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民\n\n3\n00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:41,310\n蘇 巧 慧 蘇 巧 慧\n\n4\n00:01:03,091 --> 00:01:19,735\n諮 商 取 得 原 住 民 族 部 落 同 意 參 與 辦 法 和 原 住 民 土 地 使 用 規 則 、 原 住 民 族 保 留 地 管 理 利 用 條 例 的 立 法 , 現 在 都 在 進 度 上 嗎 ? 因 為 都 寫 成 業 務 報 告 了 。 是 。 所 以 都 會 有 願 版 ?\n\n5\n00:01:19,735 --> 00:01:22,416\n對 , 我 們 都 會 提 出 來 。 那 什 麼 時 候 會 提 啊 ?\n\n6\n00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:29,178\n我 們 內 部 討 論 , 因 為 很 快 的 時 間 , 我 們 這 至 少 這 三 個 月 內 我 們 會 慢 慢 提 出 來 。 喔 , 這 樣 , 三 個 月 內 喔 ?\n\n7\n00:01:33,168 --> 00:01:54,320\n主 委 這 真 的 都 是 蠻 大 的 事 情 我 是 希 望 能 夠 有 比 較 綜 合 的 各 個 面 向 都 能 夠 討 論 完 整 之 後 再 提 出 來 因 為 像 我 們 今 天 的 這 一 部 法 律 其 實 我 必 須 說 過 去 我 對 原 民 會 的 印 象 就 是 其 實 原 民 會 很 辛 苦 因 為 原 民 會 其 實 就 有 點 像 小 的 行 政 院\n\n8\n00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:23,352\n說 實 在 的 因 為 他 是 用 身 份 別 作 為 一 個 區 隔 但 是 所 有 這 些 有 身 份 的 人 他 還 是 是 人 所 以 他 會 有 教 育 文 化 交 通 甚 至 是 經 濟 工 作 等 等 所 有 的 事 情 健 康 通 通 都 會 有 所 以 你 看 一 個 小 小 的 原 民 會 裡 面 分 這 麼 多 處 以 這 樣 的 人 力 跟 這 樣 的 資 源 要 處 理 這 麼 多 事 務 實 在 是 同 仁 都 很 辛 苦 喔 那 所 以 原 民 會 的 事 情 我 們 通 常 都 會 大 力 的 支 持\n\n9\n00:02:23,892 --> 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我其實今天準備的稿子這個是蠻複雜的啦那我其實是這樣講我們今天要訂的這個法其實會跟現在非常多法律是相關的包括原住民族的基本法我們根據第28條所以有這麼多的項目我們希望都能夠再有進一步的法治規劃那可是你來看喔\n如果本條例裡面跟健康促進相關的本條例說大部分四個版本都有說提供都會原住民健康促進及衛生保健服務可是我們在原住民族的健康法也有規定啦那這一些項目到底是應該用原住民族健康法作為依規還是是要用原住民都會現在要做的這一部法案來做依規呢這兩者到底是誰先誰後好再來第二個給你看的話語言發展法語言發展法裡面也一樣啊\n原發展法裏面甚至是規定的更詳細從國民教育到主管機關跟地方的相關他要怎麼去設立科系所學成學位甚至是縣市主管機關應開設原住民族語言學習課程供民眾休息等等他規定的這麼細了那現在做了\n多做了一個這個都會原住民族的這個相關條例的話那到底是要用哪一個做依規甚至第三個我舉第三個第三個的話這個我們在這個工作權益促進的部分也是一樣所以我們有這麼多的法規它到底是互相焊隔還是是有重複不需要另定還是是我們必須把它中整起來變成一部跟都市原住民相關的法律這個態度當然要能夠清楚嘛\n所以第一個有沒有相關的法條的整理配套這是我認為應該要執行的第二個就是您剛剛說的跟各部會相關部會以及地方縣市政府都應該要有他們的明確具體的態度以及會發生的影響要怎麼處理這也是應該要有的資料啊所以主委我這樣想合理嘛\n目前沒有這個限制捏\n目前當然是沒有說我是問你有沒有要接下來因為你要保障的東西很多你要給的權益很多所以你有沒有要這個限制你可能也要告訴我們嘛那最後我其實更想知道是說那你訂了這部專法之後是可以解決什麼問題嗎比如說像我自己這邊我是在土樹山陰嘛那我們要的聚會所一直沒有辦法設置起來啊那所以有了這部法就可以解決這些問題嗎就這部法到底要解決哪一些問題不是應該先講一下\n是不是可以在正式進入法條審查之前貴會可以提供我們委員你訂了這部法尤其是你剛剛說你有專法的有期待要訂專法嘛 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也 一 樣 啊\n\n05:50.595 --> 06:08.075\n原 發 展 法 裏 面 甚 至 是 規 定 的 更 詳 細 從 國 民 教 育 到 主 管 機 關 跟 地 方 的 相 關 他 要 怎 麼 去 設 立 科 系 所 學 成 學 位 甚 至 是 縣 市 主 管 機 關 應 開 設 原 住 民 族 語 言 學 習 課 程 供 民 眾 休 息 等 等 他 規 定 的 這 麼 細 了 那 現 在 做 了\n\n06:09.997 --> 06:36.883\n多 做 了 一 個 這 個 都 會 原 住 民 族 的 這 個 相 關 條 例 的 話 那 到 底 是 要 用 哪 一 個 做 依 規 甚 至 第 三 個 我 舉 第 三 個 第 三 個 的 話 這 個 我 們 在 這 個 工 作 權 益 促 進 的 部 分 也 是 一 樣 所 以 我 們 有 這 麼 多 的 法 規 它 到 底 是 互 相 焊 隔 還 是 是 有 重 複 不 需 要 另 定 還 是 是 我 們 必 須 把 它 中 整 起 來 變 成 一 部 跟 都 市 原 住 民 相 關 的 法 律 這 個 態 度 當 然 要 能 夠 清 楚 嘛\n\n06:39.184 --> 07:00.635\n所 以 第 一 個 有 沒 有 相 關 的 法 條 的 整 理 配 套 這 是 我 認 為 應 該 要 執 行 的 第 二 個 就 是 您 剛 剛 說 的 跟 各 部 會 相 關 部 會 以 及 地 方 縣 市 政 府 都 應 該 要 有 他 們 的 明 確 具 體 的 態 度 以 及 會 發 生 的 影 響 要 怎 麼 處 理 這 也 是 應 該 要 有 的 資 料 啊 所 以 主 委 我 這 樣 想 合 理 嘛\n\n07:01.175 --> 07:01.915\n目 前 沒 有 這 個 限 制 捏\n\n07:31.124 --> 07:55.714\n目 前 當 然 是 沒 有 說 我 是 問 你 有 沒 有 要 接 下 來 因 為 你 要 保 障 的 東 西 很 多 你 要 給 的 權 益 很 多 所 以 你 有 沒 有 要 這 個 限 制 你 可 能 也 要 告 訴 我 們 嘛 那 最 後 我 其 實 更 想 知 道 是 說 那 你 訂 了 這 部 專 法 之 後 是 可 以 解 決 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所以都會有願版?"},{"start":79.735,"end":82.416,"text":"對,我們都會提出來。 那什麼時候會提啊?"},{"start":82.416,"end":89.178,"text":"我們內部討論,因為很快的時間,我們這至少這三個月內我們會慢慢提出來。 喔,這樣,三個月內喔?"},{"start":93.168,"end":114.32,"text":"主委 這真的都是蠻大的事情我是希望能夠有比較綜合的各個面向都能夠討論完整之後再提出來因為像我們今天的這一部法律其實我必須說過去我對原民會的印象就是其實原民會很辛苦因為原民會其實就有點像小的行政院"},{"start":115.36,"end":143.352,"text":"說實在的因為他是用身份別作為一個區隔但是所有這些有身份的人他還是是人所以他會有教育文化交通甚至是經濟工作等等所有的事情健康通通都會有所以你看一個小小的原民會裡面分這麼多處以這樣的人力跟這樣的資源要處理這麼多事務實在是同仁都很辛苦喔那所以原民會的事情我們通常都會大力的支持"},{"start":143.892,"end":161.732,"text":"但若今天看到這一部法律案,如果我們把這一部法來細究的話,其實這一部法又包含了所有的面向,剛剛所有點到的教育、醫療、工作、健康等等,通通都有包括。"},{"start":162.333,"end":188.798,"text":"所以剛剛在說我們這件事情是橫跨的如果以橫軸來講的話是橫跨各部會縱軸來講的話從地方到中央通通都會包含這個要徵詢的意見實在是非常的多那主委請問你有算過那個幕僚單位有給你資料大概會牽涉多少單位嗎那現在徵詢討論的意見已經完成了多少"},{"start":191.413,"end":191.873,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":208.746,"end":209.306,"text":"主委,你知道有多少的單位嗎?"},{"start":225.151,"end":251.782,"text":"是多到說不完呢還是是說是一個你可以已經掌握了解很多了那我更具體的問題是那這一些部會你都溝通到什麼程度了因為我們今天已經如果一切順利進行的話我們詢答完就要開始進入審查了所以各部會的意見是非常重要的我們想要了解一下你跟多少部會已經溝通過了這些部會的態度如何這是很重要的事情啊"},{"start":252.605,"end":278.343,"text":"我們至少是跟八個部會都有做說明做溝通但是我想因為我們持續還要那他們都同意嗎基本上院板上他們都有同意院板還沒有送進來耶也就是我們的這個草案啦我們自己會裡面的草案可是我們沒有看到你這個草案那你的草案什麼時候要送來所以你們有草案所以你們是贊成制定的"},{"start":279.65,"end":279.69,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":298.321,"end":303.223,"text":"主委 我其實今天準備的稿子這個是蠻複雜的啦那我其實是這樣講我們今天要訂的這個法其實會跟現在非常多法律是相關的包括原住民族的基本法我們根據第28條所以有這麼多的項目我們希望都能夠再有進一步的法治規劃那可是你來看喔"},{"start":323.112,"end":345.311,"text":"如果本條例裡面跟健康促進相關的本條例說大部分四個版本都有說提供都會原住民健康促進及衛生保健服務可是我們在原住民族的健康法也有規定啦那這一些項目到底是應該用原住民族健康法作為依規還是是要用原住民都會現在要做的這一部法案來做依規呢這兩者到底是誰先誰後好再來第二個給你看的話語言發展法語言發展法裡面也一樣啊"},{"start":350.595,"end":368.075,"text":"原發展法裏面甚至是規定的更詳細從國民教育到主管機關跟地方的相關他要怎麼去設立科系所學成學位甚至是縣市主管機關應開設原住民族語言學習課程供民眾休息等等他規定的這麼細了那現在做了"},{"start":369.997,"end":396.883,"text":"多做了一個這個都會原住民族的這個相關條例的話那到底是要用哪一個做依規甚至第三個我舉第三個第三個的話這個我們在這個工作權益促進的部分也是一樣所以我們有這麼多的法規它到底是互相焊隔還是是有重複不需要另定還是是我們必須把它中整起來變成一部跟都市原住民相關的法律這個態度當然要能夠清楚嘛"},{"start":399.184,"end":420.635,"text":"所以第一個有沒有相關的法條的整理配套這是我認為應該要執行的第二個就是您剛剛說的跟各部會相關部會以及地方縣市政府都應該要有他們的明確具體的態度以及會發生的影響要怎麼處理這也是應該要有的資料啊所以主委我這樣想合理嘛"},{"start":421.175,"end":421.915,"text":"目前沒有這個限制捏"},{"start":451.124,"end":475.714,"text":"目前當然是沒有說我是問你有沒有要接下來因為你要保障的東西很多你要給的權益很多所以你有沒有要這個限制你可能也要告訴我們嘛那最後我其實更想知道是說那你訂了這部專法之後是可以解決什麼問題嗎比如說像我自己這邊我是在土樹山陰嘛那我們要的聚會所一直沒有辦法設置起來啊那所以有了這部法就可以解決這些問題嗎就這部法到底要解決哪一些問題不是應該先講一下"},{"start":478.695,"end":505.749,"text":"是不是可以在正式進入法條審查之前貴會可以提供我們委員你訂了這部法尤其是你剛剛說你有專法的有期待要訂專法嘛 對不對你要解決哪一些問題所以哪一些法條因為設計了設置了就可以解決這個資料可以一份到辦公室來嗎好好嗎好好那還有前面我剛剛揚揚灑灑念了這麼多"},{"start":507.91,"end":521.597,"text":"我們如果今天下午就開始審查你有辦法提供給我們嗎各部會的態度各縣市政府的態度各相關法律案的漢格與衝突還有到底要解決哪些問題我這樣講就四種了耶"},{"start":524.4,"end":524.5,"text":"蘇巧慧委員質詢"}]}}}}