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的 進 程 因 為 去 年 是 第 一 次 評 鑑 相 信 還 有 很 多 業 者 和 民 眾 對 這 項 評 鑑 都 感 到 陌 生 能 不 能 請 主 委 簡 單 介 紹 一 下 這 項 評 鑑 的 內 容 以 及 希 望 達 成 的 目 標\n\n8\n00:02:42,493 --> 00:03:04,711\n當 然 我 們 已 經 有 了 交 易 所 的 做 了 其 實 成 效 蠻 好 的 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 當 然 我 們 針 對 永 續 金 融 的 部 分 我 們 就 委 請 三 個 單 位 做 這 個 永 續 金 融 的 評 鑑 那 初 步 第 一 年 確 實 我 們 就 只 銀 行 、 證 券 、 保 險 大 概 五 十 幾 個 單 位 接 受 評 鑑 那 我 想 這 部 分 我 們 未 來 當 然 是\n\n9\n00:03:06,032 --> 00:03:08,233\n第 二 種 是 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 現 行 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 都 是 參 考\n\n10\n00:03:30,188 --> 00:03:46,434\n公 司 治 理 原 則 分 為 四 大 構 面 包 括 維 護 股 東 權 益 、 平 等 對 待 股 東 強 化 董 事 會 結 構 與 運 作 提 升 資 訊 透 明 度 推 動 永 續 發 展 等 近 年 來 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 持 續 增 加\n\n11\n00:03:48,547 --> 00:04:06,249\n推 動 永 續 發 展 、 構 面 指 標 內 容 及 權 重 為 進 一 步 鑑 別 上 市 櫃 公 司 與 E S G 各 方 面 的 表 現 徵 交 所 也 依 上 市 櫃 公 司 永 續 發 展 行 動 方 案 的 規 劃 以 目 前 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 架 構 為 基 礎\n\n12\n00:04:08,651 --> 00:04:17,597\n參 考 相 關 國 際 標 準 以 及 其 他 推 動 環 境 及 社 會 面 向 的 趨 勢 逐 步 來 增 加 環 境 社 會 構 面 指 標 及 權 重 , 預 計 1 1 5 年 轉 型 為 E S G 評 鑑 。\n\n13\n00:04:26,062 --> 00:04:46,226\n三 方 面 的 表 現 去 評 估 企 業 的 永 續 發 展 面 向 不 同 的 評 鑑 機 構 會 出 現 不 同 的 一 個 評 分 的 標 準 跟 方 法 評 分 標 準 依 機 構 不 同 而 有 所 差 異 到 現 在 沒 有 一 套 說 一 致 性 的 標 準 所 以 我 要 請 教 金 管 會 企 業\n\n14\n00:04:48,507 --> 00:04:48,527\n顏 寬 恒 議 員\n\n15\n00:05:05,346 --> 00:05:19,116\n所 以 大 家 都 會 選 擇 對 於 自 己 比 較 厲 害 的 部 分 來 進 行 評 比 我 要 請 教 金 管 會 什 麼 時 間 金 管 會 會 不 會 制 定 一 套 屬 於 金 管 會 自 己 的 標 準 來 提 供 給 企 業 做 參 考 跟 落 實\n\n16\n00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:24,931\n交 易 所 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 逐 步 轉 為 E S G 評 鑑 每 年 會 召 開 委 員 會\n\n17\n00:05:48,281 --> 00:06:02,334\n這 委 員 會 裡 邊 產 官 學 都 有 這 個 相 關 的 標 準 制 定 好 了 以 後 我 們 會 對 外 面 去 公 布 公 布 以 後 我 們 還 會 開 課 程 就 是 宣 導 會 宣 導 會 裡 邊 對 這 個 條 文 的 解 釋 還 有 對 這 個 實 務 案 例 怎 麼 去 得 分\n\n18\n00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:38,648\n那 我 們 都 宣 導 完 了 以 後 我 們 交 給 這 個 獨 立 客 觀 的 基 金 會 他 們 去 做 評 比 那 過 程 當 中 呢 公 司 如 果 對 這 個 回 答 以 後 覺 得 沒 有 得 分 的 話 他 們 會 自 評 那 沒 有 得 分 的 話 他 們 還 可 以 打 電 話 跟 這 個 基 金 會 去 討 論 說 我 怎 麼 樣 為 什 麼 沒 有 得 分 所 以 我 們 的 這 個 整 個 制 度 是 蠻 齊 全 的 就 是 說 規 定 訂 出 來 然 後 還 給 外 面 公 告 然 後\n\n19\n00:06:38,988 --> 00:06:39,008\n顏 寬 恒 議 員\n\n20\n00:06:58,563 --> 00:07:22,990\n請 獨 立 客 觀 的 基 金 會 來 做 一 個 輔 導 是 不 是 這 樣 子 就 剛 剛 也 有 跟 其 他 委 員 報 告 過 我 們 現 階 段 是 由 我 們 的 周 邊 單 位 來 辦 像 以 交 易 所 為 例 它 已 經 辦 了 1 0 年 其 實 對 市 場 的 那 個 影 響 已 經 看 到 了 再 來 剛 才 至 於 說 未 來 我 們 要 不 要 有 政 府 來 主 辦 的 這 樣 的 E S G 評 鑑 剛 剛 我 們 也 稍 微 看 一 下 世 界 各 國 現 在 大 部 分 都 是 民 間 的 團 體 來 做 這 樣 的 評 鑑 當 然 也 有\n\n21\n00:07:25,131 --> 00:07:27,072\n綠 色 金 融 產 品 有 一 項 是 永 續 連 結 貸 款 永 續 連 結 貸 款 是 一 種 跟 借 款 人 的 永 續 發 展 目 標 相 關 連 的 貸 款 產 品\n\n22\n00:07:44,625 --> 00:08:07,659\n資 金 不 受 限 制 的 永 續 連 結 貸 款 只 需 要 金 融 機 構 與 要 借 錢 的 企 業 達 成 共 識 就 可 以 自 由 運 用 基 金 金 融 機 構 也 可 以 根 據 這 段 時 間 內 去 衡 量 企 業 達 成 指 標 的 成 效 來 調 整 借 貸 的 利 率 我 想 請 教 金 管 會 在 借 貸 的 過 程 當 中 如 何 避 免 企 業 去 做 一 個\n\n23\n00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:31,182\n表 率 的 發 聲 表 率 就 是 說 綠 色 公 關 和 綠 色 行 銷 的 手 段 上 他 去 做 這 樣 子 的 當 一 家 公 司 或 者 是 單 位 把 資 源 跟 預 算 投 入 在 環 保 相 關 的 形 象 公 關 活 動 而 不 是 把 真 正 的 資 金 投 入 到 實 際 上 需 要 的 永 續 行 動 當 中 這 就 是 一 個 表 率 的 行 為\n\n24\n00:08:33,584 --> 00:08:55,834\n以 臺 灣 的 情 況 來 講 目 前 各 銀 行 的 利 率 都 不 算 高 那 要 怎 麼 透 過 這 些 獎 勵 的 一 個 減 碼 可 能 也 沒 有 辦 法 減 太 多 啦 剛 剛 很 多 委 員 也 是 反 對 減 碼 那 這 樣 子 要 如 何 使 企 業 願 意 以 永 續 連 結 貸 款 來 進 行 借 貸 的 誘 因 誘 因 是 什 麼 還 有 其 他 方 法 嗎\n\n25\n00:08:57,165 --> 00:09:11,432\n我 想 現 階 段 剛 剛 也 有 請 各 個 各 個 行 庫 來 做 說 明 就 是 說 我 們 現 在 的 永 續 連 結 的 貸 款 當 然 是 我 們 希 望 這 筆 錢 的 運 用 是 在 跟 永 續 相 關 所 以 我 們 才 會 給 予 在 貸 放 利 率 上 面 的 優 惠\n\n26\n00:09:13,713 --> 00:09:38,370\n這 也 是 列 為 貸 放 契 約 的 一 部 分 那 我 想 說 這 部 分 剛 剛 委 員 有 指 正 說 怎 麼 樣 防 止 這 個 民 不 服 食 這 件 事 情 我 想 各 個 銀 行 都 有 他 自 己 的 管 制 機 制 那 這 部 分 的 話 因 為 貸 放 這 個 本 來 就 是 一 個 很 專 業 的 問 題 但 是 我 們 提 出 這 個 現 階 段 還 是 以 鼓 勵 為 主 但 是 至 於 說 各 個 契 約 他 們 各 個 銀 行 應 該 有 自 己 很 就 有 自 己 的 管 控 措 施 來 達 到 這 個 目 的 好\n\n27\n00:09:42,732 --> 00:10:05,027\n各 國 因 氣 候 變 遷 、 淨 零 排 碳 的 目 標 , 所 以 分 辨 採 取 相 關 政 策 設 定 淨 零 排 碳 目 標 , 在 2 0 5 0 年 前 實 現 。 當 然 , 臺 灣 也 不 例 外 , 我 國 在 推 動 綠 色 金 融 方 面 也 面 臨 到 許 多 挑 戰 , 包 括 溫 室 氣 體 盤 查 的 資 訊 還 不 夠 充 足 , 綠 色 以 及 永 續 的 概 念 未 明 確 化 ,\n\n28\n00:10:05,968 --> 00:10:30,486\n以 及 永 續 金 融 人 才 不 足 等 問 題 剛 剛 其 他 委 員 也 分 別 都 有 提 到 那 要 如 何 持 續 的 推 動 綠 色 金 融 以 及 永 續 發 展 並 與 國 際 接 軌 的 我 們 還 有 很 長 一 段 路 要 走 那 所 以 我 們 一 定 要 給 予 企 業 一 個 最 大 的 支 持 一 起 努 力 好 不 好 這 我 們 會 朝 這 方 向 努 力 謝 謝 謝 謝 委 員 委 員 的 質 詢 接 著 我 們 請 賴 會 委 員 質 詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t2494\t主席我想請先請財政部莊部長請莊部長\n9076\t36282\t委員好部長早部長今天跟明天就是最後報稅的日期截至27日統計有超過553萬件已經完成申報但是以去年總申報件數是663萬件來預估還有超過110萬件沒有完成申報部長有沒有掌握目前報稅的進度\n39582\t50833\t財政委員報告到5月29日為止已經申報的有631萬件大概佔了全數的95%那目前還沒有完成申報的是32萬戶大概佔5%\n55117\t79738\t631號,5月29號各地區第一線的稅務委員都還在加班所以這件事情算是非常的辛苦請部長持續來掌握進度是的,我想第一個目前來說用網路報稅的也蠻多的那也有到現場去的那我們第一線同仁都會盡力的做服務讓我們的報稅人能夠覺得更便捷謝謝委員的關心\n84721\t105214\t主席再請金管會彭主委主委好本席上任的永續金融網的網站去瀏覽在永續相關的評鑑上主要分為兩大評鑑第一種是永續金融評鑑\n107352\t132425\t那為了要提升金融業主動因應氣候變遷還有相關風險及實踐ESG的能力那引導消費者、投資人及實體產業共同重視永續發展那今晚會聯合營訓院、政經會、保發中心一起對銀行、證券商還有保險公司進行永續金融評鑑\n133846\t160387\t永續金融評鑑的指標包括永續發展綜合指標、環境支柱、社會支柱、公司治理支柱參考國際標準還有國內金融業發展的進程因為去年是第一次評鑑相信還有很多業者和民眾對這項評鑑都感到陌生能不能請主委簡單介紹一下這項評鑑的內容以及希望達成的目標\n162493\t184711\t當然我們已經有了交易所的做了其實成效蠻好的公司治理評鑑當然我們針對永續金融的部分我們就委請三個單位做這個永續金融的評鑑那初步第一年確實我們就只銀行、證券、保險大概五十幾個單位接受評鑑那我想這部分我們未來當然是\n186032\t188233\t第二種是公司治理評鑑現行公司治理評鑑都是參考\n210188\t226434\t公司治理原則分為四大構面包括維護股東權益、平等對待股東強化董事會結構與運作提升資訊透明度推動永續發展等近年來公司治理評鑑持續增加\n228547\t246249\t推動永續發展、構面指標內容及權重為進一步鑑別上市櫃公司與ESG各方面的表現徵交所也依上市櫃公司永續發展行動方案的規劃以目前公司治理評鑑架構為基礎\n248651\t257597\t參考相關國際標準以及其他推動環境及社會面向的趨勢逐步來增加環境社會構面指標及權重,預計115年轉型為ESG評鑑。\n266062\t286226\t三方面的表現去評估企業的永續發展面向不同的評鑑機構會出現不同的一個評分的標準跟方法評分標準依機構不同而有所差異到現在沒有一套說一致性的標準所以我要請教金管會企業\n288507\t288527\t顏寬恒議員\n305346\t319116\t所以大家都會選擇對於自己比較厲害的部分來進行評比我要請教金管會什麼時間金管會會不會制定一套屬於金管會自己的標準來提供給企業做參考跟落實\n321950\t324931\t交易所公司治理評鑑逐步轉為ESG評鑑每年會召開委員會\n348281\t362334\t這委員會裡邊產官學都有這個相關的標準制定好了以後我們會對外面去公布公布以後我們還會開課程就是宣導會宣導會裡邊對這個條文的解釋還有對這個實務案例怎麼去得分\n369420\t398648\t那我們都宣導完了以後我們交給這個獨立客觀的基金會他們去做評比那過程當中呢公司如果對這個回答以後覺得沒有得分的話他們會自評那沒有得分的話他們還可以打電話跟這個基金會去討論說我怎麼樣為什麼沒有得分所以我們的這個整個制度是蠻齊全的就是說規定訂出來然後還給外面公告然後\n398988\t399008\t顏寬恒議員\n418563\t442990\t請獨立客觀的基金會來做一個輔導是不是這樣子就剛剛也有跟其他委員報告過我們現階段是由我們的周邊單位來辦像以交易所為例它已經辦了10年其實對市場的那個影響已經看到了再來剛才至於說未來我們要不要有政府來主辦的這樣的ESG評鑑剛剛我們也稍微看一下世界各國現在大部分都是民間的團體來做這樣的評鑑當然也有\n445131\t447072\t綠色金融產品有一項是永續連結貸款永續連結貸款是一種跟借款人的永續發展目標相關連的貸款產品\n464625\t487659\t資金不受限制的永續連結貸款只需要金融機構與要借錢的企業達成共識就可以自由運用基金金融機構也可以根據這段時間內去衡量企業達成指標的成效來調整借貸的利率我想請教金管會在借貸的過程當中如何避免企業去做一個\n488940\t511182\t表率的發聲表率就是說綠色公關和綠色行銷的手段上他去做這樣子的當一家公司或者是單位把資源跟預算投入在環保相關的形象公關活動而不是把真正的資金投入到實際上需要的永續行動當中這就是一個表率的行為\n513584\t535834\t以臺灣的情況來講目前各銀行的利率都不算高那要怎麼透過這些獎勵的一個減碼可能也沒有辦法減太多啦剛剛很多委員也是反對減碼那這樣子要如何使企業願意以永續連結貸款來進行借貸的誘因誘因是什麼還有其他方法嗎\n537165\t551432\t我想現階段剛剛也有請各個各個行庫來做說明就是說我們現在的永續連結的貸款當然是我們希望這筆錢的運用是在跟永續相關所以我們才會給予在貸放利率上面的優惠\n553713\t578370\t這也是列為貸放契約的一部分那我想說這部分剛剛委員有指正說怎麼樣防止這個民不服食這件事情我想各個銀行都有他自己的管制機制那這部分的話因為貸放這個本來就是一個很專業的問題但是我們提出這個現階段還是以鼓勵為主但是至於說各個契約他們各個銀行應該有自己很就有自己的管控措施來達到這個目的好\n582732\t605027\t各國因氣候變遷、淨零排碳的目標,所以分辨採取相關政策設定淨零排碳目標,在2050年前實現。當然,臺灣也不例外,我國在推動綠色金融方面也面臨到許多挑戰,包括溫室氣體盤查的資訊還不夠充足,綠色以及永續的概念未明確化,\n605968\t630486\t以及永續金融人才不足等問題剛剛其他委員也分別都有提到那要如何持續的推動綠色金融以及永續發展並與國際接軌的我們還有很長一段路要走那所以我們一定要給予企業一個最大的支持一起努力好不好這我們會朝這方向努力謝謝謝謝委員委員的質詢接著我們請賴會委員質詢\n641527\t641664\t響鐘\n","txt":"主席我想請先請財政部莊部長請莊部長\n委員好部長早部長今天跟明天就是最後報稅的日期截至27日統計有超過553萬件已經完成申報但是以去年總申報件數是663萬件來預估還有超過110萬件沒有完成申報部長有沒有掌握目前報稅的進度\n財政委員報告到5月29日為止已經申報的有631萬件大概佔了全數的95%那目前還沒有完成申報的是32萬戶大概佔5%\n631號,5月29號各地區第一線的稅務委員都還在加班所以這件事情算是非常的辛苦請部長持續來掌握進度是的,我想第一個目前來說用網路報稅的也蠻多的那也有到現場去的那我們第一線同仁都會盡力的做服務讓我們的報稅人能夠覺得更便捷謝謝委員的關心\n主席再請金管會彭主委主委好本席上任的永續金融網的網站去瀏覽在永續相關的評鑑上主要分為兩大評鑑第一種是永續金融評鑑\n那為了要提升金融業主動因應氣候變遷還有相關風險及實踐ESG的能力那引導消費者、投資人及實體產業共同重視永續發展那今晚會聯合營訓院、政經會、保發中心一起對銀行、證券商還有保險公司進行永續金融評鑑\n永續金融評鑑的指標包括永續發展綜合指標、環境支柱、社會支柱、公司治理支柱參考國際標準還有國內金融業發展的進程因為去年是第一次評鑑相信還有很多業者和民眾對這項評鑑都感到陌生能不能請主委簡單介紹一下這項評鑑的內容以及希望達成的目標\n當然我們已經有了交易所的做了其實成效蠻好的公司治理評鑑當然我們針對永續金融的部分我們就委請三個單位做這個永續金融的評鑑那初步第一年確實我們就只銀行、證券、保險大概五十幾個單位接受評鑑那我想這部分我們未來當然是\n第二種是公司治理評鑑現行公司治理評鑑都是參考\n公司治理原則分為四大構面包括維護股東權益、平等對待股東強化董事會結構與運作提升資訊透明度推動永續發展等近年來公司治理評鑑持續增加\n推動永續發展、構面指標內容及權重為進一步鑑別上市櫃公司與ESG各方面的表現徵交所也依上市櫃公司永續發展行動方案的規劃以目前公司治理評鑑架構為基礎\n參考相關國際標準以及其他推動環境及社會面向的趨勢逐步來增加環境社會構面指標及權重,預計115年轉型為ESG評鑑。\n三方面的表現去評估企業的永續發展面向不同的評鑑機構會出現不同的一個評分的標準跟方法評分標準依機構不同而有所差異到現在沒有一套說一致性的標準所以我要請教金管會企業\n顏寬恒議員\n所以大家都會選擇對於自己比較厲害的部分來進行評比我要請教金管會什麼時間金管會會不會制定一套屬於金管會自己的標準來提供給企業做參考跟落實\n交易所公司治理評鑑逐步轉為ESG評鑑每年會召開委員會\n這委員會裡邊產官學都有這個相關的標準制定好了以後我們會對外面去公布公布以後我們還會開課程就是宣導會宣導會裡邊對這個條文的解釋還有對這個實務案例怎麼去得分\n那我們都宣導完了以後我們交給這個獨立客觀的基金會他們去做評比那過程當中呢公司如果對這個回答以後覺得沒有得分的話他們會自評那沒有得分的話他們還可以打電話跟這個基金會去討論說我怎麼樣為什麼沒有得分所以我們的這個整個制度是蠻齊全的就是說規定訂出來然後還給外面公告然後\n顏寬恒議員\n請獨立客觀的基金會來做一個輔導是不是這樣子就剛剛也有跟其他委員報告過我們現階段是由我們的周邊單位來辦像以交易所為例它已經辦了10年其實對市場的那個影響已經看到了再來剛才至於說未來我們要不要有政府來主辦的這樣的ESG評鑑剛剛我們也稍微看一下世界各國現在大部分都是民間的團體來做這樣的評鑑當然也有\n綠色金融產品有一項是永續連結貸款永續連結貸款是一種跟借款人的永續發展目標相關連的貸款產品\n資金不受限制的永續連結貸款只需要金融機構與要借錢的企業達成共識就可以自由運用基金金融機構也可以根據這段時間內去衡量企業達成指標的成效來調整借貸的利率我想請教金管會在借貸的過程當中如何避免企業去做一個\n表率的發聲表率就是說綠色公關和綠色行銷的手段上他去做這樣子的當一家公司或者是單位把資源跟預算投入在環保相關的形象公關活動而不是把真正的資金投入到實際上需要的永續行動當中這就是一個表率的行為\n以臺灣的情況來講目前各銀行的利率都不算高那要怎麼透過這些獎勵的一個減碼可能也沒有辦法減太多啦剛剛很多委員也是反對減碼那這樣子要如何使企業願意以永續連結貸款來進行借貸的誘因誘因是什麼還有其他方法嗎\n我想現階段剛剛也有請各個各個行庫來做說明就是說我們現在的永續連結的貸款當然是我們希望這筆錢的運用是在跟永續相關所以我們才會給予在貸放利率上面的優惠\n這也是列為貸放契約的一部分那我想說這部分剛剛委員有指正說怎麼樣防止這個民不服食這件事情我想各個銀行都有他自己的管制機制那這部分的話因為貸放這個本來就是一個很專業的問題但是我們提出這個現階段還是以鼓勵為主但是至於說各個契約他們各個銀行應該有自己很就有自己的管控措施來達到這個目的好\n各國因氣候變遷、淨零排碳的目標,所以分辨採取相關政策設定淨零排碳目標,在2050年前實現。當然,臺灣也不例外,我國在推動綠色金融方面也面臨到許多挑戰,包括溫室氣體盤查的資訊還不夠充足,綠色以及永續的概念未明確化,\n以及永續金融人才不足等問題剛剛其他委員也分別都有提到那要如何持續的推動綠色金融以及永續發展並與國際接軌的我們還有很長一段路要走那所以我們一定要給予企業一個最大的支持一起努力好不好這我們會朝這方向努力謝謝謝謝委員委員的質詢接著我們請賴會委員質詢\n響鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:02.494\n主 席 我 想 請 先 請 財 政 部 莊 部 長 請 莊 部 長\n\n00:09.076 --> 00:36.282\n委 員 好 部 長 早 部 長 今 天 跟 明 天 就 是 最 後 報 稅 的 日 期 截 至 2 7 日 統 計 有 超 過 5 5 3 萬 件 已 經 完 成 申 報 但 是 以 去 年 總 申 報 件 數 是 6 6 3 萬 件 來 預 估 還 有 超 過 1 1 0 萬 件 沒 有 完 成 申 報 部 長 有 沒 有 掌 握 目 前 報 稅 的 進 度\n\n00:39.582 --> 00:50.833\n財 政 委 員 報 告 到 5 月 2 9 日 為 止 已 經 申 報 的 有 6 3 1 萬 件 大 概 佔 了 全 數 的 9 5 % 那 目 前 還 沒 有 完 成 申 報 的 是 3 2 萬 戶 大 概 佔 5 %\n\n00:55.117 --> 01:19.738\n6 3 1 號 , 5 月 2 9 號 各 地 區 第 一 線 的 稅 務 委 員 都 還 在 加 班 所 以 這 件 事 情 算 是 非 常 的 辛 苦 請 部 長 持 續 來 掌 握 進 度 是 的 , 我 想 第 一 個 目 前 來 說 用 網 路 報 稅 的 也 蠻 多 的 那 也 有 到 現 場 去 的 那 我 們 第 一 線 同 仁 都 會 盡 力 的 做 服 務 讓 我 們 的 報 稅 人 能 夠 覺 得 更 便 捷 謝 謝 委 員 的 關 心\n\n01:24.721 --> 01:45.214\n主 席 再 請 金 管 會 彭 主 委 主 委 好 本 席 上 任 的 永 續 金 融 網 的 網 站 去 瀏 覽 在 永 續 相 關 的 評 鑑 上 主 要 分 為 兩 大 評 鑑 第 一 種 是 永 續 金 融 評 鑑\n\n01:47.352 --> 02:12.425\n那 為 了 要 提 升 金 融 業 主 動 因 應 氣 候 變 遷 還 有 相 關 風 險 及 實 踐 E S G 的 能 力 那 引 導 消 費 者 、 投 資 人 及 實 體 產 業 共 同 重 視 永 續 發 展 那 今 晚 會 聯 合 營 訓 院 、 政 經 會 、 保 發 中 心 一 起 對 銀 行 、 證 券 商 還 有 保 險 公 司 進 行 永 續 金 融 評 鑑\n\n02:13.846 --> 02:40.387\n永 續 金 融 評 鑑 的 指 標 包 括 永 續 發 展 綜 合 指 標 、 環 境 支 柱 、 社 會 支 柱 、 公 司 治 理 支 柱 參 考 國 際 標 準 還 有 國 內 金 融 業 發 展 的 進 程 因 為 去 年 是 第 一 次 評 鑑 相 信 還 有 很 多 業 者 和 民 眾 對 這 項 評 鑑 都 感 到 陌 生 能 不 能 請 主 委 簡 單 介 紹 一 下 這 項 評 鑑 的 內 容 以 及 希 望 達 成 的 目 標\n\n02:42.493 --> 03:04.711\n當 然 我 們 已 經 有 了 交 易 所 的 做 了 其 實 成 效 蠻 好 的 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 當 然 我 們 針 對 永 續 金 融 的 部 分 我 們 就 委 請 三 個 單 位 做 這 個 永 續 金 融 的 評 鑑 那 初 步 第 一 年 確 實 我 們 就 只 銀 行 、 證 券 、 保 險 大 概 五 十 幾 個 單 位 接 受 評 鑑 那 我 想 這 部 分 我 們 未 來 當 然 是\n\n03:06.032 --> 03:08.233\n第 二 種 是 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 現 行 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 都 是 參 考\n\n03:30.188 --> 03:46.434\n公 司 治 理 原 則 分 為 四 大 構 面 包 括 維 護 股 東 權 益 、 平 等 對 待 股 東 強 化 董 事 會 結 構 與 運 作 提 升 資 訊 透 明 度 推 動 永 續 發 展 等 近 年 來 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 持 續 增 加\n\n03:48.547 --> 04:06.249\n推 動 永 續 發 展 、 構 面 指 標 內 容 及 權 重 為 進 一 步 鑑 別 上 市 櫃 公 司 與 E S G 各 方 面 的 表 現 徵 交 所 也 依 上 市 櫃 公 司 永 續 發 展 行 動 方 案 的 規 劃 以 目 前 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 架 構 為 基 礎\n\n04:08.651 --> 04:17.597\n參 考 相 關 國 際 標 準 以 及 其 他 推 動 環 境 及 社 會 面 向 的 趨 勢 逐 步 來 增 加 環 境 社 會 構 面 指 標 及 權 重 , 預 計 1 1 5 年 轉 型 為 E S G 評 鑑 。\n\n04:26.062 --> 04:46.226\n三 方 面 的 表 現 去 評 估 企 業 的 永 續 發 展 面 向 不 同 的 評 鑑 機 構 會 出 現 不 同 的 一 個 評 分 的 標 準 跟 方 法 評 分 標 準 依 機 構 不 同 而 有 所 差 異 到 現 在 沒 有 一 套 說 一 致 性 的 標 準 所 以 我 要 請 教 金 管 會 企 業\n\n04:48.507 --> 04:48.527\n顏 寬 恒 議 員\n\n05:05.346 --> 05:19.116\n所 以 大 家 都 會 選 擇 對 於 自 己 比 較 厲 害 的 部 分 來 進 行 評 比 我 要 請 教 金 管 會 什 麼 時 間 金 管 會 會 不 會 制 定 一 套 屬 於 金 管 會 自 己 的 標 準 來 提 供 給 企 業 做 參 考 跟 落 實\n\n05:21.950 --> 05:24.931\n交 易 所 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 逐 步 轉 為 E S G 評 鑑 每 年 會 召 開 委 員 會\n\n05:48.281 --> 06:02.334\n這 委 員 會 裡 邊 產 官 學 都 有 這 個 相 關 的 標 準 制 定 好 了 以 後 我 們 會 對 外 面 去 公 布 公 布 以 後 我 們 還 會 開 課 程 就 是 宣 導 會 宣 導 會 裡 邊 對 這 個 條 文 的 解 釋 還 有 對 這 個 實 務 案 例 怎 麼 去 得 分\n\n06:09.420 --> 06:38.648\n那 我 們 都 宣 導 完 了 以 後 我 們 交 給 這 個 獨 立 客 觀 的 基 金 會 他 們 去 做 評 比 那 過 程 當 中 呢 公 司 如 果 對 這 個 回 答 以 後 覺 得 沒 有 得 分 的 話 他 們 會 自 評 那 沒 有 得 分 的 話 他 們 還 可 以 打 電 話 跟 這 個 基 金 會 去 討 論 說 我 怎 麼 樣 為 什 麼 沒 有 得 分 所 以 我 們 的 這 個 整 個 制 度 是 蠻 齊 全 的 就 是 說 規 定 訂 出 來 然 後 還 給 外 面 公 告 然 後\n\n06:38.988 --> 06:39.008\n顏 寬 恒 議 員\n\n06:58.563 --> 07:22.990\n請 獨 立 客 觀 的 基 金 會 來 做 一 個 輔 導 是 不 是 這 樣 子 就 剛 剛 也 有 跟 其 他 委 員 報 告 過 我 們 現 階 段 是 由 我 們 的 周 邊 單 位 來 辦 像 以 交 易 所 為 例 它 已 經 辦 了 1 0 年 其 實 對 市 場 的 那 個 影 響 已 經 看 到 了 再 來 剛 才 至 於 說 未 來 我 們 要 不 要 有 政 府 來 主 辦 的 這 樣 的 E S G 評 鑑 剛 剛 我 們 也 稍 微 看 一 下 世 界 各 國 現 在 大 部 分 都 是 民 間 的 團 體 來 做 這 樣 的 評 鑑 當 然 也 有\n\n07:25.131 --> 07:27.072\n綠 色 金 融 產 品 有 一 項 是 永 續 連 結 貸 款 永 續 連 結 貸 款 是 一 種 跟 借 款 人 的 永 續 發 展 目 標 相 關 連 的 貸 款 產 品\n\n07:44.625 --> 08:07.659\n資 金 不 受 限 制 的 永 續 連 結 貸 款 只 需 要 金 融 機 構 與 要 借 錢 的 企 業 達 成 共 識 就 可 以 自 由 運 用 基 金 金 融 機 構 也 可 以 根 據 這 段 時 間 內 去 衡 量 企 業 達 成 指 標 的 成 效 來 調 整 借 貸 的 利 率 我 想 請 教 金 管 會 在 借 貸 的 過 程 當 中 如 何 避 免 企 業 去 做 一 個\n\n08:08.940 --> 08:31.182\n表 率 的 發 聲 表 率 就 是 說 綠 色 公 關 和 綠 色 行 銷 的 手 段 上 他 去 做 這 樣 子 的 當 一 家 公 司 或 者 是 單 位 把 資 源 跟 預 算 投 入 在 環 保 相 關 的 形 象 公 關 活 動 而 不 是 把 真 正 的 資 金 投 入 到 實 際 上 需 要 的 永 續 行 動 當 中 這 就 是 一 個 表 率 的 行 為\n\n08:33.584 --> 08:55.834\n以 臺 灣 的 情 況 來 講 目 前 各 銀 行 的 利 率 都 不 算 高 那 要 怎 麼 透 過 這 些 獎 勵 的 一 個 減 碼 可 能 也 沒 有 辦 法 減 太 多 啦 剛 剛 很 多 委 員 也 是 反 對 減 碼 那 這 樣 子 要 如 何 使 企 業 願 意 以 永 續 連 結 貸 款 來 進 行 借 貸 的 誘 因 誘 因 是 什 麼 還 有 其 他 方 法 嗎\n\n08:57.165 --> 09:11.432\n我 想 現 階 段 剛 剛 也 有 請 各 個 各 個 行 庫 來 做 說 明 就 是 說 我 們 現 在 的 永 續 連 結 的 貸 款 當 然 是 我 們 希 望 這 筆 錢 的 運 用 是 在 跟 永 續 相 關 所 以 我 們 才 會 給 予 在 貸 放 利 率 上 面 的 優 惠\n\n09:13.713 --> 09:38.370\n這 也 是 列 為 貸 放 契 約 的 一 部 分 那 我 想 說 這 部 分 剛 剛 委 員 有 指 正 說 怎 麼 樣 防 止 這 個 民 不 服 食 這 件 事 情 我 想 各 個 銀 行 都 有 他 自 己 的 管 制 機 制 那 這 部 分 的 話 因 為 貸 放 這 個 本 來 就 是 一 個 很 專 業 的 問 題 但 是 我 們 提 出 這 個 現 階 段 還 是 以 鼓 勵 為 主 但 是 至 於 說 各 個 契 約 他 們 各 個 銀 行 應 該 有 自 己 很 就 有 自 己 的 管 控 措 施 來 達 到 這 個 目 的 好\n\n09:42.732 --> 10:05.027\n各 國 因 氣 候 變 遷 、 淨 零 排 碳 的 目 標 , 所 以 分 辨 採 取 相 關 政 策 設 定 淨 零 排 碳 目 標 , 在 2 0 5 0 年 前 實 現 。 當 然 , 臺 灣 也 不 例 外 , 我 國 在 推 動 綠 色 金 融 方 面 也 面 臨 到 許 多 挑 戰 , 包 括 溫 室 氣 體 盤 查 的 資 訊 還 不 夠 充 足 , 綠 色 以 及 永 續 的 概 念 未 明 確 化 ,\n\n10:05.968 --> 10:30.486\n以 及 永 續 金 融 人 才 不 足 等 問 題 剛 剛 其 他 委 員 也 分 別 都 有 提 到 那 要 如 何 持 續 的 推 動 綠 色 金 融 以 及 永 續 發 展 並 與 國 際 接 軌 的 我 們 還 有 很 長 一 段 路 要 走 那 所 以 我 們 一 定 要 給 予 企 業 一 個 最 大 的 支 持 一 起 努 力 好 不 好 這 我 們 會 朝 這 方 向 努 力 謝 謝 謝 謝 委 員 委 員 的 質 詢 接 著 我 們 請 賴 會 委 員 質 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