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00:01:11,782\n國人來講都是非常振奮那臺灣有力量可是臺灣的力量來自於臺灣人的加倍的努力那在住在國外的華人都對於尤其臺灣人非常努力的那我們的外交呢也非常努力的雖然即便今天臺灣在加入國際組織受到中國打壓我們還是持續的去爭取加入目的是要把握\n\n4\n00:01:12,482 --> 00:01:12,622\n在生醫產業嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:41,261 --> 00:02:06,573\n就是我們的醫療或的是我們的製藥產業我想我們過去能夠今天傲視在世界各國大概有我想世界各個醫療的組織都很清楚臺灣有兩點第一點是臺灣擁有很高品質的醫療防疫的水準第二個我們又很樂於\n\n6\n00:02:08,254 --> 00:02:22,618\n來幫忙很多需要的國家所以很多國家願意支持我們雖然政治的因素那我覺得我們要把握這樣的一個趨勢那相信我們的很多國內的精英都投入在醫藥為國會相關的發展應該是\n\n7\n00:02:27,339 --> 00:02:42,476\n很有實力跟半導體一樣的一個發展來展現我們生意的實力是有另外一個護國的神山好那也就是期待著部長在任內能夠多這個著力大家一起努力\n\n8\n00:02:43,704 --> 00:03:00,960\n過去呢事實上臺灣多次因為受到WHO的那個排斥跟中國對於訊息的掩蓋發生我們的疾病疫情在延誤防疫以致於國民大量死亡像1998年我們的長病毒71型\n\n9\n00:03:02,501 --> 00:03:17,592\n還有2003年的SARS可是我們都撐過來了那成為得以輸出防疫技術的優等生所以想問部長這邊那國際衛生組織的功能在於串聯會員國然後在公共衛生的這個議題上達到資訊同步\n\n10\n00:03:20,013 --> 00:03:45,114\n以便即時防疫還有互相支援的效果可是臺灣不是WHO的會員連WHA都進不去以後我們未來如何確保在國際新的疫情發生時取得即時的那個資訊獲得所需要的技術跟資源好謝謝委員的質詢那我想我們臺灣人尤其臺灣的醫療團體絕對不是坐以待斃\n\n11\n00:03:50,627 --> 00:03:54,192\n我們這個目標可能達不到,那只是一個目標\n\n12\n00:03:55,697 --> 00:04:19,318\n但是我們維護全臺灣2350萬個人民的健康權利我想所有在座的以及所有的醫療團體都是日以繼夜在努力的一個事情所以我們會有然後我們的醫療體系的韌性又夠他的偵查性也夠所以我們在不管是在第一線我舉個例子從在\n\n13\n00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:42,489\nCOVID的時候其實第一線當然是我們很感謝我們機關署像羅一鈞副署長能夠他利用他的資訊能力能夠早日發現到一個訊息其實在那個時候已經很有第一線的醫師已經都發現到有相關的一個發燒不明發燒的問題\n\n14\n00:04:45,546 --> 00:04:53,318\n那剛開始的時候有從大陸回來的數十萬個人百分之八十都跑到基層醫療去看\n\n15\n00:04:54,907 --> 00:05:22,400\n我們基層醫療在過去大家的能力包括我們在座的施行前委員、理事長、領導的整個醫療團隊其實在基層醫療扎下了很大的一個基礎所以馬上反應也馬上舉行了不管是醫院跟基層醫療的一個防衛作戰所以我覺得我這樣的舉例就是說我們的醫療韌性其實是相當的夠而且這樣的努力我希望我們未來國家\n\n16\n00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:48,602\n能夠共同來健康投資,讓我們的醫療韌性能夠更加的增強。今年事實上牙醫師公會、全國聯合會也組團隨部長去日內瓦倡議。他們召開了國際的研討會以外也拜訪了世界牙醫的聯盟和世界公共衛生組織聯盟和日內瓦大學。\n\n17\n00:05:49,434 --> 00:06:16,419\n那民間團體呢事實上這麼樣去支持也這麼樣有活力那可是相對的我不知道今天我們事實上是透過你的書面報告才看到說事實上本次的出訪成果非常豐碩可是這些資訊呢都沒有辦法即時性的系統性的傳回臺灣反而我們事實上是透過牙齒公關他們在當地的做的一些東西所以本席以為對國人的宣傳不足有損民眾的知情權所以會不會福布有沒有針對這個去做探討\n\n18\n00:06:17,259 --> 00:06:39,206\n為什麼這資訊都沒有辦法即時的回到國內讓國人知道?謝謝委員的質詢在我的想像所有的信息應該馬上第一步就應該要給全國尤其像立法院是人民的代表機關以及新聞媒體其實\n\n19\n00:06:41,770 --> 00:07:05,159\n其實那個我們在臉書這一次我還是要感謝很多媒體他們真的是自己出錢文字記者還有錄影的這樣好幾對過去可以說是日以繼夜把我們所有的能夠造的活動都盡量傳達是可是我們現在看到的就是一家民眾媒體其實我們有20篇的推文\n\n20\n00:07:08,393 --> 00:07:22,390\n大概觸及的人是有七十一六萬的人互動的也有一萬多人所以其實在這個報告後面是不是可以再把報告我想如果委員有這樣的發現的話我們一定徹底檢討\n\n21\n00:07:25,414 --> 00:07:39,695\n因為聯合國在宣誓2030年全民健康覆蓋UHC要達到90%可是被COVID-19打亂了所以他在2023年的9月的時候也發表一定要\n\n22\n00:07:41,477 --> 00:08:03,794\n的決心,那想問一下部長,這張指標臺灣提早了35年就打標了,那如果這事實上是衛福部公布的表單,所以我們35年已經打標的話,那未來要展現在跟國際的一個倡議,所以想問說政府未來如何協助,如果我們有這麼好的東西,如何協助其他國家也能夠打標?\n\n23\n00:08:04,948 --> 00:08:18,823\n市長謝謝委員這個很好的問題。第一個我們所謂的USC,國外看起來是因為我們有全民健保,所以都認為我們是USC的魔幻國家。\n\n24\n00:08:19,924 --> 00:08:41,571\n可是當我們還是發現的在這樣的全民健保裡面有很多不管是在品質不管是在醫療人力的一個尊嚴跟收入其實都有相關的問題所以我想在座的很多委員也都發現這些問題一直在努力所以我認為在國內我們除了有因爲是吸這種\n\n25\n00:08:42,931 --> 00:09:00,637\n還不錯的形象以外要落實到各級醫療都能夠去做以病人為中心的整合性的健康照顧體系去整合這個才是infrastructure才能夠在10年20年還能夠站到世界的舞台去所以我們要從\n\n26\n00:09:02,145 --> 00:09:07,727\n最後就有一個問題要請教部長就是說上中國的威脅無所不在一直以來台灣很多企業也抱持因為要跟全球經濟\n\n27\n00:09:27,524 --> 00:09:51,583\n提起的脈絡合作所以大家都不排除跟中國有具有中國國企背景的企業合作那這個問題就會影響到企業界那切件當然包含衛福部所管轄的醫療跟醫藥產業那可是國人最擔心的是各自的外洩所以想問衛福部預告限制需要批發零售業將當事人個人資料\n\n28\n00:09:53,223 --> 00:10:12,022\n國際傳輸到大陸的地區草案用意在禁止藥商洩漏臺灣民眾個資給中國所以這預計大概怎麼時候實行那另外一個就要問的是只限制西藥的批發零售、洩漏個資可是對於西藥的製造商、醫院、實驗室、洩漏個資的問題\n\n29\n00:10:14,324 --> 00:10:36,536\n衛福部似乎有所缺肉,請問一下大概怎麼做?因為時間的關係,所以是不是這部分請...我想有關於這件事情,我們的立場第一個就是國家安全第一,個人的資料也是必須要保護的個人潛力,那有關於剛剛委員執行的這件事情,這個相關的資料我們會在\n\n30\n00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:41,331\n國際參與事務要化被動為主動．防範中國功勞\n\n31\n00:11:06,050 --> 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性的健康照顧體系去整合這個才是infrastructure才能夠在10年20年還能夠站到世界的舞台去所以我們要從\n最後就有一個問題要請教部長就是說上中國的威脅無所不在一直以來台灣很多企業也抱持因為要跟全球經濟\n提起的脈絡合作所以大家都不排除跟中國有具有中國國企背景的企業合作那這個問題就會影響到企業界那切件當然包含衛福部所管轄的醫療跟醫藥產業那可是國人最擔心的是各自的外洩所以想問衛福部預告限制需要批發零售業將當事人個人資料\n國際傳輸到大陸的地區草案用意在禁止藥商洩漏臺灣民眾個資給中國所以這預計大概怎麼時候實行那另外一個就要問的是只限制西藥的批發零售、洩漏個資可是對於西藥的製造商、醫院、實驗室、洩漏個資的問題\n衛福部似乎有所缺肉,請問一下大概怎麼做?因為時間的關係,所以是不是這部分請...我想有關於這件事情,我們的立場第一個就是國家安全第一,個人的資料也是必須要保護的個人潛力,那有關於剛剛委員執行的這件事情,這個相關的資料我們會在\n國際參與事務要化被動為主動．防範中國功勞\n接下來請陳昭文委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:07.614\n邀請我們邱部長邱部長\n\n00:16.585 --> 00:39.605\n部長早部長也辛苦了一上任就帶團到日內網為我們臺灣參加WHA的那個世界衛生大會做倡議那在這邊也向您致敬那這幾天有一個更重大的就是說輝達執行長王仁勳宣布要在我們的臺灣設所謂的超級電腦把臺灣打造成AI重鎮那我想這個消息對\n\n00:44.649 --> 01:11.782\n國人來講都是非常振奮那臺灣有力量可是臺灣的力量來自於臺灣人的加倍的努力那在住在國外的華人都對於尤其臺灣人非常努力的那我們的外交呢也非常努力的雖然即便今天臺灣在加入國際組織受到中國打壓我們還是持續的去爭取加入目的是要把握\n\n01:12.482 --> 01:12.622\n在生醫產業嗎?\n\n01:41.261 --> 02:06.573\n就是我們的醫療或的是我們的製藥產業我想我們過去能夠今天傲視在世界各國大概有我想世界各個醫療的組織都很清楚臺灣有兩點第一點是臺灣擁有很高品質的醫療防疫的水準第二個我們又很樂於\n\n02:08.254 --> 02:22.618\n來幫忙很多需要的國家所以很多國家願意支持我們雖然政治的因素那我覺得我們要把握這樣的一個趨勢那相信我們的很多國內的精英都投入在醫藥為國會相關的發展應該是\n\n02:27.339 --> 02:42.476\n很有實力跟半導體一樣的一個發展來展現我們生意的實力是有另外一個護國的神山好那也就是期待著部長在任內能夠多這個著力大家一起努力\n\n02:43.704 --> 03:00.960\n過去呢事實上臺灣多次因為受到WHO的那個排斥跟中國對於訊息的掩蓋發生我們的疾病疫情在延誤防疫以致於國民大量死亡像1998年我們的長病毒71型\n\n03:02.501 --> 03:17.592\n還有2003年的SARS可是我們都撐過來了那成為得以輸出防疫技術的優等生所以想問部長這邊那國際衛生組織的功能在於串聯會員國然後在公共衛生的這個議題上達到資訊同步\n\n03:20.013 --> 03:45.114\n以便即時防疫還有互相支援的效果可是臺灣不是WHO的會員連WHA都進不去以後我們未來如何確保在國際新的疫情發生時取得即時的那個資訊獲得所需要的技術跟資源好謝謝委員的質詢那我想我們臺灣人尤其臺灣的醫療團體絕對不是坐以待斃\n\n03:50.627 --> 03:54.192\n我們這個目標可能達不到,那只是一個目標\n\n03:55.697 --> 04:19.318\n但是我們維護全臺灣2350萬個人民的健康權利我想所有在座的以及所有的醫療團體都是日以繼夜在努力的一個事情所以我們會有然後我們的醫療體系的韌性又夠他的偵查性也夠所以我們在不管是在第一線我舉個例子從在\n\n04:21.900 --> 04:42.489\nCOVID的時候其實第一線當然是我們很感謝我們機關署像羅一鈞副署長能夠他利用他的資訊能力能夠早日發現到一個訊息其實在那個時候已經很有第一線的醫師已經都發現到有相關的一個發燒不明發燒的問題\n\n04:45.546 --> 04:53.318\n那剛開始的時候有從大陸回來的數十萬個人百分之八十都跑到基層醫療去看\n\n04:54.907 --> 05:22.400\n我們基層醫療在過去大家的能力包括我們在座的施行前委員、理事長、領導的整個醫療團隊其實在基層醫療扎下了很大的一個基礎所以馬上反應也馬上舉行了不管是醫院跟基層醫療的一個防衛作戰所以我覺得我這樣的舉例就是說我們的醫療韌性其實是相當的夠而且這樣的努力我希望我們未來國家\n\n05:23.320 --> 05:48.602\n能夠共同來健康投資,讓我們的醫療韌性能夠更加的增強。今年事實上牙醫師公會、全國聯合會也組團隨部長去日內瓦倡議。他們召開了國際的研討會以外也拜訪了世界牙醫的聯盟和世界公共衛生組織聯盟和日內瓦大學。\n\n05:49.434 --> 06:16.419\n那民間團體呢事實上這麼樣去支持也這麼樣有活力那可是相對的我不知道今天我們事實上是透過你的書面報告才看到說事實上本次的出訪成果非常豐碩可是這些資訊呢都沒有辦法即時性的系統性的傳回臺灣反而我們事實上是透過牙齒公關他們在當地的做的一些東西所以本席以為對國人的宣傳不足有損民眾的知情權所以會不會福布有沒有針對這個去做探討\n\n06:17.259 --> 06:39.206\n為什麼這資訊都沒有辦法即時的回到國內讓國人知道?謝謝委員的質詢在我的想像所有的信息應該馬上第一步就應該要給全國尤其像立法院是人民的代表機關以及新聞媒體其實\n\n06:41.770 --> 07:05.159\n其實那個我們在臉書這一次我還是要感謝很多媒體他們真的是自己出錢文字記者還有錄影的這樣好幾對過去可以說是日以繼夜把我們所有的能夠造的活動都盡量傳達是可是我們現在看到的就是一家民眾媒體其實我們有20篇的推文\n\n07:08.393 --> 07:22.390\n大概觸及的人是有七十一六萬的人互動的也有一萬多人所以其實在這個報告後面是不是可以再把報告我想如果委員有這樣的發現的話我們一定徹底檢討\n\n07:25.414 --> 07:39.695\n因為聯合國在宣誓2030年全民健康覆蓋UHC要達到90%可是被COVID-19打亂了所以他在2023年的9月的時候也發表一定要\n\n07:41.477 --> 08:03.794\n的決心,那想問一下部長,這張指標臺灣提早了35年就打標了,那如果這事實上是衛福部公布的表單,所以我們35年已經打標的話,那未來要展現在跟國際的一個倡議,所以想問說政府未來如何協助,如果我們有這麼好的東西,如何協助其他國家也能夠打標?\n\n08:04.948 --> 08:18.823\n市長謝謝委員這個很好的問題。第一個我們所謂的USC,國外看起來是因為我們有全民健保,所以都認為我們是USC的魔幻國家。\n\n08:19.924 --> 08:41.571\n可是當我們還是發現的在這樣的全民健保裡面有很多不管是在品質不管是在醫療人力的一個尊嚴跟收入其實都有相關的問題所以我想在座的很多委員也都發現這些問題一直在努力所以我認為在國內我們除了有因爲是吸這種\n\n08:42.931 --> 09:00.637\n還不錯的形象以外要落實到各級醫療都能夠去做以病人為中心的整合性的健康照顧體系去整合這個才是infrastructure才能夠在10年20年還能夠站到世界的舞台去所以我們要從\n\n09:02.145 --> 09:07.727\n最後就有一個問題要請教部長就是說上中國的威脅無所不在一直以來台灣很多企業也抱持因為要跟全球經濟\n\n09:27.524 --> 09:51.583\n提起的脈絡合作所以大家都不排除跟中國有具有中國國企背景的企業合作那這個問題就會影響到企業界那切件當然包含衛福部所管轄的醫療跟醫藥產業那可是國人最擔心的是各自的外洩所以想問衛福部預告限制需要批發零售業將當事人個人資料\n\n09:53.223 --> 10:12.022\n國際傳輸到大陸的地區草案用意在禁止藥商洩漏臺灣民眾個資給中國所以這預計大概怎麼時候實行那另外一個就要問的是只限制西藥的批發零售、洩漏個資可是對於西藥的製造商、醫院、實驗室、洩漏個資的問題\n\n10:14.324 --> 10:36.536\n衛福部似乎有所缺肉,請問一下大概怎麼做?因為時間的關係,所以是不是這部分請...我想有關於這件事情,我們的立場第一個就是國家安全第一,個人的資料也是必須要保護的個人潛力,那有關於剛剛委員執行的這件事情,這個相關的資料我們會在\n\n10:39.690 --> 10:41.331\n國際參與事務要化被動為主動．防範中國功勞\n\n11:06.050 --> 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