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境 外 交 其 實 是 有 意 義 的 因 為 我 也 是 從 總 統 府 這 個 曾 經 工 作 出 來 的 嘛 然 後 擔 任 副 秘 書 長 那 時 候 其 實 總 統 出 訪 業 務 也 是 我 的 業 務 項 目 啦 所 以 為 什 麼 我 那 麼 關 心 這 件 事 因 為 我 看 歷 屆 總 統 這 個 不 管 池 水 扁 馬 英 九 都 會 藉 由 所 謂 過 境 美 國 來 尤 其 在 卸 任 的 時 候 為 自 己 的 外 交 做 總 結\n\n12\n00:03:47,751 --> 00:04:11,043\n那 我 是 個 人 是 覺 得 很 可 惜 為 什 麼 蔡 英 文 總 統 這 麼 重 視 台 美 關 係 這 麼 強 調 台 美 關 係 順 暢 無 礙 可 她 卸 任 前 的 這 一 年 之 內 她 沒 有 做 沒 有 出 訪 然 後 過 境 美 國 呢 因 為 台 美 關 係 都 相 當 穩 定 然 後 我 們 邦 交 國 的 關 係 他 有 這 個 到 瓜 地 馬 拉 跟 貝 里 斯 嘛 那 剛 去 嘛\n\n13\n00:04:12,386 --> 00:04:13,768\n蔡 總 統 是 這 三 任 總 統 唯 一 在 卸 任 前 的 一 年 內 沒 有 過 境 美 國\n\n14\n00:04:28,030 --> 00:04:52,623\n這 一 點 我 覺 得 當 然 會 讓 我 們 覺 得 是 不 是 臺 美 關 係 之 間 我 們 是 不 是 少 了 一 個 重 要 的 一 個 展 現 的 一 個 機 會 那 當 然 原 因 是 蔡 英 文 總 統 不 想 去 還 是 美 國 不 讓 她 去 還 是 什 麼 樣 有 什 麼 壓 力 我 不 知 道 那 可 能 是 你 們 外 交 部 要 去 來 去 對 外 面 來 說 明 當 然 過 去 就 過 去 了 那 我 就 要 想 請 教 一 下 那 戴 慶 德 總 統 他 新 當 選 總 有 過 境 美 國 的 計 畫 吧\n\n15\n00:04:58,283 --> 00:05:13,854\n我 們 外 交 部 每 一 年 都 會 有 規 劃 元 首 出 訪 那 現 在 正 在 評 估 中 評 估 中 那 我 想 請 教 一 下 你 來 聽 聽 看 陳 水 扁 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全力以握\n","txt":"請部長是我想請教一下部長總統出訪邦交國重不重要重要那總統我們總統過去會有時候藉由出訪邦交國來過境美國嘛那重不重要重要那重要原因是什麼為什麼總統出訪邦交國要去過境美國呢\n因為現實上就沒有直航嘛沒有辦法直飛一定要藉由轉機那美國對我們轉機也是相當的重視跟禮遇對實際上我們也可以在這個總統來去訪問美國過境美國的這個過程當中也可以對很多的外交的一些成果的一些我們的展示嘛對不對維繫跟美國的良好溝通嘛對不對對好 非常謝謝部長\n所以因此我覺得像陳水扁我們的前總統他在卸任的時候然後他是在卸任的那一年的1月2008年你知道他訪問友邦然後有過境美國你知道過境美國哪裡嗎去回\n我告訴你安克拉茲實際上陳水扁過境美國也是要來展現說他卸任的時候我們跟臺美的關係以及我們的外交成果他也是要做一個相當的成果展示對不對當時的情況是啦 這你不用擔心\n然後第二個就是說馬英九前總統他在卸任前他是在2016年3月訪問瓜地馬拉跟貝里斯而且還去中美洲議會演講那去回他也過境美國過境美國哪裡你知道嗎\n我告訴你還好休斯頓跟洛杉磯那他也對他的八年的外交政績做了總結因為實際上我們的外交關係美國是非常重要的對不對美國的盟誼是我們非常重要的一部分所以這是為什麼要有所謂的\n陳水扁和馬英九在卸任前一年都曾經過境美國,請問蔡英文總統卸任前一年有沒有過境美國?\n今年是沒有,卸任的前一年,前一年當然是有,我告訴你沒有了。卸任的一年內,馬英九總統是在2016年3月,\n蔡英文總統她實質上最後一次出訪過境美國是去年的3月我講的是一年內尤其是在卸任之前那我想請問一下我們的部長\n為什麼陳水扁前總統就卸任當年的1月馬英九前總統卸任當年的3月都出訪美國那蔡英文總統我記得她已經多次來談說台美關係實際上是她任內她是達到最高峰嘛對不對那我想請問為什麼沒有過境的安排\n這個是蔡總統的決定嘛對可是剛剛你也講過境外交其實是有意義的因為我也是從總統府這個曾經工作出來的嘛然後擔任副秘書長那時候其實總統出訪業務也是我的業務項目啦所以為什麼我那麼關心這件事因為我看歷屆總統這個不管池水扁馬英九都會藉由所謂過境美國來尤其在卸任的時候為自己的外交做總結\n那我是個人是覺得很可惜為什麼蔡英文總統這麼重視台美關係這麼強調台美關係順暢無礙可她卸任前的這一年之內她沒有做沒有出訪然後過境美國呢因為台美關係都相當穩定然後我們邦交國的關係他有這個到瓜地馬拉跟貝里斯嘛那剛去嘛\n蔡總統是這三任總統唯一在卸任前的一年內沒有過境美國\n這一點我覺得當然會讓我們覺得是不是臺美關係之間我們是不是少了一個重要的一個展現的一個機會那當然原因是蔡英文總統不想去還是美國不讓她去還是什麼樣有什麼壓力我不知道那可能是你們外交部要去來去對外面來說明當然過去就過去了那我就要想請教一下那戴慶德總統他新當選總有過境美國的計畫吧\n我們外交部每一年都會有規劃元首出訪那現在正在評估中評估中那我想請教一下你來聽聽看陳水扁總統2000年上任的時候他是在幾月過境美國\n我想請教一下我們部長\n那我們的賴清哲總統他的這個出訪計畫跟過境美國計畫已經在安排當中了嗎現在在呃在總統6月喔如果你要能夠這個早一點的話可能時間也蠻趕的如果是6月的話對不對8月大概還有點作業時間啦對不對還有點作業時間喔但是我真的要問部長一件事情喔你知道陳水扁我們過境外交齁過境外交前提是什麼部長\n你知道我們陳水扁他2000年首次過境外交出訪的多名尼加尼加阿瓜哥斯大尼加查德跟甘比亞布吉納法索請問這些邦交國現在在哪裡還是邦交國嗎不是全部都不是\n所以我要跟大家講說實際上我希望我們的部長也提醒一下因為你要安排過境外交第一個是要先安排出訪國家但我們出訪國家坦白講選項比以前多還比以前少\n邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務\n我們的吳部長是邦交國大減計劃,腰斬計劃,他很成功22國掉到剩12國,他腰斬計劃很成功部長,多一個就好,邦交國PLUS計劃有沒有信心我們來從故邦到榮邦,大家一起來努力,我們當然有個目標希望能夠增加你還是要像邱志偉委員這麼樣的一個主張,要能夠有雄心壯志至少不要腰斬好不好,可以嗎\n我們的努力 全力以握\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:24.262\n請 部 長 是 我 想 請 教 一 下 部 長 總 統 出 訪 邦 交 國 重 不 重 要 重 要 那 總 統 我 們 總 統 過 去 會 有 時 候 藉 由 出 訪 邦 交 國 來 過 境 美 國 嘛 那 重 不 重 要 重 要 那 重 要 原 因 是 什 麼 為 什 麼 總 統 出 訪 邦 交 國 要 去 過 境 美 國 呢\n\n00:25.407 --> 00:46.200\n因 為 現 實 上 就 沒 有 直 航 嘛 沒 有 辦 法 直 飛 一 定 要 藉 由 轉 機 那 美 國 對 我 們 轉 機 也 是 相 當 的 重 視 跟 禮 遇 對 實 際 上 我 們 也 可 以 在 這 個 總 統 來 去 訪 問 美 國 過 境 美 國 的 這 個 過 程 當 中 也 可 以 對 很 多 的 外 交 的 一 些 成 果 的 一 些 我 們 的 展 示 嘛 對 不 對 維 繫 跟 美 國 的 良 好 溝 通 嘛 對 不 對 對 好 非 常 謝 謝 部 長\n\n00:51.263 --> 01:09.500\n所 以 因 此 我 覺 得 像 陳 水 扁 我 們 的 前 總 統 他 在 卸 任 的 時 候 然 後 他 是 在 卸 任 的 那 一 年 的 1 月 2 0 0 8 年 你 知 道 他 訪 問 友 邦 然 後 有 過 境 美 國 你 知 道 過 境 美 國 哪 裡 嗎 去 回\n\n01:12.624 --> 01:26.899\n我 告 訴 你 安 克 拉 茲 實 際 上 陳 水 扁 過 境 美 國 也 是 要 來 展 現 說 他 卸 任 的 時 候 我 們 跟 臺 美 的 關 係 以 及 我 們 的 外 交 成 果 他 也 是 要 做 一 個 相 當 的 成 果 展 示 對 不 對 當 時 的 情 況 是 啦 這 你 不 用 擔 心\n\n01:34.383 --> 01:49.716\n然 後 第 二 個 就 是 說 馬 英 九 前 總 統 他 在 卸 任 前 他 是 在 2 0 1 6 年 3 月 訪 問 瓜 地 馬 拉 跟 貝 里 斯 而 且 還 去 中 美 洲 議 會 演 講 那 去 回 他 也 過 境 美 國 過 境 美 國 哪 裡 你 知 道 嗎\n\n01:51.394 --> 02:07.553\n我 告 訴 你 還 好 休 斯 頓 跟 洛 杉 磯 那 他 也 對 他 的 八 年 的 外 交 政 績 做 了 總 結 因 為 實 際 上 我 們 的 外 交 關 係 美 國 是 非 常 重 要 的 對 不 對 美 國 的 盟 誼 是 我 們 非 常 重 要 的 一 部 分 所 以 這 是 為 什 麼 要 有 所 謂 的\n\n02:08.333 --> 02:11.836\n陳 水 扁 和 馬 英 九 在 卸 任 前 一 年 都 曾 經 過 境 美 國 , 請 問 蔡 英 文 總 統 卸 任 前 一 年 有 沒 有 過 境 美 國 ?\n\n02:26.096 --> 02:36.079\n今 年 是 沒 有 , 卸 任 的 前 一 年 , 前 一 年 當 然 是 有 , 我 告 訴 你 沒 有 了 。 卸 任 的 一 年 內 , 馬 英 九 總 統 是 在 2 0 1 6 年 3 月 ,\n\n02:43.761 --> 02:58.443\n蔡 英 文 總 統 她 實 質 上 最 後 一 次 出 訪 過 境 美 國 是 去 年 的 3 月 我 講 的 是 一 年 內 尤 其 是 在 卸 任 之 前 那 我 想 請 問 一 下 我 們 的 部 長\n\n02:59.865 --> 03:19.620\n為 什 麼 陳 水 扁 前 總 統 就 卸 任 當 年 的 1 月 馬 英 九 前 總 統 卸 任 當 年 的 3 月 都 出 訪 美 國 那 蔡 英 文 總 統 我 記 得 她 已 經 多 次 來 談 說 台 美 關 係 實 際 上 是 她 任 內 她 是 達 到 最 高 峰 嘛 對 不 對 那 我 想 請 問 為 什 麼 沒 有 過 境 的 安 排\n\n03:21.316 --> 03:46.750\n這 個 是 蔡 總 統 的 決 定 嘛 對 可 是 剛 剛 你 也 講 過 境 外 交 其 實 是 有 意 義 的 因 為 我 也 是 從 總 統 府 這 個 曾 經 工 作 出 來 的 嘛 然 後 擔 任 副 秘 書 長 那 時 候 其 實 總 統 出 訪 業 務 也 是 我 的 業 務 項 目 啦 所 以 為 什 麼 我 那 麼 關 心 這 件 事 因 為 我 看 歷 屆 總 統 這 個 不 管 池 水 扁 馬 英 九 都 會 藉 由 所 謂 過 境 美 國 來 尤 其 在 卸 任 的 時 候 為 自 己 的 外 交 做 總 結\n\n03:47.751 --> 04:11.043\n那 我 是 個 人 是 覺 得 很 可 惜 為 什 麼 蔡 英 文 總 統 這 麼 重 視 台 美 關 係 這 麼 強 調 台 美 關 係 順 暢 無 礙 可 她 卸 任 前 的 這 一 年 之 內 她 沒 有 做 沒 有 出 訪 然 後 過 境 美 國 呢 因 為 台 美 關 係 都 相 當 穩 定 然 後 我 們 邦 交 國 的 關 係 他 有 這 個 到 瓜 地 馬 拉 跟 貝 里 斯 嘛 那 剛 去 嘛\n\n04:12.386 --> 04:13.768\n蔡 總 統 是 這 三 任 總 統 唯 一 在 卸 任 前 的 一 年 內 沒 有 過 境 美 國\n\n04:28.030 --> 04:52.623\n這 一 點 我 覺 得 當 然 會 讓 我 們 覺 得 是 不 是 臺 美 關 係 之 間 我 們 是 不 是 少 了 一 個 重 要 的 一 個 展 現 的 一 個 機 會 那 當 然 原 因 是 蔡 英 文 總 統 不 想 去 還 是 美 國 不 讓 她 去 還 是 什 麼 樣 有 什 麼 壓 力 我 不 知 道 那 可 能 是 你 們 外 交 部 要 去 來 去 對 外 面 來 說 明 當 然 過 去 就 過 去 了 那 我 就 要 想 請 教 一 下 那 戴 慶 德 總 統 他 新 當 選 總 有 過 境 美 國 的 計 畫 吧\n\n04:58.283 --> 05:13.854\n我 們 外 交 部 每 一 年 都 會 有 規 劃 元 首 出 訪 那 現 在 正 在 評 估 中 評 估 中 那 我 想 請 教 一 下 你 來 聽 聽 看 陳 水 扁 總 統 2 0 0 0 年 上 任 的 時 候 他 是 在 幾 月 過 境 美 國\n\n05:16.510 --> 05:18.271\n我 想 請 教 一 下 我 們 部 長\n\n05:45.999 --> 06:14.043\n那 我 們 的 賴 清 哲 總 統 他 的 這 個 出 訪 計 畫 跟 過 境 美 國 計 畫 已 經 在 安 排 當 中 了 嗎 現 在 在 呃 在 總 統 6 月 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