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00:02:40,561\n將支持也就是在2023年合訂的這樣的一個南部科學園區擴建高雄第三園區籌備中心就為了半導體南台灣的S南帶我們將投資156億當然我們相關的道路交通也在含在裡面第二個訊息給你的是我們人才也就在6月2號前幾天的時候我們高雄市政府也正式的跟清華大學以及陽明交通大學設校在高雄\n\n9\n00:02:41,201 --> 00:02:52,475\n建立分校教育部補助了1.8億既有人才既有行政院支持我不知道在揮打現在就兩大區域在做這個選擇那我當然認為揮打在整個台灣的半島地來講\n\n10\n00:02:57,401 --> 00:02:57,421\n林岱樺\n\n11\n00:03:27,401 --> 00:03:28,782\n所以你認為高雄的優勢比中部差嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:44,679 --> 00:04:00,545\n是﹖沒有﹖我的意思是﹖他會選擇﹖會打會自己選擇﹖但是以剛才委員您的這個指教﹖他應該會選擇選擇你想要他去的地方好這個是很有一個\n\n13\n00:04:01,585 --> 00:04:26,318\n非常已經有非常這個暗示性也明示性的的一個回答的一個答案好我們就期待回答就落在我高雄投資也建立起臺灣第二的半導體的產業產業產業園區產業這個群聚聚落好第二個你也發了很大的篇幅去講到這個半導體另外我給你一個\n\n14\n00:04:27,739 --> 00:04:32,902\n中小企業跟半導體中小企業的家數現在163萬家半導體的家數470家就業人口中小企業是910萬人半導體的就業人口是29萬人\n\n15\n00:04:45,854 --> 00:05:01,028\n您的營業額中小企業是3.6兆半導體是4.17兆所以您在這個中小企業當中他也穿起了3.6兆跟4.17兆坦白講我中小企業也穿起台灣經濟體的半邊天\n\n16\n00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:03,710\n法定人數不足\n\n17\n00:05:20,638 --> 00:05:21,959\n中小企業製造業供應鏈導入AI應用\n\n18\n00:05:35,612 --> 00:06:02,008\n百萬千萬億一億四千多萬好在過去呢你們呢這個合算的啦我就舉一個就好智慧機械產業智慧製造你們合掉的喔你們的計畫講得很清楚喔喔你的這個你只要研發的機器一定要往國外輸上限我可以補助到九千萬或者五千萬但是你們知道光是這個智慧機器升級你才補助多少真的合出去四百萬除了你預算小\n\n19\n00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:04,890\n臺電中鋼\n\n20\n00:06:26,011 --> 00:06:45,607\n中油全部都聚焦這個蔣經國時代的一個十大建設全部都落腳大部分都落在我高雄所以我的傳統產業跟金屬構建業石化業跟塑化業我不知道您針對這樣的產業是你講我講這個東西是好多的中小企業喔\n\n21\n00:06:46,468 --> 00:07:06,285\n全部我的大岡山地區包括本席的選區整個南高雄所有的中小企業都是在支援鋼鐵金屬構建石化跟塑化業所以部長你怎麼對於這樣的預算規模而且你補助的門檻這麼的高那你怎麼達成傳統產業的升級呢?你的主張是什麼?\n\n22\n00:07:12,796 --> 00:07:24,196\n我的想法是要把這些企業都帶到他的客戶旁邊如果他的客戶是在海外就會有我的這個\n\n23\n00:07:26,661 --> 00:07:26,841\n﹚林岱樺﹚林岱樺\n\n24\n00:07:44,189 --> 00:07:44,389\n李慧琼議員\n\n25\n00:08:01,145 --> 00:08:14,374\n在您現在未到下會期你會預算預算的一個審查當然明年四五月份就要開始編列預算了你願不願意在你的經濟部內中小企業的預算擴張以及包括你的審查門檻降低這件事情你願不願意做\n\n26\n00:08:19,858 --> 00:08:44,625\n是的,這個在下一次會期之前,我們會回去詳細的檢討,根據委員指教的部分來修改。好,部長最後,這個在WTO下中國扮演的全球工廠的這個角色非常的明顯,紅色供應鏈除了治安之外,其實在國家大型政策衝擊是非常大的,剛才講到的李安豐店,\n\n27\n00:08:45,265 --> 00:08:46,746\n水下結構的鋼鐵也將透過第三地利用國內無產製的規則漏洞來打擊我國的金屬產業\n\n28\n00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:23,066\n經濟部長你身為國內產業的大掌門人協助各產業立足臺灣放眼全球面對紅色供應鏈的滲透你的主張是什麼如何在國家安全的前提下帶領國家產業走進新南海後持國家競爭力部長你要注意您現在的回答\n\n29\n00:09:23,966 --> 00:09:42,212\n你可以是一個主張性的紅色供應鏈如果你是堅決的反對那我各組師以及下面的我的法人就會整個照著做了包括剛才我提的離岸封店的複合材料相關的包括你產發署的署長現在在你旁邊他相關的審查計畫的審查他整個供應鏈的審查他就會繃緊神經所以您對紅色供應鏈的主張是什麼請您明確表態\n\n30\n00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:56,929\n我是不允許紅色供應鏈的產品進到臺灣\n\n31\n00:09:59,427 --> 00:10:20,316\n那我們我想也跟我們政府現在做的所以我想我們各單位現在目前在執行的計畫也就會繼續這樣執行了好另外我在針對我們兩大國營事業在這個天然氣的國氣國運當中我也非常感謝經濟部有採納本期的建議所以在從2022年的第一次的質詢之後到現在2024年2023年的時候經濟部做了兩件事情第一個你們正式的回應\n\n32\n00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:46,709\n這個交通部航港局說好我既然國企國運那你一定要把它納入大眾物資所以非常感謝經濟部你們也回覆了這個航港局是的我們可以把這個天然劑等同米麥石油石油煤大眾物資變成可以國企國運這個國企國運\n\n33\n00:10:51,391 --> 00:11:17,629\n好那現在呢我要一個這個獨家給你這個訊息我們因為為什麼本席一直主張我天然氣一定要能夠掌握在自己的手中的運輸因為在今年的軍演5月23、24你看這張表這個我永安的表連著三天我的軍事的封鎖我三天沒有一台天然氣入港平均都會有一天入港來卸貨連三天\n\n34\n00:11:18,750 --> 00:11:23,735\n部長您身為企業的你企業的領導人你能夠允許你的場有3天斷料的危機嗎?你能夠允許你的場沒有備料嗎?你知道我們天然氣國家的備料的天數是幾天?7天欸才7天欸我現在就有3天不進來了所以為什麼我要國氣國運?\n\n35\n00:11:38,908 --> 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國內的天然氣的銷售 你也會跟我中油搶好 我這邊就把他阻斷了 我具體建議除了這30%的現貨由台電來採購 自負盈虧 限制他的行為他的30%的自由採購 採FOP的運輸方式 完全用在發電\n764878\t765078\t您怎麼表態?\n786872\t788294\t我還是希望委員能夠精準的掌握一下時間\n","txt":"有請部長來請郭部長\n好部長首先感謝你那你願意從這個角色的轉換從這個公司治理的領導人變成國家治理的在產業面當中的帶領者所以也期待你成先起後展望未來本期這個質詢的重點在人員提升跟產業升級\n在您報告中當然第一個有提到節能那第二個呢你也提到天然氣在這個能源配比上也即將有50%是由天然氣來做發電但\n臺灣沒有產天然氣所以如何降低它的成本在國企國營的部分本席從前年開始主張到現在那想演一些細節再跟您得到您的這個明確的主張也就是我具體建議中油跟台電要兩大事業體來合作這樣的國企國營最後你如何面對紅色供應鏈滲透全球我從最後這個議題先開始跟您做個討論\n林岱樺\n期待回答他在這個高雄的同時他的這個運算中心落腳在高雄那我不曉得部長你怎麼看這件事你能夠做什麼\n重點你能夠為這件事做什麼我再給你幾個背景資料為了在5月6號的時候我們行政院陳建仁部長他特別拿下視察南紫園區年外道路為了就是強化我國半導體的競爭優勢及南台灣區域的經濟韌性\n將支持也就是在2023年合訂的這樣的一個南部科學園區擴建高雄第三園區籌備中心就為了半導體南台灣的S南帶我們將投資156億當然我們相關的道路交通也在含在裡面第二個訊息給你的是我們人才也就在6月2號前幾天的時候我們高雄市政府也正式的跟清華大學以及陽明交通大學設校在高雄\n建立分校教育部補助了1.8億既有人才既有行政院支持我不知道在揮打現在就兩大區域在做這個選擇那我當然認為揮打在整個台灣的半島地來講\n林岱樺\n所以你認為高雄的優勢比中部差嗎?\n是﹖沒有﹖我的意思是﹖他會選擇﹖會打會自己選擇﹖但是以剛才委員您的這個指教﹖他應該會選擇選擇你想要他去的地方好 這個是很有一個\n非常已經有非常這個暗示性也明示性的的一個回答的一個答案好我們就期待回答就落在我高雄投資也建立起臺灣第二的半導體的產業產業產業園區產業這個群聚聚落好第二個你也發了很大的篇幅去講到這個半導體另外我給你一個\n中小企業跟半導體中小企業的家數現在163萬家半導體的家數470家就業人口中小企業是910萬人半導體的就業人口是29萬人\n您的營業額中小企業是3.6兆 半導體是4.17兆所以您在這個中小企業當中他也穿起了3.6兆跟4.17兆坦白講我中小企業也穿起台灣經濟體的半邊天\n法定人數不足\n中小企業製造業供應鏈導入AI應用\n百萬千萬億一億四千多萬好在過去呢你們呢這個合算的啦我就舉一個就好智慧機械產業智慧製造你們合掉的喔你們的計畫講得很清楚喔喔你的這個你只要研發的機器一定要往國外輸上限我可以補助到九千萬或者五千萬但是你們知道光是這個智慧機器升級你才補助多少真的合出去四百萬除了你預算小\n臺電中鋼\n中油全部都聚焦這個蔣經國時代的一個十大建設全部都落腳大部分都落在我高雄所以我的傳統產業跟金屬構建業石化業跟塑化業我不知道您針對這樣的產業是你講我講這個東西是好多的中小企業喔\n全部我的大岡山地區包括本席的選區整個南高雄所有的中小企業都是在支援鋼鐵金屬構建石化跟塑化業所以部長你怎麼對於這樣的預算規模而且你補助的門檻這麼的高那你怎麼達成傳統產業的升級呢?你的主張是什麼?\n我的想法是要把這些企業都帶到他的客戶旁邊如果他的客戶是在海外就會有我的這個\n﹚林岱樺﹚林岱樺\n李慧琼議員\n在您現在未到下會期你會預算預算的一個審查當然明年四五月份就要開始編列預算了你願不願意在你的經濟部內中小企業的預算擴張以及包括你的審查門檻降低這件事情你願不願意做\n是的,這個在下一次會期之前,我們會回去詳細的檢討,根據委員指教的部分來修改。好,部長最後,這個在WTO下中國扮演的全球工廠的這個角色非常的明顯,紅色供應鏈除了治安之外,其實在國家大型政策衝擊是非常大的,剛才講到的李安豐店,\n水下結構的鋼鐵也將透過第三地利用國內無產製的規則漏洞來打擊我國的金屬產業\n經濟部長你身為國內產業的大掌門人協助各產業立足臺灣放眼全球面對紅色供應鏈的滲透你的主張是什麼如何在國家安全的前提下帶領國家產業走進新南海後持國家競爭力部長你要注意您現在的回答\n你可以是一個主張性的紅色供應鏈如果你是堅決的反對那我各組師以及下面的我的法人就會整個照著做了包括剛才我提的離岸封店的複合材料相關的包括你產發署的署長現在在你旁邊他相關的審查計畫的審查他整個供應鏈的審查他就會繃緊神經所以您對紅色供應鏈的主張是什麼請您明確表態\n我是不允許紅色供應鏈的產品進到臺灣\n那我們我想也跟我們政府現在做的所以我想我們各單位現在目前在執行的計畫也就會繼續這樣執行了好另外我在針對我們兩大國營事業在這個天然氣的國氣國運當中我也非常感謝經濟部有採納本期的建議所以在從2022年的第一次的質詢之後到現在2024年2023年的時候經濟部做了兩件事情第一個你們正式的回應\n這個交通部航港局說好我既然國企國運那你一定要把它納入大眾物資所以非常感謝經濟部你們也回覆了這個航港局是的我們可以把這個天然劑等同米麥石油石油煤大眾物資變成可以國企國運這個國企國運\n好那現在呢我要一個這個獨家給你這個訊息我們因為為什麼本席一直主張我天然氣一定要能夠掌握在自己的手中的運輸因為在今年的軍演5月23、24你看這張表這個我永安的表連著三天我的軍事的封鎖我三天沒有一台天然氣入港平均都會有一天入港來卸貨連三天\n部長您身為企業的你企業的領導人你能夠允許你的場有3天斷料的危機嗎?你能夠允許你的場沒有備料嗎?你知道我們天然氣國家的備料的天數是幾天?7天欸才7天欸我現在就有3天不進來了所以為什麼我要國氣國運?\n好再來這個包括去年這是我現在2024年講的前年2024年的公視我左下角這個新聞好在公視有追到這個新聞中國軍援引斷氣危機好我先在這邊主張這個我第二個你們經濟部有推進的就是你台電也出來說話了好我們台電可以跟中油一樣可以來自購這個天然氣\n本席主張我希望中油現在是這個DS現貨採購的30%全部改由台電來採購但中油擔心什麼中油公會在反對什麼他在反對說哇台電6也買天然氣之後啊\n那你會跟我搶生意 國內的天然氣的銷售 你也會跟我中油搶好 我這邊就把他阻斷了 我具體建議除了這30%的現貨由台電來採購 自負盈虧 限制他的行為他的30%的自由採購 採FOP的運輸方式 完全用在發電\n您怎麼表態?\n我還是希望委員能夠精準的掌握一下時間\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.786 --> 00:04.069\n有請部長來請郭部長\n\n00:14.787 --> 00:36.641\n好部長首先感謝你那你願意從這個角色的轉換從這個公司治理的領導人變成國家治理的在產業面當中的帶領者所以也期待你成先起後展望未來本期這個質詢的重點在人員提升跟產業升級\n\n00:38.562 --> 00:48.253\n在您報告中當然第一個有提到節能那第二個呢你也提到天然氣在這個能源配比上也即將有50%是由天然氣來做發電但\n\n00:52.322 --> 01:18.559\n臺灣沒有產天然氣所以如何降低它的成本在國企國營的部分本席從前年開始主張到現在那想演一些細節再跟您得到您的這個明確的主張也就是我具體建議中油跟台電要兩大事業體來合作這樣的國企國營最後你如何面對紅色供應鏈滲透全球我從最後這個議題先開始跟您做個討論\n\n01:20.060 --> 01:20.080\n林岱樺\n\n01:42.433 --> 01:52.886\n期待回答他在這個高雄的同時他的這個運算中心落腳在高雄那我不曉得部長你怎麼看這件事你能夠做什麼\n\n01:54.332 --> 01:58.997\n重點你能夠為這件事做什麼我再給你幾個背景資料為了在5月6號的時候我們行政院陳建仁部長他特別拿下視察南紫園區年外道路為了就是強化我國半導體的競爭優勢及南台灣區域的經濟韌性\n\n02:12.930 --> 02:40.561\n將支持也就是在2023年合訂的這樣的一個南部科學園區擴建高雄第三園區籌備中心就為了半導體南台灣的S南帶我們將投資156億當然我們相關的道路交通也在含在裡面第二個訊息給你的是我們人才也就在6月2號前幾天的時候我們高雄市政府也正式的跟清華大學以及陽明交通大學設校在高雄\n\n02:41.201 --> 02:52.475\n建立分校教育部補助了1.8億既有人才既有行政院支持我不知道在揮打現在就兩大區域在做這個選擇那我當然認為揮打在整個台灣的半島地來講\n\n02:57.401 --> 02:57.421\n林岱樺\n\n03:27.401 --> 03:28.782\n所以你認為高雄的優勢比中部差嗎?\n\n03:44.679 --> 04:00.545\n是﹖沒有﹖我的意思是﹖他會選擇﹖會打會自己選擇﹖但是以剛才委員您的這個指教﹖他應該會選擇選擇你想要他去的地方好這個是很有一個\n\n04:01.585 --> 04:26.318\n非常已經有非常這個暗示性也明示性的的一個回答的一個答案好我們就期待回答就落在我高雄投資也建立起臺灣第二的半導體的產業產業產業園區產業這個群聚聚落好第二個你也發了很大的篇幅去講到這個半導體另外我給你一個\n\n04:27.739 --> 04:32.902\n中小企業跟半導體中小企業的家數現在163萬家半導體的家數470家就業人口中小企業是910萬人半導體的就業人口是29萬人\n\n04:45.854 --> 05:01.028\n您的營業額中小企業是3.6兆半導體是4.17兆所以您在這個中小企業當中他也穿起了3.6兆跟4.17兆坦白講我中小企業也穿起台灣經濟體的半邊天\n\n05:02.870 --> 05:03.710\n法定人數不足\n\n05:20.638 --> 05:21.959\n中小企業製造業供應鏈導入AI應用\n\n05:35.612 --> 06:02.008\n百萬千萬億一億四千多萬好在過去呢你們呢這個合算的啦我就舉一個就好智慧機械產業智慧製造你們合掉的喔你們的計畫講得很清楚喔喔你的這個你只要研發的機器一定要往國外輸上限我可以補助到九千萬或者五千萬但是你們知道光是這個智慧機器升級你才補助多少真的合出去四百萬除了你預算小\n\n06:04.870 --> 06:04.890\n臺電中鋼\n\n06:26.011 --> 06:45.607\n中油全部都聚焦這個蔣經國時代的一個十大建設全部都落腳大部分都落在我高雄所以我的傳統產業跟金屬構建業石化業跟塑化業我不知道您針對這樣的產業是你講我講這個東西是好多的中小企業喔\n\n06:46.468 --> 07:06.285\n全部我的大岡山地區包括本席的選區整個南高雄所有的中小企業都是在支援鋼鐵金屬構建石化跟塑化業所以部長你怎麼對於這樣的預算規模而且你補助的門檻這麼的高那你怎麼達成傳統產業的升級呢?你的主張是什麼?\n\n07:12.796 --> 07:24.196\n我的想法是要把這些企業都帶到他的客戶旁邊如果他的客戶是在海外就會有我的這個\n\n07:26.661 --> 07:26.841\n﹚林岱樺﹚林岱樺\n\n07:44.189 --> 07:44.389\n李慧琼議員\n\n08:01.145 --> 08:14.374\n在您現在未到下會期你會預算預算的一個審查當然明年四五月份就要開始編列預算了你願不願意在你的經濟部內中小企業的預算擴張以及包括你的審查門檻降低這件事情你願不願意做\n\n08:19.858 --> 08:44.625\n是的,這個在下一次會期之前,我們會回去詳細的檢討,根據委員指教的部分來修改。好,部長最後,這個在WTO下中國扮演的全球工廠的這個角色非常的明顯,紅色供應鏈除了治安之外,其實在國家大型政策衝擊是非常大的,剛才講到的李安豐店,\n\n08:45.265 --> 08:46.746\n水下結構的鋼鐵也將透過第三地利用國內無產製的規則漏洞來打擊我國的金屬產業\n\n09:04.433 --> 09:23.066\n經濟部長你身為國內產業的大掌門人協助各產業立足臺灣放眼全球面對紅色供應鏈的滲透你的主張是什麼如何在國家安全的前提下帶領國家產業走進新南海後持國家競爭力部長你要注意您現在的回答\n\n09:23.966 --> 09:42.212\n你可以是一個主張性的紅色供應鏈如果你是堅決的反對那我各組師以及下面的我的法人就會整個照著做了包括剛才我提的離岸封店的複合材料相關的包括你產發署的署長現在在你旁邊他相關的審查計畫的審查他整個供應鏈的審查他就會繃緊神經所以您對紅色供應鏈的主張是什麼請您明確表態\n\n09:54.540 --> 09:56.929\n我是不允許紅色供應鏈的產品進到臺灣\n\n09:59.427 --> 10:20.316\n那我們我想也跟我們政府現在做的所以我想我們各單位現在目前在執行的計畫也就會繼續這樣執行了好另外我在針對我們兩大國營事業在這個天然氣的國氣國運當中我也非常感謝經濟部有採納本期的建議所以在從2022年的第一次的質詢之後到現在2024年2023年的時候經濟部做了兩件事情第一個你們正式的回應\n\n10:29.039 --> 10:46.709\n這個交通部航港局說好我既然國企國運那你一定要把它納入大眾物資所以非常感謝經濟部你們也回覆了這個航港局是的我們可以把這個天然劑等同米麥石油石油煤大眾物資變成可以國企國運這個國企國運\n\n10:51.391 --> 11:17.629\n好那現在呢我要一個這個獨家給你這個訊息我們因為為什麼本席一直主張我天然氣一定要能夠掌握在自己的手中的運輸因為在今年的軍演5月23、24你看這張表這個我永安的表連著三天我的軍事的封鎖我三天沒有一台天然氣入港平均都會有一天入港來卸貨連三天\n\n11:18.750 --> 11:23.735\n部長您身為企業的你企業的領導人你能夠允許你的場有3天斷料的危機嗎?你能夠允許你的場沒有備料嗎?你知道我們天然氣國家的備料的天數是幾天?7天欸才7天欸我現在就有3天不進來了所以為什麼我要國氣國運?\n\n11:38.908 --> 12:03.194\n好再來這個包括去年這是我現在2024年講的前年2024年的公視我左下角這個新聞好在公視有追到這個新聞中國軍援引斷氣危機好我先在這邊主張這個我第二個你們經濟部有推進的就是你台電也出來說話了好我們台電可以跟中油一樣可以來自購這個天然氣\n\n12:05.815 --> 12:10.439\n本席主張我希望中油現在是這個DS現貨採購的30%全部改由台電來採購但中油擔心什麼中油公會在反對什麼他在反對說哇台電6也買天然氣之後啊\n\n12:24.031 --> 12:33.257\n那你會跟我搶生意國內的天然氣的銷售你也會跟我中油搶好我這邊就把他阻斷了我具體建議除了這30%的現貨由台電來採購自負盈虧限制他的行為他的30%的自由採購採FOP的運輸方式完全用在發電\n\n12:44.878 --> 12:45.078\n您怎麼表態?\n\n13:06.872 --> 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