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具\n\n25\n00:07:51,934 --> 00:08:20,385\n要 怎 麼 樣 ? 你 跟 我 們 所 有 的 這 個 教 育 工 作 者 說 一 下 你 要 怎 麼 處 理 ? 我 們 會 比 照 這 個 教 育 部 的 夜 光 天 使 的 計 畫 追 溯 到 今 年 的 1 月 1 號 來 這 個 符 合 最 低 的 這 個 基 本 薪 資 最 低 工 資 是 多 少 ? 最 低 工 資 我 們 是 用 中 點 費 來 計 算 是 1 8 3 元 對 嘛 這 是 老 委 會 公 布 的 嘛 那 你 現 在 工 資 是 多 少 ? 大 概 1 6 7 元 左 右 好 差 了 多 少 ?\n\n26\n00:08:21,118 --> 00:08:21,918\n主 委 , 我 還 要 在 這 邊 交 代 您\n\n27\n00:08:44,840 --> 00:09:13,172\n有 幾 件 事 情 你 一 定 要 做 第 一 個 事 情 呢 就 是 希 望 未 來 我 們 審 預 算 的 時 候 每 一 個 預 算 別 都 要 清 楚 知 道 你 們 要 做 些 什 麼 可 以 嗎 好 可 以 齁 可 以 緊 接 著 就 馬 上 要 審 你 的 預 算 了 你 的 預 算 科 目 績 效 指 標 預 期 達 到 的 效 應 這 些 相 關 的 事 項 都 要 很 清 楚 的 告 訴 我 可 以 嗎 可 以 你 講 可 以 喔 我 可 以 我 可 以 要 求 可 以 要 求 齁 好 那 什 麼 時 候 會 給 我 們\n\n28\n00:09:20,851 --> 00:09:42,018\n來 回 答 一 下 我 們 按 照 規 定 到 這 個 每 年 的 8 月 3 1 號 會 送 立 法 院 那 我 們 到 時 候 這 個 預 算 是 送 達 的 時 候 我 們 再 請 相 關 的 補 充 說 明 再 提 供 給 委 員 做 參 考 那 大 概 什 麼 時 候 主 委 清 不 清 楚 知 道 我 們 就 馬 上 要 審 預 算 了 知 道 知 道 嗎 那 原 民 會 的 預 算 有 多 少\n\n29\n00:09:49,198 --> 00:10:06,863\n應 該 是 1 1 1 公 務 預 算 請 問 一 下 原 民 會 你 上 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席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2792\t23291\t謝謝主席,我們有請主委。主委恭喜你喔。你心裡準備好了嗎?做主委這個位置。準備好了。好,那準備好了,可是呢,今天,你知道主委應該要做什麼事情嗎?\n23291\t25273\t原民會的業務是什麼嗎?你們簡單說明一下。\n27899\t45230\t嚴密會的業務主要就是對我們整個原住民的政策的一個擬定,然後就是把這個經會來合理地分配到縣市甚至於鄉還有到我們的部落去,這個是\n47911\t62858\t最重要的一個業務職長特別是對原住民的政策相關的很多政策必須要跟大家來討論之後由原民會來整整合整個意見提出來那知道立法院有兩個會期現在這個會期是什麼下個會期是什麼\n68983\t95973\t現在是法案的會期下個會期應該就是預算的會期所以很重要一個是法案一個是預算對不對對好講法案好了你知道賴總統對原住民的政見有什麼嗎他對原住民的政見總括來講有七個哪七個有七個就是說希望趕快就是說對這個平譜的這個認定齁能夠趕快趕快來做認定齁那還有就是這個\n97911\t109218\t開放參與落實共管原住民的一些資源,哪有希望開放還有參與落實共管自然的資源。第一個政見是回應平埔正名運動長期以來的盼望。\n119704\t139437\t二、深化原住民自治。第三、培立部落開放參與落實原住民共管、自然資源、守護土地。第四、強化原住民健康服務。第五、雙軌制建立原住民教育體系為台灣教育增添多元性與創新能量。\n141518\t159057\t第六個就是完善都市原住民族的公共服務還有居住權的保障跟參政的管道嘛。第七個就是培育原住民族外交文化體育等多面的人才將原住民族的故事推向國際有七個很清楚對不對?好那請問這七個你應該怎麼落實?\n160450\t187615\t這七個第一個來講就是比較擠的就是那個南島語系的這個取得原住民的身份因為這個是憲法已經判決了那我們希望在期限內那你知道平埔族的人數有多少人嗎大約是這個98萬多啦好那這98萬裡面呢未來會面臨到什麼問題如果他們的身份別已經被認定的話你知道會有面臨什麼問題嗎\n190034\t201038\t最重要是他們的語言還有他們的文化都流失得很快啊。 不僅僅這個喔。 原民會主委要做的事情要盤點非常多的事情你知道嗎?\n201038\t208241\t是。 是。 譬如說你們列舉一下會影響到現在既有的什麼?\n208241\t211163\t預算的部分也會影響到啦。 好那你應該怎麼爭取預算?\n212830\t234398\t九十八萬人口的話那應該跟行政院主計處主計總處怎麼樣爭取預算你有沒有想過然後未來他的社會福利和教育輔助你想過嗎還有最重要的是土地的問題如果按照傳統領域的話要怎麼樣增化邊緣寶地\n240137\t260644\t所以你告訴我你在今天的第一大項就是說你希望在這個9月底把法律草案函報行政院審查11月底要通過行政院會函送大院來審議你連這麼多幾個簡單的大項都不知道請問你要怎麼樣送啊\n262165\t270136\t我會在很快的時間很快是多久你已經告訴我們啦跟會裡面跟會裡面會裡面的誰會裡面的誰處裡面處裡面的誰處就是我們這個負責的中規處這裡中規處\n279264\t293738\t還有最重要的是還要跟地方政府還要跟這個鄉所以三個月之內你可以解決嗎?可以提出來嗎?所以朱惠美在這邊建議你喔以後在這邊回答問題要小心喔因為你在這邊回答的問題都會列入公報\n294659\t308837\t然後列入公報之後會依照這個公報委員在這邊再追問你很多問題啊因為我自己本身在這邊22年了齁雖然是你口中的很長的立委應該休息了但是呢我要提醒您\n310038\t338857\t在這邊有非常多的問題原民的問題需要你要一肩扛起來啊我真的有點擔心欸因為剛剛有非常多的委員問到你非常多的問題你都沒有辦法具體的回答我都不知道您在你的業務範圍之內不僅僅是在原民會喔你還要跟其他的會其他的部會要橫向聯繫耶你看到沒有今天我在這邊安排了幾個重要有幾個部會來你知道嗎\n341869\t347557\t十三十三個到十四個部會對所以這幾個部會你都有去拜訪過嗎你都有告訴他你這個總統賴總統的七大政見嗎\n355970\t380522\t主委你沒有準備好所以今天我們也不曉得該怎麼詢問您因為本席是原住民立法委員我不太願意在這邊讓我們自己的原住民的族人為難也不願意讓我們族人看到主委您在這邊出糗所以我有很多問題問不下去但是有幾個問題齁我還要請其他出來報告一下\n381902\t385225\t第一個就是我們的老委會教文處教文處請您上來一下您知道我們現在教文處我們有非常多的課後輔導的老師他們在這個基本工資還不達到老委會在今年核定的工資費用你看到了嗎我給你公文了沒有你們的回應是什麼\n411977\t418504\t原民會你們公然違法耶老委會已經說每小時的基本工資是183塊現在請問一下我們的這個輔導員的工作津貼現在是多少錢\n425610\t438077\t你們根本沒有依照勞委會在1月1號今年公布的實行調整。你們照理說應該馬上就要來調整。你們給我公文是什麼?主委這要不要處理一下?什麼時候處理?是等你簽合嗎?還是怎麼樣?\n453547\t453887\t高金素梅等22人擬具\n471934\t500385\t要怎麼樣?你跟我們所有的這個教育工作者說一下你要怎麼處理?我們會比照這個教育部的夜光天使的計畫追溯到今年的1月1號來這個符合最低的這個基本薪資最低工資是多少?最低工資我們是用中點費來計算是183元對嘛這是老委會公布的嘛那你現在工資是多少?大概167元左右好差了多少?\n501118\t501918\t主委,我還要在這邊交代您\n524840\t553172\t有幾件事情你一定要做第一個事情呢就是希望未來我們審預算的時候每一個預算別都要清楚知道你們要做些什麼可以嗎好可以齁可以緊接著就馬上要審你的預算了你的預算科目績效指標預期達到的效應這些相關的事項都要很清楚的告訴我可以嗎可以你講可以喔我可以我可以要求可以要求齁好那什麼時候會給我們\n560851\t582018\t來回答一下我們按照規定到這個每年的8月31號會送立法院那我們到時候這個預算是送達的時候我們再請相關的補充說明再提供給委員做參考那大概什麼時候主委清不清楚知道我們就馬上要審預算了知道知道嗎那原民會的預算有多少\n589198\t606863\t應該是111公務預算請問一下原民會你上任之前有沒有跟我們原民會的各處來討論一下你們的業務有那為什麼今天你回答都回答不出來\n610142\t616967\t細節部分還沒有到幾個方向的確定請問一下原民會裡面有幾個處六個局處那六個局處的處長你都跟他們詢詢過都詢問過未來要衍接的業務範圍嗎有做檢要的報告了做檢要的報告今天也要來做業務說明\n638430\t667322\t主委請你加油努力好不好好吧我只有說加油努力啦期望你趕快趕上進度不過我很擔心就是說未來原民會的業務到底能不能夠無縫接軌行政上面會不會順暢這個都是你要去做的我們都不談賴總統的七大政見只是行政業務的順暢銜接可能你都要花很多的時間來努力了\n667903\t668063\t主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們有請主委。主委恭喜你喔。你心裡準備好了嗎?做主委這個位置。準備好了。好,那準備好了,可是呢,今天,你知道主委應該要做什麼事情嗎?\n原民會的業務是什麼嗎?你們簡單說明一下。\n嚴密會的業務主要就是對我們整個原住民的政策的一個擬定,然後就是把這個經會來合理地分配到縣市甚至於鄉還有到我們的部落去,這個是\n最重要的一個業務職長特別是對原住民的政策相關的很多政策必須要跟大家來討論之後由原民會來整整合整個意見提出來那知道立法院有兩個會期現在這個會期是什麼下個會期是什麼\n現在是法案的會期下個會期應該就是預算的會期所以很重要一個是法案一個是預算對不對對好講法案好了你知道賴總統對原住民的政見有什麼嗎他對原住民的政見總括來講有七個哪七個有七個就是說希望趕快就是說對這個平譜的這個認定齁能夠趕快趕快來做認定齁那還有就是這個\n開放參與落實共管原住民的一些資源,哪有希望開放還有參與落實共管自然的資源。第一個政見是回應平埔正名運動長期以來的盼望。\n二、深化原住民自治。第三、培立部落開放參與落實原住民共管、自然資源、守護土地。第四、強化原住民健康服務。第五、雙軌制建立原住民教育體系為台灣教育增添多元性與創新能量。\n第六個就是完善都市原住民族的公共服務還有居住權的保障跟參政的管道嘛。第七個就是培育原住民族外交文化體育等多面的人才將原住民族的故事推向國際有七個很清楚對不對?好那請問這七個你應該怎麼落實?\n這七個第一個來講就是比較擠的就是那個南島語系的這個取得原住民的身份因為這個是憲法已經判決了那我們希望在期限內那你知道平埔族的人數有多少人嗎大約是這個98萬多啦好那這98萬裡面呢未來會面臨到什麼問題如果他們的身份別已經被認定的話你知道會有面臨什麼問題嗎\n最重要是他們的語言還有他們的文化都流失得很快啊。 不僅僅這個喔。 原民會主委要做的事情要盤點非常多的事情你知道嗎?\n是。 是。 譬如說你們列舉一下會影響到現在既有的什麼?\n預算的部分也會影響到啦。 好那你應該怎麼爭取預算?\n九十八萬人口的話那應該跟行政院主計處主計總處怎麼樣爭取預算你有沒有想過然後未來他的社會福利和教育輔助你想過嗎還有最重要的是土地的問題如果按照傳統領域的話要怎麼樣增化邊緣寶地\n所以你告訴我你在今天的第一大項就是說你希望在這個9月底把法律草案函報行政院審查11月底要通過行政院會函送大院來審議你連這麼多幾個簡單的大項都不知道請問你要怎麼樣送啊\n我會在很快的時間很快是多久你已經告訴我們啦跟會裡面跟會裡面會裡面的誰會裡面的誰處裡面處裡面的誰處就是我們這個負責的中規處這裡中規處\n還有最重要的是還要跟地方政府還要跟這個鄉所以三個月之內你可以解決嗎?可以提出來嗎?所以朱惠美在這邊建議你喔以後在這邊回答問題要小心喔因為你在這邊回答的問題都會列入公報\n然後列入公報之後會依照這個公報委員在這邊再追問你很多問題啊因為我自己本身在這邊22年了齁雖然是你口中的很長的立委應該休息了但是呢我要提醒您\n在這邊有非常多的問題原民的問題需要你要一肩扛起來啊我真的有點擔心欸因為剛剛有非常多的委員問到你非常多的問題你都沒有辦法具體的回答我都不知道您在你的業務範圍之內不僅僅是在原民會喔你還要跟其他的會其他的部會要橫向聯繫耶你看到沒有今天我在這邊安排了幾個重要有幾個部會來你知道嗎\n十三十三個到十四個部會對所以這幾個部會你都有去拜訪過嗎你都有告訴他你這個總統賴總統的七大政見嗎\n主委你沒有準備好所以今天我們也不曉得該怎麼詢問您因為本席是原住民立法委員我不太願意在這邊讓我們自己的原住民的族人為難也不願意讓我們族人看到主委您在這邊出糗所以我有很多問題問不下去但是有幾個問題齁我還要請其他出來報告一下\n第一個就是我們的老委會教文處教文處請您上來一下您知道我們現在教文處我們有非常多的課後輔導的老師他們在這個基本工資還不達到老委會在今年核定的工資費用你看到了嗎我給你公文了沒有你們的回應是什麼\n原民會你們公然違法耶老委會已經說每小時的基本工資是183塊現在請問一下我們的這個輔導員的工作津貼現在是多少錢\n你們根本沒有依照勞委會在1月1號今年公布的實行調整。你們照理說應該馬上就要來調整。你們給我公文是什麼?主委這要不要處理一下?什麼時候處理?是等你簽合嗎?還是怎麼樣?\n高金素梅等22人擬具\n要怎麼樣?你跟我們所有的這個教育工作者說一下你要怎麼處理?我們會比照這個教育部的夜光天使的計畫追溯到今年的1月1號來這個符合最低的這個基本薪資最低工資是多少?最低工資我們是用中點費來計算是183元對嘛這是老委會公布的嘛那你現在工資是多少?大概167元左右好差了多少?\n主委,我還要在這邊交代您\n有幾件事情你一定要做第一個事情呢就是希望未來我們審預算的時候每一個預算別都要清楚知道你們要做些什麼可以嗎好可以齁可以緊接著就馬上要審你的預算了你的預算科目績效指標預期達到的效應這些相關的事項都要很清楚的告訴我可以嗎可以你講可以喔我可以我可以要求可以要求齁好那什麼時候會給我們\n來回答一下我們按照規定到這個每年的8月31號會送立法院那我們到時候這個預算是送達的時候我們再請相關的補充說明再提供給委員做參考那大概什麼時候主委清不清楚知道我們就馬上要審預算了知道知道嗎那原民會的預算有多少\n應該是111公務預算請問一下原民會你上任之前有沒有跟我們原民會的各處來討論一下你們的業務有那為什麼今天你回答都回答不出來\n細節部分還沒有到幾個方向的確定請問一下原民會裡面有幾個處六個局處那六個局處的處長你都跟他們詢詢過都詢問過未來要衍接的業務範圍嗎有做檢要的報告了做檢要的報告今天也要來做業務說明\n主委請你加油努力好不好好吧我只有說加油努力啦期望你趕快趕上進度不過我很擔心就是說未來原民會的業務到底能不能夠無縫接軌行政上面會不會順暢這個都是你要去做的我們都不談賴總統的七大政見只是行政業務的順暢銜接可能你都要花很多的時間來努力了\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.792 --> 00:23.291\n謝 謝 主 席 , 我 們 有 請 主 委 。 主 委 恭 喜 你 喔 。 你 心 裡 準 備 好 了 嗎 ? 做 主 委 這 個 位 置 。 準 備 好 了 。 好 , 那 準 備 好 了 , 可 是 呢 , 今 天 , 你 知 道 主 委 應 該 要 做 什 麼 事 情 嗎 ?\n\n00:23.291 --> 00:25.273\n原 民 會 的 業 務 是 什 麼 嗎 ? 你 們 簡 單 說 明 一 下 。\n\n00:27.899 --> 00:45.230\n嚴 密 會 的 業 務 主 要 就 是 對 我 們 整 個 原 住 民 的 政 策 的 一 個 擬 定 , 然 後 就 是 把 這 個 經 會 來 合 理 地 分 配 到 縣 市 甚 至 於 鄉 還 有 到 我 們 的 部 落 去 , 這 個 是\n\n00:47.911 --> 01:02.858\n最 重 要 的 一 個 業 務 職 長 特 別 是 對 原 住 民 的 政 策 相 關 的 很 多 政 策 必 須 要 跟 大 家 來 討 論 之 後 由 原 民 會 來 整 整 合 整 個 意 見 提 出 來 那 知 道 立 法 院 有 兩 個 會 期 現 在 這 個 會 期 是 什 麼 下 個 會 期 是 什 麼\n\n01:08.983 --> 01:35.973\n現 在 是 法 案 的 會 期 下 個 會 期 應 該 就 是 預 算 的 會 期 所 以 很 重 要 一 個 是 法 案 一 個 是 預 算 對 不 對 對 好 講 法 案 好 了 你 知 道 賴 總 統 對 原 住 民 的 政 見 有 什 麼 嗎 他 對 原 住 民 的 政 見 總 括 來 講 有 七 個 哪 七 個 有 七 個 就 是 說 希 望 趕 快 就 是 說 對 這 個 平 譜 的 這 個 認 定 齁 能 夠 趕 快 趕 快 來 做 認 定 齁 那 還 有 就 是 這 個\n\n01:37.911 --> 01:49.218\n開 放 參 與 落 實 共 管 原 住 民 的 一 些 資 源 , 哪 有 希 望 開 放 還 有 參 與 落 實 共 管 自 然 的 資 源 。 第 一 個 政 見 是 回 應 平 埔 正 名 運 動 長 期 以 來 的 盼 望 。\n\n01:59.704 --> 02:19.437\n二 、 深 化 原 住 民 自 治 。 第 三 、 培 立 部 落 開 放 參 與 落 實 原 住 民 共 管 、 自 然 資 源 、 守 護 土 地 。 第 四 、 強 化 原 住 民 健 康 服 務 。 第 五 、 雙 軌 制 建 立 原 住 民 教 育 體 系 為 台 灣 教 育 增 添 多 元 性 與 創 新 能 量 。\n\n02:21.518 --> 02:39.057\n第 六 個 就 是 完 善 都 市 原 住 民 族 的 公 共 服 務 還 有 居 住 權 的 保 障 跟 參 政 的 管 道 嘛 。 第 七 個 就 是 培 育 原 住 民 族 外 交 文 化 體 育 等 多 面 的 人 才 將 原 住 民 族 的 故 事 推 向 國 際 有 七 個 很 清 楚 對 不 對 ? 好 那 請 問 這 七 個 你 應 該 怎 麼 落 實 ?\n\n02:40.450 --> 03:07.615\n這 七 個 第 一 個 來 講 就 是 比 較 擠 的 就 是 那 個 南 島 語 系 的 這 個 取 得 原 住 民 的 身 份 因 為 這 個 是 憲 法 已 經 判 決 了 那 我 們 希 望 在 期 限 內 那 你 知 道 平 埔 族 的 人 數 有 多 少 人 嗎 大 約 是 這 個 9 8 萬 多 啦 好 那 這 9 8 萬 裡 面 呢 未 來 會 面 臨 到 什 麼 問 題 如 果 他 們 的 身 份 別 已 經 被 認 定 的 話 你 知 道 會 有 面 臨 什 麼 問 題 嗎\n\n03:10.034 --> 03:21.038\n最 重 要 是 他 們 的 語 言 還 有 他 們 的 文 化 都 流 失 得 很 快 啊 。 不 僅 僅 這 個 喔 。 原 民 會 主 委 要 做 的 事 情 要 盤 點 非 常 多 的 事 情 你 知 道 嗎 ?\n\n03:21.038 --> 03:28.241\n是 。 是 。 譬 如 說 你 們 列 舉 一 下 會 影 響 到 現 在 既 有 的 什 麼 ?\n\n03:28.241 --> 03:31.163\n預 算 的 部 分 也 會 影 響 到 啦 。 好 那 你 應 該 怎 麼 爭 取 預 算 ?\n\n03:32.830 --> 03:54.398\n九 十 八 萬 人 口 的 話 那 應 該 跟 行 政 院 主 計 處 主 計 總 處 怎 麼 樣 爭 取 預 算 你 有 沒 有 想 過 然 後 未 來 他 的 社 會 福 利 和 教 育 輔 助 你 想 過 嗎 還 有 最 重 要 的 是 土 地 的 問 題 如 果 按 照 傳 統 領 域 的 話 要 怎 麼 樣 增 化 邊 緣 寶 地\n\n04:00.137 --> 04:20.644\n所 以 你 告 訴 我 你 在 今 天 的 第 一 大 項 就 是 說 你 希 望 在 這 個 9 月 底 把 法 律 草 案 函 報 行 政 院 審 查 1 1 月 底 要 通 過 行 政 院 會 函 送 大 院 來 審 議 你 連 這 麼 多 幾 個 簡 單 的 大 項 都 不 知 道 請 問 你 要 怎 麼 樣 送 啊\n\n04:22.165 --> 04:30.136\n我 會 在 很 快 的 時 間 很 快 是 多 久 你 已 經 告 訴 我 們 啦 跟 會 裡 面 跟 會 裡 面 會 裡 面 的 誰 會 裡 面 的 誰 處 裡 面 處 裡 面 的 誰 處 就 是 我 們 這 個 負 責 的 中 規 處 這 裡 中 規 處\n\n04:39.264 --> 04:53.738\n還 有 最 重 要 的 是 還 要 跟 地 方 政 府 還 要 跟 這 個 鄉 所 以 三 個 月 之 內 你 可 以 解 決 嗎 ? 可 以 提 出 來 嗎 ? 所 以 朱 惠 美 在 這 邊 建 議 你 喔 以 後 在 這 邊 回 答 問 題 要 小 心 喔 因 為 你 在 這 邊 回 答 的 問 題 都 會 列 入 公 報\n\n04:54.659 --> 05:08.837\n然 後 列 入 公 報 之 後 會 依 照 這 個 公 報 委 員 在 這 邊 再 追 問 你 很 多 問 題 啊 因 為 我 自 己 本 身 在 這 邊 2 2 年 了 齁 雖 然 是 你 口 中 的 很 長 的 立 委 應 該 休 息 了 但 是 呢 我 要 提 醒 您\n\n05:10.038 --> 05:38.857\n在 這 邊 有 非 常 多 的 問 題 原 民 的 問 題 需 要 你 要 一 肩 扛 起 來 啊 我 真 的 有 點 擔 心 欸 因 為 剛 剛 有 非 常 多 的 委 員 問 到 你 非 常 多 的 問 題 你 都 沒 有 辦 法 具 體 的 回 答 我 都 不 知 道 您 在 你 的 業 務 範 圍 之 內 不 僅 僅 是 在 原 民 會 喔 你 還 要 跟 其 他 的 會 其 他 的 部 會 要 橫 向 聯 繫 耶 你 看 到 沒 有 今 天 我 在 這 邊 安 排 了 幾 個 重 要 有 幾 個 部 會 來 你 知 道 嗎\n\n05:41.869 --> 05:47.557\n十 三 十 三 個 到 十 四 個 部 會 對 所 以 這 幾 個 部 會 你 都 有 去 拜 訪 過 嗎 你 都 有 告 訴 他 你 這 個 總 統 賴 總 統 的 七 大 政 見 嗎\n\n05:55.970 --> 06:20.522\n主 委 你 沒 有 準 備 好 所 以 今 天 我 們 也 不 曉 得 該 怎 麼 詢 問 您 因 為 本 席 是 原 住 民 立 法 委 員 我 不 太 願 意 在 這 邊 讓 我 們 自 己 的 原 住 民 的 族 人 為 難 也 不 願 意 讓 我 們 族 人 看 到 主 委 您 在 這 邊 出 糗 所 以 我 有 很 多 問 題 問 不 下 去 但 是 有 幾 個 問 題 齁 我 還 要 請 其 他 出 來 報 告 一 下\n\n06:21.902 --> 06:25.225\n第 一 個 就 是 我 們 的 老 委 會 教 文 處 教 文 處 請 您 上 來 一 下 您 知 道 我 們 現 在 教 文 處 我 們 有 非 常 多 的 課 後 輔 導 的 老 師 他 們 在 這 個 基 本 工 資 還 不 達 到 老 委 會 在 今 年 核 定 的 工 資 費 用 你 看 到 了 嗎 我 給 你 公 文 了 沒 有 你 們 的 回 應 是 什 麼\n\n06:51.977 --> 06:58.504\n原 民 會 你 們 公 然 違 法 耶 老 委 會 已 經 說 每 小 時 的 基 本 工 資 是 1 8 3 塊 現 在 請 問 一 下 我 們 的 這 個 輔 導 員 的 工 作 津 貼 現 在 是 多 少 錢\n\n07:05.610 --> 07:18.077\n你 們 根 本 沒 有 依 照 勞 委 會 在 1 月 1 號 今 年 公 布 的 實 行 調 整 。 你 們 照 理 說 應 該 馬 上 就 要 來 調 整 。 你 們 給 我 公 文 是 什 麼 ? 主 委 這 要 不 要 處 理 一 下 ? 什 麼 時 候 處 理 ? 是 等 你 簽 合 嗎 ? 還 是 怎 麼 樣 ?\n\n07:33.547 --> 07:33.887\n高 金 素 梅 等 2 2 人 擬 具\n\n07:51.934 --> 08:20.385\n要 怎 麼 樣 ? 你 跟 我 們 所 有 的 這 個 教 育 工 作 者 說 一 下 你 要 怎 麼 處 理 ? 我 們 會 比 照 這 個 教 育 部 的 夜 光 天 使 的 計 畫 追 溯 到 今 年 的 1 月 1 號 來 這 個 符 合 最 低 的 這 個 基 本 薪 資 最 低 工 資 是 多 少 ? 最 低 工 資 我 們 是 用 中 點 費 來 計 算 是 1 8 3 元 對 嘛 這 是 老 委 會 公 布 的 嘛 那 你 現 在 工 資 是 多 少 ? 大 概 1 6 7 元 左 右 好 差 了 多 少 ?\n\n08:21.118 --> 08:21.918\n主 委 , 我 還 要 在 這 邊 交 代 您\n\n08:44.840 --> 09:13.172\n有 幾 件 事 情 你 一 定 要 做 第 一 個 事 情 呢 就 是 希 望 未 來 我 們 審 預 算 的 時 候 每 一 個 預 算 別 都 要 清 楚 知 道 你 們 要 做 些 什 麼 可 以 嗎 好 可 以 齁 可 以 緊 接 著 就 馬 上 要 審 你 的 預 算 了 你 的 預 算 科 目 績 效 指 標 預 期 達 到 的 效 應 這 些 相 關 的 事 項 都 要 很 清 楚 的 告 訴 我 可 以 嗎 可 以 你 講 可 以 喔 我 可 以 我 可 以 要 求 可 以 要 求 齁 好 那 什 麼 時 候 會 給 我 們\n\n09:20.851 --> 09:42.018\n來 回 答 一 下 我 們 按 照 規 定 到 這 個 每 年 的 8 月 3 1 號 會 送 立 法 院 那 我 們 到 時 候 這 個 預 算 是 送 達 的 時 候 我 們 再 請 相 關 的 補 充 說 明 再 提 供 給 委 員 做 參 考 那 大 概 什 麼 時 候 主 委 清 不 清 楚 知 道 我 們 就 馬 上 要 審 預 算 了 知 道 知 道 嗎 那 原 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