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Tahovecahe委員：我舉個例子，之前有一些都會，像新北市的三鶯，他們是歷史成因，幾十年前就在那邊居住，但是土地不是他們私人的，可是也有所謂333，就是三分之一自己承擔、三分之一政府負擔、三分之一銀行幫忙。今年3月高雄市也有拉瓦克部落的拆遷，陳其邁市長也很棒，他直接說原住民是臺灣土地的主人，從優安置，也給予333的安置。屏東八八風災後這一些安居在永久屋的族人，有一些並沒有辦法取得房屋，因為是1比1，所以他們希望釋出一些空地，讓他們自己蓋。如果原民會願意提供信用保證，我們能不能比照我剛才談的那些其他國家，它們的永續金融中心，像紐西蘭有協助原住民自立建屋，因為現在政府已經提供基礎建設的經費，縣政府也釋出土地讓他們使用，現在要面臨貸款，今天應該很多銀行都有來，我想當著財政部長的面問一下，請問在座的公股銀行，你們有沒有人願意主動承接貸款業務？有沒有，舉個手。部長，你看沒有耶！有沒有獎勵措施？有沒有誘因？"],["主席：部長……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：有了嗎？臺灣銀行！謝謝臺灣銀行，感謝您。"],["主席：呂董請。"],["呂董事長桔誠：我想我們一定很樂意做，但是一定要條件具備完整。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：可以放長嗎？他們最期待的是放長年限，減輕每個月負擔，可以嗎？"],["呂董事長桔誠：不要緊，這可以討論。"],["主席：伍委員，這個沒有辦法具體回復，請他們會後跟你具體回復。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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金 融 架 構 設 計 跟 服 務 的 包 容 性\n\n5\n00:01:28,146 --> 00:01:48,724\n有 鼓 勵 金 融 機 構 讓 原 住 民 更 容 易 獲 得 銀 行 的 服 務 ． 有 強 化 對 原 住 民 有 益 且 適 當 的 保 險 產 品 ． 並 且 在 投 資 者 的 淨 值 調 查 過 程 中 ． 有 尊 重 原 住 民 的 權 利 、 知 情 同 意 ．\n\n6\n00:01:49,705 --> 00:02:10,077\n在 紐 西 蘭 的 土 地 跟 我 們 目 前 台 灣 原 住 民 土 地 是 一 樣 的 他 有 限 制 所 以 難 以 做 擔 保 品 所 以 他 們 就 辦 理 計 畫 跟 銀 行 合 作 支 持 開 發 針 對 這 一 些 原 住 民 土 地 貸 款 的 解 決 方 案\n\n7\n00:02:11,161 --> 00:02:36,271\n在 加 拿 大 他 們 也 是 加 強 原 住 民 族 在 永 續 金 融 的 參 與 其 中 提 到 綠 色 與 轉 型 的 金 融 他 們 對 於 不 造 成 重 大 損 害 評 估 的 時 候 有 包 含 尊 重 原 住 民 權 利 和 和 解 那 反 觀 我 們 提 出 的 綠 色 金 融 行 動 方 案 3 . 0 好 像\n\n8\n00:02:37,071 --> 00:03:06,409\n沒 有 辦 法 看 到 這 些 有 關 原 住 民 族 參 與 跟 支 持 的 機 制 更 遑 論 去 考 量 綠 色 融 資 對 象 影 響 原 住 民 權 益 的 情 形 所 以 呢 我 在 跟 主 委 報 告 的 時 候 就 是 說 過 去 可 能 沒 有 人 關 注 沒 有 人 提 醒 那 我 們 現 在 關 注 現 在 提 醒 所 以 我 請 金 管 會 要 聯 同 原 民 會\n\n9\n00:03:07,129 --> 00:03:33,188\n去 參 考 澳 洲 、 加 拿 大 、 紐 西 蘭 這 些 國 家 在 永 續 金 融 架 構 中 納 入 尊 重 原 住 民 族 權 利 的 具 體 措 施 來 修 改 綠 色 金 融 行 動 方 案 並 在 三 個 月 內 提 出 那 我 要 跟 主 委 您 說 我 要 謝 謝 因 為 還 沒 有 到 三 個 月 我 已 經 收 到 金 管 會 的 回 函 了\n\n10\n00:03:33,968 --> 00:03:53,201\n那 麼 有 提 到 第 一 堅 固 原 住 民 保 留 地 發 展 及 維 護 生 物 多 樣 性 第 二 鼓 勵 銀 行 協 助 原 住 民 取 得 資 金 第 三 研 議 原 住 民 保 留 地 設 定 擔 保 的 可 行 性 協 調 銀 行 積 極 配 合 辦 理 政 策 性 貸 款 第 四\n\n11\n00:03:53,681 --> 00:04:17,773\n提 升 多 元 族 群 權 益 的 目 標 ． 納 入 永 續 金 融 評 鑑 指 標 ． 第 五 協 力 金 融 教 育 推 動 小 組 提 升 原 住 民 族 群 的 金 融 教 育 推 廣 好 那 我 要 請 教 一 下 主 委 您 看 過 這 個 回 覆 的 內 容 了 嗎 這 個 內 容 是 應 該 是 我 昨 天 還 前 天 我 一 個 字 一 個 字 看 完 才 記 得\n\n12\n00:04:18,593 --> 00:04:21,396\n同 仁 們 針 對 委 員 所 提 的 各 種 的 訴 求 他 們 都 有 想 盡 辦 法 去 回 應 比 如 說 他 對 於 這 個 元 寶 地 的 貸 款\n\n13\n00:04:36,334 --> 00:05:01,499\n他 們 也 提 出 很 多 的 期 待 建 議 比 如 說 希 望 未 來 跟 原 民 會 做 合 作 比 如 說 能 夠 像 我 們 講 因 為 銀 行 在 貸 放 需 要 有 透 明 的 價 格 資 訊 希 望 我 們 也 協 調 比 如 說 內 政 部 能 夠 在 實 價 登 錄 能 夠 放 上 原 保 地 的 交 易 價 格 還 有 提 到 就 是 說 我 們 也 看 到 了 也 有 金 融 機 構 已 經 針 對 原 保 地 也 有 做 一 些 抵 押 貸 款 也 有 開 始 有 一 些 量 出 來 還 有 就 是 說 我 們 也 未 來 會 持 續 跟 原 委 會\n\n14\n00:05:02,239 --> 00:05:04,440\n主 委 , 謝 謝 您 的 回 應 , 非 常 的 清 楚 。 我 是 要 再 做 一 些 提 醒 , 好 還 要 更 好 。\n\n15\n00:05:25,609 --> 00:05:42,775\n我 舉 個 例 子 就 是 銀 行 這 邊 可 協 助 原 住 民 參 考 永 續 經 濟 活 動 認 定 參 考 指 引 來 認 定 永 續 經 濟 活 動 的 要 件 那 麼 我 們 進 去 細 看 我 以 原 住 民 的 觀 點 去 細 看\n\n16\n00:05:44,039 --> 00:05:44,059\n是\n\n17\n00:06:00,630 --> 00:06:13,936\n現 在 小 型 露 營 場 合 法 化 ． 很 多 原 住 民 針 對 林 地 、 農 牧 用 地 ． 他 有 做 最 低 限 度 利 用 開 發 的 小 型 露 營 場 ． 他 也 是 一 種 低 碳 跟 循 環 經 濟 的 活 動 ． 對 吧 ? 同 意 那 我 要 講 的 就 是 說 ． 他 應 該 是 適 用 永 續 經 濟 活 動 ． 認 定 參 考 指 引 的 , 沒 錯 吧 ?\n\n18\n00:06:26,036 --> 00:06:45,122\n委 員 這 個 可 以 允 許 我 們 處 長 來 跟 您 回 答 這 個 問 題 好 謝 謝 我 只 是 要 提 醒 我 們 原 住 民 這 些 經 常 性 的 普 遍 性 的 經 濟 活 動 也 要 了 解 啊 要 不 然 寫 一 堆 以 我 來 講 我 都 不 知 道 到 底 我 適 用 哪 一 條 所 以 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 可 以 來 討 論\n\n19\n00:06:46,582 --> 00:07:00,940\n好 來 跟 委 員 報 告 一 下 就 我 們 目 前 了 解 就 是 原 住 民 這 邊 大 概 比 較 有 興 趣 的 包 含 像 是 對 再 生 能 源 例 如 說 像 光 電 板 的 建 制 然 後 像 剛 剛 委 員 這 邊 所 說 的 這 個 碳 補 桌 的 部 分 其 實 可 以 看 那 個 右 邊 前 瞻 經 濟 活 動\n\n20\n00:07:02,662 --> 00:07:09,607\n在 第 9 項 這 邊 其 實 也 有 探 譜 桌 的 那 譬 如 說 像 有 一 些 這 個 原 民 他 們 可 能 對 這 個 循 環 經 濟 的 部 分 也 是 有 興 趣 那 也 有 第 1 2 項 這 種 如 果 說 他 們 去 跟 銀 行 業 這 邊 去 做 貸 款 的 話 那 銀 行 業 可 以 參 考 這 個 右 邊 這 邊 前 瞻 經 濟 活 動 單 保 品 會 是 什 麼\n\n21\n00:07:29,022 --> 00:07:51,400\n這 個 可 能 就 要 看 銀 行 這 邊 他 們 所 以 我 說 我 們 原 住 民 這 些 適 用 嗎 我 想 這 個 部 分 我 只 是 做 提 醒 主 委 您 應 該 明 白 我 的 意 思 我 理 解 又 舉 個 例 子 來 講 像 增 加 銀 行 的 誘 因 那 當 然 董 事 負 責 人 高 階 經 理 人 鼓 勵 強 化 高 階 人 員 金 融 友 善 教 育 訓 練\n\n22\n00:07:54,219 --> 00:08:09,270\n檢 視 現 階 段 提 供 的 金 融 服 務 兼 顧 弱 勢 族 群 的 需 求 很 好 很 好 但 是 主 委 我 覺 得 當 我 們 來 到 銀 行 窗 口 何 待 的 一 線 人 員 您 覺 得 重 不 重 要\n\n23\n00:08:11,298 --> 00:08:25,867\n這 個 其 實 每 個 環 節 都 很 重 要 對 所 以 我 就 是 要 提 醒 那 我 們 都 提 到 弱 勢 族 群 但 是 第 一 線 的 人 員 或 者 銀 行 他 會 如 何 去 定 義 弱 勢 族 群 他 可 能 以 為 是 老 人 啊 他 可 能 以 為 是 青 年 啊\n\n24\n00:08:26,747 --> 00:08:41,261\n那 他 會 想 到 是 原 住 民 族 群 嗎 所 以 這 個 提 醒 我 只 是 說 我 希 望 我 上 次 質 詢 我 們 主 委 您 的 時 候 我 也 要 特 別 謝 謝 您 那 是 5 月 2 2 號\n\n25\n00:08:42,802 --> 00:09:05,818\n但 是 你 已 經 回 覆 了 以 要 求 評 鑑 小 組 將 原 住 民 放 款 的 指 標 列 入 未 來 評 鑑 項 目 並 請 原 民 會 提 供 嚴 定 的 建 議 謝 謝 真 的 是 見 急 履 急 主 委 你 真 的 很 不 錯 那 我 是 希 望 說 請 金 管 會 兩 個 月 內 能 夠 去 重 整 原 民 會 的 意 見 跟 本 席 提 出 的 這 些 疑 議 檢 討 現 有\n\n26\n00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:07,859\n財 政 部 長\n\n27\n00:09:38,089 --> 00:09:53,495\n部 長 我 是 想 要 請 教 因 為 我 也 問 過 很 多 次 財 政 部 是 不 是 已 經 將 乘 坐 元 寶 地 放 貸 納 入 公 股 行 庫 的 E S G 評 鑑 指 標 並 列 為 加 分 項 目 然 後 提 高 公 股 銀 行 乘 坐 的 誘 因 跟 意 願 有 了 嗎\n\n28\n00:09:54,375 --> 00:10:22,020\n委 員 這 個 建 議 很 好 但 是 我 們 會 在 有 關 相 關 目 前 的 一 個 建 架 跟 信 用 保 證 機 制 建 立 完 備 讓 供 股 行 戶 可 以 去 做 這 個 事 情 以 後 我 們 就 會 把 你 預 期 大 概 多 久 那 這 個 部 分 因 為 建 架 的 部 分 涉 及 到 內 政 部 那 信 用 保 證 機 制 原 民 會 這 邊 也 在 努 力 我 想 這 兩 個 部 會 都 在 努 力 我 們 把 這 個 地 方 建 立 起 來 大 家 都 在 努 力 中 供 股 行 戶 可 以 做 的 時 候 把 它 放 出 來 那 我 就 舉 一 個 例 子 來 我 們 之 前 有 一 些\n\n29\n00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,221\n伍 麗 華 S a i d h a i T a h o v e c a h e\n\n30\n00:10:41,992 --> 00:11:02,675\n那 最 近 今 年 3 月 的 高 雄 市 也 有 一 個 拉 瓦 克 部 落 的 拆 遷 那 陳 其 邁 市 長 也 很 棒 他 直 接 說 原 住 民 是 臺 灣 土 地 的 主 人 從 優 安 置 也 給 予 3 3 3 的 安 置 那 我 現 在 要 請 教 在 屏 東 8 8 風 災 後 這 一 些 安 居 在 永 久 屋 的 族 人 吶\n\n31\n00:11:03,476 --> 00:11:29,733\n有 一 些 他 們 並 沒 有 辦 法 取 得 房 屋 因 為 是 1 比 1 所 以 他 們 希 望 釋 出 一 些 空 地 讓 他 們 自 己 蓋 那 我 現 在 就 是 想 要 請 教 啦 那 我 們 現 在 如 果 原 民 會 願 意 提 供 信 用 保 證 那 我 們 能 不 能 夠 比 照 我 剛 才 談 的 那 些 其 他 國 家 他 們 的 永 續 金 融 中 心 像 紐 西 蘭 他 們 有 在 協 助 這 種 原 住 民 的 自 立 建 屋 啊\n\n32\n00:11:30,433 --> 00:11:52,577\n因 為 現 在 政 府 已 經 提 供 基 礎 建 設 的 經 費 現 政 府 也 釋 出 土 地 讓 他 們 使 用 現 在 要 面 臨 貸 款 今 天 應 該 很 多 銀 行 都 有 來 我 就 想 要 當 著 財 政 部 長 您 的 面 我 問 一 下 請 問 在 座 的 根 股 銀 行 你 們 有 沒 有 人 願 意 主 動 承 接 貸 款 業 務 有 沒 有 舉 個 手 部 長 你 看 沒 有 呢 有 沒 有 獎 勵 措 施 有 沒 有 誘 因\n\n33\n00:12:02,318 --> 00:12:03,183\n有 了 嗎 ? 臺 灣 銀 行 ? 好 ! 謝 謝 ! 臺 灣 銀 行 感 謝 您 !\n\n34\n00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:08,108\n我 們 休 息 1 0 分 鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n576\t2690\t有請金管會主委有請彭主委\n8888\t30545\t委員好主委好今天委員會特別安排如何精進ESG制度評鑑、永續報告書及公司治理評鑑制度導引金融機構落實放貸及貸後管理工作的專題報告那我跟主委說這個會期初\n33747\t59519\t3月4號的時候其實我也有就這個部分來質詢我們的前金管會主委那當時呢我是提到當我們談ESG的時候我們是提到環境永續的關心還有企業的社會責任那這個部分我們看到金管會提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0\n61400\t87346\t他公告的這一些我有特別問這個永續到底有沒有包含原住民族的金融那我特別有提到幾個國家像是澳洲主委您應該知道他們有建立原住民的金融服務辦公室有關注原住民金融架構設計跟服務的包容性\n88146\t108724\t有鼓勵金融機構讓原住民更容易獲得銀行的服務．有強化對原住民有益且適當的保險產品．並且在投資者的淨值調查過程中．有尊重原住民的權利、知情同意．\n109705\t130077\t在紐西蘭的土地跟我們目前台灣原住民土地是一樣的他有限制所以難以做擔保品所以他們就辦理計畫跟銀行合作支持開發針對這一些原住民土地貸款的解決方案\n131161\t156271\t在加拿大他們也是加強原住民族在永續金融的參與其中提到綠色與轉型的金融他們對於不造成重大損害評估的時候有包含尊重原住民權利和和解那反觀我們提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0好像\n157071\t186409\t沒有辦法看到這些有關原住民族參與跟支持的機制更遑論去考量綠色融資對象影響原住民權益的情形所以呢我在跟主委報告的時候就是說過去可能沒有人關注沒有人提醒那我們現在關注現在提醒所以我請金管會要聯同原民會\n187129\t213188\t去參考澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭這些國家在永續金融架構中納入尊重原住民族權利的具體措施來修改綠色金融行動方案並在三個月內提出那我要跟主委您說我要謝謝因為還沒有到三個月我已經收到金管會的回函了\n213968\t233201\t那麼有提到第一堅固原住民保留地發展及維護生物多樣性第二鼓勵銀行協助原住民取得資金第三研議原住民保留地設定擔保的可行性協調銀行積極配合辦理政策性貸款第四\n233681\t257773\t提升多元族群權益的目標．納入永續金融評鑑指標．第五協力金融教育推動小組提升原住民族群的金融教育推廣好那我要請教一下主委您看過這個回覆的內容了嗎這個內容是應該是我昨天還前天我一個字一個字看完才記得\n258593\t261396\t同仁們針對委員所提的各種的訴求他們都有想盡辦法去回應比如說他對於這個元寶地的貸款\n276334\t301499\t他們也提出很多的期待建議比如說希望未來跟原民會做合作比如說能夠像我們講因為銀行在貸放需要有透明的價格資訊希望我們也協調比如說內政部能夠在實價登錄能夠放上原保地的交易價格還有提到就是說我們也看到了也有金融機構已經針對原保地也有做一些抵押貸款也有開始有一些量出來還有就是說我們也未來會持續跟原委會\n302239\t304440\t主委,謝謝您的回應,非常的清楚。我是要再做一些提醒,好還要更好。\n325609\t342775\t我舉個例子就是銀行這邊可協助原住民參考永續經濟活動認定參考指引來認定永續經濟活動的要件那麼我們進去細看我以原住民的觀點去細看\n344039\t344059\t是\n360630\t373936\t現在小型露營場合法化．很多原住民針對林地、農牧用地．他有做最低限度利用開發的小型露營場．他也是一種低碳跟循環經濟的活動．對吧?同意那我要講的就是說．他應該是適用永續經濟活動．認定參考指引的,沒錯吧?\n386036\t405122\t委員這個可以允許我們處長來跟您回答這個問題好 謝謝我只是要提醒我們原住民這些經常性的普遍性的經濟活動也要了解啊要不然寫一堆以我來講我都不知道到底我適用哪一條所以這個部分是不是可以來討論\n406582\t420940\t好來跟委員報告一下就我們目前了解就是原住民這邊大概比較有興趣的包含像是對再生能源例如說像光電板的建制然後像剛剛委員這邊所說的這個碳補桌的部分其實可以看那個右邊前瞻經濟活動\n422662\t429607\t在第9項這邊其實也有探譜桌的那譬如說像有一些這個原民他們可能對這個循環經濟的部分也是有興趣那也有第12項這種如果說他們去跟銀行業這邊去做貸款的話那銀行業可以參考這個右邊這邊前瞻經濟活動單保品會是什麼\n449022\t471400\t這個可能就要看銀行這邊他們所以我說我們原住民這些適用嗎我想這個部分我只是做提醒主委您應該明白我的意思我理解又舉個例子來講像增加銀行的誘因那當然董事負責人高階經理人鼓勵強化高階人員金融友善教育訓練\n474219\t489270\t檢視現階段提供的金融服務兼顧弱勢族群的需求很好很好但是主委我覺得當我們來到銀行窗口何待的一線人員您覺得重不重要\n491298\t505867\t這個其實每個環節都很重要對所以我就是要提醒那我們都提到弱勢族群但是第一線的人員或者銀行他會如何去定義弱勢族群他可能以為是老人啊他可能以為是青年啊\n506747\t521261\t那他會想到是原住民族群嗎所以這個提醒我只是說我希望我上次質詢我們主委您的時候我也要特別謝謝您那是5月22號\n522802\t545818\t但是你已經回覆了以要求評鑑小組將原住民放款的指標列入未來評鑑項目並請原民會提供嚴定的建議謝謝真的是見急履急主委你真的很不錯那我是希望說請金管會兩個月內能夠去重整原民會的意見跟本席提出的這些疑議檢討現有\n547639\t547859\t財政部長\n578089\t593495\t部長我是想要請教因為我也問過很多次財政部是不是已經將乘坐元寶地放貸納入公股行庫的ESG評鑑指標並列為加分項目然後提高公股銀行乘坐的誘因跟意願有了嗎\n594375\t622020\t委員這個建議很好但是我們會在有關相關目前的一個建架跟信用保證機制建立完備讓供股行戶可以去做這個事情以後我們就會把你預期大概多久那這個部分因為建架的部分涉及到內政部那信用保證機制原民會這邊也在努力我想這兩個部會都在努力我們把這個地方建立起來大家都在努力中供股行戶可以做的時候把它放出來那我就舉一個例子來我們之前有一些\n623160\t625221\t伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe\n641992\t662675\t那最近今年3月的高雄市也有一個拉瓦克部落的拆遷那陳其邁市長也很棒他直接說原住民是臺灣土地的主人從優安置也給予333的安置那我現在要請教在屏東88風災後這一些安居在永久屋的族人吶\n663476\t689733\t有一些他們並沒有辦法取得房屋因為是1比1所以他們希望釋出一些空地讓他們自己蓋那我現在就是想要請教啦那我們現在如果原民會願意提供信用保證那我們能不能夠比照我剛才談的那些其他國家他們的永續金融中心像紐西蘭他們有在協助這種原住民的自立建屋啊\n690433\t712577\t因為現在政府已經提供基礎建設的經費現政府也釋出土地讓他們使用現在要面臨貸款今天應該很多銀行都有來我就想要當著財政部長您的面我問一下請問在座的根股銀行你們有沒有人願意主動承接貸款業務有沒有舉個手部長你看沒有呢有沒有獎勵措施有沒有誘因\n722318\t723183\t有了嗎?臺灣銀行?好!謝謝!臺灣銀行感謝您!\n727728\t728108\t我們休息10分鐘\n","txt":"有請金管會主委有請彭主委\n委員好主委好今天委員會特別安排如何精進ESG制度評鑑、永續報告書及公司治理評鑑制度導引金融機構落實放貸及貸後管理工作的專題報告那我跟主委說這個會期初\n3月4號的時候其實我也有就這個部分來質詢我們的前金管會主委那當時呢我是提到當我們談ESG的時候我們是提到環境永續的關心還有企業的社會責任那這個部分我們看到金管會提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0\n他公告的這一些我有特別問這個永續到底有沒有包含原住民族的金融那我特別有提到幾個國家像是澳洲主委您應該知道他們有建立原住民的金融服務辦公室有關注原住民金融架構設計跟服務的包容性\n有鼓勵金融機構讓原住民更容易獲得銀行的服務．有強化對原住民有益且適當的保險產品．並且在投資者的淨值調查過程中．有尊重原住民的權利、知情同意．\n在紐西蘭的土地跟我們目前台灣原住民土地是一樣的他有限制所以難以做擔保品所以他們就辦理計畫跟銀行合作支持開發針對這一些原住民土地貸款的解決方案\n在加拿大他們也是加強原住民族在永續金融的參與其中提到綠色與轉型的金融他們對於不造成重大損害評估的時候有包含尊重原住民權利和和解那反觀我們提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0好像\n沒有辦法看到這些有關原住民族參與跟支持的機制更遑論去考量綠色融資對象影響原住民權益的情形所以呢我在跟主委報告的時候就是說過去可能沒有人關注沒有人提醒那我們現在關注現在提醒所以我請金管會要聯同原民會\n去參考澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭這些國家在永續金融架構中納入尊重原住民族權利的具體措施來修改綠色金融行動方案並在三個月內提出那我要跟主委您說我要謝謝因為還沒有到三個月我已經收到金管會的回函了\n那麼有提到第一堅固原住民保留地發展及維護生物多樣性第二鼓勵銀行協助原住民取得資金第三研議原住民保留地設定擔保的可行性協調銀行積極配合辦理政策性貸款第四\n提升多元族群權益的目標．納入永續金融評鑑指標．第五協力金融教育推動小組提升原住民族群的金融教育推廣好那我要請教一下主委您看過這個回覆的內容了嗎這個內容是應該是我昨天還前天我一個字一個字看完才記得\n同仁們針對委員所提的各種的訴求他們都有想盡辦法去回應比如說他對於這個元寶地的貸款\n他們也提出很多的期待建議比如說希望未來跟原民會做合作比如說能夠像我們講因為銀行在貸放需要有透明的價格資訊希望我們也協調比如說內政部能夠在實價登錄能夠放上原保地的交易價格還有提到就是說我們也看到了也有金融機構已經針對原保地也有做一些抵押貸款也有開始有一些量出來還有就是說我們也未來會持續跟原委會\n主委,謝謝您的回應,非常的清楚。我是要再做一些提醒,好還要更好。\n我舉個例子就是銀行這邊可協助原住民參考永續經濟活動認定參考指引來認定永續經濟活動的要件那麼我們進去細看我以原住民的觀點去細看\n是\n現在小型露營場合法化．很多原住民針對林地、農牧用地．他有做最低限度利用開發的小型露營場．他也是一種低碳跟循環經濟的活動．對吧?同意那我要講的就是說．他應該是適用永續經濟活動．認定參考指引的,沒錯吧?\n委員這個可以允許我們處長來跟您回答這個問題好 謝謝我只是要提醒我們原住民這些經常性的普遍性的經濟活動也要了解啊要不然寫一堆以我來講我都不知道到底我適用哪一條所以這個部分是不是可以來討論\n好來跟委員報告一下就我們目前了解就是原住民這邊大概比較有興趣的包含像是對再生能源例如說像光電板的建制然後像剛剛委員這邊所說的這個碳補桌的部分其實可以看那個右邊前瞻經濟活動\n在第9項這邊其實也有探譜桌的那譬如說像有一些這個原民他們可能對這個循環經濟的部分也是有興趣那也有第12項這種如果說他們去跟銀行業這邊去做貸款的話那銀行業可以參考這個右邊這邊前瞻經濟活動單保品會是什麼\n這個可能就要看銀行這邊他們所以我說我們原住民這些適用嗎我想這個部分我只是做提醒主委您應該明白我的意思我理解又舉個例子來講像增加銀行的誘因那當然董事負責人高階經理人鼓勵強化高階人員金融友善教育訓練\n檢視現階段提供的金融服務兼顧弱勢族群的需求很好很好但是主委我覺得當我們來到銀行窗口何待的一線人員您覺得重不重要\n這個其實每個環節都很重要對所以我就是要提醒那我們都提到弱勢族群但是第一線的人員或者銀行他會如何去定義弱勢族群他可能以為是老人啊他可能以為是青年啊\n那他會想到是原住民族群嗎所以這個提醒我只是說我希望我上次質詢我們主委您的時候我也要特別謝謝您那是5月22號\n但是你已經回覆了以要求評鑑小組將原住民放款的指標列入未來評鑑項目並請原民會提供嚴定的建議謝謝真的是見急履急主委你真的很不錯那我是希望說請金管會兩個月內能夠去重整原民會的意見跟本席提出的這些疑議檢討現有\n財政部長\n部長我是想要請教因為我也問過很多次財政部是不是已經將乘坐元寶地放貸納入公股行庫的ESG評鑑指標並列為加分項目然後提高公股銀行乘坐的誘因跟意願有了嗎\n委員這個建議很好但是我們會在有關相關目前的一個建架跟信用保證機制建立完備讓供股行戶可以去做這個事情以後我們就會把你預期大概多久那這個部分因為建架的部分涉及到內政部那信用保證機制原民會這邊也在努力我想這兩個部會都在努力我們把這個地方建立起來大家都在努力中供股行戶可以做的時候把它放出來那我就舉一個例子來我們之前有一些\n伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe\n那最近今年3月的高雄市也有一個拉瓦克部落的拆遷那陳其邁市長也很棒他直接說原住民是臺灣土地的主人從優安置也給予333的安置那我現在要請教在屏東88風災後這一些安居在永久屋的族人吶\n有一些他們並沒有辦法取得房屋因為是1比1所以他們希望釋出一些空地讓他們自己蓋那我現在就是想要請教啦那我們現在如果原民會願意提供信用保證那我們能不能夠比照我剛才談的那些其他國家他們的永續金融中心像紐西蘭他們有在協助這種原住民的自立建屋啊\n因為現在政府已經提供基礎建設的經費現政府也釋出土地讓他們使用現在要面臨貸款今天應該很多銀行都有來我就想要當著財政部長您的面我問一下請問在座的根股銀行你們有沒有人願意主動承接貸款業務有沒有舉個手部長你看沒有呢有沒有獎勵措施有沒有誘因\n有了嗎?臺灣銀行?好!謝謝!臺灣銀行感謝您!\n我們休息10分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.576 --> 00:02.690\n有 請 金 管 會 主 委 有 請 彭 主 委\n\n00:08.888 --> 00:30.545\n委 員 好 主 委 好 今 天 委 員 會 特 別 安 排 如 何 精 進 E S G 制 度 評 鑑 、 永 續 報 告 書 及 公 司 治 理 評 鑑 制 度 導 引 金 融 機 構 落 實 放 貸 及 貸 後 管 理 工 作 的 專 題 報 告 那 我 跟 主 委 說 這 個 會 期 初\n\n00:33.747 --> 00:59.519\n3 月 4 號 的 時 候 其 實 我 也 有 就 這 個 部 分 來 質 詢 我 們 的 前 金 管 會 主 委 那 當 時 呢 我 是 提 到 當 我 們 談 E S G 的 時 候 我 們 是 提 到 環 境 永 續 的 關 心 還 有 企 業 的 社 會 責 任 那 這 個 部 分 我 們 看 到 金 管 會 提 出 的 綠 色 金 融 行 動 方 案 3 . 0\n\n01:01.400 --> 01:27.346\n他 公 告 的 這 一 些 我 有 特 別 問 這 個 永 續 到 底 有 沒 有 包 含 原 住 民 族 的 金 融 那 我 特 別 有 提 到 幾 個 國 家 像 是 澳 洲 主 委 您 應 該 知 道 他 們 有 建 立 原 住 民 的 金 融 服 務 辦 公 室 有 關 注 原 住 民 金 融 架 構 設 計 跟 服 務 的 包 容 性\n\n01:28.146 --> 01:48.724\n有 鼓 勵 金 融 機 構 讓 原 住 民 更 容 易 獲 得 銀 行 的 服 務 ． 有 強 化 對 原 住 民 有 益 且 適 當 的 保 險 產 品 ． 並 且 在 投 資 者 的 淨 值 調 查 過 程 中 ． 有 尊 重 原 住 民 的 權 利 、 知 情 同 意 ．\n\n01:49.705 --> 02:10.077\n在 紐 西 蘭 的 土 地 跟 我 們 目 前 台 灣 原 住 民 土 地 是 一 樣 的 他 有 限 制 所 以 難 以 做 擔 保 品 所 以 他 們 就 辦 理 計 畫 跟 銀 行 合 作 支 持 開 發 針 對 這 一 些 原 住 民 土 地 貸 款 的 解 決 方 案\n\n02:11.161 --> 02:36.271\n在 加 拿 大 他 們 也 是 加 強 原 住 民 族 在 永 續 金 融 的 參 與 其 中 提 到 綠 色 與 轉 型 的 金 融 他 們 對 於 不 造 成 重 大 損 害 評 估 的 時 候 有 包 含 尊 重 原 住 民 權 利 和 和 解 那 反 觀 我 們 提 出 的 綠 色 金 融 行 動 方 案 3 . 0 好 像\n\n02:37.071 --> 03:06.409\n沒 有 辦 法 看 到 這 些 有 關 原 住 民 族 參 與 跟 支 持 的 機 制 更 遑 論 去 考 量 綠 色 融 資 對 象 影 響 原 住 民 權 益 的 情 形 所 以 呢 我 在 跟 主 委 報 告 的 時 候 就 是 說 過 去 可 能 沒 有 人 關 注 沒 有 人 提 醒 那 我 們 現 在 關 注 現 在 提 醒 所 以 我 請 金 管 會 要 聯 同 原 民 會\n\n03:07.129 --> 03:33.188\n去 參 考 澳 洲 、 加 拿 大 、 紐 西 蘭 這 些 國 家 在 永 續 金 融 架 構 中 納 入 尊 重 原 住 民 族 權 利 的 具 體 措 施 來 修 改 綠 色 金 融 行 動 方 案 並 在 三 個 月 內 提 出 那 我 要 跟 主 委 您 說 我 要 謝 謝 因 為 還 沒 有 到 三 個 月 我 已 經 收 到 金 管 會 的 回 函 了\n\n03:33.968 --> 03:53.201\n那 麼 有 提 到 第 一 堅 固 原 住 民 保 留 地 發 展 及 維 護 生 物 多 樣 性 第 二 鼓 勵 銀 行 協 助 原 住 民 取 得 資 金 第 三 研 議 原 住 民 保 留 地 設 定 擔 保 的 可 行 性 協 調 銀 行 積 極 配 合 辦 理 政 策 性 貸 款 第 四\n\n03:53.681 --> 04:17.773\n提 升 多 元 族 群 權 益 的 目 標 ． 納 入 永 續 金 融 評 鑑 指 標 ． 第 五 協 力 金 融 教 育 推 動 小 組 提 升 原 住 民 族 群 的 金 融 教 育 推 廣 好 那 我 要 請 教 一 下 主 委 您 看 過 這 個 回 覆 的 內 容 了 嗎 這 個 內 容 是 應 該 是 我 昨 天 還 前 天 我 一 個 字 一 個 字 看 完 才 記 得\n\n04:18.593 --> 04:21.396\n同 仁 們 針 對 委 員 所 提 的 各 種 的 訴 求 他 們 都 有 想 盡 辦 法 去 回 應 比 如 說 他 對 於 這 個 元 寶 地 的 貸 款\n\n04:36.334 --> 05:01.499\n他 們 也 提 出 很 多 的 期 待 建 議 比 如 說 希 望 未 來 跟 原 民 會 做 合 作 比 如 說 能 夠 像 我 們 講 因 為 銀 行 在 貸 放 需 要 有 透 明 的 價 格 資 訊 希 望 我 們 也 協 調 比 如 說 內 政 部 能 夠 在 實 價 登 錄 能 夠 放 上 原 保 地 的 交 易 價 格 還 有 提 到 就 是 說 我 們 也 看 到 了 也 有 金 融 機 構 已 經 針 對 原 保 地 也 有 做 一 些 抵 押 貸 款 也 有 開 始 有 一 些 量 出 來 還 有 就 是 說 我 們 也 未 來 會 持 續 跟 原 委 會\n\n05:02.239 --> 05:04.440\n主 委 , 謝 謝 您 的 回 應 , 非 常 的 清 楚 。 我 是 要 再 做 一 些 提 醒 , 好 還 要 更 好 。\n\n05:25.609 --> 05:42.775\n我 舉 個 例 子 就 是 銀 行 這 邊 可 協 助 原 住 民 參 考 永 續 經 濟 活 動 認 定 參 考 指 引 來 認 定 永 續 經 濟 活 動 的 要 件 那 麼 我 們 進 去 細 看 我 以 原 住 民 的 觀 點 去 細 看\n\n05:44.039 --> 05:44.059\n是\n\n06:00.630 --> 06:13.936\n現 在 小 型 露 營 場 合 法 化 ． 很 多 原 住 民 針 對 林 地 、 農 牧 用 地 ． 他 有 做 最 低 限 度 利 用 開 發 的 小 型 露 營 場 ． 他 也 是 一 種 低 碳 跟 循 環 經 濟 的 活 動 ． 對 吧 ? 同 意 那 我 要 講 的 就 是 說 ． 他 應 該 是 適 用 永 續 經 濟 活 動 ． 認 定 參 考 指 引 的 , 沒 錯 吧 ?\n\n06:26.036 --> 06:45.122\n委 員 這 個 可 以 允 許 我 們 處 長 來 跟 您 回 答 這 個 問 題 好 謝 謝 我 只 是 要 提 醒 我 們 原 住 民 這 些 經 常 性 的 普 遍 性 的 經 濟 活 動 也 要 了 解 啊 要 不 然 寫 一 堆 以 我 來 講 我 都 不 知 道 到 底 我 適 用 哪 一 條 所 以 這 個 部 分 是 不 是 可 以 來 討 論\n\n06:46.582 --> 07:00.940\n好 來 跟 委 員 報 告 一 下 就 我 們 目 前 了 解 就 是 原 住 民 這 邊 大 概 比 較 有 興 趣 的 包 含 像 是 對 再 生 能 源 例 如 說 像 光 電 板 的 建 制 然 後 像 剛 剛 委 員 這 邊 所 說 的 這 個 碳 補 桌 的 部 分 其 實 可 以 看 那 個 右 邊 前 瞻 經 濟 活 動\n\n07:02.662 --> 07:09.607\n在 第 9 項 這 邊 其 實 也 有 探 譜 桌 的 那 譬 如 說 像 有 一 些 這 個 原 民 他 們 可 能 對 這 個 循 環 經 濟 的 部 分 也 是 有 興 趣 那 也 有 第 1 2 項 這 種 如 果 說 他 們 去 跟 銀 行 業 這 邊 去 做 貸 款 的 話 那 銀 行 業 可 以 參 考 這 個 右 邊 這 邊 前 瞻 經 濟 活 動 單 保 品 會 是 什 麼\n\n07:29.022 --> 07:51.400\n這 個 可 能 就 要 看 銀 行 這 邊 他 們 所 以 我 說 我 們 原 住 民 這 些 適 用 嗎 我 想 這 個 部 分 我 只 是 做 提 醒 主 委 您 應 該 明 白 我 的 意 思 我 理 解 又 舉 個 例 子 來 講 像 增 加 銀 行 的 誘 因 那 當 然 董 事 負 責 人 高 階 經 理 人 鼓 勵 強 化 高 階 人 員 金 融 友 善 教 育 訓 練\n\n07:54.219 --> 08:09.270\n檢 視 現 階 段 提 供 的 金 融 服 務 兼 顧 弱 勢 族 群 的 需 求 很 好 很 好 但 是 主 委 我 覺 得 當 我 們 來 到 銀 行 窗 口 何 待 的 一 線 人 員 您 覺 得 重 不 重 要\n\n08:11.298 --> 08:25.867\n這 個 其 實 每 個 環 節 都 很 重 要 對 所 以 我 就 是 要 提 醒 那 我 們 都 提 到 弱 勢 族 群 但 是 第 一 線 的 人 員 或 者 銀 行 他 會 如 何 去 定 義 弱 勢 族 群 他 可 能 以 為 是 老 人 啊 他 可 能 以 為 是 青 年 啊\n\n08:26.747 --> 08:41.261\n那 他 會 想 到 是 原 住 民 族 群 嗎 所 以 這 個 提 醒 我 只 是 說 我 希 望 我 上 次 質 詢 我 們 主 委 您 的 時 候 我 也 要 特 別 謝 謝 您 那 是 5 月 2 2 號\n\n08:42.802 --> 09:05.818\n但 是 你 已 經 回 覆 了 以 要 求 評 鑑 小 組 將 原 住 民 放 款 的 指 標 列 入 未 來 評 鑑 項 目 並 請 原 民 會 提 供 嚴 定 的 建 議 謝 謝 真 的 是 見 急 履 急 主 委 你 真 的 很 不 錯 那 我 是 希 望 說 請 金 管 會 兩 個 月 內 能 夠 去 重 整 原 民 會 的 意 見 跟 本 席 提 出 的 這 些 疑 議 檢 討 現 有\n\n09:07.639 --> 09:07.859\n財 政 部 長\n\n09:38.089 --> 09:53.495\n部 長 我 是 想 要 請 教 因 為 我 也 問 過 很 多 次 財 政 部 是 不 是 已 經 將 乘 坐 元 寶 地 放 貸 納 入 公 股 行 庫 的 E S G 評 鑑 指 標 並 列 為 加 分 項 目 然 後 提 高 公 股 銀 行 乘 坐 的 誘 因 跟 意 願 有 了 嗎\n\n09:54.375 --> 10:22.020\n委 員 這 個 建 議 很 好 但 是 我 們 會 在 有 關 相 關 目 前 的 一 個 建 架 跟 信 用 保 證 機 制 建 立 完 備 讓 供 股 行 戶 可 以 去 做 這 個 事 情 以 後 我 們 就 會 把 你 預 期 大 概 多 久 那 這 個 部 分 因 為 建 架 的 部 分 涉 及 到 內 政 部 那 信 用 保 證 機 制 原 民 會 這 邊 也 在 努 力 我 想 這 兩 個 部 會 都 在 努 力 我 們 把 這 個 地 方 建 立 起 來 大 家 都 在 努 力 中 供 股 行 戶 可 以 做 的 時 候 把 它 放 出 來 那 我 就 舉 一 個 例 子 來 我 們 之 前 有 一 些\n\n10:23.160 --> 10:25.221\n伍 麗 華 S a i d h a i T a h o v e c a h e\n\n10:41.992 --> 11:02.675\n那 最 近 今 年 3 月 的 高 雄 市 也 有 一 個 拉 瓦 克 部 落 的 拆 遷 那 陳 其 邁 市 長 也 很 棒 他 直 接 說 原 住 民 是 臺 灣 土 地 的 主 人 從 優 安 置 也 給 予 3 3 3 的 安 置 那 我 現 在 要 請 教 在 屏 東 8 8 風 災 後 這 一 些 安 居 在 永 久 屋 的 族 人 吶\n\n11:03.476 --> 11:29.733\n有 一 些 他 們 並 沒 有 辦 法 取 得 房 屋 因 為 是 1 比 1 所 以 他 們 希 望 釋 出 一 些 空 地 讓 他 們 自 己 蓋 那 我 現 在 就 是 想 要 請 教 啦 那 我 們 現 在 如 果 原 民 會 願 意 提 供 信 用 保 證 那 我 們 能 不 能 夠 比 照 我 剛 才 談 的 那 些 其 他 國 家 他 們 的 永 續 金 融 中 心 像 紐 西 蘭 他 們 有 在 協 助 這 種 原 住 民 的 自 立 建 屋 啊\n\n11:30.433 --> 11:52.577\n因 為 現 在 政 府 已 經 提 供 基 礎 建 設 的 經 費 現 政 府 也 釋 出 土 地 讓 他 們 使 用 現 在 要 面 臨 貸 款 今 天 應 該 很 多 銀 行 都 有 來 我 就 想 要 當 著 財 政 部 長 您 的 面 我 問 一 下 請 問 在 座 的 根 股 銀 行 你 們 有 沒 有 人 願 意 主 動 承 接 貸 款 業 務 有 沒 有 舉 個 手 部 長 你 看 沒 有 呢 有 沒 有 獎 勵 措 施 有 沒 有 誘 因\n\n12:02.318 --> 12:03.183\n有 了 嗎 ? 臺 灣 銀 行 ? 好 ! 謝 謝 ! 臺 灣 銀 行 感 謝 您 !\n\n12:07.728 --> 12:08.108\n我 們 休 息 1 0 分 鐘\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.576,"end":2.69,"text":"有請金管會主委有請彭主委"},{"start":8.888,"end":30.545,"text":"委員好主委好今天委員會特別安排如何精進ESG制度評鑑、永續報告書及公司治理評鑑制度導引金融機構落實放貸及貸後管理工作的專題報告那我跟主委說這個會期初"},{"start":33.747,"end":59.519,"text":"3月4號的時候其實我也有就這個部分來質詢我們的前金管會主委那當時呢我是提到當我們談ESG的時候我們是提到環境永續的關心還有企業的社會責任那這個部分我們看到金管會提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0"},{"start":61.4,"end":87.346,"text":"他公告的這一些我有特別問這個永續到底有沒有包含原住民族的金融那我特別有提到幾個國家像是澳洲主委您應該知道他們有建立原住民的金融服務辦公室有關注原住民金融架構設計跟服務的包容性"},{"start":88.146,"end":108.724,"text":"有鼓勵金融機構讓原住民更容易獲得銀行的服務．有強化對原住民有益且適當的保險產品．並且在投資者的淨值調查過程中．有尊重原住民的權利、知情同意．"},{"start":109.705,"end":130.077,"text":"在紐西蘭的土地跟我們目前台灣原住民土地是一樣的他有限制所以難以做擔保品所以他們就辦理計畫跟銀行合作支持開發針對這一些原住民土地貸款的解決方案"},{"start":131.161,"end":156.271,"text":"在加拿大他們也是加強原住民族在永續金融的參與其中提到綠色與轉型的金融他們對於不造成重大損害評估的時候有包含尊重原住民權利和和解那反觀我們提出的綠色金融行動方案3.0好像"},{"start":157.071,"end":186.409,"text":"沒有辦法看到這些有關原住民族參與跟支持的機制更遑論去考量綠色融資對象影響原住民權益的情形所以呢我在跟主委報告的時候就是說過去可能沒有人關注沒有人提醒那我們現在關注現在提醒所以我請金管會要聯同原民會"},{"start":187.129,"end":213.188,"text":"去參考澳洲、加拿大、紐西蘭這些國家在永續金融架構中納入尊重原住民族權利的具體措施來修改綠色金融行動方案並在三個月內提出那我要跟主委您說我要謝謝因為還沒有到三個月我已經收到金管會的回函了"},{"start":213.968,"end":233.201,"text":"那麼有提到第一堅固原住民保留地發展及維護生物多樣性第二鼓勵銀行協助原住民取得資金第三研議原住民保留地設定擔保的可行性協調銀行積極配合辦理政策性貸款第四"},{"start":233.681,"end":257.773,"text":"提升多元族群權益的目標．納入永續金融評鑑指標．第五協力金融教育推動小組提升原住民族群的金融教育推廣好那我要請教一下主委您看過這個回覆的內容了嗎這個內容是應該是我昨天還前天我一個字一個字看完才記得"},{"start":258.593,"end":261.396,"text":"同仁們針對委員所提的各種的訴求他們都有想盡辦法去回應比如說他對於這個元寶地的貸款"},{"start":276.334,"end":301.499,"text":"他們也提出很多的期待建議比如說希望未來跟原民會做合作比如說能夠像我們講因為銀行在貸放需要有透明的價格資訊希望我們也協調比如說內政部能夠在實價登錄能夠放上原保地的交易價格還有提到就是說我們也看到了也有金融機構已經針對原保地也有做一些抵押貸款也有開始有一些量出來還有就是說我們也未來會持續跟原委會"},{"start":302.239,"end":304.44,"text":"主委,謝謝您的回應,非常的清楚。我是要再做一些提醒,好還要更好。"},{"start":325.609,"end":342.775,"text":"我舉個例子就是銀行這邊可協助原住民參考永續經濟活動認定參考指引來認定永續經濟活動的要件那麼我們進去細看我以原住民的觀點去細看"},{"start":344.039,"end":344.059,"text":"是"},{"start":360.63,"end":373.936,"text":"現在小型露營場合法化．很多原住民針對林地、農牧用地．他有做最低限度利用開發的小型露營場．他也是一種低碳跟循環經濟的活動．對吧?同意那我要講的就是說．他應該是適用永續經濟活動．認定參考指引的,沒錯吧?"},{"start":386.036,"end":405.122,"text":"委員這個可以允許我們處長來跟您回答這個問題好 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