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樣 的 方 式 來 對 於 這 個 2 . 4 億 怎 麼 樣 做 償 還\n\n4\n00:00:57,249 --> 00:01:19,471\n因 為 這 是 幫 水 利 署 墊 的 啦 然 後 你 也 知 道 這 個 民 生 用 水 這 本 來 是 中 央 的 事 項 我 已 經 講 過 很 多 遍 不 是 我 們 金 門 地 方 政 府 應 該 負 擔 的 啦 所 以 也 請 你 不 要 從 我 們 的 統 籌 分 配 款 來 扣 啦 用 什 麼 樣 的 方 式 我 們 會 跟 金 門 縣 的 財 政 局 好 好 的 溝 通 聊 幾 句 金 木 每 年 的 這 個 撥 補 的 差 還 有 限 啦 還 是 我 們 還 是 要 出 一 點 啦\n\n5\n00:01:20,291 --> 00:01:20,912\n陳 玉 珍\n\n6\n00:01:38,402 --> 00:01:38,442\n陳 玉 珍\n\n7\n00:01:57,253 --> 00:01:57,413\n陳 玉 珍\n\n8\n00:02:13,742 --> 00:02:28,570\n我 們 會 在 1 1 4 年 的 時 候 會 優 先 買 兩 台 那 是 等 新 的 那 本 來 去 年 就 有 編 這 個 預 算 那 X 1 1 真 的 沒 有 多 少 錢 那 只 要 故 障 因 為 還 要 找 台 灣 的 人 過 去 維 修 所 以 會 非 常 的 慢\n\n9\n00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:29,310\n請 官 務 署 說 明 一 下\n\n10\n00:02:59,463 --> 00:03:24,028\n報 告 委 員 , 我 們 現 在 都 有 編 列 預 算 , 今 年 也 編 列 了 兩 部 這 個 S 光 機 的 預 算 我 們 金 門 地 區 的 嗎 ? 那 是 不 是 今 年 的 話 就 那 我 們 盡 快 趕 那 個 招 標 的 一 個 程 序 , 希 望 在 年 底 前 能 夠 處 理 每 次 如 果 到 時 候 萬 一 開 放 入 客 , 或 者 是 暑 假 也 有 很 多 人 在 那 裡 來 來 去 C I Q S , 而 且 那 個 海 關 事 實 上 真 的 蠻 忙 碌 , 那 個 地 點 很 小\n\n11\n00:03:25,788 --> 00:03:25,968\n金 門 地 區 設 立 銀 行\n\n12\n00:03:46,388 --> 00:03:46,668\n陳 玉 珍\n\n13\n00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:32,117\n也 這 個 普 惠 金 融 來 講 讓 大 家 有 比 較 容 易 接 近 的 那 那 個 你 們 在 做 這 個 E S G 相 關 的 你 們 在 做 這 個 評 比 我 看 到 金 融 機 構 對 這 個 相 關 產 業 的 壽 性 的 這 個 評 比 裡 頭 有 考 慮 到 這 個 E S G 那 你 們 在 做 自 己 的 銀 行 的 評 比 裡 頭 對 於 這 個 在 金 門 去 設 分 行 這 個 這 是 屬 於 社 會 性 的 這 個 部 分 有 沒 有 列 入 相 關 的 這 個 考 量 啊\n\n14\n00:04:33,647 --> 00:04:59,051\n關 於 公 股 行 庫 的 部 分 我 們 其 實 在 金 門 應 該 設 的 分 行 算 是 應 該 比 民 營 銀 行 就 我 所 知 我 們 大 概 至 少 有 4 家 在 金 門 地 區 對 那 其 他 的 民 營 銀 行 有 也 有 幾 家 啦 也 有 幾 家 是 不 是 那 我 們 在 那 邊 總 共 是 有 5 間 公 股 銀 行 在 金 門 有 5 間 的 對 對 我 要 說 的 就 是 說 我 請 金 管 會 請 這 個 主 委 上 來 一 下 我 請 主 委\n\n15\n00:05:00,618 --> 00:05:25,065\n上 回 我 也 在 這 邊 有 問 所 以 我 們 要 鼓 勵 這 個 你 們 儘 管 會 在 評 比 這 些 像 比 如 說 金 融 機 構 給 這 個 壽 信 給 這 個 民 間 壽 信 的 時 候 你 們 會 考 慮 E S G 就 是 說 社 會 性 也 是 考 慮 一 樣 所 以 我 上 回 應 該 是 跟 黃 主 委 也 有 說 過 就 是 說 那 你 們 在 鼓 勵 金 融 機 構 到 我 們 這 些 離 島 偏 遠 基 地 區 去 設 分 堂 的 時 候 它 的 獲 利 不 會 那 麼 好 有 時 候\n\n16\n00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:26,206\n財 政 部 和 金 管 會 對 這 個 意 見 怎 麼 樣 ?\n\n17\n00:05:46,783 --> 00:05:51,465\n您 了 解 我 的 意 思 嗎 我 知 道 您 的 意 思 就 是 說 我 們 在 考 評 的 時 候 對 於 我 們 的 公 股 行 庫 到 比 如 說 離 島 去 願 意 設 分 行 來 服 務 當 地 的 鄉 親 是 不 是 要 給 予 加 分 這 個 部 分 這 個 部 分 我 們 是 不 是 在 我 們 的 考 評 的 相 關 的 裡 面 我 們 去 一 個\n\n18\n00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:04,731\n銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行\n\n19\n00:06:21,229 --> 00:06:21,610\n陳 玉 珍\n\n20\n00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:40,050\n金 管 會 主 席\n\n21\n00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:21,478\n這 個 應 該 是 財 政 部 的 綠 能 產 業 受 那 個 風 險 氣 候 風 險 影 響 對 這 個 客 戶 還 款 能 力 有 影 響 導 致 違 約 率 上 升 或 是 單 保 品 價 值 下 滑 對 金 融 機 構 的 信 用 風 險 產 生 影 響 那 請 問 你 們 要 如 何 兼 顧 這 個 兼 顧 風 險 金 融 對 引 導 金 融 機 構 兼 顧 風 險 原 則 下 那 那 個 引 導 他 們 投 入 這 個 金 融 的 這 個 產 業 也 投 入 這 個 綠 能 的 產 業 有 關 綠 能 產 業 的 部 分\n\n22\n00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:51,527\n金 融 機 構 在 做 貸 放 的 時 候 他 一 定 會 要 根 據 他 的 5 P 原 則 以 及 風 險 的 評 估 都 要 來 做 考 量 那 至 於 投 入 綠 能 相 關 的 產 業 的 部 分 我 想 這 是 國 家 的 一 個 政 策 那 我 覺 得 金 融 機 構 在 做 的 時 候 也 不 能 違 背 相 關 的 放 款 的 一 個 基 本 原 則 那 綠 能 有 關 綠 能 產 業 有 列 入 國 家 六 大 策 略 產 業 的 計 畫 裡 頭 吧\n\n23\n00:07:58,431 --> 00:08:24,957\n所 以 我 想 請 問 金 管 會 我 們 上 個 禮 拜 在 修 那 個 應 該 是 兩 個 禮 拜 前 在 修 那 個 投 資 信 託 的 投 顧 相 關 的 這 個 法 律 的 時 候 我 們 那 時 候 是 要 求 說 就 是 在 修 這 個 不 動 產 這 個 R E I T 的 證 券 化 的 那 個 的 時 候 我 們 那 時 候 有 一 條 那 是 那 時 候 您 還 沒 有 到 的 時 候 有 一 條 說 不 動 產 的 這 個 部 分 我 們 是 要 求 說 在 裡 頭 加 上 這 個 基 礎 及 基 礎 設 施\n\n24\n00:08:26,517 --> 00:08:52,244\n您 了 解 我 的 說 法 , 就 是 這 個 部 分 因 為 我 了 解 這 個 世 界 各 國 在 這 個 部 分 這 個 不 動 產 證 券 化 裡 頭 事 實 上 很 多 基 礎 設 施 啊 日 本 啊 很 多 其 他 的 國 家 都 也 已 經 有 列 入 這 些 項 目 在 裡 頭 所 以 我 們 上 次 在 修 法 的 時 候 那 時 候 金 管 會 對 這 個 一 直 有 一 點 意 見 那 如 果 您 針 對 這 部 分 是 不 是 回 去 可 以 研 究 一 下 因 為 國 際 上 的 整 個 趨 勢 是 這 樣 子 您 了 解 我 的 說 什 麼 嗎\n\n25\n00:08:52,944 --> 00:09:19,883\n我 去 了 解 一 下 就 是 這 個 部 分 的 話 就 是 整 個 那 時 候 在 修 這 個 整 部 法 令 的 時 候 那 時 候 金 管 會 一 直 的 主 張 就 是 說 一 定 是 要 什 麼 這 個 不 動 產 的 話 一 定 要 是 什 麼 土 地 及 其 附 著 物 但 是 在 世 界 各 國 這 個 不 動 產 證 券 化 的 這 個 項 目 事 實 上 除 了 核 心 的 部 分 以 外 事 實 上 也 還 包 括 了 其 他 的 這 個 項 目 所 以 在 這 個 法 令 的 修 正 部 分 本 身 還 會 再 提 出 相 關 的 這 個 意 見 希 望 這 個\n\n26\n00:09:21,104 --> 00:09:21,244\n黃 國 昌 委 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--> 00:01.553\n有 請 財 政 部 部 長\n\n00:07.617 --> 00:33.584\n是 委 員 好 部 長 好 上 個 月 二 十 二 號 本 席 有 在 這 裡 質 詢 您 有 關 於 這 個 金 門 自 來 水 廠 向 我 們 財 政 部 地 方 建 設 基 金 借 貸 2 . 4 億 那 現 在 基 金 解 編 嘛 那 金 門 縣 政 府 希 望 財 政 部 配 合 水 利 署 進 入 水 利 府 撥 款 期 程 展 延 還 款 的 期 限 那 並 且 在 虧 損 撥 補 前 不 要 扣 我 們 縣 政 府 中 央 統 籌 分 配 稅 款 那 您 那 時 候 表 示 要 研 議 已 經 一 個 月 了 現 在 進 度 怎 麼 樣 呢\n\n00:35.011 --> 00:50.308\n這 部 分 我 們 的 國 庫 署 也 有 跟 金 門 縣 政 府 的 財 政 處 都 有 了 解 過 那 這 個 部 分 他 們 其 實 金 門 縣 政 府 他 也 表 達 的 非 常 就 是 說 他 會 再 去 研 議 那 當 然 他 還 要 跟 他 們 的 縣 府 來 簽 辦 這 樣 子 要 怎 麼 樣 的 方 式 來 對 於 這 個 2 . 4 億 怎 麼 樣 做 償 還\n\n00:57.249 --> 01:19.471\n因 為 這 是 幫 水 利 署 墊 的 啦 然 後 你 也 知 道 這 個 民 生 用 水 這 本 來 是 中 央 的 事 項 我 已 經 講 過 很 多 遍 不 是 我 們 金 門 地 方 政 府 應 該 負 擔 的 啦 所 以 也 請 你 不 要 從 我 們 的 統 籌 分 配 款 來 扣 啦 用 什 麼 樣 的 方 式 我 們 會 跟 金 門 縣 的 財 政 局 好 好 的 溝 通 聊 幾 句 金 木 每 年 的 這 個 撥 補 的 差 還 有 限 啦 還 是 我 們 還 是 要 出 一 點 啦\n\n01:20.291 --> 01:20.912\n陳 玉 珍\n\n01:38.402 --> 01:38.442\n陳 玉 珍\n\n01:57.253 --> 01:57.413\n陳 玉 珍\n\n02:13.742 --> 02:28.570\n我 們 會 在 1 1 4 年 的 時 候 會 優 先 買 兩 台 那 是 等 新 的 那 本 來 去 年 就 有 編 這 個 預 算 那 X 1 1 真 的 沒 有 多 少 錢 那 只 要 故 障 因 為 還 要 找 台 灣 的 人 過 去 維 修 所 以 會 非 常 的 慢\n\n02:29.150 --> 02:29.310\n請 官 務 署 說 明 一 下\n\n02:59.463 --> 03:24.028\n報 告 委 員 , 我 們 現 在 都 有 編 列 預 算 , 今 年 也 編 列 了 兩 部 這 個 S 光 機 的 預 算 我 們 金 門 地 區 的 嗎 ? 那 是 不 是 今 年 的 話 就 那 我 們 盡 快 趕 那 個 招 標 的 一 個 程 序 , 希 望 在 年 底 前 能 夠 處 理 每 次 如 果 到 時 候 萬 一 開 放 入 客 , 或 者 是 暑 假 也 有 很 多 人 在 那 裡 來 來 去 C I Q S , 而 且 那 個 海 關 事 實 上 真 的 蠻 忙 碌 , 那 個 地 點 很 小\n\n03:25.788 --> 03:25.968\n金 門 地 區 設 立 銀 行\n\n03:46.388 --> 03:46.668\n陳 玉 珍\n\n04:06.900 --> 04:32.117\n也 這 個 普 惠 金 融 來 講 讓 大 家 有 比 較 容 易 接 近 的 那 那 個 你 們 在 做 這 個 E S G 相 關 的 你 們 在 做 這 個 評 比 我 看 到 金 融 機 構 對 這 個 相 關 產 業 的 壽 性 的 這 個 評 比 裡 頭 有 考 慮 到 這 個 E S G 那 你 們 在 做 自 己 的 銀 行 的 評 比 裡 頭 對 於 這 個 在 金 門 去 設 分 行 這 個 這 是 屬 於 社 會 性 的 這 個 部 分 有 沒 有 列 入 相 關 的 這 個 考 量 啊\n\n04:33.647 --> 04:59.051\n關 於 公 股 行 庫 的 部 分 我 們 其 實 在 金 門 應 該 設 的 分 行 算 是 應 該 比 民 營 銀 行 就 我 所 知 我 們 大 概 至 少 有 4 家 在 金 門 地 區 對 那 其 他 的 民 營 銀 行 有 也 有 幾 家 啦 也 有 幾 家 是 不 是 那 我 們 在 那 邊 總 共 是 有 5 間 公 股 銀 行 在 金 門 有 5 間 的 對 對 我 要 說 的 就 是 說 我 請 金 管 會 請 這 個 主 委 上 來 一 下 我 請 主 委\n\n05:00.618 --> 05:25.065\n上 回 我 也 在 這 邊 有 問 所 以 我 們 要 鼓 勵 這 個 你 們 儘 管 會 在 評 比 這 些 像 比 如 說 金 融 機 構 給 這 個 壽 信 給 這 個 民 間 壽 信 的 時 候 你 們 會 考 慮 E S G 就 是 說 社 會 性 也 是 考 慮 一 樣 所 以 我 上 回 應 該 是 跟 黃 主 委 也 有 說 過 就 是 說 那 你 們 在 鼓 勵 金 融 機 構 到 我 們 這 些 離 島 偏 遠 基 地 區 去 設 分 堂 的 時 候 它 的 獲 利 不 會 那 麼 好 有 時 候\n\n05:25.825 --> 05:26.206\n財 政 部 和 金 管 會 對 這 個 意 見 怎 麼 樣 ?\n\n05:46.783 --> 05:51.465\n您 了 解 我 的 意 思 嗎 我 知 道 您 的 意 思 就 是 說 我 們 在 考 評 的 時 候 對 於 我 們 的 公 股 行 庫 到 比 如 說 離 島 去 願 意 設 分 行 來 服 務 當 地 的 鄉 親 是 不 是 要 給 予 加 分 這 個 部 分 這 個 部 分 我 們 是 不 是 在 我 們 的 考 評 的 相 關 的 裡 面 我 們 去 一 個\n\n06:04.430 --> 06:04.731\n銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行 銀 行\n\n06:21.229 --> 06:21.610\n陳 玉 珍\n\n06:39.770 --> 06:40.050\n金 管 會 主 席\n\n07:02.950 --> 07:21.478\n這 個 應 該 是 財 政 部 的 綠 能 產 業 受 那 個 風 險 氣 候 風 險 影 響 對 這 個 客 戶 還 款 能 力 有 影 響 導 致 違 約 率 上 升 或 是 單 保 品 價 值 下 滑 對 金 融 機 構 的 信 用 風 險 產 生 影 響 那 請 問 你 們 要 如 何 兼 顧 這 個 兼 顧 風 險 金 融 對 引 導 金 融 機 構 兼 顧 風 險 原 則 下 那 那 個 引 導 他 們 投 入 這 個 金 融 的 這 個 產 業 也 投 入 這 個 綠 能 的 產 業 有 關 綠 能 產 業 的 部 分\n\n07:31.610 --> 07:51.527\n金 融 機 構 在 做 貸 放 的 時 候 他 一 定 會 要 根 據 他 的 5 P 原 則 以 及 風 險 的 評 估 都 要 來 做 考 量 那 至 於 投 入 綠 能 相 關 的 產 業 的 部 分 我 想 這 是 國 家 的 一 個 政 策 那 我 覺 得 金 融 機 構 在 做 的 時 候 也 不 能 違 背 相 關 的 放 款 的 一 個 基 本 原 則 那 綠 能 有 關 綠 能 產 業 有 列 入 國 家 六 大 策 略 產 業 的 計 畫 裡 頭 吧\n\n07:58.431 --> 08:24.957\n所 以 我 想 請 問 金 管 會 我 們 上 個 禮 拜 在 修 那 個 應 該 是 兩 個 禮 拜 前 在 修 那 個 投 資 信 託 的 投 顧 相 關 的 這 個 法 律 的 時 候 我 們 那 時 候 是 要 求 說 就 是 在 修 這 個 不 動 產 這 個 R E I T 的 證 券 化 的 那 個 的 時 候 我 們 那 時 候 有 一 條 那 是 那 時 候 您 還 沒 有 到 的 時 候 有 一 條 說 不 動 產 的 這 個 部 分 我 們 是 要 求 說 在 裡 頭 加 上 這 個 基 礎 及 基 礎 設 施\n\n08:26.517 --> 08:52.244\n您 了 解 我 的 說 法 , 就 是 這 個 部 分 因 為 我 了 解 這 個 世 界 各 國 在 這 個 部 分 這 個 不 動 產 證 券 化 裡 頭 事 實 上 很 多 基 礎 設 施 啊 日 本 啊 很 多 其 他 的 國 家 都 也 已 經 有 列 入 這 些 項 目 在 裡 頭 所 以 我 們 上 次 在 修 法 的 時 候 那 時 候 金 管 會 對 這 個 一 直 有 一 點 意 見 那 如 果 您 針 對 這 部 分 是 不 是 回 去 可 以 研 究 一 下 因 為 國 際 上 的 整 個 趨 勢 是 這 樣 子 您 了 解 我 的 說 什 麼 嗎\n\n08:52.944 --> 09:19.883\n我 去 了 解 一 下 就 是 這 個 部 分 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