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00:00:10,786\n謝謝主席我請數發部的黃部長還有我們NCC的陳耀祥主委\n\n2\n00:00:16,657 --> 00:00:37,267\n市長好各位好今天王逸川說他在媒體所講的話是他用膝蓋想出來的然後也有媒體問你你說你尊重名嘴他們講話的權利是不是是那個人都有他的言論自由\n\n3\n00:00:38,027 --> 00:01:05,213\n但是這是我們NCC應該主管的範圍阿是不是因為在沒有錯我在這邊就要用據名檢舉這是王逸川自己說的他說了這麼一堆的數據他說他是用膝蓋自己想出來的所以他當然違反我們相關的規定所以我在這邊我已經做好檢舉函了\n\n4\n00:01:06,833 --> 00:01:23,548\n直接我檢舉在5月27號三立新聞政論節目新台灣加油裡面王益昌當任他的評論員然後講了一堆話他說他全部都是用膝蓋想出來的\n\n5\n00:01:24,429 --> 00:01:44,198\n所以這個當然會違反相關的規定既然政論節目新聞台可以用膝蓋來想出來講一大堆數據嗎所以我待會就會提供給你我據名檢舉所以我也要求我們NCC主委我們可以立刻去函給三立新聞的新台灣加油要求他說明嗎\n\n6\n00:01:44,978 --> 00:01:45,018\n王鴻薇\n\n7\n00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:03,521\n好,我們一道草地處理,嘿\n\n8\n00:02:26,003 --> 00:02:49,681\n我想請教一下我們那個部長黃部長在你們的這個報告裡面特別提到就是說可以同時拿到基地台的這個用戶號碼以及又同時可以拿到電信事業的客戶資料庫同時取得可能性極低這是你們的報告可能性極低那我想請問部長\n\n9\n00:02:50,922 --> 00:03:12,930\n如果同時取得的可能性有多少呢?雖然極低還是代表完全不能排除啊,是不是?技術上可行,但是行政流程,第一個它是被保護的,那你需要有法規我請問你,那麼王逸川或者是民進黨的政策會拿到這個資料的可能性你認為有多少?\n\n10\n00:03:13,450 --> 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