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法 突 然 到 有 一 天 的 時 候 政 策 大 轉 彎\n\n5\n00:01:28,268 --> 00:01:48,631\n什 麼 都 不 管 了 什 麼 都 不 管 了 什 麼 都 不 管 造 成 的 悲 劇 就 是 什 麼 造 成 的 悲 劇 就 是 這 麼 多 人 受 害 然 後 詐 騙 的 首 腦 跟 這 些 高 官 權 貴 啊 吃 香 喝 辣 人 民 看 不 下 去 啊 現 在 不 是 只 有 I M B 囉 來 我 們 繼 續 往 下 看\n\n6\n00:01:49,810 --> 00:02:10,874\nP 2 P 再 度 暴 雷 ． 新 科 技 發 出 聲 明 暫 停 提 領 出 金 再 權 再 轉 讓 來 ． 新 科 技 所 發 生 這 一 個 新 的 導 致 很 多 的 被 害 人 可 能 血 本 無 歸 全 場 無 門 這 件 事 情 金 管 會 有 沒 有 去 了 解\n\n7\n00:02:16,986 --> 00:02:33,810\n主 委 我 跟 您 講 一 件 事 齁 您 剛 上 任 我 一 定 給 你 時 間 所 以 一 開 始 你 要 找 別 人 代 打 除 非 是 政 策 的 問 題 我 都 會 同 意 但 是 過 一 段 時 間 以 後 就 不 可 以 這 樣 囉 主 委 這 樣 可 以 嗎 君 子 之 約 來 請 局 長\n\n8\n00:02:37,138 --> 00:02:50,183\n報 告 委 員 蓄 心 科 技 它 被 這 個 移 送 喔 那 其 實 我 們 在 之 前 在 訂 定 指 導 原 則 的 時 候 我 們 有 請 針 對 問 題 回 答 蓄 心 科 技 的 事 情 你 們 有 沒 有 去 了 解\n\n9\n00:02:51,071 --> 00:03:10,663\n我 們 有 從 報 紙 上 了 解 所 以 你 們 了 解 的 方 式 是 閱 讀 報 章 雜 誌 跟 我 一 樣 因 為 他 不 是 我 們 監 理 的 機 關 那 他 是 誰 監 理 的 機 關 你 講 到 重 點 了 他 不 是 你 們 監 理 的 機 關 他 是 誰 監 理 的 機 關 經 濟 部 嗎 所 以 我 是 不 是 應 該 去 問 經 濟 部 部 長 有 沒 有 去 了 解 請 回 答\n\n10\n00:03:15,156 --> 00:03:35,248\n我 們 就 是 透 過 之 前 我 們 有 瞭 解 他 們 的 營 運 模 式 可 是 後 續 檢 調 去 調 查 我 不 是 在 問 你 檢 調 的 問 題 吧 我 剛 問 你 說 我 請 教 你 有 沒 有 去 瞭 解 你 說 沒 有 你 看 報 章 雜 誌 因 為 你 們 不 是 主 管 機 關 那 我 就 問 你 誰 是 主 管 機 關 嘛 我 這 個 問 題 應 該 要 問 誰 才 對 嘛 請 您 針 對 問 題 回 答 有 這 麼 困 難 嗎\n\n11\n00:03:41,343 --> 00:03:58,923\n他 目 前 就 是 依 照 公 司 法 設 立 登 記 的 機 關 所 以 你 們 所 頒 布 的 那 個 自 律 規 範 因 為 只 是 自 律 規 範 嘛 因 為 只 是 自 律 規 範 嘛 所 以 你 們 也 不 是 主 管 機 關 嘛 那 問 題 就 來 了 你 們 也 不 是 主 管 機 關 你 憑 什 麼 頒 布 自 律 規 範 啊 請 回 答\n\n12\n00:04:04,934 --> 00:04:28,274\n報 告 委 員 因 為 這 個 在 我 們 行 政 院 那 邊 其 實 有 說 明 了 就 是 說 我 們 將 來 會 是 P 2 P 的 一 個 統 籌 我 們 會 整 合 各 個 部 會 一 起 對 這 個 P 2 P 的 業 者 所 以 現 在 誰 是 主 管 機 關 目 前 還 是 按 照 一 般 經 濟 部 登 記 了 那 怎 麼 會 我 們 因 為 他 的 沒 關 係 我 下 一 次 會 去 問 經 濟 部 部 長 希 望 新 的 經 濟 部 部 長 會 擔 起 來 說 主 管 機 關 是 我 沒 有 錯\n\n13\n00:04:33,098 --> 00:04:53,333\n但 為 什 麼 我 特 別 作 曲 這 個 案 子 ? 因 為 這 個 案 子 現 在 像 滾 雪 球 一 樣 越 來 越 大 囉 ! 越 來 越 大 囉 ! 好 ! 這 個 書 信 科 技 在 它 停 止 出 金 所 謂 停 止 出 金 就 是 說 我 現 在 沒 錢 啦 ! 我 沒 有 錢 可 以 還 你 們 啦 ! 來 ! 我 們 來 看 一 下 它 的 聲 明 來 來 來 ! 這 個 聲 明 局 長 你 有 看 過 嗎 ?\n\n14\n00:05:00,274 --> 00:05:20,880\n還 是 因 為 不 是 你 們 主 管 所 以 連 聲 明 都 沒 看 過 報 告 委 員 他 是 被 起 訴 了 之 後 我 們 才 有 接 到 申 訴 的 案 件 對 所 以 我 問 你 他 最 新 的 聲 明 停 止 出 清 就 是 停 止 還 錢 以 後 的 聲 明 你 有 看 過 嗎 有 我 從 報 紙 上 有 看 到 你 要 看 人 家 的 聲 明 就 到 人 家 網 站 上 去 看 嘛 來 我 唸 給 你 聽 喔\n\n15\n00:05:23,695 --> 00:05:50,001\n他 說 什 麼 他 說 黃 天 牧 近 期 在 面 對 質 詢 的 時 候 說 網 路 事 業 借 貸 指 導 原 則 沒 有 法 律 效 力 不 遵 守 也 不 會 有 罰 則 這 個 黃 天 牧 說 的 我 知 道 因 為 是 我 問 他 的 所 以 那 個 自 律 規 範 有 什 麼 用 有 法 律 效 力 嗎 可 以 當 請 求 權 基 礎 嗎 他 說 沒 有 辦 法 但 你 看 這 個 業 者 他 接 下 來 講 什 麼 話 他 說\n\n16\n00:05:51,277 --> 00:06:14,082\n接 下 來 我 本 來 跟 新 加 坡 有 合 作 連 新 加 坡 都 不 跟 我 們 合 作 為 什 麼 不 跟 我 們 合 作 來 看 一 下 新 加 坡 的 金 管 局 對 當 地 金 融 服 務 更 是 用 完 善 的 法 規 做 高 度 的 監 理 對 於 類 似 的 平 台 早 有 相 關 的 法 規 以 及 對 應 的 牌 照 在 考 慮 過 相 關 法 律 風 險 以 後 新 加 坡 的 合 作 方 決 定 終 止 跟 我 們 合 作\n\n17\n00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:32,858\n這 個 是 藉 口 還 是 真 正 的 理 由 可 以 被 檢 驗 但 重 要 的 事 情 是 什 麼 但 重 要 的 事 情 是 他 直 接 在 說 我 們 政 府 人 家 是 有 完 整 的 法 規 有 監 理 有 牌 照 我 們 什 麼 什 麼 都 沒 有 什 麼 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