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00:01:29,819\n那也有部分的媒體或者是群眾有質疑說相關的這些強迫車就是我們所知道的行動基地台那認為說這些是在收集相關的群眾的數據跟資料是不是有這樣的情形\n\n6\n00:01:30,619 --> 00:01:31,200\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n7\n00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:26,567\n就是我請教一下陳主委我們在過去現在民眾有時候會搞混掉因為我們在疫情期間有相關的疫情的一個調查的一個平台疫情的平台它有分成幾種方式因為它要掌握疫情這也是疾管局當初的一個相關的行政程序來要求的\n\n8\n00:02:27,748 --> 00:02:40,054\n我們在當初的這個疫情的調查平台其實就有QRCode、電子圍籬以及相關的疫情的輔助平台還有相關的簡訊系統\n\n9\n00:02:42,557 --> 00:03:07,392\n跟我們的人潮分析平台又是一個不同的平台人潮分析平台大部分都用於交通的疏解或是觀光人潮或是特定的城市的這樣的一個人潮的一個調查這樣的調查他是去識別化的跟疫情的調查有這樣的一個個資的問題是不一樣的那疫情的這個平台\n\n10\n00:03:08,473 --> 00:03:36,719\n在2022年在NCC的監督之下都已經下架而且資料完全的銷毀是不是這樣呢?清楚的說明這關於疫情平台因為它是有特定目的使用所以當時依照這個所謂的特別法還有傳染病防治法等相關包括有電子圍籬、疫調系統還有所謂的檢訊實聯制那這些相關的資料收集還有後來的刪除我們NCC還有衛福部都就這個部分有去進行相關的檢查這些相關的資料都已經刪除了\n\n11\n00:03:37,679 --> 00:03:58,868\n那他這個是因為基於防疫目的所以的確會對比如說會連結到個人資料但是這個是是限於政府使用這個所謂的防疫目的所使用並沒有提供給第三者去處理那這個我們剛才所講這個大數據分析是另外一種剛才所講人流的分析這種大數據分析是說個人資料去識別化以後\n\n12\n00:03:59,468 --> 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