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這 個 邱 毅 英 委 員 打 了 羅 志 強 委 員 一 巴 掌 。\n\n2\n00:00:36,892 --> 00:00:50,108\n那 這 個 部 分 呢 其 實 就 跟 這 個 再 生 醫 療 通 過 有 關 係 了 啦 齁 因 為 他 們 在 可 能 在 吵 的 就 是 這 件 事 喔 那 我 也 想 要 問 一 下 次 長 請 問 你 對 於 這 樣 的 救 命 法 案 被 通 過 你 有 什 麼 看 法 ?\n\n3\n00:00:51,655 --> 00:01:16,874\n非 常 感 謝 委 員 對 於 本 案 的 一 個 關 心 。 我 想 再 生 醫 療 法 要 維 護 確 實 很 多 很 多 患 者 的 這 個 權 利 。 那 麼 過 去 在 過 去 這 段 時 間 的 很 多 委 員 其 實 也 包 括 邱 益 英 委 員 等 等 許 多 委 員 都 努 力 的 來 推 動 。 那 事 實 上 站 在 本 部 立 場 站 在 國 際 民 生 的 立 場 我 們 也 希 望 能 夠 來 加 速 來 推 動 。 是 很 好 謝 謝 。 那 我 相 信\n\n4\n00:01:17,654 --> 00:01:43,093\n所 有 的 人 都 樂 見 再 生 醫 療 法 被 通 過 。 我 想 這 個 應 該 次 長 您 也 同 意 吧 。 那 這 也 是 為 什 麼 週 二 院 會 表 決 的 時 候 是 否 延 長 會 議 的 時 候 以 1 0 1 票 的 高 票 通 過 那 出 現 這 一 次 很 多 難 得 的 朝 野 攻 勢 喔 。 可 是 現 在 可 以 看 到 新 聞 和 社 群 卻 不 斷 造 謠 說 在 野 黨 為 了 通 過 國 會 改 革 法 案 要 擋 下 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 程 序 。 次 長 你 認 為 有 這 回 事 嗎 ?\n\n5\n00:01:44,214 --> 00:02:08,490\n包 括 委 員 , 我 們 相 信 其 實 委 員 們 應 該 都 是 在 全 力 來 支 持 。 那 其 實 確 實 就 像 我 剛 剛 說 , 也 包 括 邱 委 員 在 內 。 我 想 我 們 都 來 一 起 努 力 來 推 動 。 謝 謝 次 長 。 所 以 換 言 之 就 是 藍 綠 白 的 委 員 的 同 意 言 會 , 也 就 是 希 望 能 夠 在 時 限 內 進 速 通 過 , 那 也 兼 顧 這 個 國 會 改 革 法 案 跟 這 個 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 喔 。\n\n6\n00:02:09,522 --> 00:02:31,524\n所 以 下 午 三 點 的 時 候 反 而 是 就 已 經 有 提 出 了 這 個 散 會 動 議 那 如 果 散 會 動 議 通 過 的 話 是 不 是 才 會 讓 這 個 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 通 過 的 法 案 被 延 後 呢 ? 你 認 為 是 不 是 ? 因 為 當 天 下 午 三 點 的 時 候 有 提 散 會 動 議 如 果 真 的 散 會 動 議 成 功 的 話 那 是 不 是 會 延 後 到 我 們 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 ?\n\n7\n00:02:32,635 --> 00:02:59,972\n我 們 其 實 有 關 議 程 的 部 分 我 們 完 全 都 尊 重 那 個 大 院 的 這 一 個 程 序 。 好 , 不 過 沒 關 係 , 事 實 上 其 實 再 生 醫 療 法 並 不 是 本 屆 才 納 入 這 個 立 法 審 議 而 是 十 年 前 就 已 經 開 始 被 提 出 來 討 論 而 且 並 且 當 時 其 實 行 政 院 已 經 有 將 版 本 送 到 我 們 立 法 院 來 審 議 那 未 還 委 員 會 也 是 不 斷 的 排 審 那 送 出 委 員 後 也 經 過 草 野 協 商 那 個 黨 團 協 商 但 最 後 還 是 沒 有 通 過\n\n8\n00:03:01,273 --> 00:03:29,779\n委 員 長 , 這 次 的 會 期 其 實 從 2 月 1 號 開 議 至 今 大 概 是 1 2 0 天 那 1 2 0 天 裡 面 也 包 含 所 有 的 假 期 農 曆 七 天 、 二 二 八 或 是 這 個 復 幼 節 兩 天 跟 每 週 的 六 日 所 以 實 際 上 班 填 書 大 概 是 7 9 天 那 再 生 雙 法 在 下 週 三 預 計 要 三 讀 那 其 實 八 十 幾 天 完 成 兩 部 法 律 的 三 讀 程 序 其 實 應 該 算 是 蠻 快 的 立 法 速 度 對 不 對 , 市 長 ? 是 吧 ?\n\n9\n00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:54,267\n首 先 真 的 是 辛 苦 委 員 這 個 為 了 民 眾 的 利 益 在 發 聲 那 我 想 我 們 站 在 本 部 的 立 場 就 是 誠 如 委 員 剛 剛 所 說 的 這 個 已 經 我 們 討 論 十 年 那 這 個 事 實 上 是 對 於 很 多 民 眾 他 們 也 大 概 都 是 希 望 趕 快 來 通 過 那 我 們 本 部 的 立 場 我 們 也 期 待 趕 快 來 新 武 力\n\n10\n00:03:56,428 --> 00:04:22,769\n所 以 我 想 八 十 幾 天 完 成 這 個 兩 個 法 案 的 三 讀 通 過 應 該 不 算 是 拖 延 啦 在 這 個 會 期 裡 面 所 以 再 來 我 剛 剛 有 提 到 再 生 醫 療 法 其 實 看 到 我 們 這 個 p o w e r p o i n t 首 次 在 立 法 院 被 討 論 以 來 已 經 超 過 十 年 了 2 0 1 9 年 的 時 候 首 度 要 拼 三 讀 立 法 甚 至 那 個 時 候 朝 野 的 立 委 大 概 藍 綠 的 委 員 都 有 共 識 卻 因 為 時 任 的 立 委 邱 泰 元\n\n11\n00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,493\n委 員 強 力 的 杯 葛 而 未 能 通 過 。 請 問 次 長 知 道 嗎 ?\n\n12\n00:04:29,706 --> 00:04:55,753\n包 委 , 我 想 應 該 所 有 的 委 員 大 家 都 覺 得 這 應 該 是 非 常 重 要 , 所 以 我 想 我 們 應 該 委 員 們 都 會 非 常 關 心 。 好 , 那 我 們 來 看 到 這 張 P o w e r P o i n t , 2 0 2 0 年 換 到 這 個 第 十 屆 納 入 優 先 法 案 , 那 也 打 算 盡 快 通 過 , 沒 想 到 當 時 的 邱 太 元 委 員 時 任 執 政 黨 的 立 委 , 居 然 提 出 一 個 自 己 的 版 本 跟 這 個 院 版 來 互 槓 , 最 後 又 導 致 法 案 無 疾 而 終 。\n\n13\n00:04:56,713 --> 00:05:21,893\n那 最 有 趣 的 是 當 時 的 這 個 邱 委 員 也 是 現 在 的 邱 部 長 堅 持 這 個 再 生 醫 療 製 劑 應 該 要 改 為 製 品 以 至 於 當 時 通 常 被 尋 的 這 些 食 藥 署 當 時 的 食 藥 署 署 長 吳 秀 美 直 接 說 這 會 導 致 再 生 醫 療 製 品 的 主 管 機 關 變 成 了 經 濟 部 也 就 是 非 藥 品 而 是 商 品 層 次 所 以 才 會 變 成 改 由 經 濟 部 主 管 請 問 次 長 認 為 這 樣 合 理 嗎 ?\n\n14\n00:05:24,137 --> 00:05:41,639\n我 相 信 所 有 的 委 員 一 定 都 是 希 望 就 是 說 這 個 法 案 是 . . . 好 , 我 知 道 , 你 剛 剛 重 複 很 多 次 了 。 好 , 沒 關 係 。 確 實 是 這 樣 , 我 想 . . . 好 , 我 懂 , 我 懂 。 好 , 那 我 直 接 再 繼 續 講 , 2 0 2 3 年 的 第 十 屆 , 看 到 我 們 這 個 跑 跑 朋 友 , 2 0 2 3 年 的 第 十 屆 的 時 候 , 那 個 惠 琦 看 起 來 是 最 有 機 會 拼 這 個 三 獨 的 末 班 車 。\n\n15\n00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:59,251\n那 當 時 發 生 了 什 麼 事 ? 發 生 了 包 含 邱 部 長 跟 這 個 現 任 的 邱 部 長 也 是 當 時 的 邱 委 員 跟 林 靜 怡 委 員 也 是 現 在 的 次 長 在 內 的 執 政 黨 立 委 聯 手 炮 轟 行 政 機 關 的 奇 觀 , 最 終 法 案 依 然 未 能 通 過 。\n\n16\n00:06:00,632 --> 00:06:13,568\n所 以 , 從 上 述 來 看 , 你 認 為 過 去 十 年 當 時 的 邱 立 委 、 林 委 員 , 就 是 現 在 的 邱 部 長 跟 林 次 長 的 立 場 , 是 不 是 都 站 在 反 對 再 生 醫 療 法 通 過 的 那 一 邊 ?\n\n17\n00:06:14,797 --> 00:06:38,890\n包 括 委 員 , 我 覺 得 我 們 共 同 的 目 標 都 是 一 致 , 但 是 或 許 方 法 上 面 大 家 有 一 些 不 一 樣 。 但 是 我 想 大 家 都 是 為 了 我 們 再 生 醫 療 , 還 有 我 們 所 有 病 患 還 有 民 眾 的 權 利 。 好 謝 謝 次 長 , 因 為 我 去 爬 書 一 下 資 料 整 理 了 一 下 。 所 以 這 些 過 往 的 事 實 被 本 席 找 到 了 。 直 接 證 明 這 個 過 往 的 邱 太 元 立 委 , 現 在 的 邱 太 元 部 長 跟 林 靜 儀 委 員 , 現 在 的 林 靜 儀 次 長 的 立 場 。\n\n18\n00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:56,485\n只 是 導 致 過 去 十 年 來 再 生 醫 療 法 停 滯 不 前 的 主 因 。 所 以 我 在 這 裡 也 想 要 跟 這 個 邱 毅 英 委 員 說 , 其 實 看 到 這 十 年 來 大 家 都 很 辛 苦 沒 有 錯 , 尤 其 是 邱 委 員 也 很 努 力 喔 。 可 是 你 當 天 要 打 的 人 應 該 是 邱 委 員 、 邱 泰 仁 委 員 跟 林 靜 怡 委 員 吧 。\n\n19\n00:06:57,145 --> 00:07:19,560\n﹏ 那 老 實 說 這 次 的 次 長 對 自 己 長 官 的 立 場 啊 ﹏ 和 他 的 過 去 的 言 行 要 教 你 評 價 實 在 是 太 苛 刻 了 啊 ﹏ 所 以 為 什 麼 我 現 在 要 問 這 個 題 目 就 是 要 來 討 論 ﹏ 想 要 來 問 這 個 邱 部 長 跟 接 下 來 的 林 次 長 對 於 這 件 事 情 的 態 度 是 什 麼 ﹏ 那 找 你 回 答 是 為 難 你 ﹏ 但 是 我 還 是 希 望 等 他 們 回 來 的 時 候 我 會 再 對 他 們 提 出 質 詢 啊 ﹏ 那 再 來\n\n20\n00:07:22,205 --> 00:07:42,519\n這 次 在 立 法 院 附 近 的 陳 抗 大 概 分 了 四 場 那 每 天 都 到 1 2 點 我 想 這 個 民 主 的 集 會 遊 行 我 們 都 尊 重 但 這 次 我 想 音 量 真 的 是 太 誇 張 到 入 夜 還 在 吵 讓 人 根 本 沒 辦 法 休 息 即 便 是 一 項 很 有 耐 心 的 護 理 師 也 不 得 不 在 網 路 上 抱 怨 你 可 以 看 到 我 們 的 p o w e r p o i n t\n\n21\n00:07:42,719 --> 00:07:54,787\n那 這 個 臺 大 醫 院 的 院 長 也 表 示 他 還 表 示 說 期 待 抗 議 者 可 以 互 相 尊 重 能 夠 自 我 控 制 降 低 營 量 不 要 影 響 到 看 診 及 住 院 病 童 的 就 醫 權 利\n\n22\n00:07:56,314 --> 00:08:23,573\n所 以 我 想 要 請 問 次 長 你 覺 得 這 次 是 不 是 真 的 有 炒 到 整 體 病 房 的 安 寧 跟 影 響 病 患 的 權 益 ? 非 常 感 謝 委 員 對 本 案 的 關 心 那 這 個 部 分 我 們 當 然 就 是 說 就 是 說 人 民 的 集 會 結 社 還 有 這 一 個 整 個 我 們 病 患 的 這 個 部 長 你 覺 得 有 沒 有 影 響 到 他 們 的 權 益 ? 那 因 為 這 是 屬 於 台 北 市 政 府 的 權 責 這 屬 於 台 北 市 政 府 的 權 責 那 我 們 事 實 上 也 積 極 的 協 調 市 府 屬 於 他 權 責 可 是 醫 院 歸 你 們 衛 福 不 管 不 是 嗎 ?\n\n23\n00:08:24,494 --> 00:08:48,009\n你 覺 得 有 沒 有 吵 到 這 個 病 患 的 權 益 ? 這 個 是 臺 大 醫 院 是 教 育 部 那 邊 。 那 這 個 病 患 的 權 益 有 沒 有 給 你 們 管 ? 現 在 就 是 說 這 裡 面 當 然 就 是 說 有 一 些 權 責 分 工 嘛 我 想 這 個 大 家 我 們 都 希 望 對 於 這 個 民 眾 就 是 能 夠 兼 顧 這 一 個 這 個 病 患 還 有 這 個 權 益 的 利 益 。 那 所 以 你 也 希 望 要 兼 顧 病 患 的 權 益 嘛 對 不 對 ? 您 的 態 度 應 該 是 這 樣 ?\n\n24\n00:08:49,142 --> 00:09:10,551\n結 果 這 個 事 件 經 過 媒 體 曝 光 後 上 網 抱 怨 的 這 些 護 士 跟 病 人 反 而 被 出 征 而 且 被 指 責 很 吵 的 樂 團 還 說 要 送 病 童 們 免 費 去 看 他 們 的 演 唱 會 你 可 以 看 到 這 裡 黑 色 的 這 一 段 市 長 你 知 道 他 們 演 唱 會 的 名 稱 叫 什 麼 嗎 ? 不 知 道 ? 好 那 你 看 看 這 個 文 件 喔\n\n25\n00:09:12,145 --> 00:09:35,180\n這 個 文 宣 的 內 容 叫 做 《 今 夜 台 北 市 的 邊 緣 F i n a l 墓 地 》 這 個 墓 地 不 是 墓 滴 滴 的 墓 地 喔 是 粉 墓 的 墓 喔 墓 地 將 進 行 一 場 深 入 骨 髓 的 末 日 盛 宴 一 曲 絕 望 的 晚 歌 我 們 將 在 城 市 的 肺 葉 上 刻 上 最 後 的 秘 密 部 長 我 告 訴 你 這 場 演 唱 會 的 名 稱 居 然 叫 做 死 亡 通 告\n\n26\n00:09:36,906 --> 00:09:57,497\n他 要 邀 請 這 些 病 患 和 病 童 去 看 他 們 的 演 唱 會 。 這 樣 的 演 唱 會 叫 死 亡 通 告 。 我 想 問 這 是 什 麼 黑 色 幽 默 ? 看 到 這 個 內 容 , 你 覺 得 病 童 他 們 的 爸 媽 跟 他 的 爺 爺 奶 奶 是 什 麼 感 想 ? 他 是 在 嘲 諷 這 些 兒 童 嗎 ? 次 長 你 能 夠 接 受 這 樣 的 內 容 嗎 ? 你 覺 得 他 是 道 歉 還 是 詛 咒 ? 報 告 委 員 , 我 想 這 個\n\n27\n00:10:03,976 --> 00:10:30,131\n就 是 我 想 是 有 一 些 宣 傳 的 一 些 方 式 那 我 想 這 個 裡 面 應 該 大 家 我 們 都 有 同 理 心 我 們 也 希 望 就 是 誠 如 剛 剛 說 的 我 們 希 望 兼 顧 各 方 的 一 個 權 益 很 好 謝 謝 次 長 所 以 剛 剛 講 到 同 理 心 所 以 我 剛 剛 有 提 到 衛 福 部 身 為 醫 院 的 主 管 機 關 能 不 能 代 表 全 體 的 醫 療 機 構 尤 其 是 這 個 脆 弱 的 臺 大 兒 童 醫 院 病 童\n\n28\n00:10:30,811 --> 00:10:41,104\n未 來 在 立 院 成 抗 的 時 候 跟 警 政 署 協 調 , 能 夠 過 時 點 以 後 控 制 營 量 , 以 照 顧 病 患 的 身 心 的 健 康 。 可 以 嗎 ? 你 可 以 答 應 本 席 嗎 ?\n\n29\n00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:57,728\n其 實 這 個 部 分 其 實 主 要 還 是 因 為 這 一 個 相 關 的 部 分 還 是 那 個 臺 北 市 政 府 的 權 責 啦 我 想 基 於 這 個 這 一 個 權 責 分 工 我 想 我 們 這 邊 也 會 來 跟 臺 北 市 政 府 這 邊 來 來 轉 請 他 們 來 妥 善 來 處 理 謝 謝 好 好 那 謝 謝 本 席 沒 有 謝 謝 廖 委 員 謝 謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11956\t36138\t謝謝主席。請我們的次長。好,請次長。次長,你好。次長,想要請問,再生醫療法即將在院會三讀通過。次長,你知道嗎?知道。你知道。那在這個禮拜二院會的時候,院會也發生一個突發事件。就是這個邱毅英委員打了羅志強委員一巴掌。\n36892\t50108\t那這個部分呢其實就跟這個再生醫療通過有關係了啦齁因為他們在可能在吵的就是這件事喔那我也想要問一下次長請問你對於這樣的救命法案被通過你有什麼看法?\n51655\t76874\t非常感謝委員對於本案的一個關心。我想再生醫療法要維護確實很多很多患者的這個權利。那麼過去在過去這段時間的很多委員其實也包括邱益英委員等等許多委員都努力的來推動。那事實上站在本部立場站在國際民生的立場我們也希望能夠來加速來推動。是很好謝謝。那我相信\n77654\t103093\t所有的人都樂見再生醫療法被通過。我想這個應該次長您也同意吧。那這也是為什麼週二院會表決的時候是否延長會議的時候以101票的高票通過那出現這一次很多難得的朝野攻勢喔。可是現在可以看到新聞和社群卻不斷造謠說在野黨為了通過國會改革法案要擋下再生醫療法的三讀程序。次長你認為有這回事嗎?\n104214\t128490\t包括委員,我們相信其實委員們應該都是在全力來支持。那其實確實就像我剛剛說,也包括邱委員在內。我想我們都來一起努力來推動。謝謝次長。所以換言之就是藍綠白的委員的同意言會,也就是希望能夠在時限內進速通過,那也兼顧這個國會改革法案跟這個再生醫療法的三讀喔。\n129522\t151524\t所以下午三點的時候反而是就已經有提出了這個散會動議那如果散會動議通過的話是不是才會讓這個醫療法的三讀通過的法案被延後呢?你認為是不是?因為當天下午三點的時候有提散會動議如果真的散會動議成功的話那是不是會延後到我們再生醫療法的三讀?\n152635\t179972\t我們其實有關議程的部分我們完全都尊重那個大院的這一個程序。好,不過沒關係,事實上其實再生醫療法並不是本屆才納入這個立法審議而是十年前就已經開始被提出來討論而且並且當時其實行政院已經有將版本送到我們立法院來審議那未還委員會也是不斷的排審那送出委員後也經過草野協商那個黨團協商但最後還是沒有通過\n181273\t209779\t委員長,這次的會期其實從2月1號開議至今大概是120天那120天裡面也包含所有的假期農曆七天、二二八或是這個復幼節兩天跟每週的六日所以實際上班填書大概是79天那再生雙法在下週三預計要三讀那其實八十幾天完成兩部法律的三讀程序其實應該算是蠻快的立法速度對不對,市長?是吧?\n212480\t234267\t首先真的是辛苦委員這個為了民眾的利益在發聲那我想我們站在本部的立場就是誠如委員剛剛所說的這個已經我們討論十年那這個事實上是對於很多民眾他們也大概都是希望趕快來通過那我們本部的立場我們也期待趕快來新武力\n236428\t262769\t所以我想八十幾天完成這個兩個法案的三讀通過應該不算是拖延啦在這個會期裡面所以再來我剛剛有提到再生醫療法其實看到我們這個powerpoint首次在立法院被討論以來已經超過十年了2019年的時候首度要拼三讀立法甚至那個時候朝野的立委大概藍綠的委員都有共識卻因為時任的立委邱泰元\n263840\t267493\t委員強力的杯葛而未能通過。請問次長知道嗎?\n269706\t295753\t包委,我想應該所有的委員大家都覺得這應該是非常重要,所以我想我們應該委員們都會非常關心。好,那我們來看到這張PowerPoint,2020年換到這個第十屆納入優先法案,那也打算盡快通過,沒想到當時的邱太元委員時任執政黨的立委,居然提出一個自己的版本跟這個院版來互槓,最後又導致法案無疾而終。\n296713\t321893\t那最有趣的是當時的這個邱委員也是現在的邱部長堅持這個再生醫療製劑應該要改為製品以至於當時通常被尋的這些食藥署當時的食藥署署長吳秀美直接說這會導致再生醫療製品的主管機關變成了經濟部也就是非藥品而是商品層次所以才會變成改由經濟部主管請問次長認為這樣合理嗎?\n324137\t341639\t我相信所有的委員一定都是希望就是說這個法案是...好,我知道,你剛剛重複很多次了。好,沒關係。確實是這樣,我想...好,我懂,我懂。好,那我直接再繼續講,2023年的第十屆,看到我們這個跑跑朋友,2023年的第十屆的時候,那個惠琦看起來是最有機會拼這個三獨的末班車。\n342600\t359251\t那當時發生了什麼事?發生了包含邱部長跟這個現任的邱部長也是當時的邱委員跟林靜怡委員也是現在的次長在內的執政黨立委聯手炮轟行政機關的奇觀,最終法案依然未能通過。\n360632\t373568\t所以,從上述來看,你認為過去十年當時的邱立委、林委員,就是現在的邱部長跟林次長的立場,是不是都站在反對再生醫療法通過的那一邊?\n374797\t398890\t包括委員,我覺得我們共同的目標都是一致,但是或許方法上面大家有一些不一樣。但是我想大家都是為了我們再生醫療,還有我們所有病患還有民眾的權利。好謝謝次長,因為我去爬書一下資料整理了一下。所以這些過往的事實被本席找到了。直接證明這個過往的邱太元立委,現在的邱太元部長跟林靜儀委員,現在的林靜儀次長的立場。\n399870\t416485\t只是導致過去十年來再生醫療法停滯不前的主因。所以我在這裡也想要跟這個邱毅英委員說,其實看到這十年來大家都很辛苦沒有錯,尤其是邱委員也很努力喔。可是你當天要打的人應該是邱委員、邱泰仁委員跟林靜怡委員吧。\n417145\t439560\t﹏那老實說這次的次長對自己長官的立場啊﹏和他的過去的言行要教你評價實在是太苛刻了啊﹏所以為什麼我現在要問這個題目就是要來討論﹏想要來問這個邱部長跟接下來的林次長對於這件事情的態度是什麼﹏那找你回答是為難你﹏但是我還是希望等他們回來的時候我會再對他們提出質詢啊﹏那再來\n442205\t462519\t這次在立法院附近的陳抗大概分了四場那每天都到12點我想這個民主的集會遊行我們都尊重但這次我想音量真的是太誇張到入夜還在吵讓人根本沒辦法休息即便是一項很有耐心的護理師也不得不在網路上抱怨你可以看到我們的powerpoint\n462719\t474787\t那這個臺大醫院的院長也表示他還表示說期待抗議者可以互相尊重能夠自我控制降低營量不要影響到看診及住院病童的就醫權利\n476314\t503573\t所以我想要請問次長你覺得這次是不是真的有炒到整體病房的安寧跟影響病患的權益?非常感謝委員對本案的關心那這個部分我們當然就是說就是說人民的集會結社還有這一個整個我們病患的這個部長你覺得有沒有影響到他們的權益?那因為這是屬於台北市政府的權責這屬於台北市政府的權責那我們事實上也積極的協調市府屬於他權責可是醫院歸你們衛福不管不是嗎?\n504494\t528009\t你覺得有沒有吵到這個病患的權益?這個是臺大醫院是教育部那邊。那這個病患的權益有沒有給你們管?現在就是說這裡面當然就是說有一些權責分工嘛我想這個大家我們都希望對於這個民眾就是能夠兼顧這一個這個病患還有這個權益的利益。那所以你也希望要兼顧病患的權益嘛對不對?您的態度應該是這樣?\n529142\t550551\t結果這個事件經過媒體曝光後上網抱怨的這些護士跟病人反而被出征而且被指責很吵的樂團還說要送病童們免費去看他們的演唱會你可以看到這裡黑色的這一段市長你知道他們演唱會的名稱叫什麼嗎?不知道?好那你看看這個文件喔\n552145\t575180\t這個文宣的內容叫做《今夜台北市的邊緣Final 墓地》這個墓地不是墓滴滴的墓地喔 是粉墓的墓喔墓地將進行一場深入骨髓的末日盛宴一曲絕望的晚歌我們將在城市的肺葉上刻上最後的秘密部長我告訴你這場演唱會的名稱居然叫做死亡通告\n576906\t597497\t他要邀請這些病患和病童去看他們的演唱會。這樣的演唱會叫死亡通告。我想問這是什麼黑色幽默?看到這個內容,你覺得病童他們的爸媽跟他的爺爺奶奶是什麼感想?他是在嘲諷這些兒童嗎?次長你能夠接受這樣的內容嗎?你覺得他是道歉還是詛咒?報告委員,我想這個\n603976\t630131\t就是我想是有一些宣傳的一些方式那我想這個裡面應該大家我們都有同理心我們也希望就是誠如剛剛說的我們希望兼顧各方的一個權益很好謝謝次長所以剛剛講到同理心所以我剛剛有提到衛福部身為醫院的主管機關能不能代表全體的醫療機構尤其是這個脆弱的臺大兒童醫院病童\n630811\t641104\t未來在立院成抗的時候跟警政署協調,能夠過時點以後控制營量,以照顧病患的身心的健康。可以嗎?你可以答應本席嗎?\n645140\t657728\t其實這個部分其實主要還是因為這一個相關的部分還是那個臺北市政府的權責啦我想基於這個這一個權責分工我想我們這邊也會來跟臺北市政府這邊來來轉請他們來妥善來處理謝謝好好那謝謝本席沒有謝謝廖委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席。請我們的次長。好,請次長。次長,你好。次長,想要請問,再生醫療法即將在院會三讀通過。次長,你知道嗎?知道。你知道。那在這個禮拜二院會的時候,院會也發生一個突發事件。就是這個邱毅英委員打了羅志強委員一巴掌。\n那這個部分呢其實就跟這個再生醫療通過有關係了啦齁因為他們在可能在吵的就是這件事喔那我也想要問一下次長請問你對於這樣的救命法案被通過你有什麼看法?\n非常感謝委員對於本案的一個關心。我想再生醫療法要維護確實很多很多患者的這個權利。那麼過去在過去這段時間的很多委員其實也包括邱益英委員等等許多委員都努力的來推動。那事實上站在本部立場站在國際民生的立場我們也希望能夠來加速來推動。是很好謝謝。那我相信\n所有的人都樂見再生醫療法被通過。我想這個應該次長您也同意吧。那這也是為什麼週二院會表決的時候是否延長會議的時候以101票的高票通過那出現這一次很多難得的朝野攻勢喔。可是現在可以看到新聞和社群卻不斷造謠說在野黨為了通過國會改革法案要擋下再生醫療法的三讀程序。次長你認為有這回事嗎?\n包括委員,我們相信其實委員們應該都是在全力來支持。那其實確實就像我剛剛說,也包括邱委員在內。我想我們都來一起努力來推動。謝謝次長。所以換言之就是藍綠白的委員的同意言會,也就是希望能夠在時限內進速通過,那也兼顧這個國會改革法案跟這個再生醫療法的三讀喔。\n所以下午三點的時候反而是就已經有提出了這個散會動議那如果散會動議通過的話是不是才會讓這個醫療法的三讀通過的法案被延後呢?你認為是不是?因為當天下午三點的時候有提散會動議如果真的散會動議成功的話那是不是會延後到我們再生醫療法的三讀?\n我們其實有關議程的部分我們完全都尊重那個大院的這一個程序。好,不過沒關係,事實上其實再生醫療法並不是本屆才納入這個立法審議而是十年前就已經開始被提出來討論而且並且當時其實行政院已經有將版本送到我們立法院來審議那未還委員會也是不斷的排審那送出委員後也經過草野協商那個黨團協商但最後還是沒有通過\n委員長,這次的會期其實從2月1號開議至今大概是120天那120天裡面也包含所有的假期農曆七天、二二八或是這個復幼節兩天跟每週的六日所以實際上班填書大概是79天那再生雙法在下週三預計要三讀那其實八十幾天完成兩部法律的三讀程序其實應該算是蠻快的立法速度對不對,市長?是吧?\n首先真的是辛苦委員這個為了民眾的利益在發聲那我想我們站在本部的立場就是誠如委員剛剛所說的這個已經我們討論十年那這個事實上是對於很多民眾他們也大概都是希望趕快來通過那我們本部的立場我們也期待趕快來新武力\n所以我想八十幾天完成這個兩個法案的三讀通過應該不算是拖延啦在這個會期裡面所以再來我剛剛有提到再生醫療法其實看到我們這個powerpoint首次在立法院被討論以來已經超過十年了2019年的時候首度要拼三讀立法甚至那個時候朝野的立委大概藍綠的委員都有共識卻因為時任的立委邱泰元\n委員強力的杯葛而未能通過。請問次長知道嗎?\n包委,我想應該所有的委員大家都覺得這應該是非常重要,所以我想我們應該委員們都會非常關心。好,那我們來看到這張PowerPoint,2020年換到這個第十屆納入優先法案,那也打算盡快通過,沒想到當時的邱太元委員時任執政黨的立委,居然提出一個自己的版本跟這個院版來互槓,最後又導致法案無疾而終。\n那最有趣的是當時的這個邱委員也是現在的邱部長堅持這個再生醫療製劑應該要改為製品以至於當時通常被尋的這些食藥署當時的食藥署署長吳秀美直接說這會導致再生醫療製品的主管機關變成了經濟部也就是非藥品而是商品層次所以才會變成改由經濟部主管請問次長認為這樣合理嗎?\n我相信所有的委員一定都是希望就是說這個法案是...好,我知道,你剛剛重複很多次了。好,沒關係。確實是這樣,我想...好,我懂,我懂。好,那我直接再繼續講,2023年的第十屆,看到我們這個跑跑朋友,2023年的第十屆的時候,那個惠琦看起來是最有機會拼這個三獨的末班車。\n那當時發生了什麼事?發生了包含邱部長跟這個現任的邱部長也是當時的邱委員跟林靜怡委員也是現在的次長在內的執政黨立委聯手炮轟行政機關的奇觀,最終法案依然未能通過。\n所以,從上述來看,你認為過去十年當時的邱立委、林委員,就是現在的邱部長跟林次長的立場,是不是都站在反對再生醫療法通過的那一邊?\n包括委員,我覺得我們共同的目標都是一致,但是或許方法上面大家有一些不一樣。但是我想大家都是為了我們再生醫療,還有我們所有病患還有民眾的權利。好謝謝次長,因為我去爬書一下資料整理了一下。所以這些過往的事實被本席找到了。直接證明這個過往的邱太元立委,現在的邱太元部長跟林靜儀委員,現在的林靜儀次長的立場。\n只是導致過去十年來再生醫療法停滯不前的主因。所以我在這裡也想要跟這個邱毅英委員說,其實看到這十年來大家都很辛苦沒有錯,尤其是邱委員也很努力喔。可是你當天要打的人應該是邱委員、邱泰仁委員跟林靜怡委員吧。\n﹏那老實說這次的次長對自己長官的立場啊﹏和他的過去的言行要教你評價實在是太苛刻了啊﹏所以為什麼我現在要問這個題目就是要來討論﹏想要來問這個邱部長跟接下來的林次長對於這件事情的態度是什麼﹏那找你回答是為難你﹏但是我還是希望等他們回來的時候我會再對他們提出質詢啊﹏那再來\n這次在立法院附近的陳抗大概分了四場那每天都到12點我想這個民主的集會遊行我們都尊重但這次我想音量真的是太誇張到入夜還在吵讓人根本沒辦法休息即便是一項很有耐心的護理師也不得不在網路上抱怨你可以看到我們的powerpoint\n那這個臺大醫院的院長也表示他還表示說期待抗議者可以互相尊重能夠自我控制降低營量不要影響到看診及住院病童的就醫權利\n所以我想要請問次長你覺得這次是不是真的有炒到整體病房的安寧跟影響病患的權益?非常感謝委員對本案的關心那這個部分我們當然就是說就是說人民的集會結社還有這一個整個我們病患的這個部長你覺得有沒有影響到他們的權益?那因為這是屬於台北市政府的權責這屬於台北市政府的權責那我們事實上也積極的協調市府屬於他權責可是醫院歸你們衛福不管不是嗎?\n你覺得有沒有吵到這個病患的權益?這個是臺大醫院是教育部那邊。那這個病患的權益有沒有給你們管?現在就是說這裡面當然就是說有一些權責分工嘛我想這個大家我們都希望對於這個民眾就是能夠兼顧這一個這個病患還有這個權益的利益。那所以你也希望要兼顧病患的權益嘛對不對?您的態度應該是這樣?\n結果這個事件經過媒體曝光後上網抱怨的這些護士跟病人反而被出征而且被指責很吵的樂團還說要送病童們免費去看他們的演唱會你可以看到這裡黑色的這一段市長你知道他們演唱會的名稱叫什麼嗎?不知道?好那你看看這個文件喔\n這個文宣的內容叫做《今夜台北市的邊緣Final 墓地》這個墓地不是墓滴滴的墓地喔 是粉墓的墓喔墓地將進行一場深入骨髓的末日盛宴一曲絕望的晚歌我們將在城市的肺葉上刻上最後的秘密部長我告訴你這場演唱會的名稱居然叫做死亡通告\n他要邀請這些病患和病童去看他們的演唱會。這樣的演唱會叫死亡通告。我想問這是什麼黑色幽默?看到這個內容,你覺得病童他們的爸媽跟他的爺爺奶奶是什麼感想?他是在嘲諷這些兒童嗎?次長你能夠接受這樣的內容嗎?你覺得他是道歉還是詛咒?報告委員,我想這個\n就是我想是有一些宣傳的一些方式那我想這個裡面應該大家我們都有同理心我們也希望就是誠如剛剛說的我們希望兼顧各方的一個權益很好謝謝次長所以剛剛講到同理心所以我剛剛有提到衛福部身為醫院的主管機關能不能代表全體的醫療機構尤其是這個脆弱的臺大兒童醫院病童\n未來在立院成抗的時候跟警政署協調,能夠過時點以後控制營量,以照顧病患的身心的健康。可以嗎?你可以答應本席嗎?\n其實這個部分其實主要還是因為這一個相關的部分還是那個臺北市政府的權責啦我想基於這個這一個權責分工我想我們這邊也會來跟臺北市政府這邊來來轉請他們來妥善來處理謝謝好好那謝謝本席沒有謝謝廖委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.956 --> 00:36.138\n謝 謝 主 席 。 請 我 們 的 次 長 。 好 , 請 次 長 。 次 長 , 你 好 。 次 長 , 想 要 請 問 , 再 生 醫 療 法 即 將 在 院 會 三 讀 通 過 。 次 長 , 你 知 道 嗎 ? 知 道 。 你 知 道 。 那 在 這 個 禮 拜 二 院 會 的 時 候 , 院 會 也 發 生 一 個 突 發 事 件 。 就 是 這 個 邱 毅 英 委 員 打 了 羅 志 強 委 員 一 巴 掌 。\n\n00:36.892 --> 00:50.108\n那 這 個 部 分 呢 其 實 就 跟 這 個 再 生 醫 療 通 過 有 關 係 了 啦 齁 因 為 他 們 在 可 能 在 吵 的 就 是 這 件 事 喔 那 我 也 想 要 問 一 下 次 長 請 問 你 對 於 這 樣 的 救 命 法 案 被 通 過 你 有 什 麼 看 法 ?\n\n00:51.655 --> 01:16.874\n非 常 感 謝 委 員 對 於 本 案 的 一 個 關 心 。 我 想 再 生 醫 療 法 要 維 護 確 實 很 多 很 多 患 者 的 這 個 權 利 。 那 麼 過 去 在 過 去 這 段 時 間 的 很 多 委 員 其 實 也 包 括 邱 益 英 委 員 等 等 許 多 委 員 都 努 力 的 來 推 動 。 那 事 實 上 站 在 本 部 立 場 站 在 國 際 民 生 的 立 場 我 們 也 希 望 能 夠 來 加 速 來 推 動 。 是 很 好 謝 謝 。 那 我 相 信\n\n01:17.654 --> 01:43.093\n所 有 的 人 都 樂 見 再 生 醫 療 法 被 通 過 。 我 想 這 個 應 該 次 長 您 也 同 意 吧 。 那 這 也 是 為 什 麼 週 二 院 會 表 決 的 時 候 是 否 延 長 會 議 的 時 候 以 1 0 1 票 的 高 票 通 過 那 出 現 這 一 次 很 多 難 得 的 朝 野 攻 勢 喔 。 可 是 現 在 可 以 看 到 新 聞 和 社 群 卻 不 斷 造 謠 說 在 野 黨 為 了 通 過 國 會 改 革 法 案 要 擋 下 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 程 序 。 次 長 你 認 為 有 這 回 事 嗎 ?\n\n01:44.214 --> 02:08.490\n包 括 委 員 , 我 們 相 信 其 實 委 員 們 應 該 都 是 在 全 力 來 支 持 。 那 其 實 確 實 就 像 我 剛 剛 說 , 也 包 括 邱 委 員 在 內 。 我 想 我 們 都 來 一 起 努 力 來 推 動 。 謝 謝 次 長 。 所 以 換 言 之 就 是 藍 綠 白 的 委 員 的 同 意 言 會 , 也 就 是 希 望 能 夠 在 時 限 內 進 速 通 過 , 那 也 兼 顧 這 個 國 會 改 革 法 案 跟 這 個 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 喔 。\n\n02:09.522 --> 02:31.524\n所 以 下 午 三 點 的 時 候 反 而 是 就 已 經 有 提 出 了 這 個 散 會 動 議 那 如 果 散 會 動 議 通 過 的 話 是 不 是 才 會 讓 這 個 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 通 過 的 法 案 被 延 後 呢 ? 你 認 為 是 不 是 ? 因 為 當 天 下 午 三 點 的 時 候 有 提 散 會 動 議 如 果 真 的 散 會 動 議 成 功 的 話 那 是 不 是 會 延 後 到 我 們 再 生 醫 療 法 的 三 讀 ?\n\n02:32.635 --> 02:59.972\n我 們 其 實 有 關 議 程 的 部 分 我 們 完 全 都 尊 重 那 個 大 院 的 這 一 個 程 序 。 好 , 不 過 沒 關 係 , 事 實 上 其 實 再 生 醫 療 法 並 不 是 本 屆 才 納 入 這 個 立 法 審 議 而 是 十 年 前 就 已 經 開 始 被 提 出 來 討 論 而 且 並 且 當 時 其 實 行 政 院 已 經 有 將 版 本 送 到 我 們 立 法 院 來 審 議 那 未 還 委 員 會 也 是 不 斷 的 排 審 那 送 出 委 員 後 也 經 過 草 野 協 商 那 個 黨 團 協 商 但 最 後 還 是 沒 有 通 過\n\n03:01.273 --> 03:29.779\n委 員 長 , 這 次 的 會 期 其 實 從 2 月 1 號 開 議 至 今 大 概 是 1 2 0 天 那 1 2 0 天 裡 面 也 包 含 所 有 的 假 期 農 曆 七 天 、 二 二 八 或 是 這 個 復 幼 節 兩 天 跟 每 週 的 六 日 所 以 實 際 上 班 填 書 大 概 是 7 9 天 那 再 生 雙 法 在 下 週 三 預 計 要 三 讀 那 其 實 八 十 幾 天 完 成 兩 部 法 律 的 三 讀 程 序 其 實 應 該 算 是 蠻 快 的 立 法 速 度 對 不 對 , 市 長 ? 是 吧 ?\n\n03:32.480 --> 03:54.267\n首 先 真 的 是 辛 苦 委 員 這 個 為 了 民 眾 的 利 益 在 發 聲 那 我 想 我 們 站 在 本 部 的 立 場 就 是 誠 如 委 員 剛 剛 所 說 的 這 個 已 經 我 們 討 論 十 年 那 這 個 事 實 上 是 對 於 很 多 民 眾 他 們 也 大 概 都 是 希 望 趕 快 來 通 過 那 我 們 本 部 的 立 場 我 們 也 期 待 趕 快 來 新 武 力\n\n03:56.428 --> 04:22.769\n所 以 我 想 八 十 幾 天 完 成 這 個 兩 個 法 案 的 三 讀 通 過 應 該 不 算 是 拖 延 啦 在 這 個 會 期 裡 面 所 以 再 來 我 剛 剛 有 提 到 再 生 醫 療 法 其 實 看 到 我 們 這 個 p o w e r p o i n t 首 次 在 立 法 院 被 討 論 以 來 已 經 超 過 十 年 了 2 0 1 9 年 的 時 候 首 度 要 拼 三 讀 立 法 甚 至 那 個 時 候 朝 野 的 立 委 大 概 藍 綠 的 委 員 都 有 共 識 卻 因 為 時 任 的 立 委 邱 泰 元\n\n04:23.840 --> 04:27.493\n委 員 強 力 的 杯 葛 而 未 能 通 過 。 請 問 次 長 知 道 嗎 ?\n\n04:29.706 --> 04:55.753\n包 委 , 我 想 應 該 所 有 的 委 員 大 家 都 覺 得 這 應 該 是 非 常 重 要 , 所 以 我 想 我 們 應 該 委 員 們 都 會 非 常 關 心 。 好 , 那 我 們 來 看 到 這 張 P o w e r P o i n t , 2 0 2 0 年 換 到 這 個 第 十 屆 納 入 優 先 法 案 , 那 也 打 算 盡 快 通 過 , 沒 想 到 當 時 的 邱 太 元 委 員 時 任 執 政 黨 的 立 委 , 居 然 提 出 一 個 自 己 的 版 本 跟 這 個 院 版 來 互 槓 , 最 後 又 導 致 法 案 無 疾 而 終 。\n\n04:56.713 --> 05:21.893\n那 最 有 趣 的 是 當 時 的 這 個 邱 委 員 也 是 現 在 的 邱 部 長 堅 持 這 個 再 生 醫 療 製 劑 應 該 要 改 為 製 品 以 至 於 當 時 通 常 被 尋 的 這 些 食 藥 署 當 時 的 食 藥 署 署 長 吳 秀 美 直 接 說 這 會 導 致 再 生 醫 療 製 品 的 主 管 機 關 變 成 了 經 濟 部 也 就 是 非 藥 品 而 是 商 品 層 次 所 以 才 會 變 成 改 由 經 濟 部 主 管 請 問 次 長 認 為 這 樣 合 理 嗎 ?\n\n05:24.137 --> 05:41.639\n我 相 信 所 有 的 委 員 一 定 都 是 希 望 就 是 說 這 個 法 案 是 . . . 好 , 我 知 道 , 你 剛 剛 重 複 很 多 次 了 。 好 , 沒 關 係 。 確 實 是 這 樣 , 我 想 . . . 好 , 我 懂 , 我 懂 。 好 , 那 我 直 接 再 繼 續 講 , 2 0 2 3 年 的 第 十 屆 , 看 到 我 們 這 個 跑 跑 朋 友 , 2 0 2 3 年 的 第 十 屆 的 時 候 , 那 個 惠 琦 看 起 來 是 最 有 機 會 拼 這 個 三 獨 的 末 班 車 。\n\n05:42.600 --> 05:59.251\n那 當 時 發 生 了 什 麼 事 ? 發 生 了 包 含 邱 部 長 跟 這 個 現 任 的 邱 部 長 也 是 當 時 的 邱 委 員 跟 林 靜 怡 委 員 也 是 現 在 的 次 長 在 內 的 執 政 黨 立 委 聯 手 炮 轟 行 政 機 關 的 奇 觀 , 最 終 法 案 依 然 未 能 通 過 。\n\n06:00.632 --> 06:13.568\n所 以 , 從 上 述 來 看 , 你 認 為 過 去 十 年 當 時 的 邱 立 委 、 林 委 員 , 就 是 現 在 的 邱 部 長 跟 林 次 長 的 立 場 , 是 不 是 都 站 在 反 對 再 生 醫 療 法 通 過 的 那 一 邊 ?\n\n06:14.797 --> 06:38.890\n包 括 委 員 , 我 覺 得 我 們 共 同 的 目 標 都 是 一 致 , 但 是 或 許 方 法 上 面 大 家 有 一 些 不 一 樣 。 但 是 我 想 大 家 都 是 為 了 我 們 再 生 醫 療 , 還 有 我 們 所 有 病 患 還 有 民 眾 的 權 利 。 好 謝 謝 次 長 , 因 為 我 去 爬 書 一 下 資 料 整 理 了 一 下 。 所 以 這 些 過 往 的 事 實 被 本 席 找 到 了 。 直 接 證 明 這 個 過 往 的 邱 太 元 立 委 , 現 在 的 邱 太 元 部 長 跟 林 靜 儀 委 員 , 現 在 的 林 靜 儀 次 長 的 立 場 。\n\n06:39.870 --> 06:56.485\n只 是 導 致 過 去 十 年 來 再 生 醫 療 法 停 滯 不 前 的 主 因 。 所 以 我 在 這 裡 也 想 要 跟 這 個 邱 毅 英 委 員 說 , 其 實 看 到 這 十 年 來 大 家 都 很 辛 苦 沒 有 錯 , 尤 其 是 邱 委 員 也 很 努 力 喔 。 可 是 你 當 天 要 打 的 人 應 該 是 邱 委 員 、 邱 泰 仁 委 員 跟 林 靜 怡 委 員 吧 。\n\n06:57.145 --> 07:19.560\n﹏ 那 老 實 說 這 次 的 次 長 對 自 己 長 官 的 立 場 啊 ﹏ 和 他 的 過 去 的 言 行 要 教 你 評 價 實 在 是 太 苛 刻 了 啊 ﹏ 所 以 為 什 麼 我 現 在 要 問 這 個 題 目 就 是 要 來 討 論 ﹏ 想 要 來 問 這 個 邱 部 長 跟 接 下 來 的 林 次 長 對 於 這 件 事 情 的 態 度 是 什 麼 ﹏ 那 找 你 回 答 是 為 難 你 ﹏ 但 是 我 還 是 希 望 等 他 們 回 來 的 時 候 我 會 再 對 他 們 提 出 質 詢 啊 ﹏ 那 再 來\n\n07:22.205 --> 07:42.519\n這 次 在 立 法 院 附 近 的 陳 抗 大 概 分 了 四 場 那 每 天 都 到 1 2 點 我 想 這 個 民 主 的 集 會 遊 行 我 們 都 尊 重 但 這 次 我 想 音 量 真 的 是 太 誇 張 到 入 夜 還 在 吵 讓 人 根 本 沒 辦 法 休 息 即 便 是 一 項 很 有 耐 心 的 護 理 師 也 不 得 不 在 網 路 上 抱 怨 你 可 以 看 到 我 們 的 p o w e r p o i n t\n\n07:42.719 --> 07:54.787\n那 這 個 臺 大 醫 院 的 院 長 也 表 示 他 還 表 示 說 期 待 抗 議 者 可 以 互 相 尊 重 能 夠 自 我 控 制 降 低 營 量 不 要 影 響 到 看 診 及 住 院 病 童 的 就 醫 權 利\n\n07:56.314 --> 08:23.573\n所 以 我 想 要 請 問 次 長 你 覺 得 這 次 是 不 是 真 的 有 炒 到 整 體 病 房 的 安 寧 跟 影 響 病 患 的 權 益 ? 非 常 感 謝 委 員 對 本 案 的 關 心 那 這 個 部 分 我 們 當 然 就 是 說 就 是 說 人 民 的 集 會 結 社 還 有 這 一 個 整 個 我 們 病 患 的 這 個 部 長 你 覺 得 有 沒 有 影 響 到 他 們 的 權 益 ? 那 因 為 這 是 屬 於 台 北 市 政 府 的 權 責 這 屬 於 台 北 市 政 府 的 權 責 那 我 們 事 實 上 也 積 極 的 協 調 市 府 屬 於 他 權 責 可 是 醫 院 歸 你 們 衛 福 不 管 不 是 嗎 ?\n\n08:24.494 --> 08:48.009\n你 覺 得 有 沒 有 吵 到 這 個 病 患 的 權 益 ? 這 個 是 臺 大 醫 院 是 教 育 部 那 邊 。 那 這 個 病 患 的 權 益 有 沒 有 給 你 們 管 ? 現 在 就 是 說 這 裡 面 當 然 就 是 說 有 一 些 權 責 分 工 嘛 我 想 這 個 大 家 我 們 都 希 望 對 於 這 個 民 眾 就 是 能 夠 兼 顧 這 一 個 這 個 病 患 還 有 這 個 權 益 的 利 益 。 那 所 以 你 也 希 望 要 兼 顧 病 患 的 權 益 嘛 對 不 對 ? 您 的 態 度 應 該 是 這 樣 ?\n\n08:49.142 --> 09:10.551\n結 果 這 個 事 件 經 過 媒 體 曝 光 後 上 網 抱 怨 的 這 些 護 士 跟 病 人 反 而 被 出 征 而 且 被 指 責 很 吵 的 樂 團 還 說 要 送 病 童 們 免 費 去 看 他 們 的 演 唱 會 你 可 以 看 到 這 裡 黑 色 的 這 一 段 市 長 你 知 道 他 們 演 唱 會 的 名 稱 叫 什 麼 嗎 ? 不 知 道 ? 好 那 你 看 看 這 個 文 件 喔\n\n09:12.145 --> 09:35.180\n這 個 文 宣 的 內 容 叫 做 《 今 夜 台 北 市 的 邊 緣 F i n a l 墓 地 》 這 個 墓 地 不 是 墓 滴 滴 的 墓 地 喔 是 粉 墓 的 墓 喔 墓 地 將 進 行 一 場 深 入 骨 髓 的 末 日 盛 宴 一 曲 絕 望 的 晚 歌 我 們 將 在 城 市 的 肺 葉 上 刻 上 最 後 的 秘 密 部 長 我 告 訴 你 這 場 演 唱 會 的 名 稱 居 然 叫 做 死 亡 通 告\n\n09:36.906 --> 09:57.497\n他 要 邀 請 這 些 病 患 和 病 童 去 看 他 們 的 演 唱 會 。 這 樣 的 演 唱 會 叫 死 亡 通 告 。 我 想 問 這 是 什 麼 黑 色 幽 默 ? 看 到 這 個 內 容 , 你 覺 得 病 童 他 們 的 爸 媽 跟 他 的 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是粉墓的墓喔墓地將進行一場深入骨髓的末日盛宴一曲絕望的晚歌我們將在城市的肺葉上刻上最後的秘密部長我告訴你這場演唱會的名稱居然叫做死亡通告"},{"start":576.906,"end":597.497,"text":"他要邀請這些病患和病童去看他們的演唱會。這樣的演唱會叫死亡通告。我想問這是什麼黑色幽默?看到這個內容,你覺得病童他們的爸媽跟他的爺爺奶奶是什麼感想?他是在嘲諷這些兒童嗎?次長你能夠接受這樣的內容嗎?你覺得他是道歉還是詛咒?報告委員,我想這個"},{"start":603.976,"end":630.131,"text":"就是我想是有一些宣傳的一些方式那我想這個裡面應該大家我們都有同理心我們也希望就是誠如剛剛說的我們希望兼顧各方的一個權益很好謝謝次長所以剛剛講到同理心所以我剛剛有提到衛福部身為醫院的主管機關能不能代表全體的醫療機構尤其是這個脆弱的臺大兒童醫院病童"},{"start":630.811,"end":641.104,"text":"未來在立院成抗的時候跟警政署協調,能夠過時點以後控制營量,以照顧病患的身心的健康。可以嗎?你可以答應本席嗎?"},{"start":645.14,"end":657.728,"text":"其實這個部分其實主要還是因為這一個相關的部分還是那個臺北市政府的權責啦我想基於這個這一個權責分工我想我們這邊也會來跟臺北市政府這邊來來轉請他們來妥善來處理謝謝好好那謝謝本席沒有謝謝廖委員謝謝"}]}}}}