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年 我 們 又 把 地 制 法 第 8 3 條 之 七 修 正 回 來 恢 復 它 的 公 法 人 地 位 但 是 有 一 些 東 西 就 落 掉 了 齁 因 為 裁 員 的 部 分 我 們 直 轄 市 改 制 前 各 該 三 地 鄉 前 三 年 度 課 收 入 平 均 數 導 致 我 們 這 些 直 轄 市 的 園 區 它 的 稅 課 收 入 呢 驟 降 變 零\n\n10\n00:03:37,034 --> 00:03:38,195\n對 因 為 他 的 主 政 機 關 是 在 於 我 們 的 財 稅 單 位\n\n11\n00:04:04,172 --> 00:04:06,593\n第 三 個 部 分 就 是 想 要 請 教 因 為 我 們 之 前\n\n12\n00:04:24,878 --> 00:04:51,776\n我 特 別 感 謝 就 是 在 非 都 土 地 使 用 管 制 規 則 復 表 裡 面 去 納 入 了 露 營 場 讓 小 型 露 營 場 得 以 合 法 化 但 是 我 們 也 知 道 國 土 計 劃 法 要 上 路 就 是 要 廢 掉 這 個 非 都 所 以 在 這 邊 我 就 是 想 要 說 如 果 說 一 旦 廢 止 是 不 是 會 回 到 國 土 計 劃 法 那 因 為 時 間 的 關 係 我 是 想 說 到 辦 公 室 來 說 明 好 不 好\n\n13\n00:04:55,459 --> 00:05:13,014\n國 路 加 上 路 以 後 原 有 合 法 的 使 用 都 可 以 繼 續 維 持 沒 有 動 那 很 多 落 在 國 土 保 育 區 農 業 發 展 區 的 露 營 場 大 家 也 都 抱 著 遲 疑 能 不 能 持 續 經 營 那 相 關 的 執 法 他 的 一 個 目 前 輔 導 方 向 都 來 跟 我 做 說 明 好 不 好\n\n14\n00:05:13,635 --> 00:05:27,104\n好 謝 謝 那 另 外 就 是 那 個 宗 教 團 體 以 自 然 人 民 益 的 部 分 我 聽 到 很 多 很 多 都 是 跟 我 說 來 不 及 啦 我 想 部 長 您 應 該 也 很 清 楚 所 以 我 是 聽 到 說 應 該 會 延 長 對 吧 但 是 我 要 問 另 外 一 個 問 題 就 是 當 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