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00:01:12,660\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會\n\n5\n00:01:32,934 --> 00:01:33,294\n財政收支劃分法\n\n6\n00:01:43,795 --> 00:02:00,061\n對,在112年我們執行全民共享那我相信很多委員也有提到那去年超出了3600億會發6000塊給民眾嗎?去年超出預算數3600億是含中央跟地方其實中央大概超出預算數大概是2000多億2900億有考慮發普發現金嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:05,323 --> 00:02:07,565\n財政收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12屆第1會期財政收支劃分法\n\n8\n00:02:23,556 --> 00:02:24,477\n收支劃分法修正草案：一、繼續審查財政收支劃分法。\n\n9\n00:02:42,957 --> 00:03:07,359\n超徵稅收顧民司也要把稅收還給全民所以就是我們所說的這個統籌分配款人數我認為是一個很重要的一個概念請教部長我們為什麼要討論這個新北市有400萬的人口請問一下現在全台灣22個縣市哪一個縣市人均統籌分配還分配給中央分給地方人均是最低的六都裡面哪一個縣市最低\n\n10\n00:03:08,126 --> 00:03:22,142\n先跟委員報告稅收沒有所謂超徵因為每一塊錢都是按照法律收是我們的實徵數超過了預算數對我剛跟部長的概念就是說我們把它累積到財政的韌性裡面其實也是為全民在做財務的一個韌性\n\n11\n00:03:24,565 --> 00:03:26,708\n支劃分法修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法\n\n12\n00:03:39,788 --> 00:03:55,877\n收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政收支劃分法修正草案、委員羅明才等23人分別擬具:「財政\n\n13\n00:04:04,682 --> 00:04:08,425\n收支劃分法修正草案：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續詢答：一、繼續\n\n14\n00:04:32,017 --> 00:04:43,786\n相符。」而且你們在報告裡面也寫說在國民黨的提案裡面你也說分配公室以人口指標為主亦導致人口數較多的縣市獲配顯著優於其他同縣市\n\n15\n00:04:45,154 --> 00:04:47,096\n收支劃分法：立法院第11會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續擬具\n\n16\n00:05:03,854 --> 00:05:17,290\n人口數本來就是一個統籌分配稅款裡面指標之一但是我們知道有的版本裡面把人口數的全數拉得很高的話會讓人口多的地方會增加的數額會比較高\n\n17\n00:05:18,499 --> 00:05:23,604\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續擬具:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續擬具:「財政\n\n18\n00:05:40,017 --> 00:06:05,529\n所以我要報告部長就是說現在剛剛跟部長報告新北市已經是六都最低而且是全台灣22縣市最低這個財劃法已經25年沒有修所以這個問題已經累積了20幾年了新北市整個整體的建設真的是有被拖緩那我再跟部長請教因為剛剛我有聽部長其實你們也非常認真已經在研議了現在不管是國民黨跟民眾黨的版本針對營業稅的部分\n\n19\n00:06:07,210 --> 00:06:10,071\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法．一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法．一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法．一、繼續審查:「財政\n\n20\n00:06:24,847 --> 00:06:40,773\n修法原則裏有一個提升財政自主這個部分會增加統籌分配稅款的規模自己怎麼樣的去從哪一個稅目上面去做比例性的調整這個是要等到我們的分配公式計算出來後看需要的一個額度是多少再來做調整是\n\n21\n00:06:41,113 --> 00:06:48,877\n稍微得知有透露出來就是要把營業稅來做一個修正的一個動作要還稅移民所以希望說部長這部分繼續一起努力趕快把版本做出來我相信這個才是全民之福而且幫新北市民來謀福利以上謝謝\n\n22\n00:07:10,549 --> 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--> 00:03.979\n財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查\n\n00:18.123 --> 00:39.740\n地方的這個財政收支劃分法首先還是要感謝部長這邊今年我們在努力這個里長的這個年終慰問金的部分那這個已經送到院會準備要三讀通過那當時也跟部長拜託我們一定要來協助怎麼樣免稅那我相信內政部這邊一定要請教過財政部的意見那現在這個版本出去是\n\n00:40.220 --> 00:58.451\n理長可以免稅,那我代表全台灣的理長謝謝部長這邊提議那今天要討論的部分也要跟部長請議的部分五月才剛報完稅那過去我們都知道111年這個稅收超徵4000億112年稅收超徵3671億那我請問今年剛報完稅五月份這個部長有沒有認為今年會大概超收稅收多少錢\n\n01:07.717 --> 01:12.660\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第16次全體委員會\n\n01:32.934 --> 01:33.294\n財政收支劃分法\n\n01:43.795 --> 02:00.061\n對,在112年我們執行全民共享那我相信很多委員也有提到那去年超出了3600億會發6000塊給民眾嗎?去年超出預算數3600億是含中央跟地方其實中央大概超出預算數大概是2000多億2900億有考慮發普發現金嗎?\n\n02:05.323 --> 02:07.565\n財政收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12屆第1會期財政收支劃分法\n\n02:23.556 --> 02:24.477\n收支劃分法修正草案：一、繼續審查財政收支劃分法。\n\n02:42.957 --> 03:07.359\n超徵稅收顧民司也要把稅收還給全民所以就是我們所說的這個統籌分配款人數我認為是一個很重要的一個概念請教部長我們為什麼要討論這個新北市有400萬的人口請問一下現在全台灣22個縣市哪一個縣市人均統籌分配還分配給中央分給地方人均是最低的六都裡面哪一個縣市最低\n\n03:08.126 --> 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