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的 政 府 在 外 交 著 作 這 個 外 交 的 價 值 外 交 中 價 值 指 的 是 什 麼 那 本 席 看 到 今 天 這 個 外 交 部 所 提 出 的 這 個 報 告\n\n7\n00:02:27,459 --> 00:02:52,128\n價 值 外 交 內 容 提 到 要 以 民 主 和 平 繁 榮 來 深 化 台 灣 的 國 際 連 結 所 以 外 交 部 所 謂 的 價 值 就 是 只 有 民 主 和 平 繁 榮 嗎 那 另 外 就 是 價 值 的 面 向 很 廣 外 交 部 不 要 自 我 限 縮 在 政 治 面 或 經 濟 意 識 形 態 上 只 要 找 到 共 通 性\n\n8\n00:02:57,369 --> 00:03:11,732\n上 次 我 特 別 有 跟 吳 前 部 長 特 別 提 到 原 民 的 外 交 因 為 原 民 的 外 交 在 我 們 臺 灣 的 原 住 民 是 屬 於 南 島 以 西 的 民 主 的 南 島 以 西 人\n\n9\n00:03:14,383 --> 00:03:34,458\n如 果 按 照 連 結 整 個 南 島 語 系 的 整 個 國 家 整 個 國 家 總 共 人 口 數 就 2 . 5 億 的 人 口 數 這 相 當 龐 大 的 一 個 人 口 數 所 以 如 果 我 們 今 天 著 重 在 這 個 南 島 語 系 的 做 一 個 連 結 外 交\n\n10\n00:03:35,259 --> 00:03:51,238\n那 是 不 是 也 可 以 讓 原 住 民 有 無 認 所 或 是 有 認 所 的 外 交 來 做 一 個 連 結 讓 我 們 在 目 前 困 境 的 一 個 國 家 現 在 你 看 馬 上 要 面 臨 什 麼\n\n11\n00:03:53,131 --> 00:03:57,634\n我 相 信 部 長 你 有 智 慧 即 面 對 這 樣 危 機 的 時 候 便 轉 機 原 民 外 交 就 是 一 個 重 點 我 想 聽 聽 你 的 想 法\n\n12\n00:04:14,466 --> 00:04:25,154\n是 , 謝 謝 委 員 提 醒 , 確 實 , 原 民 外 交 是 台 灣 走 和 出 去 , 而 且 這 個 是 符 合 現 在 整 個 普 世 的 價 值 。\n\n13\n00:04:28,142 --> 00:04:44,427\n在 南 島 方 面 , 特 別 是 太 平 洋 方 面 , 所 以 相 關 的 國 際 組 織 或 合 作 計 畫 , 我 們 要 積 極 來 參 與 。 有 關 於 包 括 南 島 民 族 論 壇 、 太 平 洋 島 國 論 壇 或 過 去 所 辦 過 , 我 們 要 做 一 個 檢 視 , 我 們 要 積 極 來 參 與 , 甚 至 我 們 可 以 倡 議 。\n\n14\n00:04:47,428 --> 00:05:08,239\n我 們 過 去 外 交 的 職 員 都 著 重 在 論 壇 的 方 面 但 是 實 質 上 有 沒 有 進 一 步 的 能 夠 變 成 一 個 建 交 的 實 質 上 的 一 個 建 交 國 這 是 一 個 重 點\n\n15\n00:05:09,139 --> 00:05:22,817\n因 為 我 們 訪 問 一 下 台 灣 是 南 歐 以 西 分 化 及 擴 散 的 源 頭 那 包 含 夏 威 夷 群 島 、 越 南 南 部 、 菲 律 賓 、 馬 來 群 島\n\n16\n00:05:25,139 --> 00:05:41,465\n東 到 復 活 節 島 , 西 到 馬 加 斯 加 島 , 南 到 紐 西 蘭 , 全 都 是 南 島 語 系 , 總 共 的 人 口 數 就 2 . 5 億 的 人 口 , 在 太 平 洋 島 嶼 則 有 1 0 0 萬 人 口 。\n\n17\n00:05:46,072 --> 00:06:04,041\n在 這 個 價 值 的 外 交 的 核 心 裡 面 那 麼 也 應 該 把 原 住 民 的 外 交 要 把 它 切 入 到 裡 面 作 為 你 這 一 次 接 任 外 交 部 的 一 個 重 點 我 希 望 看 到 一 個 成 績 好 不 好\n\n18\n00:06:05,041 --> 00:06:21,838\n報 告 委 員 我 有 寫 進 去 那 個 外 交 部 的 業 務 報 告 裡 面 原 住 民 的 外 交 原 住 民 的 外 交 因 為 我 們 本 來 就 是 一 個 南 島 共 同 體 嘛 好 不 好 因 為 我 希 望 說 在 這 個 過 程 因 為 現 在 的 國 際 情 勢 非 常 的 混 亂\n\n19\n00:06:22,699 --> 00:06:39,475\n台 灣 要 走 出 去 現 在 目 前 就 是 因 為 國 際 情 勢 包 含 兩 岸 之 間 現 在 對 岸 不 斷 對 我 們 台 灣 的 外 交 一 直 在 壓 制 限 縮 我 們 的 國 際 外 交 所 以 這 個 就 是 要 如 何 去 突 破\n\n20\n00:06:40,015 --> 00:06:53,907\n因 為 剛 剛 我 提 到 這 些 南 島 以 西 的 共 同 體 的 一 個 國 家 也 應 該 推 派 推 認 我 們 未 來 原 名 外 交 的 無 認 所 或 是 有 認 所 你 覺 得 有 沒 有 必 要\n\n21\n00:06:54,963 --> 00:07:10,214\n跟 委 員 報 告 到 5 2 0 因 為 是 上 一 任 的 總 統 是 有 無 人 鎖 大 使 是 由 原 名 來 擔 任 是 阿 新 的 還 在 現 在 在 已 經 過 了 一 段 時 間 了 部 長\n\n22\n00:07:10,834 --> 00:07:30,897\n因 為 現 在 我 要 你 的 是 直 接 的 回 答 因 為 這 是 你 現 在 要 接 任 這 個 外 交 部 長 你 有 自 己 本 身 的 主 張 主 張 就 是 也 要 有 一 個 魄 力 我 現 在 如 何 把 外 交 能 夠 在 國 際 間 奠 定 了 我 們 的 核 心 價 值 包 含 它 的 價 值 的 外 交 這 是 一 個 重 點\n\n23\n00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:51,017\n你 看 我 們 反 觀 我 們 過 去 在 前 任 的 部 長 裡 面 在 歐 洲 跟 外 交 的 關 係 情 況 持 平 穩 定 成 長 還 是 已 經 有 警 訊 雖 然 我 國 在 歐 洲 有 歐 洲 僅 有 教 廷 的 一 個 邦 交 國\n\n24\n00:07:51,918 --> 00:08:07,846\n但 外 交 部 這 幾 年 對 歐 洲 的 著 力 點 非 常 大 這 個 外 交 部 歐 洲 司 的 預 算 逐 年 增 加 就 可 以 看 出 歐 洲 司 的 各 年 度 的 預 算 一 直 在 不 斷 的 增 加 1 0 9 年 8 4 0 0 億\n\n25\n00:08:11,767 --> 00:08:32,955\n一 百 一 十 年 一 點 六 億 一 百 一 十 一 年 一 點 九 億 一 百 一 十 二 年 二 點 一 億 一 百 一 十 三 年 升 高 到 五 點 七 億 這 幾 年 在 歐 洲 的 外 交 投 注 到 一 度 引 起 邦 交 國 的 眼 紅 例 如 二 零 二 年\n\n26\n00:08:34,335 --> 00:08:54,340\n我 國 在 南 美 洲 唯 一 的 邦 交 國 巴 拉 圭 在 其 總 統 表 示 臺 灣 在 非 邦 交 國 的 投 資 超 過 6 0 億 美 元 我 們 想 要 有 1 0 億 美 元 是 在 巴 拉 圭 投 資 還 有 助 於 我 們 建 立 以 臺 灣 的 戰 略 戰 略 關 係 的 聯 盟\n\n27\n00:08:58,101 --> 00:09:25,110\n我 國 雖 然 在 歐 洲 投 資 這 麼 多 的 資 源 但 最 近 看 來 外 交 部 情 況 似 乎 不 太 好 例 如 一 本 月 初 習 近 平 對 法 國 一 口 氣 與 法 國 共 同 發 布 四 項 聯 合 聲 明 十 八 項 政 府 間 合 作 協 議 第 二 奧 地 利 突 然 宣 布 拒 絕 承 認 我 國 的 國 際 護 照 第 三\n\n28\n00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:50,377\n即 將 卸 任 的 歐 盟 外 長 受 訪 的 時 候 , 歐 盟 既 既 定 其 立 場 即 不 承 認 臺 灣 的 國 家 地 位 未 來 也 不 會 這 樣 做 。 第 四 , 立 陶 宛 總 統 可 能 將 我 代 表 出 改 名 。 第 五 , 上 同 教 廷 主 動 向 中 國 大 陸 表 達 希 望 能 在 北 京 成 立\n\n29\n00:09:51,738 --> 00:09:52,338\n李 卓 人\n\n30\n00:10:07,375 --> 00:10:35,311\n當 然 外 交 的 攻 防 彼 此 確 實 是 警 訊 我 們 要 非 常 注 意 其 實 起 早 的 預 警 跟 因 應 是 非 常 關 鍵 的 我 們 一 方 面 也 在 擴 展 但 是 有 一 些 也 要 守 得 住 所 以 剛 剛 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我想聽聽你的想法\n是,謝謝委員提醒,確實,原民外交是台灣走和出去,而且這個是符合現在整個普世的價值。\n在南島方面,特別是太平洋方面,所以相關的國際組織或合作計畫,我們要積極來參與。有關於包括南島民族論壇、太平洋島國論壇或過去所辦過,我們要做一個檢視,我們要積極來參與,甚至我們可以倡議。\n我們過去外交的職員都著重在論壇的方面但是實質上有沒有進一步的能夠變成一個建交的實質上的一個建交國這是一個重點\n因為我們訪問一下台灣是南歐以西分化及擴散的源頭那包含夏威夷群島、越南南部、菲律賓、馬來群島\n東到復活節島,西到馬加斯加島,南到紐西蘭,全都是南島語系,總共的人口數就2.5億的人口,在太平洋島嶼則有100萬人口。\n在這個價值的外交的核心裡面那麼也應該把原住民的外交要把它切入到裡面作為你這一次接任外交部的一個重點我希望看到一個成績好不好\n報告委員我有寫進去那個外交部的業務報告裡面原住民的外交原住民的外交因為我們本來就是一個南島共同體嘛好不好因為我希望說在這個過程因為現在的國際情勢非常的混亂\n台灣要走出去現在目前就是因為國際情勢包含兩岸之間現在對岸不斷對我們台灣的外交一直在壓制限縮我們的國際外交所以這個就是要如何去突破\n因為剛剛我提到這些南島以西的共同體的一個國家也應該推派推認我們未來原名外交的無認所或是有認所你覺得有沒有必要\n跟委員報告到520因為是上一任的總統是有無人鎖大使是由原名來擔任是阿新的還在現在在已經過了一段時間了部長\n因為現在我要你的是直接的回答因為這是你現在要接任這個外交部長你有自己本身的主張主張就是也要有一個魄力我現在如何把外交能夠在國際間奠定了我們的核心價值包含它的價值的外交這是一個重點\n你看我們反觀我們過去在前任的部長裡面在歐洲跟外交的關係情況持平穩定成長還是已經有警訊雖然我國在歐洲有歐洲僅有教廷的一個邦交國\n但外交部這幾年對歐洲的著力點非常大這個外交部歐洲司的預算逐年增加就可以看出歐洲司的各年度的預算一直在不斷的增加109年8400億\n一百一十年一點六億一百一十一年一點九億一百一十二年二點一億一百一十三年升高到五點七億這幾年在歐洲的外交投注到一度引起邦交國的眼紅例如二零二年\n我國在南美洲唯一的邦交國巴拉圭在其總統表示臺灣在非邦交國的投資超過60億美元我們想要有10億美元是在巴拉圭投資還有助於我們建立以臺灣的戰略戰略關係的聯盟\n我國雖然在歐洲投資這麼多的資源但最近看來外交部情況似乎不太好例如一本月初習近平對法國一口氣與法國共同發布四項聯合聲明十八項政府間合作協議第二奧地利突然宣布拒絕承認我國的國際護照第三\n即將卸任的歐盟外長受訪的時候,歐盟既既定其立場即不承認臺灣的國家地位未來也不會這樣做。第四,立陶宛總統可能將我代表出改名。第五,上同教廷主動向中國大陸表達希望能在北京成立\n李卓人\n當然外交的攻防彼此確實是警訊我們要非常注意其實起早的預警跟因應是非常關鍵的我們一方面也在擴展但是有一些也要守得住所以剛剛提到的這五項我們都會特別來注意其他方面所謂價值外交就是創造台灣的價值可以讓這些跟我們交往的國家因台灣而更好\n我覺得這種的理念跟作為包括原住民的外交因為很多文明的社會對於原住民族或少數族群他是視為資產\n韓國瑜議員\n所以現在就是把價值外交著重在原命外交這是一個非常好的一個策略為什麼\n以上這是提供給部長一個參考我們一起來努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.529 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03:11.732\n上 次 我 特 別 有 跟 吳 前 部 長 特 別 提 到 原 民 的 外 交 因 為 原 民 的 外 交 在 我 們 臺 灣 的 原 住 民 是 屬 於 南 島 以 西 的 民 主 的 南 島 以 西 人\n\n03:14.383 --> 03:34.458\n如 果 按 照 連 結 整 個 南 島 語 系 的 整 個 國 家 整 個 國 家 總 共 人 口 數 就 2 . 5 億 的 人 口 數 這 相 當 龐 大 的 一 個 人 口 數 所 以 如 果 我 們 今 天 著 重 在 這 個 南 島 語 系 的 做 一 個 連 結 外 交\n\n03:35.259 --> 03:51.238\n那 是 不 是 也 可 以 讓 原 住 民 有 無 認 所 或 是 有 認 所 的 外 交 來 做 一 個 連 結 讓 我 們 在 目 前 困 境 的 一 個 國 家 現 在 你 看 馬 上 要 面 臨 什 麼\n\n03:53.131 --> 03:57.634\n我 相 信 部 長 你 有 智 慧 即 面 對 這 樣 危 機 的 時 候 便 轉 機 原 民 外 交 就 是 一 個 重 點 我 想 聽 聽 你 的 想 法\n\n04:14.466 --> 04:25.154\n是 , 謝 謝 委 員 提 醒 , 確 實 , 原 民 外 交 是 台 灣 走 和 出 去 , 而 且 這 個 是 符 合 現 在 整 個 普 世 的 價 值 。\n\n04:28.142 --> 04:44.427\n在 南 島 方 面 , 特 別 是 太 平 洋 方 面 , 所 以 相 關 的 國 際 組 織 或 合 作 計 畫 , 我 們 要 積 極 來 參 與 。 有 關 於 包 括 南 島 民 族 論 壇 、 太 平 洋 島 國 論 壇 或 過 去 所 辦 過 , 我 們 要 做 一 個 檢 視 , 我 們 要 積 極 來 參 與 , 甚 至 我 們 可 以 倡 議 。\n\n04:47.428 --> 05:08.239\n我 們 過 去 外 交 的 職 員 都 著 重 在 論 壇 的 方 面 但 是 實 質 上 有 沒 有 進 一 步 的 能 夠 變 成 一 個 建 交 的 實 質 上 的 一 個 建 交 國 這 是 一 個 重 點\n\n05:09.139 --> 05:22.817\n因 為 我 們 訪 問 一 下 台 灣 是 南 歐 以 西 分 化 及 擴 散 的 源 頭 那 包 含 夏 威 夷 群 島 、 越 南 南 部 、 菲 律 賓 、 馬 來 群 島\n\n05:25.139 --> 05:41.465\n東 到 復 活 節 島 , 西 到 馬 加 斯 加 島 , 南 到 紐 西 蘭 , 全 都 是 南 島 語 系 , 總 共 的 人 口 數 就 2 . 5 億 的 人 口 , 在 太 平 洋 島 嶼 則 有 1 0 0 萬 人 口 。\n\n05:46.072 --> 06:04.041\n在 這 個 價 值 的 外 交 的 核 心 裡 面 那 麼 也 應 該 把 原 住 民 的 外 交 要 把 它 切 入 到 裡 面 作 為 你 這 一 次 接 任 外 交 部 的 一 個 重 點 我 希 望 看 到 一 個 成 績 好 不 好\n\n06:05.041 --> 06:21.838\n報 告 委 員 我 有 寫 進 去 那 個 外 交 部 的 業 務 報 告 裡 面 原 住 民 的 外 交 原 住 民 的 外 交 因 為 我 們 本 來 就 是 一 個 南 島 共 同 體 嘛 好 不 好 因 為 我 希 望 說 在 這 個 過 程 因 為 現 在 的 國 際 情 勢 非 常 的 混 亂\n\n06:22.699 --> 06:39.475\n台 灣 要 走 出 去 現 在 目 前 就 是 因 為 國 際 情 勢 包 含 兩 岸 之 間 現 在 對 岸 不 斷 對 我 們 台 灣 的 外 交 一 直 在 壓 制 限 縮 我 們 的 國 際 外 交 所 以 這 個 就 是 要 如 何 去 突 破\n\n06:40.015 --> 06:53.907\n因 為 剛 剛 我 提 到 這 些 南 島 以 西 的 共 同 體 的 一 個 國 家 也 應 該 推 派 推 認 我 們 未 來 原 名 外 交 的 無 認 所 或 是 有 認 所 你 覺 得 有 沒 有 必 要\n\n06:54.963 --> 07:10.214\n跟 委 員 報 告 到 5 2 0 因 為 是 上 一 任 的 總 統 是 有 無 人 鎖 大 使 是 由 原 名 來 擔 任 是 阿 新 的 還 在 現 在 在 已 經 過 了 一 段 時 間 了 部 長\n\n07:10.834 --> 07:30.897\n因 為 現 在 我 要 你 的 是 直 接 的 回 答 因 為 這 是 你 現 在 要 接 任 這 個 外 交 部 長 你 有 自 己 本 身 的 主 張 主 張 就 是 也 要 有 一 個 魄 力 我 現 在 如 何 把 外 交 能 夠 在 國 際 間 奠 定 了 我 們 的 核 心 價 值 包 含 它 的 價 值 的 外 交 這 是 一 個 重 點\n\n07:32.199 --> 07:51.017\n你 看 我 們 反 觀 我 們 過 去 在 前 任 的 部 長 裡 面 在 歐 洲 跟 外 交 的 關 係 情 況 持 平 穩 定 成 長 還 是 已 經 有 警 訊 雖 然 我 國 在 歐 洲 有 歐 洲 僅 有 教 廷 的 一 個 邦 交 國\n\n07:51.918 --> 08:07.846\n但 外 交 部 這 幾 年 對 歐 洲 的 著 力 點 非 常 大 這 個 外 交 部 歐 洲 司 的 預 算 逐 年 增 加 就 可 以 看 出 歐 洲 司 的 各 年 度 的 預 算 一 直 在 不 斷 的 增 加 1 0 9 年 8 4 0 0 億\n\n08:11.767 --> 08:32.955\n一 百 一 十 年 一 點 六 億 一 百 一 十 一 年 一 點 九 億 一 百 一 十 二 年 二 點 一 億 一 百 一 十 三 年 升 高 到 五 點 七 億 這 幾 年 在 歐 洲 的 外 交 投 注 到 一 度 引 起 邦 交 國 的 眼 紅 例 如 二 零 二 年\n\n08:34.335 --> 08:54.340\n我 國 在 南 美 洲 唯 一 的 邦 交 國 巴 拉 圭 在 其 總 統 表 示 臺 灣 在 非 邦 交 國 的 投 資 超 過 6 0 億 美 元 我 們 想 要 有 1 0 億 美 元 是 在 巴 拉 圭 投 資 還 有 助 於 我 們 建 立 以 臺 灣 的 戰 略 戰 略 關 係 的 聯 盟\n\n08:58.101 --> 09:25.110\n我 國 雖 然 在 歐 洲 投 資 這 麼 多 的 資 源 但 最 近 看 來 外 交 部 情 況 似 乎 不 太 好 例 如 一 本 月 初 習 近 平 對 法 國 一 口 氣 與 法 國 共 同 發 布 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