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00:01:27,864\n整個新竹這邊新竹市這邊他每一年創稅1800億當時市長提出來的數字是這樣子他覺得得到的統籌分款非常的少所以他認為整個財化法分配不公所以他希望主張從地制法這邊的時候去做合併那最主要合併升格的理由就是因為錢分配不均財化法分配不均這個部分部長應該還有記憶猶新嘛對不對\n\n4\n00:01:30,862 --> 00:01:31,944\n收支劃分法修正草案。\n\n5\n00:01:46,365 --> 00:01:47,186\n收支劃分法修正草案。\n\n6\n00:02:04,045 --> 00:02:06,927\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查\n\n7\n00:02:21,756 --> 00:02:49,739\n限制的平衡、中央地方的平衡還有各縣市當中的平衡是很重要的一個部分是很重要的一個部分那我在想說針對這個部分的時候我要特別提到以新竹市來講的時候剛剛就是新竹市的代表他很客氣地講說他只要再多100億剛剛在我們羅明才招委問的時候新竹市、新竹縣、苗栗都提100億其實坦白說非常的保守我們剛剛\n\n8\n00:02:50,680 --> 00:03:00,208\n公共交通運輸只佔6.1%,大部分都靠自己的一個交通工具,這真的是很不夠的。所以說以這個情況之下,我們需要有很好的公共交通\n\n9\n00:03:12,958 --> 00:03:20,502\n系統進來。」我給部長看一下我們大新竹建設大新竹輕軌這是中央的一個計畫\n\n10\n00:03:23,237 --> 00:03:46,440\n基本上我們看光換錢的部分就好因為今天財政委員這邊在提新竹市這邊他要自己負擔就要197.6億總預算354.82億那麼工程款包括自償非自償的部分還有用地費整個加起來就要197.6億坦白說新竹市根本負擔不起\n\n11\n00:03:47,580 --> 00:04:13,512\n所以你會發現有很多的計劃跟建設中央在推地方的配額款永遠跟不上以新竹市坦白說整個財務結構都算是比較優等的一個縣市的時候都還沒有辦法分配的時候那其他的縣市就更慘那在這個情況之下的時候我再舉一個我們在5月底的新竹市發生大火\n\n12\n00:04:14,472 --> 00:04:15,313\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查\n\n13\n00:04:31,889 --> 00:04:53,166\n收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第11會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第12會期財政收支劃分法．立法\n\n14\n00:04:59,895 --> 00:05:14,440\n那針對新竹市這個部分我給部長稍微講一下這是112年度的一個數字全國的所得稅一兆8346億新竹市貢獻了3067億佔16.7%可是新竹市112年的統籌分配稅款在全國4227億當中只分配到63.5億只佔了1.5%部長你覺得這樣子合理嗎\n\n15\n00:05:31,527 --> 00:05:32,027\n財政收支劃分法\n\n16\n00:05:52,197 --> 00:05:54,919\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政\n\n17\n00:06:14,693 --> 00:06:29,973\n運輸的一些建設。」這個我們都可以理解。那所以在我們在這個過程當中也一直都在修。那另外就是說雖然中央統籌分配稅款財劃法沒有修但是一般性的補助款跟計劃型的補助款中央都還是在役助的。這個部分齁\n\n18\n00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:31,574\n收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法\n\n19\n00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:48,862\n收支劃分法：立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法：一、繼續審查:「財政收支劃分法：一、繼續擬具\n\n20\n00:07:09,402 --> 00:07:20,873\n收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政收支劃分法．立法院第1會期財政\n\n21\n00:07:27,219 --> 00:07:45,515\n收支劃分法．立法院第11屆第1會期財政收支劃分法有部分的比例能夠留在地方那本席這邊會提一個修正動議我提出是25%那至於能夠有多少%我覺得我們大家可以討論可是因為以目前我們看起來就新竹市在整個中央\n\n22\n00:07:46,175 --> 00:08:13,317\n所得稅的貢獻度跟統籌分法真的是不成比例我們希望能夠有適當的一個所得稅的比例能夠留在地方然後能夠讓整個地方直接享受到整個努力的一個成果那當然水平分配垂直分配我們都得兼顧但新竹市這個部分我必須要特別幫新竹市發聲剛剛新竹市代表提到說一百億坦白說其實是很\n\n23\n00:08:13,837 --> 00:08:33,609\n保守很客氣的一個說法因為事實上我們現在對整個大新竹輕軌的部分完全沒有錢去推這個部分然後縣市當中新竹縣也提100億新竹縣市當中還有好幾座橋要去做連結都沒有辦法現在光是竹北到科學園區短短可能一點多公里的路\n\n24\n00:08:35,151 --> 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