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那我們也是期待就是主委可以去好好的去推動因為我覺得像這樣的一些又省碳\n190680\t213574\t有節能審探而且他還可以創造地方有新的一個經濟的一個平台那甚至很多農民都可以投入然後跟企業有更深層的合作我覺得這個是主委但儘管會也可以扮演這樣的一個角色我們來努力第二個我想要跟主委聊一下就是針對現在詐騙的一些狀況事實上好多人都一直在針對這些詐騙集團\n216115\t240747\t那也包括說金融業要怎麼做甚至現在一個詐騙他的項目越來越多他有可能是假投資投資股票就後來發現是假的甚至現在有很多用虛擬貨幣他們用什麼泰達幣說泰達幣是對照美元所以他鼓勵大家去投資泰達幣結果他進入去了結果他去購買泰達幣卻是一個假的\n243328\t271530\t由詐騙集團自己所創設的一個虛擬貨幣的交易平台那個交易平台完全是假的所以你錢進去你就匯不出來了所以好多人跟我陳情遇到這樣的狀況可是他這一個一旦他去警察局報案了哇這一個網站被揪出來然後這個網站他是架構在第三國所以後來沒辦法再清查然後裡面的錢又被頂光光了對這個被害者來說他投訴無門\n272951\t295887\t他也沒有不知道怎麼去救濟的因為人也抓不到比較多抓到那些車手抓到那些提供賬戶者提供賬戶者如果他又沒有財產的話他也沒辦法去追償回來所以問題好多啦所以打詐這件事情我想是很多部門都要投入那我現在只想跟金管會說一個點就好就是說對於虛擬貨幣的管理\n300516\t304794\t這一個虛擬貨幣的管理到底會不會在金管會你們到底要不要把他納管\n305829\t330055\t現在有關虛擬貨幣我們現階段已經在洗錢防治法裡面針對比如說那個眾所矚目的個人幣商我們要進行修法動作我想要送到這個立法院來那第二個的話可是你們只把它放在洗錢防治啊讓大家更期待的就是說就虛擬貨幣你還是要把它類似有點像是投資股票這樣的一個行為虛擬貨幣還是要有一個高度的一個監控啊\n330535\t358746\t是不是我們正在逐步納管就是那前面有很多委員關切啦我們現在有未來有擬定專法的計畫好我覺得這個也是麻煩金管會啦因為我接到好多陳情然後我們都聽了都好無奈我們真的希望說好好的去做好我們打詐這一塊不要再有這麼多的被害者那受害者甚至很多是老年家他一輩子的積蓄就被詐騙掉了我還聽都很恐怖的好不好\n359548\t361853\t今天單機發言的委員均已詢答完畢本次會議做如下決定一、報告及詢答完畢\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我們是不是有請金管會我們主委黃主委請主委主委今天我們主題是擴在說如何創造這些企業的ESG那也最近大概六月是不是就要開始要開增所謂的碳費\n這個是環境部他們在研議的對,所以我現在要扣的議題就是說因為現在環境部也審核過了有六項自然碳匯的一個方法學這中間有包括經營森林或是竹林或是土地利用的管理或者是生物碳、紅樹林、海藻\n那事實上這樣的一些方法學勒也是變得說未來因為要做到了所謂的淨零碳排然後要做到了讓企業去用了這樣的一個碳匯那也可以創造ESG\n對 那我想要請教金管會的就是說未來我們金管會會不會有怎樣的政策輔導企業或者是鼓勵企業去從事剛剛環境部我剛剛講的審核過六項自然碳匯的一個方法學就是說這個方法學勒有沒有可能由企業然後領頭然後來開始在地方然後來從事這樣的這樣的一些經營\n剛剛我已經報告就是說我們在最近在推的永續金融裡面我們會去鼓勵我們的金融業針對這些未來對ESG或是對這個減碳有幫助的這些的產業進行一些比較有利的投融資或是一些放款的這樣的一個活動我想主要是透過這樣的方式透過那個金融業的這個資金以及義和的能力來\n來協助這些的轉型金融業當然說他們資金是說去做一些待放對對對於從事這個我們對可是事實上我們也更期待說除了金融業之外還有很多事實上金管會管的有很多上市公司上市櫃公司上市櫃公司他們也是需要他們去創造他們的ESG那這個ESG有沒有辦法進一步的讓企業去跟地方的農業合作\n對,我們多管齊下啦,剛剛也有報告我們未來要發展成ESG的評鑑\n那這是針對所有上市貴公司那我們這個話其實也可以考慮把這一項納入我們評鑑的指標好 那我們也是期待就是主委可以去好好的去推動因為我覺得像這樣的一些又省碳\n有節能審探而且他還可以創造地方有新的一個經濟的一個平台那甚至很多農民都可以投入然後跟企業有更深層的合作我覺得這個是主委但儘管會也可以扮演這樣的一個角色我們來努力第二個我想要跟主委聊一下就是針對現在詐騙的一些狀況事實上好多人都一直在針對這些詐騙集團\n那也包括說金融業要怎麼做甚至現在一個詐騙他的項目越來越多他有可能是假投資投資股票就後來發現是假的甚至現在有很多用虛擬貨幣他們用什麼泰達幣說泰達幣是對照美元所以他鼓勵大家去投資泰達幣結果他進入去了結果他去購買泰達幣卻是一個假的\n由詐騙集團自己所創設的一個虛擬貨幣的交易平台那個交易平台完全是假的所以你錢進去你就匯不出來了所以好多人跟我陳情遇到這樣的狀況可是他這一個一旦他去警察局報案了哇這一個網站被揪出來然後這個網站他是架構在第三國所以後來沒辦法再清查然後裡面的錢又被頂光光了對這個被害者來說他投訴無門\n他也沒有不知道怎麼去救濟的因為人也抓不到比較多抓到那些車手抓到那些提供賬戶者提供賬戶者如果他又沒有財產的話他也沒辦法去追償回來所以問題好多啦所以打詐這件事情我想是很多部門都要投入那我現在只想跟金管會說一個點就好就是說對於虛擬貨幣的管理\n這一個虛擬貨幣的管理到底會不會在金管會你們到底要不要把他納管\n現在有關虛擬貨幣我們現階段已經在洗錢防治法裡面針對比如說那個眾所矚目的個人幣商我們要進行修法動作我想要送到這個立法院來那第二個的話可是你們只把它放在洗錢防治啊讓大家更期待的就是說就虛擬貨幣你還是要把它類似有點像是投資股票這樣的一個行為虛擬貨幣還是要有一個高度的一個監控啊\n是不是我們正在逐步納管就是那前面有很多委員關切啦我們現在有未來有擬定專法的計畫好我覺得這個也是麻煩金管會啦因為我接到好多陳情然後我們都聽了都好無奈我們真的希望說好好的去做好我們打詐這一塊不要再有這麼多的被害者那受害者甚至很多是老年家他一輩子的積蓄就被詐騙掉了我還聽都很恐怖的好不好\n今天單機發言的委員均已詢答完畢本次會議做如下決定一、報告及詢答完畢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.134 --> 00:06.337\n謝 謝 主 席 那 我 們 是 不 是 有 請 金 管 會 我 們 主 委 黃 主 委 請 主 委 主 委 今 天 我 們 主 題 是 擴 在 說 如 何 創 造 這 些 企 業 的 E S G 那 也 最 近 大 概 六 月 是 不 是 就 要 開 始 要 開 增 所 謂 的 碳 費\n\n00:33.168 --> 00:51.474\n這 個 是 環 境 部 他 們 在 研 議 的 對 , 所 以 我 現 在 要 扣 的 議 題 就 是 說 因 為 現 在 環 境 部 也 審 核 過 了 有 六 項 自 然 碳 匯 的 一 個 方 法 學 這 中 間 有 包 括 經 營 森 林 或 是 竹 林 或 是 土 地 利 用 的 管 理 或 者 是 生 物 碳 、 紅 樹 林 、 海 藻\n\n00:52.318 --> 01:08.711\n那 事 實 上 這 樣 的 一 些 方 法 學 勒 也 是 變 得 說 未 來 因 為 要 做 到 了 所 謂 的 淨 零 碳 排 然 後 要 做 到 了 讓 企 業 去 用 了 這 樣 的 一 個 碳 匯 那 也 可 以 創 造 E S G\n\n01:10.332 --> 01:36.850\n對 那 我 想 要 請 教 金 管 會 的 就 是 說 未 來 我 們 金 管 會 會 不 會 有 怎 樣 的 政 策 輔 導 企 業 或 者 是 鼓 勵 企 業 去 從 事 剛 剛 環 境 部 我 剛 剛 講 的 審 核 過 六 項 自 然 碳 匯 的 一 個 方 法 學 就 是 說 這 個 方 法 學 勒 有 沒 有 可 能 由 企 業 然 後 領 頭 然 後 來 開 始 在 地 方 然 後 來 從 事 這 樣 的 這 樣 的 一 些 經 營\n\n01:38.347 --> 02:06.302\n剛 剛 我 已 經 報 告 就 是 說 我 們 在 最 近 在 推 的 永 續 金 融 裡 面 我 們 會 去 鼓 勵 我 們 的 金 融 業 針 對 這 些 未 來 對 E S G 或 是 對 這 個 減 碳 有 幫 助 的 這 些 的 產 業 進 行 一 些 比 較 有 利 的 投 融 資 或 是 一 些 放 款 的 這 樣 的 一 個 活 動 我 想 主 要 是 透 過 這 樣 的 方 式 透 過 那 個 金 融 業 的 這 個 資 金 以 及 義 和 的 能 力 來\n\n02:07.923 --> 02:35.177\n來 協 助 這 些 的 轉 型 金 融 業 當 然 說 他 們 資 金 是 說 去 做 一 些 待 放 對 對 對 於 從 事 這 個 我 們 對 可 是 事 實 上 我 們 也 更 期 待 說 除 了 金 融 業 之 外 還 有 很 多 事 實 上 金 管 會 管 的 有 很 多 上 市 公 司 上 市 櫃 公 司 上 市 櫃 公 司 他 們 也 是 需 要 他 們 去 創 造 他 們 的 E S G 那 這 個 E S G 有 沒 有 辦 法 進 一 步 的 讓 企 業 去 跟 地 方 的 農 業 合 作\n\n02:35.757 --> 02:36.838\n對 , 我 們 多 管 齊 下 啦 , 剛 剛 也 有 報 告 我 們 未 來 要 發 展 成 E S G 的 評 鑑\n\n02:54.409 --> 03:10.150\n那 這 是 針 對 所 有 上 市 貴 公 司 那 我 們 這 個 話 其 實 也 可 以 考 慮 把 這 一 項 納 入 我 們 評 鑑 的 指 標 好 那 我 們 也 是 期 待 就 是 主 委 可 以 去 好 好 的 去 推 動 因 為 我 覺 得 像 這 樣 的 一 些 又 省 碳\n\n03:10.680 --> 03:33.574\n有 節 能 審 探 而 且 他 還 可 以 創 造 地 方 有 新 的 一 個 經 濟 的 一 個 平 台 那 甚 至 很 多 農 民 都 可 以 投 入 然 後 跟 企 業 有 更 深 層 的 合 作 我 覺 得 這 個 是 主 委 但 儘 管 會 也 可 以 扮 演 這 樣 的 一 個 角 色 我 們 來 努 力 第 二 個 我 想 要 跟 主 委 聊 一 下 就 是 針 對 現 在 詐 騙 的 一 些 狀 況 事 實 上 好 多 人 都 一 直 在 針 對 這 些 詐 騙 集 團\n\n03:36.115 --> 04:00.747\n那 也 包 括 說 金 融 業 要 怎 麼 做 甚 至 現 在 一 個 詐 騙 他 的 項 目 越 來 越 多 他 有 可 能 是 假 投 資 投 資 股 票 就 後 來 發 現 是 假 的 甚 至 現 在 有 很 多 用 虛 擬 貨 幣 他 們 用 什 麼 泰 達 幣 說 泰 達 幣 是 對 照 美 元 所 以 他 鼓 勵 大 家 去 投 資 泰 達 幣 結 果 他 進 入 去 了 結 果 他 去 購 買 泰 達 幣 卻 是 一 個 假 的\n\n04:03.328 --> 04:31.530\n由 詐 騙 集 團 自 己 所 創 設 的 一 個 虛 擬 貨 幣 的 交 易 平 台 那 個 交 易 平 台 完 全 是 假 的 所 以 你 錢 進 去 你 就 匯 不 出 來 了 所 以 好 多 人 跟 我 陳 情 遇 到 這 樣 的 狀 況 可 是 他 這 一 個 一 旦 他 去 警 察 局 報 案 了 哇 這 一 個 網 站 被 揪 出 來 然 後 這 個 網 站 他 是 架 構 在 第 三 國 所 以 後 來 沒 辦 法 再 清 查 然 後 裡 面 的 錢 又 被 頂 光 光 了 對 這 個 被 害 者 來 說 他 投 訴 無 門\n\n04:32.951 --> 04:55.887\n他 也 沒 有 不 知 道 怎 麼 去 救 濟 的 因 為 人 也 抓 不 到 比 較 多 抓 到 那 些 車 手 抓 到 那 些 提 供 賬 戶 者 提 供 賬 戶 者 如 果 他 又 沒 有 財 產 的 話 他 也 沒 辦 法 去 追 償 回 來 所 以 問 題 好 多 啦 所 以 打 詐 這 件 事 情 我 想 是 很 多 部 門 都 要 投 入 那 我 現 在 只 想 跟 金 管 會 說 一 個 點 就 好 就 是 說 對 於 虛 擬 貨 幣 的 管 理\n\n05:00.516 --> 05:04.794\n這 一 個 虛 擬 貨 幣 的 管 理 到 底 會 不 會 在 金 管 會 你 們 到 底 要 不 要 把 他 納 管\n\n05:05.829 --> 05:30.055\n現 在 有 關 虛 擬 貨 幣 我 們 現 階 段 已 經 在 洗 錢 防 治 法 裡 面 針 對 比 如 說 那 個 眾 所 矚 目 的 個 人 幣 商 我 們 要 進 行 修 法 動 作 我 想 要 送 到 這 個 立 法 院 來 那 第 二 個 的 話 可 是 你 們 只 把 它 放 在 洗 錢 防 治 啊 讓 大 家 更 期 待 的 就 是 說 就 虛 擬 貨 幣 你 還 是 要 把 它 類 似 有 點 像 是 投 資 股 票 這 樣 的 一 個 行 為 虛 擬 貨 幣 還 是 要 有 一 個 高 度 的 一 個 監 控 啊\n\n05:30.535 --> 05:58.746\n是 不 是 我 們 正 在 逐 步 納 管 就 是 那 前 面 有 很 多 委 員 關 切 啦 我 們 現 在 有 未 來 有 擬 定 專 法 的 計 畫 好 我 覺 得 這 個 也 是 麻 煩 金 管 會 啦 因 為 我 接 到 好 多 陳 情 然 後 我 們 都 聽 了 都 好 無 奈 我 們 真 的 希 望 說 好 好 的 去 做 好 我 們 打 詐 這 一 塊 不 要 再 有 這 麼 多 的 被 害 者 那 受 害 者 甚 至 很 多 是 老 年 家 他 一 輩 子 的 積 蓄 就 被 詐 騙 掉 了 我 還 聽 都 很 恐 怖 的 好 不 好\n\n05:59.548 --> 06:01.853\n今 天 單 機 發 言 的 委 員 均 已 詢 答 完 畢 本 次 會 議 做 如 下 決 定 一 、 報 告 及 詢 答 完 畢\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.134,"end":6.337,"text":"謝謝主席那我們是不是有請金管會我們主委黃主委請主委主委今天我們主題是擴在說如何創造這些企業的ESG那也最近大概六月是不是就要開始要開增所謂的碳費"},{"start":33.168,"end":51.474,"text":"這個是環境部他們在研議的對,所以我現在要扣的議題就是說因為現在環境部也審核過了有六項自然碳匯的一個方法學這中間有包括經營森林或是竹林或是土地利用的管理或者是生物碳、紅樹林、海藻"},{"start":52.318,"end":68.711,"text":"那事實上這樣的一些方法學勒也是變得說未來因為要做到了所謂的淨零碳排然後要做到了讓企業去用了這樣的一個碳匯那也可以創造ESG"},{"start":70.332,"end":96.85,"text":"對 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