到家裡才發現哇青鳥就在家裡啦在家裡然後才發現哇幸福就在身邊可是他自己家裡的身邊的一個家人都老了因為他們去找青鳥花了好多的時間我覺得這個預言就代表著我們看到這對兄妹這個兄應該叫做國民黨\n176007\t203066\t妹就叫做民眾黨他們千里迢迢的要去中國尋找青鳥他們以為幸福在中國幸福在那邊翻山越嶺這樣亂找亂找找了半天他們找不到啦結果突然發現說真的我們的幸福就是我們這裡的年輕人就是在自己台灣的年輕人\n204714\t223884\t所以我們看到年輕人用輕巧行動展現他們對於整個公共政策的形成過程可以展現人民的聲音展現不同的意見這個我們要去珍惜他們我講這個意思是說我看到的這幾天年輕人在網路上他們用他們的創作\n224642\t235867\t感動很多人我覺得然後用這個青鳥的這個預言我們也希望國民黨民眾黨可以像這個兄妹一樣他們要知道\n236536\t259797\t真正幸福就是自己的家裡所以就回來台灣 讓台灣更好所以我們內政委員會未來可能會討論很多的法案包括不再集投票是不是涉及到了中國包括討論到中配的年限的問題要比照外配但是這中間要如何避免有國安的疑慮\n261431\t271066\t就是說我們怎麼做我們一定要先修復到我們台灣台灣的利益你沒得顧好你自己要去尋找在中國的幸福行不通的\n272028\t286884\t所以部長我跟你講就是說你未來你就會面對很多的挑戰我剛剛只是列舉了兩個我知道因為你身為內政部你要掌管的事情這麼多但是我覺得堅守我們顧好台灣讓我們的一代我們的年輕人可以幸福發展這才是我們的目標好不好\n293837\t314933\t好 我想委員講得非常的正確 青鳥行動就像您剛所提到的這個預言的部分那其實我也非常感動的部分就是說除了台北市的現場以外 其他的外縣市不管是在公共場合裡面 他們所表達出來不管是透過網路的表達 你會發現到他們勇於發出他們的聲音\n315413\t331307\t我想就是我們的下一代年輕世代裡面的面對未來公共政策討論的時候他們不會懼怕不會說上面有一個老大哥在看著你所以會懼怕他們勇於表達所以我覺得這樣子的一個新世代讓我們非常感動沒有錯 這個青鳥行動就是說我們一代大家都是勇敢大家可以把意見說出來而且他們在\n336092\t336252\t蔡易餘委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 那我們是不是有請部長 蔡委員你好部長 先恭喜你就任我們內政部 那過去也跟你有兩屆的在立法院當任同事\n蔡易餘議員\n非常謝謝蔡委員的關心因為這幾場大型的群眾集會活動我都有在現場\n我自己個人覺得相當的不錯尤其是主辦單位或者是其他的協辦的團體還有包括在這場中的次序等等這些除了有一些在溝通上的小瑕疵以外跟我們的溝通上都沒有太大的問題所以我覺得非常不錯尤其是年輕人他們願意勇於表達自己的聲音讓這個聲音大家都看得見不管未來在立法院的審查的結果是如何我相信\n這是新世代公民的行動的聲音 值得肯定對 就是現在的年輕人 他們勇於就是說展現自我的創意 然後在這樣的一些\n運動上面我覺得非常的值得鼓勵尤其他取名叫做青鳥這個青鳥一開始是說因為青島東陸因為說如果我在一些演算法我打青島說我的流量會被調降所以他們就刻意把這個島打成鳥就變成青鳥事實上這個青鳥他在比利時他是一個預言故事\n這個預言故事以代表性的意思就是說這些青鳥他代表的就是幸福跟希望那比利時的一個預言說那過去有一對兄妹這個兄妹他就一直覺得說我只要找到青鳥我就可以找到他自己的幸福跟希望所以他們就翻山越嶺爬山涉水千里迢迢去找找不到\n找不到青鳥這對這對兄妹就很失望然後他就回到家裡回到家裡才發現哇青鳥就在家裡啦在家裡然後才發現哇幸福就在身邊可是他自己家裡的身邊的一個家人都老了因為他們去找青鳥花了好多的時間我覺得這個預言就代表著我們看到這對兄妹這個兄應該叫做國民黨\n妹就叫做民眾黨他們千里迢迢的要去中國尋找青鳥他們以為幸福在中國幸福在那邊翻山越嶺這樣亂找亂找找了半天他們找不到啦結果突然發現說真的我們的幸福就是我們這裡的年輕人就是在自己台灣的年輕人\n所以我們看到年輕人用輕巧行動展現他們對於整個公共政策的形成過程可以展現人民的聲音展現不同的意見這個我們要去珍惜他們我講這個意思是說我看到的這幾天年輕人在網路上他們用他們的創作\n感動很多人我覺得然後用這個青鳥的這個預言我們也希望國民黨民眾黨可以像這個兄妹一樣他們要知道\n真正幸福就是自己的家裡所以就回來台灣 讓台灣更好所以我們內政委員會未來可能會討論很多的法案包括不再集投票是不是涉及到了中國包括討論到中配的年限的問題要比照外配但是這中間要如何避免有國安的疑慮\n就是說我們怎麼做我們一定要先修復到我們台灣台灣的利益你沒得顧好你自己要去尋找在中國的幸福行不通的\n所以部長我跟你講就是說你未來你就會面對很多的挑戰我剛剛只是列舉了兩個我知道因為你身為內政部你要掌管的事情這麼多但是我覺得堅守我們顧好台灣讓我們的一代我們的年輕人可以幸福發展這才是我們的目標好不好\n好 我想委員講得非常的正確 青鳥行動就像您剛所提到的這個預言的部分那其實我也非常感動的部分就是說除了台北市的現場以外 其他的外縣市不管是在公共場合裡面 他們所表達出來不管是透過網路的表達 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