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臺的人數只有六千餘人，其實我昨天已經跟劉主委做過探討，到2030年我們要增加19萬僑外生留臺，必須每一年有3萬人留在臺灣才能夠達標，可是目前看到的是連1萬人都沒有，我們要如何達標？","說實在的，就僑外生，我們希望自己培養的這些孩子能夠留在臺灣，因為我們畢竟還是缺工、缺人嘛！目前僑外生留在臺灣有兩個途徑，就是僑外生的評點制，再來就是人才專法的這個部分，可是這兩個部分其實都有一些限制。這幾個月其實我有到各大專院校去座談，僑外生都提出了一些訴求，比如他們希望取消僑外生評點制名額上限；再來是推動個人工作許可制；第三，放寬企業資本、營業額規範並簡化申請程序；第四，研議僑外生畢業尋職期間工讀方案，這是本席到各大專院校跟僑外生座談的時候，僑外生所提出來的四大訴求。我也希望這四大訴求提出來之後，勞動部、國發會，甚至僑委會、教育部，4個部會可以跨部會來做研議，這樣才能夠把這些我們培育的僑外生留在臺灣，限制這麼多的話，你想要留也留不住，所以這四點給我們相關單位來做研議。以上，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢，也謝謝卓院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第7號林思銘委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":27,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-16","speakers":["韓國瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-05-31"],"gazette_id":"1135101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1135101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第16次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1135101_00001"}},"transcript":{"id":"153436","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153436","tool":"pyannote","id":"153436-pyannote"},"job_id":"T05Oaf3zoW1GeeMD","queued_at":"2024-05-31 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00:00:10,893\n謝謝主席。有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員好。院長好。院長辛苦了。今天要跟院長探討的是我們民進黨政府長期以來非常重視的這個新住民的這個議題。那其實在去年的這個移民節我們的賴清德總統\n\n2\n00:00:37,131 --> 00:00:58,225\n他就有特別提到期盼將臺灣打造成更加友善包容多元平權的這個社會。所以呢針對這個新住民的議題呢我們賴清德總統他有提出了這個六大政見那這六大政見呢我們也希望說新政府上來之後呢都可以來競速來落實\n\n3\n00:00:59,065 --> 00:01:23,033\n那我現在呢想要跟院長提的就是賴清德總統的這個六大政見第一個呢就是賴清德總統他有提到支持立法保障新住民的這個權益因為新住民的這個議題他是橫跨了語言醫療教育文化就業等等不同的這個面向所以賴清德總統他說應該要透過這個立專法\n\n4\n00:01:26,394 --> 00:01:34,060\n提供更加全面具體的權益保障。我想請問就針對這一條我們院長支不支持?\n\n5\n00:01:39,363 --> 00:01:59,516\n總統在競選過程當中所對人民的承諾我們都積極的而且普遍的把它納到國家希望工程裡面來那當中當然有一些是分年分階段要來執行的但對新住民的政策我們始終站在一致的立場臺灣是一個包容的社會我們很歡迎也很需要\n\n6\n00:02:00,436 --> 00:02:08,114\n新住民的加入臺灣這個大家庭所以一定在這樣的理念之下我們去對未來的國家希望工程一一的落實\n\n7\n00:02:09,011 --> 00:02:32,816\n所以立專法這個部分我們院長其實您是支持的嘛對不對因為本期其實在上一屆的時候已經有提出了新著名權益保障法那我在想那總統既然也支持這個專法的這個設立所以我希望就是說我們行政院能夠提早提出這個院版那當然也是落實我們賴清德總統的這個政見\n\n8\n00:02:39,390 --> 00:03:03,662\n謝謝羅委員的關心羅委員長久以來都非常關心新住民而且您自己也領銜提案了新住民的權益保障法那但是呢我在看這個內政委會在討論的時候呢也有其他委員希望提出所謂的新住民基本法那很多不同的委員都關心新住民這是事實但是對於新住民的定義到目前為止好像還沒有一個具體的一個共識出來\n\n9\n00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:19,671\n那所以現在在內政委會裡面討論的部分呢應該就是委員或是其他委員所提出來的版本但是無論怎麼樣落實這個賴總統的政見包括說強化這個新住民的發展基金我們現在的基金大概是10億元左右\n\n10\n00:03:40,382 --> 00:03:46,483\n所以部長您的意思就是說到目前為止我們對新住民的定義到目前為止我們都還沒有一個非常明確到底新住民包含了哪一部分的這個族群\n\n11\n00:04:07,907 --> 00:04:32,530\n我想過去的話我們想到新住民就想到說只有婚姻移民可是現在呢新住民不單單只有婚姻移民我們現在有人才專訪我們有喬森平點志之後留在台灣成為台灣新住民的都有所以變成說現在經過各種管道來到台灣這些人是不是都是新住民我們不應該新住民只含婚姻移民這部分吧這部分\n\n12\n00:04:32,990 --> 00:05:01,670\n我們到現在還都沒有辦法釐清嗎?新住民這個定義,連我們行政單位都沒有辦法去釐清他的定義嗎?是,報告委員,應該是說每一個部會,包括說你講到的僑生或是僑外生,他們所提出來的定義都不太相同。但是無論怎麼樣,剛剛有提到,在事實上怎麼樣照顧,只要有拿到合法的這個簽證或是合法的證件來台灣的,我們都應該本於我們自己台灣一個人權立國的精神來照顧他們。\n\n13\n00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:22,544\n所以部長您的意思是說當要訂定專法以前新住民的定義必須出來是不是這樣子?當這個定義沒出來之前您覺得立法是有困難的是不是?會有是說完成共識就是三黨要完成共識之前恐怕會有一些困擾就像我剛剛跟委員所提到的那對於行政單位您對於新住民的定義是什麼呢?\n\n14\n00:05:23,024 --> 00:05:32,472\n因為到目前為止新住民是沒有法律定位欸沒有是完全是沒有的確定是沒有是委員報告一下那到底我們行政單位對新住民的定義是什麼呢\n\n15\n00:05:33,223 --> 00:05:58,848\n目前在內政部所管轄的移民署的部分就是所謂的中華民國國民的配偶所以只有婚姻移民可是那是因為早期的定義因為早期確實是以婚姻移民為主那這一兩年我們已經修了人才專法我們很多移民的管道不單單只有婚姻移民那這些後面這個因其他管道來到台灣的這些新住民就不能算是新住民嗎\n\n16\n00:05:59,528 --> 00:05:59,668\n新住民的定義\n\n17\n00:06:19,901 --> 00:06:26,047\n所以部長您的意思就是說新住民的權益我們先來保障那之後他的定義我們再來定義的意思嗎?是這樣子嗎?在我們行政立場上面他是延續的不可能斷掉\n\n18\n00:06:46,305 --> 00:07:13,122\n那我們要保障的新住民就是說只要是說他從國外來到臺灣定居停留、拘留我們都要保障他的權益是這樣子的意思嗎?不太能夠包含所謂的移工的部分所以我在想單單新住民三個字這個定義可能就要花大家很多的時間來做一個討論\n\n19\n00:07:15,983 --> 00:07:34,635\n權力保障的部分我在想這個我們一定要來推行這部分我想應該行政單位應該會來支持好那再來賴清德總統有提到說要長化新住民的這個專責單位逐步提升他的位階很多人都說新住民到目前為止都沒有一個專責單位憑良心講是有\n\n20\n00:07:37,057 --> 00:07:56,472\n那些新住民的業務是掛在內政部移民署底下的移民事務組在底下的移民輔導科他是一個位階非常非常低的一個專責單位所以我可以理解賴清德總統他有提到逐步提升其位階像這部分的話我想請教\n\n21\n00:07:57,313 --> 00:08:13,122\n院長,這部分我們也是支持嘛,對不對?是的,跟委員報告,因為剛剛成儒部長所說的新住民的多樣化,而且增加的速度也蠻快的,所以我們一定要迎頭趕上。那麼在院裡面,現在我們有新住民事務協調匯報,\n\n22\n00:08:15,385 --> 00:08:41,214\n我們承諾我們會來強化這個匯報的功能在相關法還沒有完整之前把這個協調匯報的功能強化出來讓它扮演更重要的角色扮演更重要的功能剛剛部長所說對新住民的權利的保障我們先把它設為最優先那麼在這樣的過程底下我想即使還沒有很明確在法令底下有一個專責機構但是要提升這個協調匯報的功能\n\n23\n00:08:42,714 --> 00:08:54,535\n我努力讓他達到委員所希望的那樣的一個程度跟院長報告我們確實有個行政院新住民協調會報可是院長剛才你有提到了半年開一次會\n\n24\n00:08:56,015 --> 00:08:58,317\n我絕對支持我們賴清德總統說要強化新住民的\n\n25\n00:09:38,613 --> 00:09:55,744\n所以這部分的話在我們還沒有提升位階之前我們來強化新住民協調匯報本席也能夠來接受只是不能只有嘴巴說我覺得像上一屆我就不斷再提這個問題可是大家好像就說好我們來加強實際上完全沒有動作\n\n26\n00:09:56,164 --> 00:10:11,153\n我也希望就是說新政府上來之後真的是要來正視這個問題如果說我們因為組織編造的關係我們真的目前沒有辦法說給我們一個署也好一個委員會可是你在既有的這些單位你要去加強這個功能嘛對不對\n\n27\n00:10:11,713 --> 00:10:11,913\n﹚羅美玲\n\n28\n00:10:34,861 --> 00:10:35,081\n﹚羅美玲\n\n29\n00:10:50,916 --> 00:11:19,327\n內政部其實也是之前也做過了一些一個檢討其實這個事辦計劃對我們的培訓對這個專業度那還有這個認證制度其實是沒有任何的這個改善他其實有很多需要加強的這個地方所以我也贊成我們賴總統所說的建立國家級的統一制度因為現在的目前的統一制度進行事辦計劃還是落在移民署\n\n30\n00:11:19,787 --> 00:11:43,502\n移民署也不過是一個三級單位如何去handle這個這麼大的一個工程說實在的我也覺得這個是很不可思議的一件事情像這個國家級的同意制度我都覺得說像教育部的角色應該也要進來國發會的角度應該也都要進來不是丟給一個小小的這個移民署移民署人力真的是不足這部分我必須要跟移民署說一句話那再來還有其他的\n\n31\n00:11:44,062 --> 00:11:45,562\n專案延長新住民直系遵清署探親停留校旗的簽證\n\n32\n00:12:14,915 --> 00:12:37,905\n這個已經在總統在競選過程裡面的政見之一啦。那我們會詳細看它影響的程度以及多少的適用範圍我們來訂定一個可以討論的一個基準。因為像過去新住民的遵勸署來台只有半年的時間那我們希望能夠延長到一年。為什麼呢?因為我們看人才專訪\n\n33\n00:12:39,045 --> 00:12:39,085\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n\n34\n00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:55,799\n拉辛德總統\n\n35\n00:13:15,554 --> 00:13:27,131\n總統他的新著名的六大政見我提了四個比較重要的這個政見來跟各位做這個探討OK那下來呢下一個議題呢我想請各位回座我請勞動部跟國發會\n\n36\n00:13:29,841 --> 00:13:42,065\n還有一點時間我想要探討另外一個議題是有關於橋外生的留台工作因為本席具有新著名的背景以及橋生的這個背景所以這個對我來講也是非常重要的這個議題因為在2022年的時候國發會院長您可以回座\n\n37\n00:13:46,311 --> 00:14:07,236\n沒關係沒關係OK好在2022年的時候國防會呢曾經有訂定了一個目標就是2030年我們要增加19萬的橋外生留臺工作可是以目前呢我們橋外生每一年又是2022年開始來看我們每一年留臺的人數只有6000人我其實我昨天已經跟劉主委有做過探討就是說\n\n38\n00:14:38,537 --> 00:15:04,415\n這兩個部分其實都有一些限制那這幾天呢這幾個月呢其實我有到各大專業校去做一個座談那喬外森他都有提出了一些訴求比如說他們希望取消喬外森評點制的名額上限那再來呢推動個人工作許可制那第三呢放寬企業資本營業額規範並簡化申請程序那第四是演藝喬外森畢業尋職期間的公讀方案這是本期到\n\n39\n00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:04,875\n﹚羅美玲\n\n40\n00:15:27,506 --> 00:15:30,589\n謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢謝謝卓院長的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7530\t10893\t謝謝主席。有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員好。院長好。院長辛苦了。今天要跟院長探討的是我們民進黨政府長期以來非常重視的這個新住民的這個議題。那其實在去年的這個移民節我們的賴清德總統\n37131\t58225\t他就有特別提到期盼將臺灣打造成更加友善包容多元平權的這個社會。所以呢針對這個新住民的議題呢我們賴清德總統他有提出了這個六大政見那這六大政見呢我們也希望說新政府上來之後呢都可以來競速來落實\n59065\t83033\t那我現在呢想要跟院長提的就是賴清德總統的這個六大政見第一個呢就是賴清德總統他有提到支持立法保障新住民的這個權益因為新住民的這個議題他是橫跨了語言醫療教育文化就業等等不同的這個面向所以賴清德總統他說應該要透過這個立專法\n86394\t94060\t提供更加全面具體的權益保障。我想請問就針對這一條我們院長支不支持?\n99363\t119516\t總統在競選過程當中所對人民的承諾我們都積極的而且普遍的把它納到國家希望工程裡面來那當中當然有一些是分年分階段要來執行的但對新住民的政策我們始終站在一致的立場臺灣是一個包容的社會我們很歡迎也很需要\n120436\t128114\t新住民的加入臺灣這個大家庭所以一定在這樣的理念之下我們去對未來的國家希望工程一一的落實\n129011\t152816\t所以立專法這個部分我們院長其實您是支持的嘛對不對因為本期其實在上一屆的時候已經有提出了新著名權益保障法那我在想那總統既然也支持這個專法的這個設立所以我希望就是說我們行政院能夠提早提出這個院版那當然也是落實我們賴清德總統的這個政見\n159390\t183662\t謝謝羅委員的關心羅委員長久以來都非常關心新住民而且您自己也領銜提案了新住民的權益保障法那但是呢我在看這個內政委會在討論的時候呢也有其他委員希望提出所謂的新住民基本法那很多不同的委員都關心新住民這是事實但是對於新住民的定義到目前為止好像還沒有一個具體的一個共識出來\n184642\t199671\t那所以現在在內政委會裡面討論的部分呢應該就是委員或是其他委員所提出來的版本但是無論怎麼樣落實這個賴總統的政見包括說強化這個新住民的發展基金我們現在的基金大概是10億元左右\n200111\t220282\t﹏﹏\n220382\t226483\t所以部長您的意思就是說到目前為止我們對新住民的定義到目前為止我們都還沒有一個非常明確到底新住民包含了哪一部分的這個族群\n247907\t272530\t我想過去的話我們想到新住民就想到說只有婚姻移民可是現在呢新住民不單單只有婚姻移民我們現在有人才專訪我們有喬森平點志之後留在台灣成為台灣新住民的都有所以變成說現在經過各種管道來到台灣這些人是不是都是新住民我們不應該新住民只含婚姻移民這部分吧這部分\n272990\t301670\t我們到現在還都沒有辦法釐清嗎?新住民這個定義,連我們行政單位都沒有辦法去釐清他的定義嗎?是,報告委員,應該是說每一個部會,包括說你講到的僑生或是僑外生,他們所提出來的定義都不太相同。但是無論怎麼樣,剛剛有提到,在事實上怎麼樣照顧,只要有拿到合法的這個簽證或是合法的證件來台灣的,我們都應該本於我們自己台灣一個人權立國的精神來照顧他們。\n302150\t322544\t所以部長您的意思是說當要訂定專法以前新住民的定義必須出來是不是這樣子?當這個定義沒出來之前您覺得立法是有困難的是不是?會有是說完成共識就是三黨要完成共識之前恐怕會有一些困擾就像我剛剛跟委員所提到的那對於行政單位您對於新住民的定義是什麼呢?\n323024\t332472\t因為到目前為止新住民是沒有法律定位欸沒有是完全是沒有的確定是沒有是委員報告一下那到底我們行政單位對新住民的定義是什麼呢\n333223\t358848\t目前在內政部所管轄的移民署的部分就是所謂的中華民國國民的配偶所以只有婚姻移民可是那是因為早期的定義因為早期確實是以婚姻移民為主那這一兩年我們已經修了人才專法我們很多移民的管道不單單只有婚姻移民那這些後面這個因其他管道來到台灣的這些新住民就不能算是新住民嗎\n359528\t359668\t新住民的定義\n379901\t386047\t所以部長您的意思就是說新住民的權益我們先來保障那之後他的定義我們再來定義的意思嗎?是這樣子嗎?在我們行政立場上面他是延續的不可能斷掉\n406305\t433122\t那我們要保障的新住民就是說只要是說他從國外來到臺灣定居停留、拘留我們都要保障他的權益是這樣子的意思嗎?不太能夠包含所謂的移工的部分所以我在想單單新住民三個字這個定義可能就要花大家很多的時間來做一個討論\n435983\t454635\t權力保障的部分我在想這個我們一定要來推行這部分我想應該行政單位應該會來支持好那再來賴清德總統有提到說要長化新住民的這個專責單位逐步提升他的位階很多人都說新住民到目前為止都沒有一個專責單位憑良心講是有\n457057\t476472\t那些新住民的業務是掛在內政部移民署底下的移民事務組在底下的移民輔導科他是一個位階非常非常低的一個專責單位所以我可以理解賴清德總統他有提到逐步提升其位階像這部分的話我想請教\n477313\t493122\t院長,這部分我們也是支持嘛,對不對?是的,跟委員報告,因為剛剛成儒部長所說的新住民的多樣化,而且增加的速度也蠻快的,所以我們一定要迎頭趕上。那麼在院裡面,現在我們有新住民事務協調匯報,\n495385\t521214\t我們承諾我們會來強化這個匯報的功能在相關法還沒有完整之前把這個協調匯報的功能強化出來讓它扮演更重要的角色扮演更重要的功能剛剛部長所說對新住民的權利的保障我們先把它設為最優先那麼在這樣的過程底下我想即使還沒有很明確在法令底下有一個專責機構但是要提升這個協調匯報的功能\n522714\t534535\t我努力讓他達到委員所希望的那樣的一個程度跟院長報告我們確實有個行政院新住民協調會報可是院長剛才你有提到了半年開一次會\n536015\t538317\t我絕對支持我們賴清德總統說要強化新住民的\n558131\t578473\t﹏﹏\n578613\t595744\t所以這部分的話在我們還沒有提升位階之前我們來強化新住民協調匯報本席也能夠來接受只是不能只有嘴巴說我覺得像上一屆我就不斷再提這個問題可是大家好像就說好我們來加強實際上完全沒有動作\n596164\t611153\t我也希望就是說新政府上來之後真的是要來正視這個問題如果說我們因為組織編造的關係我們真的目前沒有辦法說給我們一個署也好一個委員會可是你在既有的這些單位你要去加強這個功能嘛對不對\n611713\t611913\t﹚羅美玲\n634861\t635081\t﹚羅美玲\n650916\t679327\t內政部其實也是之前也做過了一些一個檢討其實這個事辦計劃對我們的培訓對這個專業度那還有這個認證制度其實是沒有任何的這個改善他其實有很多需要加強的這個地方所以我也贊成我們賴總統所說的建立國家級的統一制度因為現在的目前的統一制度進行事辦計劃還是落在移民署\n679787\t703502\t移民署也不過是一個三級單位如何去handle這個這麼大的一個工程說實在的我也覺得這個是很不可思議的一件事情像這個國家級的同意制度我都覺得說像教育部的角色應該也要進來國發會的角度應該也都要進來不是丟給一個小小的這個移民署移民署人力真的是不足這部分我必須要跟移民署說一句話那再來還有其他的\n704062\t705562\t專案延長新住民直系遵清署探親停留校旗的簽證\n734915\t757905\t這個已經在總統在競選過程裡面的政見之一啦。那我們會詳細看它影響的程度以及多少的適用範圍我們來訂定一個可以討論的一個基準。因為像過去新住民的遵勸署來台只有半年的時間那我們希望能夠延長到一年。為什麼呢?因為我們看人才專訪\n759045\t759085\t﹚羅美玲﹚\n775559\t775799\t拉辛德總統\n795554\t807131\t總統他的新著名的六大政見我提了四個比較重要的這個政見來跟各位做這個探討OK那下來呢下一個議題呢我想請各位回座我請勞動部跟國發會\n809841\t822065\t還有一點時間我想要探討另外一個議題是有關於橋外生的留台工作因為本席具有新著名的背景以及橋生的這個背景所以這個對我來講也是非常重要的這個議題因為在2022年的時候國發會 院長您可以回座\n826311\t847236\t沒關係沒關係OK好在2022年的時候國防會呢曾經有訂定了一個目標就是2030年我們要增加19萬的橋外生留臺工作可是以目前呢我們橋外生每一年又是2022年開始來看我們每一年留臺的人數只有6000人我其實我昨天已經跟劉主委有做過探討就是說\n847756\t877756\t﹏﹏\n878537\t904415\t這兩個部分其實都有一些限制那這幾天呢這幾個月呢其實我有到各大專業校去做一個座談那喬外森他都有提出了一些訴求比如說他們希望取消喬外森評點制的名額上限那再來呢推動個人工作許可制那第三呢放寬企業資本營業額規範並簡化申請程序那第四是演藝喬外森畢業尋職期間的公讀方案這是本期到\n904735\t904875\t﹚羅美玲\n927506\t930589\t謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長的\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員好。院長好。院長辛苦了。今天要跟院長探討的是我們民進黨政府長期以來非常重視的這個新住民的這個議題。那其實在去年的這個移民節我們的賴清德總統\n他就有特別提到期盼將臺灣打造成更加友善包容多元平權的這個社會。所以呢針對這個新住民的議題呢我們賴清德總統他有提出了這個六大政見那這六大政見呢我們也希望說新政府上來之後呢都可以來競速來落實\n那我現在呢想要跟院長提的就是賴清德總統的這個六大政見第一個呢就是賴清德總統他有提到支持立法保障新住民的這個權益因為新住民的這個議題他是橫跨了語言醫療教育文化就業等等不同的這個面向所以賴清德總統他說應該要透過這個立專法\n提供更加全面具體的權益保障。我想請問就針對這一條我們院長支不支持?\n總統在競選過程當中所對人民的承諾我們都積極的而且普遍的把它納到國家希望工程裡面來那當中當然有一些是分年分階段要來執行的但對新住民的政策我們始終站在一致的立場臺灣是一個包容的社會我們很歡迎也很需要\n新住民的加入臺灣這個大家庭所以一定在這樣的理念之下我們去對未來的國家希望工程一一的落實\n所以立專法這個部分我們院長其實您是支持的嘛對不對因為本期其實在上一屆的時候已經有提出了新著名權益保障法那我在想那總統既然也支持這個專法的這個設立所以我希望就是說我們行政院能夠提早提出這個院版那當然也是落實我們賴清德總統的這個政見\n謝謝羅委員的關心羅委員長久以來都非常關心新住民而且您自己也領銜提案了新住民的權益保障法那但是呢我在看這個內政委會在討論的時候呢也有其他委員希望提出所謂的新住民基本法那很多不同的委員都關心新住民這是事實但是對於新住民的定義到目前為止好像還沒有一個具體的一個共識出來\n那所以現在在內政委會裡面討論的部分呢應該就是委員或是其他委員所提出來的版本但是無論怎麼樣落實這個賴總統的政見包括說強化這個新住民的發展基金我們現在的基金大概是10億元左右\n﹏﹏\n所以部長您的意思就是說到目前為止我們對新住民的定義到目前為止我們都還沒有一個非常明確到底新住民包含了哪一部分的這個族群\n我想過去的話我們想到新住民就想到說只有婚姻移民可是現在呢新住民不單單只有婚姻移民我們現在有人才專訪我們有喬森平點志之後留在台灣成為台灣新住民的都有所以變成說現在經過各種管道來到台灣這些人是不是都是新住民我們不應該新住民只含婚姻移民這部分吧這部分\n我們到現在還都沒有辦法釐清嗎?新住民這個定義,連我們行政單位都沒有辦法去釐清他的定義嗎?是,報告委員,應該是說每一個部會,包括說你講到的僑生或是僑外生,他們所提出來的定義都不太相同。但是無論怎麼樣,剛剛有提到,在事實上怎麼樣照顧,只要有拿到合法的這個簽證或是合法的證件來台灣的,我們都應該本於我們自己台灣一個人權立國的精神來照顧他們。\n所以部長您的意思是說當要訂定專法以前新住民的定義必須出來是不是這樣子?當這個定義沒出來之前您覺得立法是有困難的是不是?會有是說完成共識就是三黨要完成共識之前恐怕會有一些困擾就像我剛剛跟委員所提到的那對於行政單位您對於新住民的定義是什麼呢?\n因為到目前為止新住民是沒有法律定位欸沒有是完全是沒有的確定是沒有是委員報告一下那到底我們行政單位對新住民的定義是什麼呢\n目前在內政部所管轄的移民署的部分就是所謂的中華民國國民的配偶所以只有婚姻移民可是那是因為早期的定義因為早期確實是以婚姻移民為主那這一兩年我們已經修了人才專法我們很多移民的管道不單單只有婚姻移民那這些後面這個因其他管道來到台灣的這些新住民就不能算是新住民嗎\n新住民的定義\n所以部長您的意思就是說新住民的權益我們先來保障那之後他的定義我們再來定義的意思嗎?是這樣子嗎?在我們行政立場上面他是延續的不可能斷掉\n那我們要保障的新住民就是說只要是說他從國外來到臺灣定居停留、拘留我們都要保障他的權益是這樣子的意思嗎?不太能夠包含所謂的移工的部分所以我在想單單新住民三個字這個定義可能就要花大家很多的時間來做一個討論\n權力保障的部分我在想這個我們一定要來推行這部分我想應該行政單位應該會來支持好那再來賴清德總統有提到說要長化新住民的這個專責單位逐步提升他的位階很多人都說新住民到目前為止都沒有一個專責單位憑良心講是有\n那些新住民的業務是掛在內政部移民署底下的移民事務組在底下的移民輔導科他是一個位階非常非常低的一個專責單位所以我可以理解賴清德總統他有提到逐步提升其位階像這部分的話我想請教\n院長,這部分我們也是支持嘛,對不對?是的,跟委員報告,因為剛剛成儒部長所說的新住民的多樣化,而且增加的速度也蠻快的,所以我們一定要迎頭趕上。那麼在院裡面,現在我們有新住民事務協調匯報,\n我們承諾我們會來強化這個匯報的功能在相關法還沒有完整之前把這個協調匯報的功能強化出來讓它扮演更重要的角色扮演更重要的功能剛剛部長所說對新住民的權利的保障我們先把它設為最優先那麼在這樣的過程底下我想即使還沒有很明確在法令底下有一個專責機構但是要提升這個協調匯報的功能\n我努力讓他達到委員所希望的那樣的一個程度跟院長報告我們確實有個行政院新住民協調會報可是院長剛才你有提到了半年開一次會\n我絕對支持我們賴清德總統說要強化新住民的\n﹏﹏\n所以這部分的話在我們還沒有提升位階之前我們來強化新住民協調匯報本席也能夠來接受只是不能只有嘴巴說我覺得像上一屆我就不斷再提這個問題可是大家好像就說好我們來加強實際上完全沒有動作\n我也希望就是說新政府上來之後真的是要來正視這個問題如果說我們因為組織編造的關係我們真的目前沒有辦法說給我們一個署也好一個委員會可是你在既有的這些單位你要去加強這個功能嘛對不對\n﹚羅美玲\n﹚羅美玲\n內政部其實也是之前也做過了一些一個檢討其實這個事辦計劃對我們的培訓對這個專業度那還有這個認證制度其實是沒有任何的這個改善他其實有很多需要加強的這個地方所以我也贊成我們賴總統所說的建立國家級的統一制度因為現在的目前的統一制度進行事辦計劃還是落在移民署\n移民署也不過是一個三級單位如何去handle這個這麼大的一個工程說實在的我也覺得這個是很不可思議的一件事情像這個國家級的同意制度我都覺得說像教育部的角色應該也要進來國發會的角度應該也都要進來不是丟給一個小小的這個移民署移民署人力真的是不足這部分我必須要跟移民署說一句話那再來還有其他的\n專案延長新住民直系遵清署探親停留校旗的簽證\n這個已經在總統在競選過程裡面的政見之一啦。那我們會詳細看它影響的程度以及多少的適用範圍我們來訂定一個可以討論的一個基準。因為像過去新住民的遵勸署來台只有半年的時間那我們希望能夠延長到一年。為什麼呢?因為我們看人才專訪\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n拉辛德總統\n總統他的新著名的六大政見我提了四個比較重要的這個政見來跟各位做這個探討OK那下來呢下一個議題呢我想請各位回座我請勞動部跟國發會\n還有一點時間我想要探討另外一個議題是有關於橋外生的留台工作因為本席具有新著名的背景以及橋生的這個背景所以這個對我來講也是非常重要的這個議題因為在2022年的時候國發會 院長您可以回座\n沒關係沒關係OK好在2022年的時候國防會呢曾經有訂定了一個目標就是2030年我們要增加19萬的橋外生留臺工作可是以目前呢我們橋外生每一年又是2022年開始來看我們每一年留臺的人數只有6000人我其實我昨天已經跟劉主委有做過探討就是說\n﹏﹏\n這兩個部分其實都有一些限制那這幾天呢這幾個月呢其實我有到各大專業校去做一個座談那喬外森他都有提出了一些訴求比如說他們希望取消喬外森評點制的名額上限那再來呢推動個人工作許可制那第三呢放寬企業資本營業額規範並簡化申請程序那第四是演藝喬外森畢業尋職期間的公讀方案這是本期到\n﹚羅美玲\n謝謝羅美玲委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.530 --> 00:10.893\n謝謝主席。有請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員好。院長好。院長辛苦了。今天要跟院長探討的是我們民進黨政府長期以來非常重視的這個新住民的這個議題。那其實在去年的這個移民節我們的賴清德總統\n\n00:37.131 --> 00:58.225\n他就有特別提到期盼將臺灣打造成更加友善包容多元平權的這個社會。所以呢針對這個新住民的議題呢我們賴清德總統他有提出了這個六大政見那這六大政見呢我們也希望說新政府上來之後呢都可以來競速來落實\n\n00:59.065 --> 01:23.033\n那我現在呢想要跟院長提的就是賴清德總統的這個六大政見第一個呢就是賴清德總統他有提到支持立法保障新住民的這個權益因為新住民的這個議題他是橫跨了語言醫療教育文化就業等等不同的這個面向所以賴清德總統他說應該要透過這個立專法\n\n01:26.394 --> 01:34.060\n提供更加全面具體的權益保障。我想請問就針對這一條我們院長支不支持?\n\n01:39.363 --> 01:59.516\n總統在競選過程當中所對人民的承諾我們都積極的而且普遍的把它納到國家希望工程裡面來那當中當然有一些是分年分階段要來執行的但對新住民的政策我們始終站在一致的立場臺灣是一個包容的社會我們很歡迎也很需要\n\n02:00.436 --> 02:08.114\n新住民的加入臺灣這個大家庭所以一定在這樣的理念之下我們去對未來的國家希望工程一一的落實\n\n02:09.011 --> 02:32.816\n所以立專法這個部分我們院長其實您是支持的嘛對不對因為本期其實在上一屆的時候已經有提出了新著名權益保障法那我在想那總統既然也支持這個專法的這個設立所以我希望就是說我們行政院能夠提早提出這個院版那當然也是落實我們賴清德總統的這個政見\n\n02:39.390 --> 03:03.662\n謝謝羅委員的關心羅委員長久以來都非常關心新住民而且您自己也領銜提案了新住民的權益保障法那但是呢我在看這個內政委會在討論的時候呢也有其他委員希望提出所謂的新住民基本法那很多不同的委員都關心新住民這是事實但是對於新住民的定義到目前為止好像還沒有一個具體的一個共識出來\n\n03:04.642 --> 03:19.671\n那所以現在在內政委會裡面討論的部分呢應該就是委員或是其他委員所提出來的版本但是無論怎麼樣落實這個賴總統的政見包括說強化這個新住民的發展基金我們現在的基金大概是10億元左右\n\n03:40.382 --> 03:46.483\n所以部長您的意思就是說到目前為止我們對新住民的定義到目前為止我們都還沒有一個非常明確到底新住民包含了哪一部分的這個族群\n\n04:07.907 --> 04:32.530\n我想過去的話我們想到新住民就想到說只有婚姻移民可是現在呢新住民不單單只有婚姻移民我們現在有人才專訪我們有喬森平點志之後留在台灣成為台灣新住民的都有所以變成說現在經過各種管道來到台灣這些人是不是都是新住民我們不應該新住民只含婚姻移民這部分吧這部分\n\n04:32.990 --> 05:01.670\n我們到現在還都沒有辦法釐清嗎?新住民這個定義,連我們行政單位都沒有辦法去釐清他的定義嗎?是,報告委員,應該是說每一個部會,包括說你講到的僑生或是僑外生,他們所提出來的定義都不太相同。但是無論怎麼樣,剛剛有提到,在事實上怎麼樣照顧,只要有拿到合法的這個簽證或是合法的證件來台灣的,我們都應該本於我們自己台灣一個人權立國的精神來照顧他們。\n\n05:02.150 --> 05:22.544\n所以部長您的意思是說當要訂定專法以前新住民的定義必須出來是不是這樣子?當這個定義沒出來之前您覺得立法是有困難的是不是?會有是說完成共識就是三黨要完成共識之前恐怕會有一些困擾就像我剛剛跟委員所提到的那對於行政單位您對於新住民的定義是什麼呢?\n\n05:23.024 --> 05:32.472\n因為到目前為止新住民是沒有法律定位欸沒有是完全是沒有的確定是沒有是委員報告一下那到底我們行政單位對新住民的定義是什麼呢\n\n05:33.223 --> 05:58.848\n目前在內政部所管轄的移民署的部分就是所謂的中華民國國民的配偶所以只有婚姻移民可是那是因為早期的定義因為早期確實是以婚姻移民為主那這一兩年我們已經修了人才專法我們很多移民的管道不單單只有婚姻移民那這些後面這個因其他管道來到台灣的這些新住民就不能算是新住民嗎\n\n05:59.528 --> 05:59.668\n新住民的定義\n\n06:19.901 --> 06:26.047\n所以部長您的意思就是說新住民的權益我們先來保障那之後他的定義我們再來定義的意思嗎?是這樣子嗎?在我們行政立場上面他是延續的不可能斷掉\n\n06:46.305 --> 07:13.122\n那我們要保障的新住民就是說只要是說他從國外來到臺灣定居停留、拘留我們都要保障他的權益是這樣子的意思嗎?不太能夠包含所謂的移工的部分所以我在想單單新住民三個字這個定義可能就要花大家很多的時間來做一個討論\n\n07:15.983 --> 07:34.635\n權力保障的部分我在想這個我們一定要來推行這部分我想應該行政單位應該會來支持好那再來賴清德總統有提到說要長化新住民的這個專責單位逐步提升他的位階很多人都說新住民到目前為止都沒有一個專責單位憑良心講是有\n\n07:37.057 --> 07:56.472\n那些新住民的業務是掛在內政部移民署底下的移民事務組在底下的移民輔導科他是一個位階非常非常低的一個專責單位所以我可以理解賴清德總統他有提到逐步提升其位階像這部分的話我想請教\n\n07:57.313 --> 08:13.122\n院長,這部分我們也是支持嘛,對不對?是的,跟委員報告,因為剛剛成儒部長所說的新住民的多樣化,而且增加的速度也蠻快的,所以我們一定要迎頭趕上。那麼在院裡面,現在我們有新住民事務協調匯報,\n\n08:15.385 --> 08:41.214\n我們承諾我們會來強化這個匯報的功能在相關法還沒有完整之前把這個協調匯報的功能強化出來讓它扮演更重要的角色扮演更重要的功能剛剛部長所說對新住民的權利的保障我們先把它設為最優先那麼在這樣的過程底下我想即使還沒有很明確在法令底下有一個專責機構但是要提升這個協調匯報的功能\n\n08:42.714 --> 08:54.535\n我努力讓他達到委員所希望的那樣的一個程度跟院長報告我們確實有個行政院新住民協調會報可是院長剛才你有提到了半年開一次會\n\n08:56.015 --> 08:58.317\n我絕對支持我們賴清德總統說要強化新住民的\n\n09:38.613 --> 09:55.744\n所以這部分的話在我們還沒有提升位階之前我們來強化新住民協調匯報本席也能夠來接受只是不能只有嘴巴說我覺得像上一屆我就不斷再提這個問題可是大家好像就說好我們來加強實際上完全沒有動作\n\n09:56.164 --> 10:11.153\n我也希望就是說新政府上來之後真的是要來正視這個問題如果說我們因為組織編造的關係我們真的目前沒有辦法說給我們一個署也好一個委員會可是你在既有的這些單位你要去加強這個功能嘛對不對\n\n10:11.713 --> 10:11.913\n﹚羅美玲\n\n10:34.861 --> 10:35.081\n﹚羅美玲\n\n10:50.916 --> 11:19.327\n內政部其實也是之前也做過了一些一個檢討其實這個事辦計劃對我們的培訓對這個專業度那還有這個認證制度其實是沒有任何的這個改善他其實有很多需要加強的這個地方所以我也贊成我們賴總統所說的建立國家級的統一制度因為現在的目前的統一制度進行事辦計劃還是落在移民署\n\n11:19.787 --> 11:43.502\n移民署也不過是一個三級單位如何去handle這個這麼大的一個工程說實在的我也覺得這個是很不可思議的一件事情像這個國家級的同意制度我都覺得說像教育部的角色應該也要進來國發會的角度應該也都要進來不是丟給一個小小的這個移民署移民署人力真的是不足這部分我必須要跟移民署說一句話那再來還有其他的\n\n11:44.062 --> 11:45.562\n專案延長新住民直系遵清署探親停留校旗的簽證\n\n12:14.915 --> 12:37.905\n這個已經在總統在競選過程裡面的政見之一啦。那我們會詳細看它影響的程度以及多少的適用範圍我們來訂定一個可以討論的一個基準。因為像過去新住民的遵勸署來台只有半年的時間那我們希望能夠延長到一年。為什麼呢?因為我們看人才專訪\n\n12:39.045 --> 12:39.085\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n\n12:55.559 --> 12:55.799\n拉辛德總統\n\n13:15.554 --> 13:27.131\n總統他的新著名的六大政見我提了四個比較重要的這個政見來跟各位做這個探討OK那下來呢下一個議題呢我想請各位回座我請勞動部跟國發會\n\n13:29.841 --> 13:42.065\n還有一點時間我想要探討另外一個議題是有關於橋外生的留台工作因為本席具有新著名的背景以及橋生的這個背景所以這個對我來講也是非常重要的這個議題因為在2022年的時候國發會院長您可以回座\n\n13:46.311 --> 14:07.236\n沒關係沒關係OK好在2022年的時候國防會呢曾經有訂定了一個目標就是2030年我們要增加19萬的橋外生留臺工作可是以目前呢我們橋外生每一年又是2022年開始來看我們每一年留臺的人數只有6000人我其實我昨天已經跟劉主委有做過探討就是說\n\n14:38.537 --> 15:04.415\n這兩個部分其實都有一些限制那這幾天呢這幾個月呢其實我有到各大專業校去做一個座談那喬外森他都有提出了一些訴求比如說他們希望取消喬外森評點制的名額上限那再來呢推動個人工作許可制那第三呢放寬企業資本營業額規範並簡化申請程序那第四是演藝喬外森畢業尋職期間的公讀方案這是本期到\n\n15:04.735 --> 15:04.875\n﹚羅美玲\n\n15:27.506 --> 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