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的 問 題 。 市 長 好 , 今 天 本 席 我 們 要 來 討 論 的 就 是 關 於 老 人 健 保 費 的 問 題 。 市 長 好 , 今 天 本 席 我 們 要 來 討 論 的 就 是 關 於 老 人 健 保 費 的 問 題 。 市 長 好 , 今 天 本 席 我 們 要 來 討 論 的 就 是 關 於 老 人 健 保 費 的 問 題 。 市 長 好 , 今 天 本 席 我 們 要 來 討 論 的 就 是 關 於 老 人 健 保 費 的 問 題 。 市 長 好 , 今 天 本 席 我 們 要 來 討\n\n3\n00:00:53,541 --> 00:01:11,050\n謝 謝 , 謝 謝 這 個 神 救 援 。 我 想 請 教 一 下 , 肺 癌 過 去 以 來 , 它 是 在 這 個 癌 症 排 名 前 三 名 裡 面 , 可 是 它 最 近 幾 年 一 直 排 在 我 們 全 台 灣 癌 症 的 第 一 名 。 想 請 問 一 下 , 這 個 肺 癌 發 生 的 原 因 是 什 麼 ? 高 發 的 原 因 是 什 麼 ? 你 知 道 嗎 ?\n\n4\n00:01:11,721 --> 00:01:27,943\n報 告 委 員 , 肺 癌 當 然 主 要 當 然 就 是 說 跟 整 個 這 一 個 相 關 的 空 氣 還 有 像 就 是 說 一 些 抽 菸 抽 菸 等 等 這 些 問 題 還 有 家 庭 主 婦 好 謝 謝 次 長 沒 錯 其 實 次 長 非 常 關 心 雖 然 一 開 始 沒 有 回 答 出 來\n\n5\n00:01:28,524 --> 00:01:28,744\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n6\n00:01:58,127 --> 00:02:00,007\n市 長 , 我 這 邊 想 要 來 提 出 是 不 是 這 個 衛 福 部 應 該 跟 環 境 部 來 討 論 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 啊 。\n\n7\n00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:23,413\n﹚ 張 智 倫\n\n8\n00:02:36,542 --> 00:02:36,902\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n9\n00:02:53,507 --> 00:03:14,826\n﹏ 尤 其 在 晚 上 的 時 候 ﹏ 這 個 ﹏ 太 陽 能 發 電 是 歸 零 啊 ﹏ 火 力 發 電 , 火 力 全 開 ﹏ 那 很 多 人 在 晚 上 的 時 候 會 去 運 動 , 下 班 回 來 晚 上 去 運 動 ﹏ 所 以 我 這 邊 一 定 要 讓 我 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 啊 ﹏ 如 果 晚 上 空 氣 污 染 是 嚴 重 的 ﹏ 那 人 民 還 如 果 還 去 ﹏ 外 面 運 動 的 話 ﹏ 我 認 為 人 民 需 要 有 知 的 權 利 , 就 知 道 說 今 天 的 ﹏\n\n10\n00:03:15,326 --> 00:03:29,359\n﹑ 空 氣 污 染 品 質 是 否 已 經 達 到 危 害 的 程 度 ﹑ 以 免 造 成 我 們 全 臺 人 民 的 身 體 健 康 的 負 擔 ﹑ 請 問 市 長 你 同 意 嗎 ? 包 委 員 我 覺 得 這 個 i d e a 真 的 非 常 好 。 就 是 說 應 該 要 有 一 些 s i g n a l 的 一 些 預 警 措 施 讓 民 眾 來 廣 為 周 知 。\n\n11\n00:03:31,781 --> 00:03:59,688\n好 , 謝 謝 次 長 仇 善 如 流 。 其 實 這 邊 我 也 拜 託 這 個 跨 部 門 大 家 要 溝 通 。 應 該 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 。 就 是 說 如 果 今 天 的 空 氣 品 質 是 差 的 , 我 出 門 我 至 少 戴 一 個 口 罩 , 而 不 是 讓 全 民 都 好 像 活 在 這 個 不 知 道 身 邊 就 有 空 污 的 情 況 下 , 導 致 現 在 肺 癌 已 經 成 為 全 台 灣 空 污 排 名 的 第 一 名 。 所 以 這 邊 跟 次 長 報 告 , 我 也 拜 託 環 境 部 這 邊 大 家 一 起 共 同 來 努 力 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 。 第 二 個 , 要 跟 請 教 次 長 的 是 ,\n\n12\n00:04:00,488 --> 00:04:28,003\n這 個 邱 泰 元 現 在 接 任 我 們 的 衛 福 部 的 部 長 他 有 出 一 個 這 個 健 康 白 皮 書 啊 他 裡 面 有 特 別 提 到 吼 就 是 我 們 現 在 在 講 的 老 人 健 保 的 這 個 6 5 歲 以 上 需 要 東 東 免 拉 健 保 費 政 府 補 助 嘛 現 在 財 源 上 有 問 題 所 以 他 特 別 有 提 到 說 調 高 政 府 這 個 投 資 保 費 支 出 從 3 6 % 到 3 8 % 他 裡 面 特 別 有 提 出 來 說\n\n13\n00:04:29,389 --> 00:04:43,815\n﹏ 其 實 政 府 投 資 支 出 不 能 低 於 每 年 健 保 總 額 的 3 6 % ﹏ 顧 名 思 義 要 提 到 3 8 % ﹏ 也 不 用 修 改 健 保 法 ﹏ 這 樣 就 可 以 增 加 幾 百 億 ﹏ 而 且 他 特 別 提 到 說 ﹏ 過 去 政 府 推 的 什 麼 政 策 要 花 錢 ﹏\n\n14\n00:04:44,975 --> 00:05:07,350\n﹏ 而 且 他 認 為 健 保 總 額 要 用 在 醫 療 ﹏ 過 去 政 府 推 了 什 麼 政 策 要 花 錢 ﹏ 編 總 預 算 很 麻 煩 ﹏ 因 此 常 常 便 宜 行 事 ﹏ 就 是 沒 有 應 該 總 額 付 出 的 錢 也 放 在 裡 面 ﹏ 尤 其 他 說 之 前 好 像 有 這 個 這 個 健 保 ﹏ 他 把 一 些 資 料 上 傳 到 雲 端 這 些 的 支 出 也 放 在 總 額 裡 面 ﹏ 所 以 這 個 次 長 你 同 不 同 意 部 長 講 的 ﹏ 你 們 應 該 趕 快 去 爭 取 啊 ﹏\n\n15\n00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:28,501\n提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提\n\n16\n00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:33,459\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n17\n00:05:52,222 --> 00:05:52,242\n﹚ 張 智 倫\n\n18\n00:06:12,367 --> 00:06:26,614\n市 長 , 最 後 一 點 我 要 跟 市 長 請 教 , 就 是 我 覺 得 台 灣 未 來 就 是 高 齡 化 社 會 , 依 照 長 照 要 多 推 , 就 是 往 前 推 。 那 現 在 全 台 灣 的 這 個 長 照 員 嚴 重 不 足 , 覺 得 衛 福 部 這 邊 有 沒 有 什 麼 對 應 的 機 制 ?\n\n19\n00:06:28,195 --> 00:06:41,531\n我 記 得 就 衛 福 部 你 們 對 未 來 日 照 的 這 個 目 標 是 什 麼 我 過 去 有 聽 到 你 們 有 想 要 做 一 禮 一 日 照 有 沒 有 這 樣 的 策 略 那 你 們 如 何 去 做 那 未 來 台 灣 現 在 嚴 重 的 日 照 源 不 足 你 們 要 怎 麼 去 做 什 麼 簡 單\n\n20\n00:06:43,792 --> 00:07:10,493\n我 們 現 在 是 以 那 個 就 是 類 似 日 本 的 這 個 措 施 的 那 個 方 法 就 是 說 是 一 學 期 一 學 區 一 日 照 就 是 說 你 的 整 個 整 個 這 個 交 通 範 圍 的 這 一 個 那 我 們 也 長 照 市 這 邊 也 全 力 在 推 動 這 一 個 整 個 這 個 日 照 中 心 的 這 個 部 件 計 畫 我 們 是 不 是 容 我 們 惠 後 我 們 再 將 官 資 料 提 供 給 委 員 非 常 感 謝 次 長 因 為 這 是 我 非 常 關 心 我 的 政 策 其 實 當 時 也 是 想 要 一 里 一 日 照 那 希 望 大 家 一 起 來 努 力 中 央 地 方 一 條 心 一 學 區\n\n21\n00:07:11,053 --> 00:07:17,701\n一 學 區 , 一 學 區 , 現 在 改 成 一 學 區 一 國 中 學 區 一 日 照 。 大 家 一 起 共 同 來 努 力 。 謝 謝 , 謝 謝 市 長 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01:28.744\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n01:58.127 --> 02:00.007\n市 長 , 我 這 邊 想 要 來 提 出 是 不 是 這 個 衛 福 部 應 該 跟 環 境 部 來 討 論 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 啊 。\n\n02:23.393 --> 02:23.413\n﹚ 張 智 倫\n\n02:36.542 --> 02:36.902\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n02:53.507 --> 03:14.826\n﹏ 尤 其 在 晚 上 的 時 候 ﹏ 這 個 ﹏ 太 陽 能 發 電 是 歸 零 啊 ﹏ 火 力 發 電 , 火 力 全 開 ﹏ 那 很 多 人 在 晚 上 的 時 候 會 去 運 動 , 下 班 回 來 晚 上 去 運 動 ﹏ 所 以 我 這 邊 一 定 要 讓 我 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 啊 ﹏ 如 果 晚 上 空 氣 污 染 是 嚴 重 的 ﹏ 那 人 民 還 如 果 還 去 ﹏ 外 面 運 動 的 話 ﹏ 我 認 為 人 民 需 要 有 知 的 權 利 , 就 知 道 說 今 天 的 ﹏\n\n03:15.326 --> 03:29.359\n﹑ 空 氣 污 染 品 質 是 否 已 經 達 到 危 害 的 程 度 ﹑ 以 免 造 成 我 們 全 臺 人 民 的 身 體 健 康 的 負 擔 ﹑ 請 問 市 長 你 同 意 嗎 ? 包 委 員 我 覺 得 這 個 i d e a 真 的 非 常 好 。 就 是 說 應 該 要 有 一 些 s i g n a l 的 一 些 預 警 措 施 讓 民 眾 來 廣 為 周 知 。\n\n03:31.781 --> 03:59.688\n好 , 謝 謝 次 長 仇 善 如 流 。 其 實 這 邊 我 也 拜 託 這 個 跨 部 門 大 家 要 溝 通 。 應 該 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 。 就 是 說 如 果 今 天 的 空 氣 品 質 是 差 的 , 我 出 門 我 至 少 戴 一 個 口 罩 , 而 不 是 讓 全 民 都 好 像 活 在 這 個 不 知 道 身 邊 就 有 空 污 的 情 況 下 , 導 致 現 在 肺 癌 已 經 成 為 全 台 灣 空 污 排 名 的 第 一 名 。 所 以 這 邊 跟 次 長 報 告 , 我 也 拜 託 環 境 部 這 邊 大 家 一 起 共 同 來 努 力 讓 人 民 有 知 的 權 利 。 第 二 個 , 要 跟 請 教 次 長 的 是 ,\n\n04:00.488 --> 04:28.003\n這 個 邱 泰 元 現 在 接 任 我 們 的 衛 福 部 的 部 長 他 有 出 一 個 這 個 健 康 白 皮 書 啊 他 裡 面 有 特 別 提 到 吼 就 是 我 們 現 在 在 講 的 老 人 健 保 的 這 個 6 5 歲 以 上 需 要 東 東 免 拉 健 保 費 政 府 補 助 嘛 現 在 財 源 上 有 問 題 所 以 他 特 別 有 提 到 說 調 高 政 府 這 個 投 資 保 費 支 出 從 3 6 % 到 3 8 % 他 裡 面 特 別 有 提 出 來 說\n\n04:29.389 --> 04:43.815\n﹏ 其 實 政 府 投 資 支 出 不 能 低 於 每 年 健 保 總 額 的 3 6 % ﹏ 顧 名 思 義 要 提 到 3 8 % ﹏ 也 不 用 修 改 健 保 法 ﹏ 這 樣 就 可 以 增 加 幾 百 億 ﹏ 而 且 他 特 別 提 到 說 ﹏ 過 去 政 府 推 的 什 麼 政 策 要 花 錢 ﹏\n\n04:44.975 --> 05:07.350\n﹏ 而 且 他 認 為 健 保 總 額 要 用 在 醫 療 ﹏ 過 去 政 府 推 了 什 麼 政 策 要 花 錢 ﹏ 編 總 預 算 很 麻 煩 ﹏ 因 此 常 常 便 宜 行 事 ﹏ 就 是 沒 有 應 該 總 額 付 出 的 錢 也 放 在 裡 面 ﹏ 尤 其 他 說 之 前 好 像 有 這 個 這 個 健 保 ﹏ 他 把 一 些 資 料 上 傳 到 雲 端 這 些 的 支 出 也 放 在 總 額 裡 面 ﹏ 所 以 這 個 次 長 你 同 不 同 意 部 長 講 的 ﹏ 你 們 應 該 趕 快 去 爭 取 啊 ﹏\n\n05:07.930 --> 05:28.501\n提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提 高 政 府 投 資 支 出 從 3 6 % 提\n\n05:33.439 --> 05:33.459\n﹚ 張 智 倫 ﹚\n\n05:52.222 --> 05:52.242\n﹚ 張 智 倫\n\n06:12.367 --> 06:26.614\n市 長 , 最 後 一 點 我 要 跟 市 長 請 教 , 就 是 我 覺 得 台 灣 未 來 就 是 高 齡 化 社 會 , 依 照 長 照 要 多 推 , 就 是 往 前 推 。 那 現 在 全 台 灣 的 這 個 長 照 員 嚴 重 不 足 , 覺 得 衛 福 部 這 邊 有 沒 有 什 麼 對 應 的 機 制 ?\n\n06:28.195 --> 06:41.531\n我 記 得 就 衛 福 部 你 們 對 未 來 日 照 的 這 個 目 標 是 什 麼 我 過 去 有 聽 到 你 們 有 想 要 做 一 禮 一 日 照 有 沒 有 這 樣 的 策 略 那 你 們 如 何 去 做 那 未 來 台 灣 現 在 嚴 重 的 日 照 源 不 足 你 們 要 怎 麼 去 做 什 麼 簡 單\n\n06:43.792 --> 07:10.493\n我 們 現 在 是 以 那 個 就 是 類 似 日 本 的 這 個 措 施 的 那 個 方 法 就 是 說 是 一 學 期 一 學 區 一 日 照 就 是 說 你 的 整 個 整 個 這 個 交 通 範 圍 的 這 一 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﹏而且他認為健保總額要用在醫療﹏過去政府推了什麼政策要花錢﹏編總預算很麻煩﹏因此常常便宜行事﹏就是沒有應該總額付出的錢也放在裡面﹏尤其他說之前好像有這個這個健保﹏他把一些資料上傳到雲端這些的支出也放在總額裡面﹏所以這個次長你同不同意部長講的﹏你們應該趕快去爭取啊﹏"},{"start":307.93,"end":328.501,"text":"提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提高政府投資支出從36%提"},{"start":333.439,"end":333.459,"text":"﹚張智倫﹚"},{"start":352.222,"end":352.242,"text":"﹚張智倫"},{"start":372.367,"end":386.614,"text":"市長,最後一點我要跟市長請教,就是我覺得台灣未來就是高齡化社會,依照長照要多推,就是往前推。那現在全台灣的這個長照員嚴重不足,覺得衛福部這邊有沒有什麼對應的機制?"},{"start":388.195,"end":401.531,"text":"我記得就衛福部你們對未來日照的這個目標是什麼我過去有聽到你們有想要做一禮一日照有沒有這樣的策略那你們如何去做那未來台灣現在嚴重的日照源不足你們要怎麼去做什麼簡單"},{"start":403.792,"end":430.493,"text":"我們現在是以那個就是類似日本的這個措施的那個方法就是說是一學期一學區一日照就是說你的整個整個這個交通範圍的這一個那我們也長照市這邊也全力在推動這一個整個這個日照中心的這個部件計畫我們是不是容我們惠後我們再將官資料提供給委員非常感謝次長因為這是我非常關心我的政策其實當時也是想要一里一日照那希望大家一起來努力中央地方一條心一學區"},{"start":431.053,"end":437.701,"text":"一學區,一學區,現在改成一學區一國中學區一日照。大家一起共同來努力。謝謝,謝謝市長。"}]}}}}