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00:01:42,521\nAI的產業當然有非常多元的人才的需求當然核心的人才就是在發展AI的基本的理論演算法以及當它要實現的時候背後的半導體硬體架構等等這些都含在裡面\n\n5\n00:01:43,762 --> 00:02:07,675\n我想電機系有涵蓋這些範圍是沒有錯但是還有第二個非常重要的人才需求是各行各業在使用AI的時候你必須要去熟悉然後了解怎麼去應用這些AI的工具讓我們在各行各業的發展會更有效率會更省人力表現會更好所以有需求多少\n\n6\n00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:32,535\n需求是無止境的啊,因為我們現在AI的發展只有受限於我們的人類、我們地球的資源。主委,本席跟著您的話,您剛講是說AI,我們看到你這兩個報導都講是說人才培育很重要,本席認同啊,但你總是要有一個方向,譬如說我們要多少,五年內要培育多少的人才,那是不是能夠滿足現在一個現況嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:34,315 --> 00:02:59,491\n即便是現在這個行業非常夯也不可能全部人全都投入到這個行業裡面啊所以說本席剛才講是說我認同現在所有學校也都需要導入AI的相關的教學那但是到底我們需求有多少我們的需求是如果是在AI的這個基礎的研究我們當然也是受限於現在我們各大學的招生有沒有去評估過啦\n\n8\n00:03:02,143 --> 00:03:19,751\n現在招生人數就是我們的人數但是運用的這個領域是沒有限制的主委我們拉回來好不好今天在教育及文化委員會第一我們看任何的問題一定是看到這個產業五年內有什麼樣的狀況缺口有多少\n\n9\n00:03:20,311 --> 00:03:34,087\n我們現在也包括說有17所大專業校也都希望有合作夥伴跟這個黃仁勳然後也很多的學校開始開班授課那但是這5年我為什麼會講5年就是大學從畢業\n\n10\n00:03:35,588 --> 00:04:02,795\n從現在大一新生一直到大四說不定再加入在研究所的部分這五年內可能有產出多少人力來滿足這個缺口那如果說不夠的地方是不是也應該找教育部是不是速發部這邊來去討論是不是有一些學校能夠增設科系還是怎麼樣的一個管理而不是說跟我講說雙手一攤講說有啊就學校現在有在生產啊反正有畢業生啊畢業生來之後就可以滿足那缺口有沒有滿足\n\n11\n00:04:04,335 --> 00:04:20,842\n缺口永遠沒有辦法滿足我跟委員報告那永遠沒有辦法那我們解決辦法是什麼我們就是盡力做阿事實就是如此主委那這樣子抱歉我們受限於這個主委你這個答案我真的沒有辦法接受欸\n\n12\n00:04:22,264 --> 00:04:40,597\n我是現在我很心平氣和在跟大家請教因為這個AI的議題會是我們未來五年十年所有人都講是說這很重要那如果說我們國科會主委是這個態度我們就盡力做啊我沒有辦法知道我有多少需求啊那這樣大家都不用談了你的計畫出來要立法院來通過應該要有目標、計期程、方向、預計培養多少人才\n\n13\n00:04:50,123 --> 00:05:13,093\n甚至本席還要再討論是說學校端我現在看到都是屬於學校端的部分那有沒有一般我們已經畢業了社會新鮮人我可能之前我沒有來不及學習到AI但是我現在對於說這樣的一個行業我覺得說有興趣我也希望能夠二度就業轉職我們有沒有相關的計畫去培育人才來去做轉變\n\n14\n00:05:14,229 --> 00:05:24,028\n有報告委員那這樣子會有多少人?我們的計畫是什麼?我們的計畫依照經費編列大概4到5千人但是這個是絕對沒有辦法\n\n15\n00:05:26,823 --> 00:05:27,023\n您的計畫在哪邊?\n\n16\n00:05:50,916 --> 00:05:52,237\n整合的單位是誰?是文國科會?若是科技預算的部分會是?\n\n17\n00:06:19,861 --> 00:06:24,745\n請問您是?我們科技辦的執密。好,科技辦執密。我不客氣地講,執密你了解的業務都比我們主委來得清楚。好,謝謝。\n\n18\n00:06:41,363 --> 00:06:54,682\n所以本席再來講說實在話我今天其實感到非常遺憾居然我們是這樣子的一個質詢接下來的這個計畫是不是方便再給本席辦公室一份好不好\n\n19\n00:07:00,762 --> 00:07:18,753\n主委,我想請教賴金的總統去年競選的時候曾經在新北有提到123的政見不知道您是否了解其中有一個就是針對淡海科學城希望能夠把淡海新市鎮二期的部分土地做開發那這個案件現在是中央主導目前\n\n20\n00:07:22,155 --> 00:07:31,903\n經濟部說是跟國科會經濟部有在評估科學園區跟產業園區的可行性現在進度如何?抱歉這個我還不清楚\n\n21\n00:07:33,705 --> 00:07:34,085\n我請我們處長說明\n\n22\n00:08:02,984 --> 00:08:24,789\n其實從2020年的時候我們就在講新北淡海新市鎮二期現在有總共差不多135公頃的土地而且它對於2025年淡江大橋完工之後的交通淡海新市鎮來但通過淡江大橋來巴黎直接105市道到不管是到台北港能夠直接貨運出去或者是說到桃園機場\n\n23\n00:08:25,849 --> 00:08:28,792\n主要都是這個是一二期這個是內政部在做主導的這個開發計畫那內政部現在找你說找\n\n24\n00:08:42,489 --> 00:09:04,669\n國科會找經濟部那希望是說能夠有明確的一個定位嗎是因為那個剛剛這樣委員提到他的交通位置很重要那未來產業的發展跟新北整個發展是息息相關的所以目前開過很多次會在討論未來產業的定位跟什麼樣的形態開發對這個地方發展是最好的那目前我們持續在開會討論那我們自己國科會有沒有想法\n\n25\n00:09:05,595 --> 00:09:29,549\n因為一樣土地在那邊定位在那邊如果說我們也認為說淡海新市鎮那個地方對於我們整體不管是資源水的部分土地的部分人才的部分都是有所幫助的那我們國科會是不是尤其現在有想就是說中央希望能夠朝綠能跟高科技製造業的方向來進行國科會有沒有想法或是能不能支持\n\n26\n00:09:32,987 --> 00:09:48,453\n我必須要回去瞭解一下,國會的想法當然就是...什麼時候可以瞭解?主委給你一個禮拜時間瞭解可以嗎?你給我一個禮拜我就用一個禮拜的這個程度瞭解,你給我一個月我會...那你要多久時間來瞭解?一個月啦,給我一個月啦。\n\n27\n00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:50,501\n一個月的時間主委\n\n28\n00:10:06,093 --> 00:10:07,814\n一個月給本席及教育及文化委員會書面報告,可以嗎?是,可以。好,謝謝。謝謝洪孟楷。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2495\t29040\t主委好。主委、次長,剛剛本席來聆聽兩位對於這個AI產業的發展跟方向。那我想這是一個非常大的命題,所以今天有幾個部分一定要先跟大家來就教。我先請教,看到AI啦,台灣最近有這個AI樂啦,那我們也看到這個輝達的執行長黃仁勛,他也在台大有發表專題演講,科技巨頭都到,經濟部長、速發部長也有到場。阿諸位,你怎麼沒有到?\n30717\t52197\t我因為會議排得滿滿的。禮拜天晚上也有會議。是是是。那你也有全程觀看了對不對?我有觀看。也有了解他的一些趨勢跟方向。我想共同大家都聚焦在這個項目上。其中不管是數法部或是國科會都有講到人才的部分。那現在本席也看到\n53098\t80035\t主委唸的這個台大電機系一系翻紅很多人說氣醫科要唸電機啊光台中一中今年上台大電機就比以往的人才暴增了三倍那代表是說現在大家都有看到這個但是本席還是要請教因為我們在教育文化委員會要來了解是說到底我們對於未來假設五年內評估AI這個產業我們需要多少人才有沒有說一個估算過\n81721\t102521\tAI的產業當然有非常多元的人才的需求當然核心的人才就是在發展AI的基本的理論演算法以及當它要實現的時候背後的半導體硬體架構等等這些都含在裡面\n103762\t127675\t我想電機系有涵蓋這些範圍是沒有錯但是還有第二個非常重要的人才需求是各行各業在使用AI的時候你必須要去熟悉然後了解怎麼去應用這些AI的工具讓我們在各行各業的發展會更有效率會更省人力表現會更好所以有需求多少\n129150\t152535\t需求是無止境的啊,因為我們現在AI的發展只有受限於我們的人類、我們地球的資源。主委,本席跟著您的話,您剛講是說AI,我們看到你這兩個報導都講是說人才培育很重要,本席認同啊,但你總是要有一個方向,譬如說我們要多少,五年內要培育多少的人才,那是不是能夠滿足現在一個現況嗎?\n154315\t179491\t即便是現在這個行業非常夯也不可能全部人全都投入到這個行業裡面啊所以說本席剛才講是說我認同現在所有學校也都需要導入AI的相關的教學那但是到底我們需求有多少我們的需求是如果是在AI的這個基礎的研究我們當然也是受限於現在我們各大學的招生有沒有去評估過啦\n182143\t199751\t現在招生人數就是我們的人數但是運用的這個領域是沒有限制的主委 我們拉回來好不好今天在教育及文化委員會第一 我們看任何的問題一定是看到這個產業五年內有什麼樣的狀況缺口有多少\n200311\t214087\t我們現在也包括說有17所大專業校也都希望有合作夥伴跟這個黃仁勳然後也很多的學校開始開班授課那但是這5年我為什麼會講5年就是大學從畢業\n215588\t242795\t從現在大一新生一直到大四說不定再加入在研究所的部分這五年內可能有產出多少人力來滿足這個缺口那如果說不夠的地方是不是也應該找教育部是不是速發部這邊來去討論是不是有一些學校能夠增設科系還是怎麼樣的一個管理而不是說跟我講說雙手一攤講說有啊就學校現在有在生產啊反正有畢業生啊畢業生來之後就可以滿足那缺口有沒有滿足\n244335\t260842\t缺口永遠沒有辦法滿足我跟委員報告那永遠沒有辦法 那我們解決辦法是什麼我們就是盡力做阿事實就是如此 主委那這樣子 抱歉我們受限於這個 主委你這個答案我真的沒有辦法接受欸\n262264\t280597\t我是現在我很心平氣和在跟大家請教因為這個AI的議題會是我們未來五年十年所有人都講是說這很重要那如果說我們國科會主委是這個態度我們就盡力做啊我沒有辦法知道我有多少需求啊那這樣大家都不用談了你的計畫出來要立法院來通過應該要有目標、計期程、方向、預計培養多少人才\n290123\t313093\t甚至本席還要再討論是說學校端我現在看到都是屬於學校端的部分那有沒有一般我們已經畢業了社會新鮮人我可能之前我沒有來不及學習到AI但是我現在對於說這樣的一個行業我覺得說有興趣我也希望能夠二度就業轉職我們有沒有相關的計畫去培育人才來去做轉變\n314229\t324028\t有報告委員那這樣子會有多少人?我們的計畫是什麼?我們的計畫依照經費編列大概4到5千人但是這個是絕對沒有辦法\n326823\t327023\t您的計畫在哪邊?\n350916\t352237\t整合的單位是誰?是文國科會?若是科技預算的部分會是?\n379861\t384745\t請問您是?我們科技辦的執密。好,科技辦執密。我不客氣地講,執密你了解的業務都比我們主委來得清楚。好,謝謝。\n401363\t414682\t所以本席再來講說實在話我今天其實感到非常遺憾居然我們是這樣子的一個質詢接下來的這個計畫是不是方便再給本席辦公室一份好不好\n420762\t438753\t主委,我想請教賴金的總統去年競選的時候曾經在新北有提到123的政見不知道您是否了解其中有一個就是針對淡海科學城希望能夠把淡海新市鎮二期的部分土地做開發那這個案件現在是中央主導目前\n442155\t451903\t經濟部說是跟國科會經濟部有在評估科學園區跟產業園區的可行性現在進度如何?抱歉這個我還不清楚\n453705\t454085\t我請我們處長說明\n482984\t504789\t其實從2020年的時候我們就在講新北淡海新市鎮二期現在有總共差不多135公頃的土地而且它對於2025年淡江大橋完工之後的交通淡海新市鎮來但通過淡江大橋來巴黎直接105市道到不管是到台北港能夠直接貨運出去或者是說到桃園機場\n505849\t508792\t主要都是這個是一二期這個是內政部在做主導的這個開發計畫那內政部現在找你說找\n522489\t544669\t國科會找經濟部那希望是說能夠有明確的一個定位嗎是因為那個剛剛這樣委員提到他的交通位置很重要那未來產業的發展跟新北整個發展是息息相關的所以目前開過很多次會在討論未來產業的定位跟什麼樣的形態開發對這個地方發展是最好的那目前我們持續在開會討論那我們自己國科會有沒有想法\n545595\t569549\t因為一樣土地在那邊定位在那邊如果說我們也認為說淡海新市鎮那個地方對於我們整體不管是資源水的部分土地的部分人才的部分都是有所幫助的那我們國科會是不是尤其現在有想就是說中央希望能夠朝綠能跟高科技製造業的方向來進行國科會有沒有想法或是能不能支持\n572987\t588453\t我必須要回去瞭解一下,國會的想法當然就是...什麼時候可以瞭解?主委給你一個禮拜時間瞭解可以嗎?你給我一個禮拜我就用一個禮拜的這個程度瞭解,你給我一個月我會...那你要多久時間來瞭解?一個月啦,給我一個月啦。\n589740\t590501\t一個月的時間 主委\n606093\t607814\t一個月給本席及教育及文化委員會書面報告,可以嗎?是,可以。好,謝謝。謝謝洪孟楷。\n","txt":"主委好。主委、次長,剛剛本席來聆聽兩位對於這個AI產業的發展跟方向。那我想這是一個非常大的命題,所以今天有幾個部分一定要先跟大家來就教。我先請教,看到AI啦,台灣最近有這個AI樂啦,那我們也看到這個輝達的執行長黃仁勛,他也在台大有發表專題演講,科技巨頭都到,經濟部長、速發部長也有到場。阿諸位,你怎麼沒有到?\n我因為會議排得滿滿的。禮拜天晚上也有會議。是是是。那你也有全程觀看了對不對?我有觀看。也有了解他的一些趨勢跟方向。我想共同大家都聚焦在這個項目上。其中不管是數法部或是國科會都有講到人才的部分。那現在本席也看到\n主委唸的這個台大電機系一系翻紅很多人說氣醫科要唸電機啊光台中一中今年上台大電機就比以往的人才暴增了三倍那代表是說現在大家都有看到這個但是本席還是要請教因為我們在教育文化委員會要來了解是說到底我們對於未來假設五年內評估AI這個產業我們需要多少人才有沒有說一個估算過\nAI的產業當然有非常多元的人才的需求當然核心的人才就是在發展AI的基本的理論演算法以及當它要實現的時候背後的半導體硬體架構等等這些都含在裡面\n我想電機系有涵蓋這些範圍是沒有錯但是還有第二個非常重要的人才需求是各行各業在使用AI的時候你必須要去熟悉然後了解怎麼去應用這些AI的工具讓我們在各行各業的發展會更有效率會更省人力表現會更好所以有需求多少\n需求是無止境的啊,因為我們現在AI的發展只有受限於我們的人類、我們地球的資源。主委,本席跟著您的話,您剛講是說AI,我們看到你這兩個報導都講是說人才培育很重要,本席認同啊,但你總是要有一個方向,譬如說我們要多少,五年內要培育多少的人才,那是不是能夠滿足現在一個現況嗎?\n即便是現在這個行業非常夯也不可能全部人全都投入到這個行業裡面啊所以說本席剛才講是說我認同現在所有學校也都需要導入AI的相關的教學那但是到底我們需求有多少我們的需求是如果是在AI的這個基礎的研究我們當然也是受限於現在我們各大學的招生有沒有去評估過啦\n現在招生人數就是我們的人數但是運用的這個領域是沒有限制的主委 我們拉回來好不好今天在教育及文化委員會第一 我們看任何的問題一定是看到這個產業五年內有什麼樣的狀況缺口有多少\n我們現在也包括說有17所大專業校也都希望有合作夥伴跟這個黃仁勳然後也很多的學校開始開班授課那但是這5年我為什麼會講5年就是大學從畢業\n從現在大一新生一直到大四說不定再加入在研究所的部分這五年內可能有產出多少人力來滿足這個缺口那如果說不夠的地方是不是也應該找教育部是不是速發部這邊來去討論是不是有一些學校能夠增設科系還是怎麼樣的一個管理而不是說跟我講說雙手一攤講說有啊就學校現在有在生產啊反正有畢業生啊畢業生來之後就可以滿足那缺口有沒有滿足\n缺口永遠沒有辦法滿足我跟委員報告那永遠沒有辦法 那我們解決辦法是什麼我們就是盡力做阿事實就是如此 主委那這樣子 抱歉我們受限於這個 主委你這個答案我真的沒有辦法接受欸\n我是現在我很心平氣和在跟大家請教因為這個AI的議題會是我們未來五年十年所有人都講是說這很重要那如果說我們國科會主委是這個態度我們就盡力做啊我沒有辦法知道我有多少需求啊那這樣大家都不用談了你的計畫出來要立法院來通過應該要有目標、計期程、方向、預計培養多少人才\n甚至本席還要再討論是說學校端我現在看到都是屬於學校端的部分那有沒有一般我們已經畢業了社會新鮮人我可能之前我沒有來不及學習到AI但是我現在對於說這樣的一個行業我覺得說有興趣我也希望能夠二度就業轉職我們有沒有相關的計畫去培育人才來去做轉變\n有報告委員那這樣子會有多少人?我們的計畫是什麼?我們的計畫依照經費編列大概4到5千人但是這個是絕對沒有辦法\n您的計畫在哪邊?\n整合的單位是誰?是文國科會?若是科技預算的部分會是?\n請問您是?我們科技辦的執密。好,科技辦執密。我不客氣地講,執密你了解的業務都比我們主委來得清楚。好,謝謝。\n所以本席再來講說實在話我今天其實感到非常遺憾居然我們是這樣子的一個質詢接下來的這個計畫是不是方便再給本席辦公室一份好不好\n主委,我想請教賴金的總統去年競選的時候曾經在新北有提到123的政見不知道您是否了解其中有一個就是針對淡海科學城希望能夠把淡海新市鎮二期的部分土地做開發那這個案件現在是中央主導目前\n經濟部說是跟國科會經濟部有在評估科學園區跟產業園區的可行性現在進度如何?抱歉這個我還不清楚\n我請我們處長說明\n其實從2020年的時候我們就在講新北淡海新市鎮二期現在有總共差不多135公頃的土地而且它對於2025年淡江大橋完工之後的交通淡海新市鎮來但通過淡江大橋來巴黎直接105市道到不管是到台北港能夠直接貨運出去或者是說到桃園機場\n主要都是這個是一二期這個是內政部在做主導的這個開發計畫那內政部現在找你說找\n國科會找經濟部那希望是說能夠有明確的一個定位嗎是因為那個剛剛這樣委員提到他的交通位置很重要那未來產業的發展跟新北整個發展是息息相關的所以目前開過很多次會在討論未來產業的定位跟什麼樣的形態開發對這個地方發展是最好的那目前我們持續在開會討論那我們自己國科會有沒有想法\n因為一樣土地在那邊定位在那邊如果說我們也認為說淡海新市鎮那個地方對於我們整體不管是資源水的部分土地的部分人才的部分都是有所幫助的那我們國科會是不是尤其現在有想就是說中央希望能夠朝綠能跟高科技製造業的方向來進行國科會有沒有想法或是能不能支持\n我必須要回去瞭解一下,國會的想法當然就是...什麼時候可以瞭解?主委給你一個禮拜時間瞭解可以嗎?你給我一個禮拜我就用一個禮拜的這個程度瞭解,你給我一個月我會...那你要多久時間來瞭解?一個月啦,給我一個月啦。\n一個月的時間 主委\n一個月給本席及教育及文化委員會書面報告,可以嗎?是,可以。好,謝謝。謝謝洪孟楷。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.495 --> 00:29.040\n主委好。主委、次長,剛剛本席來聆聽兩位對於這個AI產業的發展跟方向。那我想這是一個非常大的命題,所以今天有幾個部分一定要先跟大家來就教。我先請教,看到AI啦,台灣最近有這個AI樂啦,那我們也看到這個輝達的執行長黃仁勛,他也在台大有發表專題演講,科技巨頭都到,經濟部長、速發部長也有到場。阿諸位,你怎麼沒有到?\n\n00:30.717 --> 00:52.197\n我因為會議排得滿滿的。禮拜天晚上也有會議。是是是。那你也有全程觀看了對不對?我有觀看。也有了解他的一些趨勢跟方向。我想共同大家都聚焦在這個項目上。其中不管是數法部或是國科會都有講到人才的部分。那現在本席也看到\n\n00:53.098 --> 01:20.035\n主委唸的這個台大電機系一系翻紅很多人說氣醫科要唸電機啊光台中一中今年上台大電機就比以往的人才暴增了三倍那代表是說現在大家都有看到這個但是本席還是要請教因為我們在教育文化委員會要來了解是說到底我們對於未來假設五年內評估AI這個產業我們需要多少人才有沒有說一個估算過\n\n01:21.721 --> 01:42.521\nAI的產業當然有非常多元的人才的需求當然核心的人才就是在發展AI的基本的理論演算法以及當它要實現的時候背後的半導體硬體架構等等這些都含在裡面\n\n01:43.762 --> 02:07.675\n我想電機系有涵蓋這些範圍是沒有錯但是還有第二個非常重要的人才需求是各行各業在使用AI的時候你必須要去熟悉然後了解怎麼去應用這些AI的工具讓我們在各行各業的發展會更有效率會更省人力表現會更好所以有需求多少\n\n02:09.150 --> 02:32.535\n需求是無止境的啊,因為我們現在AI的發展只有受限於我們的人類、我們地球的資源。主委,本席跟著您的話,您剛講是說AI,我們看到你這兩個報導都講是說人才培育很重要,本席認同啊,但你總是要有一個方向,譬如說我們要多少,五年內要培育多少的人才,那是不是能夠滿足現在一個現況嗎?\n\n02:34.315 --> 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