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的 邦 交 國 上 使 力 其 實 包 括 非 邦 交 國 也 都 很 想 跟 台 灣 合 作 你 看 中 東 歐 包 括 像 捷 克 、 立 陶 宛 雖 然 不 是 正 式 的 邦 交 國 但 其 實 我 們 的 外 交 關 係 不 輸 於 一 般 的 邦 交 國\n\n6\n00:01:56,874 --> 00:02:22,701\n所 以 部 長 你 這 樣 回 答 我 也 歡 喜 聽 到 你 是 樂 觀 與 對 本 來 就 是 要 樂 觀 與 對 我 們 才 有 戰 力 那 要 請 教 部 長 那 目 前 現 在 的 這 個 國 安 會 的 秘 書 長 吳 前 部 長 他 在 受 訪 的 時 候 他 有 說 他 有 說 他 在 卸 任 的 時 候 他 說 有 兩 個 邦 交 國 短 期 沒 問 題 長 期 有 隱 憂 請 問 你 有 掌 控 這 個 資 訊 嗎\n\n7\n00:02:24,907 --> 00:02:42,281\n對 這 1 2 個 邦 交 國 我 每 一 個 都 很 關 注 因 此 狀 況 我 都 有 掌 握 他 所 謂 的 短 期 沒 問 題 長 期 有 引 誘 他 已 經 點 出 兩 個 邦 交 國 我 們 不 希 望 發 生 所 以 這 個 引 誘 的 狀 況 是 在 5 2 0 之 後 的 變 化 嗎 你 掌 控 嗎 有 沒 有 這 回 事\n\n8\n00:02:43,722 --> 00:03:00,758\n其 實 每 一 個 都 很 重 要 都 要 努 力 我 以 前 部 長 所 說 的 有 沒 有 這 回 事 你 有 沒 有 掌 控 這 兩 個 國 家 因 為 我 不 清 楚 他 所 謂 的 這 兩 個 邦 交 但 是 是 哪 一 個 具 體 國 家 對 我 來 講 1 2 個 邦 交 國 我 們 都 要 努 力 不 只 故 邦 而 且 榮 邦\n\n9\n00:03:01,158 --> 00:03:01,438\n林 佳 龍 議 員\n\n10\n00:03:31,699 --> 00:03:35,504\n到 底 這 兩 國 你 必 須 要 去 掌 控 因 為 知 道 問 題 才 能 夠 解 決 問 題 贊 不 贊 同 這 樣 的 一 個 論 點\n\n11\n00:03:39,949 --> 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得 藉 由 像 美 國 日 本 跟 澳 洲 我 們 一 起 來 隆 邦\n\n01:35.180 --> 01:54.996\n第 三 點 我 覺 得 經 貿 外 交 是 台 灣 現 在 其 實 最 可 以 在 我 們 的 邦 交 國 上 使 力 其 實 包 括 非 邦 交 國 也 都 很 想 跟 台 灣 合 作 你 看 中 東 歐 包 括 像 捷 克 、 立 陶 宛 雖 然 不 是 正 式 的 邦 交 國 但 其 實 我 們 的 外 交 關 係 不 輸 於 一 般 的 邦 交 國\n\n01:56.874 --> 02:22.701\n所 以 部 長 你 這 樣 回 答 我 也 歡 喜 聽 到 你 是 樂 觀 與 對 本 來 就 是 要 樂 觀 與 對 我 們 才 有 戰 力 那 要 請 教 部 長 那 目 前 現 在 的 這 個 國 安 會 的 秘 書 長 吳 前 部 長 他 在 受 訪 的 時 候 他 有 說 他 有 說 他 在 卸 任 的 時 候 他 說 有 兩 個 邦 交 國 短 期 沒 問 題 長 期 有 隱 憂 請 問 你 有 掌 控 這 個 資 訊 嗎\n\n02:24.907 --> 02:42.281\n對 這 1 2 個 邦 交 國 我 每 一 個 都 很 關 注 因 此 狀 況 我 都 有 掌 握 他 所 謂 的 短 期 沒 問 題 長 期 有 引 誘 他 已 經 點 出 兩 個 邦 交 國 我 們 不 希 望 發 生 所 以 這 個 引 誘 的 狀 況 是 在 5 2 0 之 後 的 變 化 嗎 你 掌 控 嗎 有 沒 有 這 回 事\n\n02:43.722 --> 03:00.758\n其 實 每 一 個 都 很 重 要 都 要 努 力 我 以 前 部 長 所 說 的 有 沒 有 這 回 事 你 有 沒 有 掌 控 這 兩 個 國 家 因 為 我 不 清 楚 他 所 謂 的 這 兩 個 邦 交 但 是 是 哪 一 個 具 體 國 家 對 我 來 講 1 2 個 邦 交 國 我 們 都 要 努 力 不 只 故 邦 而 且 榮 邦\n\n03:01.158 --> 03:01.438\n林 佳 龍 議 員\n\n03:31.699 --> 03:35.504\n到 底 這 兩 國 你 必 須 要 去 掌 控 因 為 知 道 問 題 才 能 夠 解 決 問 題 贊 不 贊 同 這 樣 的 一 個 論 點\n\n03:39.949 --> 04:00.754\n是 , 其 實 最 近 5 2 0 總 統 就 職 典 禮 來 的 國 家 , 我 們 都 有 機 會 跟 他 進 行 很 深 入 的 討 論 這 是 好 的 現 象 , 但 是 我 還 是 提 點 部 長 , 國 務 卿 部 長 所 說 的 這 兩 個 國 家 短 期 沒 問 題 , 長 期 有 問 題 , 有 隱 憂 , 這 個 你 務 必 要 嚴 正 以 待 , 這 是 我 給 你 的 建 議 , 可 以 接 受 吧\n\n04:01.354 --> 04:01.514\n主 席\n\n04:11.650 --> 04:11.870\n有 責 謹 慎 應 對 之 。\n\n04:38.042 --> 05:01.395\n我 們 目 前 加 入 的 進 度 究 竟 是 如 何 ? 因 為 我 們 也 了 解 到 中 國 大 陸 比 台 灣 早 一 週 來 申 請 , 所 以 我 們 的 進 度 是 如 何 呢 ? 是 , 我 們 就 是 跟 今 年 的 輪 值 主 席 國 加 拿 大 有 很 密 切 的 在 諮 商 , 那 因 為 他 是 採 取 共 識 決 , 可 是 怎 麼 樣 進 入 工 作 小 組 ?\n\n05:02.575 --> 05:02.615\n李 佳 龍 議 員\n\n05:17.492 --> 05:42.380\n因 為 C P P 、 T P P 對 於 我 們 整 個 國 家 來 講 是 非 常 的 重 要 , 所 以 掌 控 的 時 間 , 大 陸 方 面 比 我 們 早 一 個 禮 拜 神 奇 , 那 我 方 要 怎 麼 應 對 , 我 想 這 個 對 台 灣 的 經 濟 很 重 要 , 在 外 交 部 的 工 作 應 該 是 列 為 重 點 工 作 之 一 吧 , 是 不 是 ? 對 , 所 以 一 起 加 油 。 那 針 對 於 本 學 非 常 關 心 的 i C a r e , 因 為 我 們 臺 中 也 有 我 們 的 機 場 , 國 際 機 場 ,\n\n05:44.201 --> 05:50.607\n埃 克 爾 德 國 際 民 航 組 織 本 席 認 為 非 常 的 重 要 請 問 目 前 參 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