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來 差 不 多 5 0 0 多 名 員 工 嘛 那 如 果 加 上 配 偶 加 券 等 等 可 能 會 有 接 近 2 0 0 0 位 族 人 的 權 益 啦\n\n3\n00:00:39,738 --> 00:01:02,381\n今 天 討 論 的 主 題 是 叫 做 都 市 原 住 民 原 住 民 族 語 言 傳 播 大 樓 搬 到 桃 園 未 來 這 些 人 搬 進 來 它 也 是 都 市 原 住 民 的 一 部 分 上 次 我 們 討 論 到 安 置 的 配 套 裡 面 曾 經 有 討 論 過 是 不 是 要 做 員 工 宿 舍 或 者 是 合 宿 宅 這 樣 子 的 一 個 方 式 請 問 這 個 案 子 後 續 現 在 主 委 有 沒 有 掌 握\n\n4\n00:01:03,385 --> 00:01:19,196\n現 在 我 們 應 該 是 這 兩 天 才 剛 剛 跟 這 個 這 兩 個 基 金 會 我 們 已 經 討 論 討 論 討 論 到 了 就 是 希 望 要 挹 注 一 些 經 費 來 解 決 他 們 的 一 些 問 題 那 挹 注 什 麼 樣 的 經 費 解 決 什 麼 樣 的 問 題 特 別 就 是 這 個\n\n5\n00:01:22,339 --> 00:01:42,920\n請 這 兩 個 基 金 會 的 員 工 搬 遷 的 前 意 我 們 要 協 助 他 們 來 幫 忙 來 爭 取 這 個 他 們 的 這 個 要 蓋 這 個 基 金 會 希 望 在 明 年 度 的 預 算 來 協 助 所 以 是 要 幫 他 們 蓋 員 工 宿 舍 的 意 思 嗎 宿 舍 還 要 再 等 這 個 兩 基 金 會 來 做 這 個\n\n6\n00:01:45,441 --> 00:01:45,901\n財 務 局 局 長 財 務 局 長 財 務 局 長\n\n7\n00:02:07,419 --> 00:02:27,131\n交 通 的 協 助 。 另 外 有 關 租 屋 這 部 分 的 補 助 。 這 等 等 都 還 要 等 待 兩 基 金 會 要 溝 通 好 了 之 後 形 成 一 個 具 體 的 方 案 再 報 到 董 事 會 這 邊 來 通 過 。 通 過 之 後 才 會 送 會 裡 面 這 邊 來 我 們 來 做 備 查 。\n\n8\n00:02:31,915 --> 00:02:45,228\n已 經 快 要 遷 移 了 不 是 嗎 ? 沒 有 , 我 們 的 建 築 土 木 工 程 會 到 明 年 的 3 月 才 完 工 。 室 內 裝 修 要 到 明 年 底 才 完 工 。 那 實 際 的 搬 遷 的 時 程 大 概 會 落 在 1 1 5 年 的 3 到 6 月 。\n\n9\n00:02:47,290 --> 00:02:47,430\n議 員 負 責 擬 具\n\n10\n00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:29,774\n大 概 三 個 月 會 形 成 這 個 具 體 的 方 案 。 三 個 月 喔 , 好 。 上 次 答 詢 的 時 候 你 們 有 講 啦 , 因 為 有 徵 詢 桃 園 市 政 府 的 意 見 , 但 看 起 來 桃 園 市 政 府 配 合 的 意 願 不 高 。 但 我 們 要 做 個 釐 清 啦 , 後 來 我 去 了 解 了 這 整 個 提 案 的 來 龍 去 脈 。 它 其 實 蠻 希 望 在 這 個 A 1 6 、 A 1 7 附 近 嘛 , 就 是 說 航 空 城 的 淡 白 區 啦 , 來 做 一 塊 專 有 的 像 合 一 住 宅 。\n\n11\n00:03:30,154 --> 00:03:57,174\n然 後 讓 這 個 員 工 來 做 相 對 便 宜 的 價 格 來 做 認 購 概 念 上 來 說 我 覺 得 這 是 不 錯 的 但 是 我 們 也 問 了 桃 園 市 政 府 的 意 見 我 承 諾 過 我 來 負 責 協 助 溝 通 協 調 嘛 那 桃 園 市 政 府 目 前 狀 況 回 應 是 這 樣 就 是 說 A 1 6 跟 A 1 7 中 間 是 航 空 城 的 區 段 徵 收 現 在 還 沒 有 走 到 配 地 的 階 段 所 以 說 你 要 在 做 用 地 取 得 來 說 客 觀 上 來 講 它 有 些 困 難 但 還 沒 有 取 得 配 地 的 階 段 不 表 示 我 們 不 可 以 在 這 個 案 子 上 做 一 些 努 力 啊\n\n12\n00:03:57,754 --> 00:04:15,263\n為 什 麼 呢 ? 因 為 A 1 6 、 A 1 7 周 邊 其 實 有 非 常 多 現 在 就 是 中 央 的 土 地 啊 , 叫 農 田 水 利 署 。 好 , 那 現 在 我 想 請 問 這 個 原 民 會 這 裡 有 沒 有 針 對 中 央 的 橫 向 連 結 , 先 去 了 解 說 未 來 我 能 不 能 先 取 得 一 部 分 的 土 地 。 讓 我 未 來 如 果 要 興 建 員 工 宿 舍 或 安 置 住 宅 是 有 土 地 可 以 用 的 。\n\n13\n00:04:16,438 --> 00:04:37,856\n跟 委 員 報 告 包 括 這 個 合 意 住 宅 包 括 社 會 住 宅 的 這 兩 個 方 案 那 因 為 兩 基 金 會 還 沒 有 把 具 體 的 這 個 規 劃 送 到 會 裡 面 這 邊 所 以 我 們 還 是 等 兩 基 金 會 送 這 些 具 體 的 規 劃 方 案 過 來 之 後 我 們 再 來 做 協 助 包 括 剛 剛 委 員 所 提 到 的 一 些 土 地 取 得 上 面 的 一 些 協 調 等 等\n\n14\n00:04:38,888 --> 00:04:57,269\n我 上 次 問 你 們 的 時 候 你 們 就 講 說 是 桃 園 市 政 府 不 配 合 然 後 現 在 問 你 的 時 候 你 現 在 變 成 說 是 兩 基 金 會 還 沒 有 定 案 這 種 答 詢 的 態 度 本 席 不 是 很 滿 意 好 沒 關 係 新 官 上 任 我 總 是 給 你 機 會 三 個 月 內 至 少 全 部 的 方 案 你 要 怎 麼 去 完 善 怎 麼 樣 把 土 地 的 狀 況 先 做 調 查\n\n15\n00:04:57,850 --> 00:05:11,809\n包 含 做 橫 向 溝 通 我 要 求 原 民 會 來 做 相 關 的 處 理 因 為 本 席 認 為 與 其 發 交 通 津 貼 或 租 屋 補 助 你 若 願 意 橫 向 溝 通 取 得 土 地 有 員 工 宿 舍 的 方 式 衝 擊 最 小 福 利 最 大 我 覺 得 也 才 能 夠 徹 底 解 決 那 個\n\n16\n00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:12,890\n主 席\n\n17\n00:05:36,907 --> 00:05:38,348\n及 原 住 民 語 言 傳 播 大 樓 的 搬 遷 能 夠 順 利 。\n\n18\n00:06:06,787 --> 00:06:29,065\n但 是 你 如 果 一 個 中 央 的 政 策 然 後 你 要 求 說 我 還 要 求 桃 園 市 政 府 出 地 甚 至 要 求 桃 園 市 政 府 出 預 算 的 時 候 本 期 作 為 桃 園 市 的 民 意 代 表 我 可 以 告 訴 你 地 方 財 政 其 實 非 常 吃 緊 建 設 也 非 常 多 中 央 的 事 就 要 由 中 央 來 出 資 源 照 顧 原 住 民 同 胞 大 家 都 會 配 合 但 如 果 中 央 願 意 出 這 個 資 源 然 後 願 意 推 動 這 樣 的 政 策 桃 園 市 政 府 如 果 不 配 合 我 也 會 帶 頭\n\n19\n00:06:30,507 --> 00:06:39,824\n來 要 求 桃 園 政 府 配 合 行 政 流 程 所 以 我 認 為 行 政 流 程 的 困 難 不 高 土 地 剛 好 有 農 水 署 我 已 經 單 位 都 講 出 來 了 就 請 原 民 會 這 邊 積 極 來 做 溝 通 可 以 嗎 好\n\n20\n00:06:44,787 --> 00:06:45,968\n是 用 哪 一 種 的 模 式 來 做 規 劃 ?\n\n21\n00:07:12,193 --> 00:07:17,880\n我 們 跟 營 務 會 再 來 討 論 , 還 是 營 務 會 來 回 答 一 下 ? 沒 關 係 , 現 在 有 想 法 可 以 回 答 的 就 回 答 。\n\n22\n00:07:21,684 --> 00:07:42,872\n報 告 委 員 就 是 我 們 跟 桃 園 市 政 府 包 括 原 民 局 跟 都 發 的 單 位 那 我 們 現 在 這 個 案 也 正 在 做 討 論 然 後 可 能 在 三 個 月 內 一 定 提 出 那 當 然 剛 才 向 委 員 提 到 的 就 是 說 讓 員 工 的 福 利 極 大 化 我 覺 得 能 夠 有 員 工 宿 舍 的 方 案 是 最 好\n\n23\n00:07:43,704 --> 00:08:11,916\n當 然 在 之 前 因 為 我 們 原 文 會 是 財 團 法 人 我 們 並 沒 有 那 麼 強 的 行 政 的 協 調 的 角 度 跟 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