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00:01:58,358\n我要請問人民這麼在乎他不是個資法的問題而是非常恐怖變成現在綠色在執政的時候這是綠色恐怖耶人民的行動他都有辦法去把它監控出來這是一個恐怖的社會所以你們是主管機關我第一個要請教世衛主管第一\n\n5\n00:02:01,003 --> 00:02:23,212\n請問除了NCC以外你們有沒有做什麼非常嚴厲積極的去做調查來陳主委你說有沒有我們基本上第一時間來講的話就請三大電信所做行政調查而且請他們提供相關的資料去處理那這個他有沒有提供來主委有沒有提供\n\n6\n00:02:24,352 --> 00:02:24,372\n黃國昌議員\n\n7\n00:02:39,216 --> 00:02:55,508\n這件事情我們主要管的是技術面啦那技術面我只想說對啦你技術面有沒有什麼查出什麼破綻嘛這個技術面還是要我就是說根據我個人過去在電信多年經驗我只能說技術面那個系統是存在的資料也存在是有可能的\n\n8\n00:02:56,108 --> 00:03:23,817\n對是要串接這些資料需要第一個需要法規的允許第二個要有很大的工程就說因為幾萬比較好比對對這個不是那麼容易但我曾從技術方面去回答至於說剛剛講那個電信公司那個行政的我不是很清楚所以沒辦法回答好那個黃市長你們現在有在調查嘛來那個郭董事長來好你們一直說沒有嘛三大電信業說沒有嘛\n\n9\n00:03:24,909 --> 00:03:54,433\n打死你們也說沒有啦我必須要提醒全黨挺議人情有可言但是整個政府挺議人會把台灣的人權把它當掉這必須我要提醒各位來郭董事長我請教你一下國安局、調查局還有警政署有沒有曾經跟你們調過這些資料有沒有\n\n10\n00:03:56,105 --> 00:04:18,115\n委員指的是哪一段時間的資料不是哪一段時間啦有沒有啦過去如果有根據剛才向次長說明的他依照這個通保法相關的規定來調取有沒有提供你不要講那麼多當然是要依照這些一個就是正式的合法一個是徽法嘛\n\n11\n00:04:18,835 --> 00:04:31,529\n那我現在問你們非法你也不會講嗎?真的有你也不會講?我問的是合法的有沒有?合法的我們要配合提供有沒有嗎?有!多少件?這要統計要統計齁這個合法的應該可以提供給本宴啦\n\n12\n00:04:39,912 --> 00:04:49,565\n多少件就好了不需要針對多少件那我也要拜託我們陳主委像這種合法要不要召會你們\n\n13\n00:04:52,205 --> 00:04:52,825\n另外一個\n\n14\n00:05:19,718 --> 00:05:21,019\n主委,我特別要問,那看起來似乎\n\n15\n00:05:44,688 --> 00:06:03,017\n你們都沒有嘛包括法務部法務部就是個案在偵辦嘛那你們三個電信公司都沒有嘛那你們兩個監督單位還有那個主管單位你們通通都是沒有那見鬼啦\n\n16\n00:06:04,195 --> 00:06:31,394\n那為什麼王先生、王一川先生他有這些資料可以去分析這個分析人流都OK這個都可以掌握也可以有商業之行為現在是交叉比對可以把人員分辨出來也就是說有些參加小草的有些參加319的都不一樣的人可以去分析出來\n\n17\n00:06:32,314 --> 00:06:47,243\n問題在這裡所以我要拜託主委這個部分不是今天你來報告一下說這個沒有問題就不是這樣牽涉到人民的被監控的問題是非常嚴重的這個會贏效國際的\n\n18\n00:06:49,464 --> 00:07:15,036\n現在民主國家沒有人在這樣除了我們的賴總統說我不是民主國家他如果敢這樣講那我們沒話講還是在戒嚴時代那沒話講可是現在我們是民主國家這個事情是不容許最後一個我要請教主委如果假設這些通通沒有那很簡單就是假新聞\n\n19\n00:07:16,687 --> 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