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00:00:29,228\n大家好歡迎回到這個國防外交那這一個我還是一樣就是說我先重整一下之前的問題那大部分今天還是會關注在這個退降跟就業輔導這兩大問題上面那我就直接先從這一個新聞來切入就是這一次一樣就是一樣會有這一個黃埔那這一次我們可以看到這個專修班校友會這個理事長蔣承隆有講到說他要回到這個發源地要回到這個主校來慎重追援\n\n2\n00:00:30,149 --> 00:00:56,975\n那這裡面有好幾個層次的問題那我一個一個來問第一個我想先問一下就是退府會對於這個的立場就是說在這幾年呢在2023年的時候有講到三不原則不接受採訪啊不發表政治言論不要有媒體報導那接下來呢這個4月的時候說建議不要去那後來還有發這個賦辱貼心的這個小叮嚀那這是去年有做的那不知道以今年來說目前的態度以及有做的措施為何\n\n3\n00:00:57,635 --> 00:01:20,198\n各位委員報告今年是我們黃埔建軍百年的孝慶這是非常重大的一個日子跟活動我們退府會有關系的以本會為目的的事業主管機關有36個退府的組織社團我們一直以來都在做宣導第一個就提醒\n\n4\n00:01:22,059 --> 00:01:44,428\n要秉持對等尊嚴,然後遵守兩岸條例相關的法律規範,這是最重要的。要記得保護自己,不得從事防害國家安全和利益的活動,這是第一個大前提。當然第二個就是委員剛剛這裡面所提到的三不原則,不接受媒體採訪,不發表政策,也不要有媒體報導。另外我們特別強調,\n\n5\n00:01:47,083 --> 00:01:51,774\n黃埔百年孝敬的陣頭是在我們台灣的鳳山在我們的鳳山\n\n6\n00:01:53,908 --> 00:02:19,934\n因為先總統蔣公當初創校第一任校長來我們鳳山副校也是先總統蔣公所以這才是陣頭我們一再的宣導當然我們退伍軍人這些相關社團他們都非常是大體都非常明理展現大仁大義的精神就我們現在所了解\n\n7\n00:02:21,034 --> 00:02:21,314\n沈伯洋議員\n\n8\n00:02:38,441 --> 00:02:38,662\n沈伯洋議員\n\n9\n00:03:08,081 --> 00:03:13,623\n在6月15跟16號的時候我們自己也應該會有活動所以可以跟他去辦在同一個時間這才是重要的為什麼就是因為像我們看到這一個七天六月之旅他這個65歲以上要1萬765歲要1萬9這個金額其實跟以前比較起來看起來是比較高所以當然對我們來講就是說這個金額高的時候他們當然會比較不願意去\n\n10\n00:03:36,131 --> 00:03:56,172\n但是如果他的金額變成只有7500跟9500的時候他的誘因還是會在所以就像剛剛竹偉講的其實不能只是我們不可能跟他做這種金錢上的角逐而是因為把這一個話語權搶回來應該還是比較重要的事情那我接下來要問的第二件事情就是因為退降畢竟還是這個中國滲透非常重要的一個對象\n\n11\n00:03:57,373 --> 00:04:21,216\n在前幾個月我們在討論這些所有滲透事項的時候大部分來講可以看到中間這一排的工具就是旅遊、金錢跟發展願景這幾個它不太會有其他的理由它要麼就是用旅遊要麼就是用金錢做引誘要麼就是用發展跟願景那這個旅遊這個部分一直以來我覺得是比較難掌握的地方\n\n12\n00:04:21,676 --> 00:04:39,072\n那因為之前這個主委因為已經接近520的交接所以沒有辦法這個做盤點那我希望看能不能在這兩個月的時候呢看能不能先稍微掌握一下目前從事這個旅遊業相關的大概到底有多少人因為畢竟這個是屬於高風險不對吧他們有問題\n\n13\n00:04:39,733 --> 00:04:39,893\n沈伯洋議員\n\n14\n00:04:57,662 --> 00:05:24,901\n福利相關的我相信很多委員應該會關心所以就業我記得上次在最後的時候有提到這個指壓發展對不對那我先從這一次的業務報告來看就是我們有看到這個是這一個專案徵才活動那可以看到這個參加人數跟這個這個媒合率看起來是不錯但是因為參加人數跟那個退的那個人數看起來好像有一個落差所以是不是可以先說明一下為什麼他的參加人數跟這一個因為畢竟不管第一類還第二類都已經有上萬\n\n15\n00:05:25,942 --> 00:05:44,464\n這一個為何參加人數沒有那麼多的原因為何?這個我跟委員說明一下他這個是專案徵才所以專案徵才是針對特定的專長像國軍來講他有化學兵、工兵、資訊、通信這些這是屬於特殊的專長\n\n16\n00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:45,385\n沈伯洋議員\n\n17\n00:06:06,952 --> 00:06:15,220\n那這個專案真材所以這邊就點出一個問題就是說其實在專案的部分因為它本來就是有一定的專長所以它媒合率自然會高那如果不能被分類在這個裡面的人對我們來講我們還是需要能夠輔助他就業嗎這會很重要的\n\n18\n00:06:32,495 --> 00:06:54,207\n所以這就是又回到之前講到這個質押探索就是說我看一下往下就是說我們的這一格質押探索營目前是15個場次450人那一直以來呢就是就我們自己的了解質押探索是可以讓他自己知道他可能要往哪一個方向發展那當然呢我覺得這也是蠻重要的因為最近立法院有一個壞習慣就是說呢我們認為重要的比如說我認為這個質押探索營要辦15場我覺得太少\n\n19\n00:06:59,170 --> 00:07:18,317\n所以我乾脆立一個法說一年要辦300場預算要放個1000萬這是不合理的事情立法委員的職責應該是我們建議說我們目前看到的在執行上面這個執行看起來特別好那如果特別好的話行政機關才是真正了解的那行政機關就應該要可能編列在預算裡面\n\n20\n00:07:19,057 --> 00:07:19,498\n我請池組長跟您報告\n\n21\n00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:53,031\n召委委員大家好我是就學就業處處長跟委員報告職在探索營的成效都是高達百分之九十幾的一個滿意度成效非常好那但是因為這些參加人員的對象是要由國防部來提供那國防部坦白講因為他\n\n22\n00:07:54,632 --> 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謝謝\n","txt":"大家好歡迎回到這個國防外交那這一個我還是一樣就是說我先重整一下之前的問題那大部分今天還是會關注在這個退降跟就業輔導這兩大問題上面那我就直接先從這一個新聞來切入就是這一次一樣就是一樣會有這一個黃埔那這一次我們可以看到這個專修班校友會這個理事長蔣承隆有講到說他要回到這個發源地要回到這個主校來慎重追援\n那這裡面有好幾個層次的問題那我一個一個來問第一個我想先問一下就是退府會對於這個的立場就是說在這幾年呢在2023年的時候有講到三不原則不接受採訪啊不發表政治言論不要有媒體報導那接下來呢這個4月的時候說建議不要去那後來還有發這個賦辱貼心的這個小叮嚀那這是去年有做的那不知道以今年來說目前的態度以及有做的措施為何\n各位委員報告今年是我們黃埔建軍百年的孝慶這是非常重大的一個日子跟活動我們退府會有關系的以本會為目的的事業主管機關有36個退府的組織社團我們一直以來都在做宣導第一個就提醒\n要秉持對等尊嚴,然後遵守兩岸條例相關的法律規範,這是最重要的。要記得保護自己,不得從事防害國家安全和利益的活動,這是第一個大前提。當然第二個就是委員剛剛這裡面所提到的三不原則,不接受媒體採訪,不發表政策,也不要有媒體報導。另外我們特別強調,\n黃埔百年孝敬的陣頭是在我們台灣的鳳山在我們的鳳山\n因為先總統蔣公當初創校第一任校長來我們鳳山副校也是先總統蔣公所以這才是陣頭我們一再的宣導當然我們退伍軍人這些相關社團他們都非常是大體都非常明理展現大仁大義的精神就我們現在所了解\n沈伯洋議員\n沈伯洋議員\n在6月15跟16號的時候我們自己也應該會有活動所以可以跟他去辦在同一個時間這才是重要的為什麼就是因為像我們看到這一個七天六月之旅他這個65歲以上要1萬765歲要1萬9這個金額其實跟以前比較起來看起來是比較高所以當然對我們來講就是說這個金額高的時候他們當然會比較不願意去\n但是如果他的金額變成只有7500跟9500的時候他的誘因還是會在所以就像剛剛竹偉講的其實不能只是我們不可能跟他做這種金錢上的角逐而是因為把這一個話語權搶回來應該還是比較重要的事情那我接下來要問的第二件事情就是因為退降畢竟還是這個中國滲透非常重要的一個對象\n在前幾個月我們在討論這些所有滲透事項的時候大部分來講可以看到中間這一排的工具就是旅遊、金錢跟發展願景這幾個它不太會有其他的理由它要麼就是用旅遊要麼就是用金錢做引誘要麼就是用發展跟願景那這個旅遊這個部分一直以來我覺得是比較難掌握的地方\n那因為之前這個主委因為已經接近520的交接所以沒有辦法這個做盤點那我希望看能不能在這兩個月的時候呢看能不能先稍微掌握一下目前從事這個旅遊業相關的大概到底有多少人因為畢竟這個是屬於高風險不對吧他們有問題\n沈伯洋議員\n福利相關的我相信很多委員應該會關心所以就業我記得上次在最後的時候有提到這個指壓發展對不對那我先從這一次的業務報告來看就是我們有看到這個是這一個專案徵才活動那可以看到這個參加人數跟這個這個媒合率看起來是不錯但是因為參加人數跟那個退的那個人數看起來好像有一個落差所以是不是可以先說明一下為什麼他的參加人數跟這一個因為畢竟不管第一類還第二類都已經有上萬\n這一個為何參加人數沒有那麼多的原因為何?這個我跟委員說明一下他這個是專案徵才所以專案徵才是針對特定的專長像國軍來講他有化學兵、工兵、資訊、通信這些這是屬於特殊的專長\n沈伯洋議員\n那這個專案真材所以這邊就點出一個問題就是說其實在專案的部分因為它本來就是有一定的專長所以它媒合率自然會高那如果不能被分類在這個裡面的人對我們來講我們還是需要能夠輔助他就業嗎這會很重要的\n所以這就是又回到之前講到這個質押探索就是說我看一下往下就是說我們的這一格質押探索營目前是15個場次450人那一直以來呢就是就我們自己的了解質押探索是可以讓他自己知道他可能要往哪一個方向發展那當然呢我覺得這也是蠻重要的因為最近立法院有一個壞習慣就是說呢我們認為重要的比如說我認為這個質押探索營要辦15場我覺得太少\n所以我乾脆立一個法說一年要辦300場預算要放個1000萬這是不合理的事情立法委員的職責應該是我們建議說我們目前看到的在執行上面這個執行看起來特別好那如果特別好的話行政機關才是真正了解的那行政機關就應該要可能編列在預算裡面\n我請池組長跟您報告\n召委委員大家好我是就學就業處處長跟委員報告職在探索營的成效都是高達百分之九十幾的一個滿意度成效非常好那但是因為這些參加人員的對象是要由國防部來提供那國防部坦白講因為他\n實踐的關係那我就先到這邊 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