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個 還 是 必 須 要 跟 地 方 政 府\n\n12\n00:04:30,031 --> 00:04:33,256\n那 所 以 你 們 這 邊 之 前 有 跟 司 法 系 統 這 邊 有 討 論 過 這 個 問 題 了 嗎 ?\n\n13\n00:04:35,814 --> 00:04:39,537\n我 記 得 這 個 會 議 我 們 辦 公 室 之 前 有 跟 司 法 系 統 追 過 他 們 好 像 也 沒 有 肯 認 這 件 事 情 欸 你 們 是 不 是 應 該 要 更 積 極 告 訴 他 們 在 行 政 裁 罰 上 你 們 確 實 可 以 先 做 出 相 關 的 動 作\n\n14\n00:05:01,002 --> 00:05:28,404\n是 所 以 我 說 我 們 大 概 是 6 月 初 已 經 排 定 了 會 議 要 跟 地 方 政 府 來 就 這 個 事 情 來 做 討 論 好 也 就 是 說 我 再 幫 您 整 理 一 次 在 所 謂 一 件 事 查 詢 的 系 統 上 對 家 長 來 說 我 如 果 就 指 認 衛 福 部 C R C 這 個 網 站 當 我 要 把 我 的 小 孩 送 去 某 些 營 隊 的 時 候 我 要 確 保 這 營 隊 裡 面 的 大 人 是 不 是 有 過 去 有 加 害 於 兒 少 的 經 驗 不 管 是 性 侵 、 性 霸 凌 或 是 不 當 體 罰 對 不 對 所 以 我 到 衛 福 部 的 網 站 上 所 以 你 們 現 在 開 始 收 集 了 有 幼 教 的 資 料\n\n15\n00:05:28,844 --> 00:05:44,244\n有 教 育 部 這 邊 的 資 料 還 有 衛 福 部 在 行 政 裁 罰 上 的 資 料 可 是 在 司 法 這 段 我 們 確 實 漏 掉 了 對 吧 如 果 他 上 訴 的 時 間 是 五 年 十 年 而 這 五 年 十 年 他 還 在 民 間 繼 續 教 課 繼 續 擔 任 加 害 者 的 身 份 在 陪 在 很 多 小 孩 身 邊 我 相 信 這 是 很 多 家 長 不 樂 見 的\n\n16\n00:05:45,585 --> 00:06:09,954\n當 然 我 知 道 過 去 衛 福 部 從 來 沒 有 想 過 這 件 事 情 可 是 我 們 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主委員提到的那如果6月初才跟縣市政府開會那你們希望多久以內跟他們開完會開完會之後多久以內你們可以確定他們的相關資料是可以上報到衛福部CRC保護兒少的網站讓家長可以一鍵查詢查到這個人他正有案件在上訴當中\n244289\t269931\t是報告委員因為這個是涉及到地方執行的事項所以我們跟地方政府開會可是我們上次CRC的那個事情你們不是說有些事情你們會收回來衛福部這邊自己處理嗎是公告的這個行政的層面那我是說就認定上面因為有一些是涉及到刑事的案件它如果是在司法的程序當中那可能到底要到什麼樣的階段是地方政府可以做一個公告我想這個還是必須要跟地方政府\n270031\t273256\t那所以你們這邊之前有跟司法系統這邊有討論過這個問題了嗎?\n275814\t279537\t我記得這個會議我們辦公室之前有跟司法系統追過他們好像也沒有肯認這件事情欸你們是不是應該要更積極告訴他們在行政裁罰上你們確實可以先做出相關的動作\n301002\t328404\t是 所以我說我們大概是6月初已經排定了會議要跟地方政府來就這個事情來做討論好 也就是說我再幫您整理一次在所謂一件事查詢的系統上對家長來說我如果就指認衛福部CRC這個網站當我要把我的小孩送去某些營隊的時候我要確保這營隊裡面的大人是不是有過去有加害於兒少的經驗不管是性侵、性霸凌或是不當體罰 對不對所以我到衛福部的網站上所以你們現在開始收集了有幼教的資料\n328844\t344244\t有教育部這邊的資料還有衛福部在行政裁罰上的資料可是在司法這段我們確實漏掉了對吧如果他上訴的時間是五年十年而這五年十年他還在民間繼續教課繼續擔任加害者的身份在陪在很多小孩身邊我相信這是很多家長不樂見的\n345585\t369954\t當然我知道過去衛福部從來沒有想過這件事情可是我們就民間觀點來看今天我的時間就全部放在這個題目上所以我們之後會積極的要求衛福部跟司法或是教育系統這邊甚至跟各縣市政府在這件事情上必須要積極把這個資料補齊起來那如果還在不斷不斷上訴期間到底要做到什麼階段公告到什麼階段他可以公告我覺得這個事情大家要有一個共識好不好好 謝謝衛福部 謝謝主席 謝謝\n","txt":"我沒意見啊,你們要對調我沒有意見啊\n那我們先請衛福部保護司請保護司\n林市長,我就快速跟衛福部討論一下我們辦公室一直在關心對於很多家長來說孩子們會被送到各式各樣的學習機構去不管是所謂的補習班、夏令營、冬令營或者是很多學校的社團課程甚至是學校的校隊\n我們一直在問說\n只要是違反相關兒少全法的公佈姓名相關的時效性必須要保持所以我們從學校端這邊我們之前做了解決我們司委也開了記者會但是我現在要問跟司法這邊有關的只要是相關的大人他的案件還在上訴的期限當中但是衛福部這邊如果沒有快速追蹤到相關加害人的姓名於是他就不會被公佈出來在CRC的網站對不對\n目前是這樣那可是我們看到以各個縣市政府他們其實有一些縣市政府是有積極的作為例如說新北市跆拳道教練當時有個呂教練他性侵學員在今年1月司法一審被判29年但是這個人5月提出上訴可是在5月提出上訴之前3月的時候新北市政府就自己先立刻做出行政處分把這個姓名公佈在CRC的網站\n也就是說只要縣市政府有所作為只要衛福部有所作為相關加害者的姓名他就算還在司法上述期當中他應該都要先及時公佈這個部分衛福部我想要知道你們的態度是什麼目前主委也無言講了就是地方政府的執行上面有一些落差那我們其實近期也會再找地方政府針對這個部分來檢討\n除了之前我剛剛提到的教育部之外目前在這個司法階段這些加害者拜託你們也要積極那這個部分多久以內可以有相關的報告給我們辦公室\n因為我們是預計大概6月會找地方政府來開會6月才要開會喔所以在這6月之前很多這種加害者他還在不斷不斷上訴過程當中可是孩子們已經要被送去夏令營了現在很多家長都在報夏令營了我們根本就不知道這些夏令營當中有沒有隱藏這些加害者然後他甚至是在上訴期間當中家長根本不知道欸你真的確定要到6月嗎我們之前這個題目已經跟你們講很久了我不是今天第一天提欸\n是 那我想我們會盡快召開這個會議目前我們本來表定是6月初啦那這個委員 主委員提到的那如果6月初才跟縣市政府開會那你們希望多久以內跟他們開完會開完會之後多久以內你們可以確定他們的相關資料是可以上報到衛福部CRC保護兒少的網站讓家長可以一鍵查詢查到這個人他正有案件在上訴當中\n是報告委員因為這個是涉及到地方執行的事項所以我們跟地方政府開會可是我們上次CRC的那個事情你們不是說有些事情你們會收回來衛福部這邊自己處理嗎是公告的這個行政的層面那我是說就認定上面因為有一些是涉及到刑事的案件它如果是在司法的程序當中那可能到底要到什麼樣的階段是地方政府可以做一個公告我想這個還是必須要跟地方政府\n那所以你們這邊之前有跟司法系統這邊有討論過這個問題了嗎?\n我記得這個會議我們辦公室之前有跟司法系統追過他們好像也沒有肯認這件事情欸你們是不是應該要更積極告訴他們在行政裁罰上你們確實可以先做出相關的動作\n是 所以我說我們大概是6月初已經排定了會議要跟地方政府來就這個事情來做討論好 也就是說我再幫您整理一次在所謂一件事查詢的系統上對家長來說我如果就指認衛福部CRC這個網站當我要把我的小孩送去某些營隊的時候我要確保這營隊裡面的大人是不是有過去有加害於兒少的經驗不管是性侵、性霸凌或是不當體罰 對不對所以我到衛福部的網站上所以你們現在開始收集了有幼教的資料\n有教育部這邊的資料還有衛福部在行政裁罰上的資料可是在司法這段我們確實漏掉了對吧如果他上訴的時間是五年十年而這五年十年他還在民間繼續教課繼續擔任加害者的身份在陪在很多小孩身邊我相信這是很多家長不樂見的\n當然我知道過去衛福部從來沒有想過這件事情可是我們就民間觀點來看今天我的時間就全部放在這個題目上所以我們之後會積極的要求衛福部跟司法或是教育系統這邊甚至跟各縣市政府在這件事情上必須要積極把這個資料補齊起來那如果還在不斷不斷上訴期間到底要做到什麼階段公告到什麼階段他可以公告我覺得這個事情大家要有一個共識好不好好 謝謝衛福部 謝謝主席 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.341 --> 00:18.562\n我 沒 意 見 啊 , 你 們 要 對 調 我 沒 有 意 見 啊\n\n00:43.255 --> 00:46.078\n那 我 們 先 請 衛 福 部 保 護 司 請 保 護 司\n\n01:15.295 --> 01:31.095\n林 市 長 , 我 就 快 速 跟 衛 福 部 討 論 一 下 我 們 辦 公 室 一 直 在 關 心 對 於 很 多 家 長 來 說 孩 子 們 會 被 送 到 各 式 各 樣 的 學 習 機 構 去 不 管 是 所 謂 的 補 習 班 、 夏 令 營 、 冬 令 營 或 者 是 很 多 學 校 的 社 團 課 程 甚 至 是 學 校 的 校 隊\n\n01:32.236 --> 01:32.597\n我 們 一 直 在 問 說\n\n01:48.337 --> 02:11.443\n只 要 是 違 反 相 關 兒 少 全 法 的 公 佈 姓 名 相 關 的 時 效 性 必 須 要 保 持 所 以 我 們 從 學 校 端 這 邊 我 們 之 前 做 了 解 決 我 們 司 委 也 開 了 記 者 會 但 是 我 現 在 要 問 跟 司 法 這 邊 有 關 的 只 要 是 相 關 的 大 人 他 的 案 件 還 在 上 訴 的 期 限 當 中 但 是 衛 福 部 這 邊 如 果 沒 有 快 速 追 蹤 到 相 關 加 害 人 的 姓 名 於 是 他 就 不 會 被 公 佈 出 來 在 C R C 的 網 站 對 不 對\n\n02:11.903 --> 02:36.479\n目 前 是 這 樣 那 可 是 我 們 看 到 以 各 個 縣 市 政 府 他 們 其 實 有 一 些 縣 市 政 府 是 有 積 極 的 作 為 例 如 說 新 北 市 跆 拳 道 教 練 當 時 有 個 呂 教 練 他 性 侵 學 員 在 今 年 1 月 司 法 一 審 被 判 2 9 年 但 是 這 個 人 5 月 提 出 上 訴 可 是 在 5 月 提 出 上 訴 之 前 3 月 的 時 候 新 北 市 政 府 就 自 己 先 立 刻 做 出 行 政 處 分 把 這 個 姓 名 公 佈 在 C R C 的 網 站\n\n02:37.179 --> 02:56.856\n也 就 是 說 只 要 縣 市 政 府 有 所 作 為 只 要 衛 福 部 有 所 作 為 相 關 加 害 者 的 姓 名 他 就 算 還 在 司 法 上 述 期 當 中 他 應 該 都 要 先 及 時 公 佈 這 個 部 分 衛 福 部 我 想 要 知 道 你 們 的 態 度 是 什 麼 目 前 主 委 也 無 言 講 了 就 是 地 方 政 府 的 執 行 上 面 有 一 些 落 差 那 我 們 其 實 近 期 也 會 再 找 地 方 政 府 針 對 這 個 部 分 來 檢 討\n\n02:59.179 --> 03:08.109\n除 了 之 前 我 剛 剛 提 到 的 教 育 部 之 外 目 前 在 這 個 司 法 階 段 這 些 加 害 者 拜 託 你 們 也 要 積 極 那 這 個 部 分 多 久 以 內 可 以 有 相 關 的 報 告 給 我 們 辦 公 室\n\n03:10.697 --> 03:38.389\n因 為 我 們 是 預 計 大 概 6 月 會 找 地 方 政 府 來 開 會 6 月 才 要 開 會 喔 所 以 在 這 6 月 之 前 很 多 這 種 加 害 者 他 還 在 不 斷 不 斷 上 訴 過 程 當 中 可 是 孩 子 們 已 經 要 被 送 去 夏 令 營 了 現 在 很 多 家 長 都 在 報 夏 令 營 了 我 們 根 本 就 不 知 道 這 些 夏 令 營 當 中 有 沒 有 隱 藏 這 些 加 害 者 然 後 他 甚 至 是 在 上 訴 期 間 當 中 家 長 根 本 不 知 道 欸 你 真 的 確 定 要 到 6 月 嗎 我 們 之 前 這 個 題 目 已 經 跟 你 們 講 很 久 了 我 不 是 今 天 第 一 天 提 欸\n\n03:39.489 --> 04:02.952\n是 那 我 想 我 們 會 盡 快 召 開 這 個 會 議 目 前 我 們 本 來 表 定 是 6 月 初 啦 那 這 個 委 員 主 委 員 提 到 的 那 如 果 6 月 初 才 跟 縣 市 政 府 開 會 那 你 們 希 望 多 久 以 內 跟 他 們 開 完 會 開 完 會 之 後 多 久 以 內 你 們 可 以 確 定 他 們 的 相 關 資 料 是 可 以 上 報 到 衛 福 部 C R C 保 護 兒 少 的 網 站 讓 家 長 可 以 一 鍵 查 詢 查 到 這 個 人 他 正 有 案 件 在 上 訴 當 中\n\n04:04.289 --> 04:29.931\n是 報 告 委 員 因 為 這 個 是 涉 及 到 地 方 執 行 的 事 項 所 以 我 們 跟 地 方 政 府 開 會 可 是 我 們 上 次 C R C 的 那 個 事 情 你 們 不 是 說 有 些 事 情 你 們 會 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對不對所以我到衛福部的網站上所以你們現在開始收集了有幼教的資料"},{"start":328.844,"end":344.244,"text":"有教育部這邊的資料還有衛福部在行政裁罰上的資料可是在司法這段我們確實漏掉了對吧如果他上訴的時間是五年十年而這五年十年他還在民間繼續教課繼續擔任加害者的身份在陪在很多小孩身邊我相信這是很多家長不樂見的"},{"start":345.585,"end":369.954,"text":"當然我知道過去衛福部從來沒有想過這件事情可是我們就民間觀點來看今天我的時間就全部放在這個題目上所以我們之後會積極的要求衛福部跟司法或是教育系統這邊甚至跟各縣市政府在這件事情上必須要積極把這個資料補齊起來那如果還在不斷不斷上訴期間到底要做到什麼階段公告到什麼階段他可以公告我覺得這個事情大家要有一個共識好不好好 謝謝衛福部 謝謝主席 謝謝"}]}}}}