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哲平\n113601\t128881\t目前是我們有在5月份通報行政院那我們用通報單通告行政院現在在核定中那核定之後我們就會進行預告社會各界就可以針對我們預告的內容提出建議\n130194\t132696\t行政院合定之後我們會盡快來辦理因為我們現在在講這些不管這些修法我們都應該回到兩個重點就是說畢竟他們是少年\n149411\t150712\t因為我知道他們現在好像放風的時間也都有所限制嘛\n168124\t185558\t這部分一定要在這個草案裡面去做草案跟實施上面都要去做一些修正再來第二個部分還是要以教育為處遇的核心這部分就是說雖然現在是有教育部來邀請相關部會來成立少年矯正教育及輔導小組可是跟現在無實質功能的\n186539\t186559\t是﹗\n203240\t226262\t那再來就是說我之前就有來追蹤有關於這個敦品中學的一個處置的一個策進行為的報告但是我發現所有的問題都在講學生學生長期依附偏差同才接觸幫派次文化具有衝動急躁性格施以告誡勞動服務之懲罰然後但是施以多數感化教育學生並無實質影響\n228264\t229946\t我們是請那個矯正署的周組長那將近是非常多耶 比例非常高耶\n258643\t259784\t我們有三級的輔導機制所以這個部分我們會在二級輔導這個地方特別來著力加強\n287287\t314285\t那我想知道我們這些特教生有得到相關的特教資源嗎?在裡面嗎?護導教師跟新設人員以外包括說我們有聘主代理教師等等這個部分我們都會來努力好 特教資源我們可以再詳細討論剛好因為你講到了代理教師我想就直接跳到這一題 剛好\n315646\t340263\t我們現在正式老師有116人然後我們缺額55人我們用代理教師來處理的方式有將近八成可是代理教師其實是一年一聘我想要強調一個重點學生要跟大人建立一個關係才有可能去處理學生遇到的一些問題老師也才能夠真正的掌握學生的狀況才有可能去處理這些問題現在我們衍生的這些問題所以現在因為我們一年一聘的狀況根本沒有辦法培養信任\n345988\t361344\t所以這個如何讓正式的老師可以進來以及如何讓特教的這些孩子們可以得到相關的資源我希望可以跟教育部一起來討論是不是可以引用教育部的IEP的方式來協助這些孩子那這些我們可不可以在會後約個時間來做一些討論\n364551\t392504\t報告委員我們少角校的學科教師、輔導教師跟特教教師他是共用這個言語的那因為少角校的學生跟一般學校學生不一樣他大部分是家庭有問題的所以他的人數的進出是不是還有不定期性不是一般學校因此我們要保有一些彈性的切合但是我們聘用的這些代理教師都是合格的教師\n393484\t413151\t所以這個是沒有問題只是是說我們在輔導教室還缺5位新設人員還缺18位這個部分我們會去努力再來爭取好因為關於這個我覺得我們可以再約個時間啦詳細討論第一個是代理教師的部分一年一聘這個問題你到底如何讓他持續的留在這邊這是一個很大的問題因為穩定性不高\n413951\t427803\t我想您一定非常同意嘛沒有穩定的老師如何會有穩定的學生這是一定非常肯定的一件事情第二件事情是說我們到底這一些老師要如何讓他招募足薪資待遇是不是一個問題這我想都要詳細的做討論\n430837\t458062\t一般來講新進的老師大概五萬多啦但如果研究所學歷大概可以達到五萬八那個是指新進比較之前的那是對但是為什麼還是去找不到人嗎對吧所以是不是還有其他的對沒錯是對所以你都說到了重點嘛好但因為我時間已經到了所以我們再約時間來詳細討論好不好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請法務部次長麻煩徐次長徐次長委員好\n市長早安我今天想要討論兩個問題一個就是有關於我們現在有關於少年矯正學校的處遇實施條例以及少年關戶所處遇實施條例的一個進度就是在2017年我們的國事會議裡面就已經有提到說矯正機關要立刻進行遇證改革之修法包含了監獄刑刑法修正草案、羈押法修正草案以及少年矯正機關收容處遇實施條例草案\n但是我知道到現在2024年7年過去了我們現在只有羈押法跟刑刑法都已經送進來了可是我們的少年矯正機關收容處遇實施條例到現在一直沒有送到立法院那現在也分成了兩個版本一個是少年矯正學校處遇實施條例\n這個地方好像2024今年3月已經送進來行政院了那我想要知道少年關戶所處遇實施的條例的狀況是怎麼樣呢因為民間團體一直說他們好像都還沒有被邀請來討論可不可以幫我做個說明報告委員我們近期將辦理預告一個月那預告之後呢會邀請民間團體相關部會審慎的來研議草案並送那個行政院審查這關戶所嗎在這個月內\n是嗎?是關戶所還是矯正學校處遇條約?哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平 哲平\n目前是我們有在5月份通報行政院那我們用通報單通告行政院現在在核定中那核定之後我們就會進行預告社會各界就可以針對我們預告的內容提出建議\n行政院合定之後我們會盡快來辦理因為我們現在在講這些不管這些修法我們都應該回到兩個重點就是說畢竟他們是少年\n因為我知道他們現在好像放風的時間也都有所限制嘛\n這部分一定要在這個草案裡面去做草案跟實施上面都要去做一些修正再來第二個部分還是要以教育為處遇的核心這部分就是說雖然現在是有教育部來邀請相關部會來成立少年矯正教育及輔導小組可是跟現在無實質功能的\n是﹗\n那再來就是說我之前就有來追蹤有關於這個敦品中學的一個處置的一個策進行為的報告但是我發現所有的問題都在講學生學生長期依附偏差同才接觸幫派次文化具有衝動急躁性格施以告誡勞動服務之懲罰然後但是施以多數感化教育學生並無實質影響\n我們是請那個矯正署的周組長那將近是非常多耶 比例非常高耶\n我們有三級的輔導機制所以這個部分我們會在二級輔導這個地方特別來著力加強\n那我想知道我們這些特教生有得到相關的特教資源嗎?在裡面嗎?護導教師跟新設人員以外包括說我們有聘主代理教師等等這個部分我們都會來努力好 特教資源我們可以再詳細討論剛好因為你講到了代理教師我想就直接跳到這一題 剛好\n我們現在正式老師有116人然後我們缺額55人我們用代理教師來處理的方式有將近八成可是代理教師其實是一年一聘我想要強調一個重點學生要跟大人建立一個關係才有可能去處理學生遇到的一些問題老師也才能夠真正的掌握學生的狀況才有可能去處理這些問題現在我們衍生的這些問題所以現在因為我們一年一聘的狀況根本沒有辦法培養信任\n所以這個如何讓正式的老師可以進來以及如何讓特教的這些孩子們可以得到相關的資源我希望可以跟教育部一起來討論是不是可以引用教育部的IEP的方式來協助這些孩子那這些我們可不可以在會後約個時間來做一些討論\n報告委員我們少角校的學科教師、輔導教師跟特教教師他是共用這個言語的那因為少角校的學生跟一般學校學生不一樣他大部分是家庭有問題的所以他的人數的進出是不是還有不定期性不是一般學校因此我們要保有一些彈性的切合但是我們聘用的這些代理教師都是合格的教師\n所以這個是沒有問題只是是說我們在輔導教室還缺5位新設人員還缺18位這個部分我們會去努力再來爭取好因為關於這個我覺得我們可以再約個時間啦詳細討論第一個是代理教師的部分一年一聘這個問題你到底如何讓他持續的留在這邊這是一個很大的問題因為穩定性不高\n我想您一定非常同意嘛沒有穩定的老師如何會有穩定的學生這是一定非常肯定的一件事情第二件事情是說我們到底這一些老師要如何讓他招募足薪資待遇是不是一個問題這我想都要詳細的做討論\n一般來講新進的老師大概五萬多啦但如果研究所學歷大概可以達到五萬八那個是指新進比較之前的那是對但是為什麼還是去找不到人嗎對吧所以是不是還有其他的對沒錯是對所以你都說到了重點嘛好但因為我時間已經到了所以我們再約時間來詳細討論好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.966 --> 00:19.677\n謝 謝 主 席 有 請 法 務 部 次 長 麻 煩 徐 次 長 徐 次 長 委 員 好\n\n00:20.444 --> 00:45.229\n市 長 早 安 我 今 天 想 要 討 論 兩 個 問 題 一 個 就 是 有 關 於 我 們 現 在 有 關 於 少 年 矯 正 學 校 的 處 遇 實 施 條 例 以 及 少 年 關 戶 所 處 遇 實 施 條 例 的 一 個 進 度 就 是 在 2 0 1 7 年 我 們 的 國 事 會 議 裡 面 就 已 經 有 提 到 說 矯 正 機 關 要 立 刻 進 行 遇 證 改 革 之 修 法 包 含 了 監 獄 刑 刑 法 修 正 草 案 、 羈 押 法 修 正 草 案 以 及 少 年 矯 正 機 關 收 容 處 遇 實 施 條 例 草 案\n\n00:47.329 --> 01:04.796\n但 是 我 知 道 到 現 在 2 0 2 4 年 7 年 過 去 了 我 們 現 在 只 有 羈 押 法 跟 刑 刑 法 都 已 經 送 進 來 了 可 是 我 們 的 少 年 矯 正 機 關 收 容 處 遇 實 施 條 例 到 現 在 一 直 沒 有 送 到 立 法 院 那 現 在 也 分 成 了 兩 個 版 本 一 個 是 少 年 矯 正 學 校 處 遇 實 施 條 例\n\n01:05.936 --> 01:31.971\n這 個 地 方 好 像 2 0 2 4 今 年 3 月 已 經 送 進 來 行 政 院 了 那 我 想 要 知 道 少 年 關 戶 所 處 遇 實 施 的 條 例 的 狀 況 是 怎 麼 樣 呢 因 為 民 間 團 體 一 直 說 他 們 好 像 都 還 沒 有 被 邀 請 來 討 論 可 不 可 以 幫 我 做 個 說 明 報 告 委 員 我 們 近 期 將 辦 理 預 告 一 個 月 那 預 告 之 後 呢 會 邀 請 民 間 團 體 相 關 部 會 審 慎 的 來 研 議 草 案 並 送 那 個 行 政 院 審 查 這 關 戶 所 嗎 在 這 個 月 內\n\n01:35.157 --> 01:40.984\n是 嗎 ? 是 關 戶 所 還 是 矯 正 學 校 處 遇 條 約 ? 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平 哲 平\n\n01:53.601 --> 02:08.881\n目 前 是 我 們 有 在 5 月 份 通 報 行 政 院 那 我 們 用 通 報 單 通 告 行 政 院 現 在 在 核 定 中 那 核 定 之 後 我 們 就 會 進 行 預 告 社 會 各 界 就 可 以 針 對 我 們 預 告 的 內 容 提 出 建 議\n\n02:10.194 --> 02:12.696\n行 政 院 合 定 之 後 我 們 會 盡 快 來 辦 理 因 為 我 們 現 在 在 講 這 些 不 管 這 些 修 法 我 們 都 應 該 回 到 兩 個 重 點 就 是 說 畢 竟 他 們 是 少 年\n\n02:29.411 --> 02:30.712\n因 為 我 知 道 他 們 現 在 好 像 放 風 的 時 間 也 都 有 所 限 制 嘛\n\n02:48.124 --> 03:05.558\n這 部 分 一 定 要 在 這 個 草 案 裡 面 去 做 草 案 跟 實 施 上 面 都 要 去 做 一 些 修 正 再 來 第 二 個 部 分 還 是 要 以 教 育 為 處 遇 的 核 心 這 部 分 就 是 說 雖 然 現 在 是 有 教 育 部 來 邀 請 相 關 部 會 來 成 立 少 年 矯 正 教 育 及 輔 導 小 組 可 是 跟 現 在 無 實 質 功 能 的\n\n03:06.539 --> 03:06.559\n是 ﹗\n\n03:23.240 --> 03:46.262\n那 再 來 就 是 說 我 之 前 就 有 來 追 蹤 有 關 於 這 個 敦 品 中 學 的 一 個 處 置 的 一 個 策 進 行 為 的 報 告 但 是 我 發 現 所 有 的 問 題 都 在 講 學 生 學 生 長 期 依 附 偏 差 同 才 接 觸 幫 派 次 文 化 具 有 衝 動 急 躁 性 格 施 以 告 誡 勞 動 服 務 之 懲 罰 然 後 但 是 施 以 多 數 感 化 教 育 學 生 並 無 實 質 影 響\n\n03:48.264 --> 03:49.946\n我 們 是 請 那 個 矯 正 署 的 周 組 長 那 將 近 是 非 常 多 耶 比 例 非 常 高 耶\n\n04:18.643 --> 04:19.784\n我 們 有 三 級 的 輔 導 機 制 所 以 這 個 部 分 我 們 會 在 二 級 輔 導 這 個 地 方 特 別 來 著 力 加 強\n\n04:47.287 --> 05:14.285\n那 我 想 知 道 我 們 這 些 特 教 生 有 得 到 相 關 的 特 教 資 源 嗎 ? 在 裡 面 嗎 ? 護 導 教 師 跟 新 設 人 員 以 外 包 括 說 我 們 有 聘 主 代 理 教 師 等 等 這 個 部 分 我 們 都 會 來 努 力 好 特 教 資 源 我 們 可 以 再 詳 細 討 論 剛 好 因 為 你 講 到 了 代 理 教 師 我 想 就 直 接 跳 到 這 一 題 剛 好\n\n05:15.646 --> 05:40.263\n我 們 現 在 正 式 老 師 有 1 1 6 人 然 後 我 們 缺 額 5 5 人 我 們 用 代 理 教 師 來 處 理 的 方 式 有 將 近 八 成 可 是 代 理 教 師 其 實 是 一 年 一 聘 我 想 要 強 調 一 個 重 點 學 生 要 跟 大 人 建 立 一 個 關 係 才 有 可 能 去 處 理 學 生 遇 到 的 一 些 問 題 老 師 也 才 能 夠 真 正 的 掌 握 學 生 的 狀 況 才 有 可 能 去 處 理 這 些 問 題 現 在 我 們 衍 生 的 這 些 問 題 所 以 現 在 因 為 我 們 一 年 一 聘 的 狀 況 根 本 沒 有 辦 法 培 養 信 任\n\n05:45.988 --> 06:01.344\n所 以 這 個 如 何 讓 正 式 的 老 師 可 以 進 來 以 及 如 何 讓 特 教 的 這 些 孩 子 們 可 以 得 到 相 關 的 資 源 我 希 望 可 以 跟 教 育 部 一 起 來 討 論 是 不 是 可 以 引 用 教 育 部 的 I E P 的 方 式 來 協 助 這 些 孩 子 那 這 些 我 們 可 不 可 以 在 會 後 約 個 時 間 來 做 一 些 討 論\n\n06:04.551 --> 06:32.504\n報 告 委 員 我 們 少 角 校 的 學 科 教 師 、 輔 導 教 師 跟 特 教 教 師 他 是 共 用 這 個 言 語 的 那 因 為 少 角 校 的 學 生 跟 一 般 學 校 學 生 不 一 樣 他 大 部 分 是 家 庭 有 問 題 的 所 以 他 的 人 數 的 進 出 是 不 是 還 有 不 定 期 性 不 是 一 般 學 校 因 此 我 們 要 保 有 一 些 彈 性 的 切 合 但 是 我 們 聘 用 的 這 些 代 理 教 師 都 是 合 格 的 教 師\n\n06:33.484 --> 06:53.151\n所 以 這 個 是 沒 有 問 題 只 是 是 說 我 們 在 輔 導 教 室 還 缺 5 位 新 設 人 員 還 缺 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