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--> 00:02:20,758\n現在我們已經是第二了我們是說因為這個中國追得很厲害我想我們要更努力所以說這個部分已經是全球第二了對不對我們要如何去維持這個部分\n\n8\n00:02:21,218 --> 00:02:41,191\n在加上這麼多AI的國際大廠他們可能會繼續在台灣投資包括NVIDIA、AMD甚至於INTEL他們可能都會在台灣這邊那我在想說你提到說整個AI的人才在未來在2028年之前的時候可能要產官學員要增加20萬人\n\n9\n00:02:43,447 --> 00:02:44,147\n我們建議公私協會大家一起來\n\n10\n00:03:02,259 --> 00:03:27,356\n那除了學校機構以外呢最重要就是透過這個公協會這個以及外面的這個團體那麼全力大家來開課人培培養這方面的這個工程師那如果20萬代表就是如果以我們國內來講我想這個每一個每一個都這個六都啊\n\n11\n00:03:27,756 --> 00:03:29,758\n坦白說我們目前看到有一些國發會的數字還有一些\n\n12\n00:03:51,461 --> 00:04:18,461\n產業界的一些規劃的時候對於這樣的一個目標覺得達成可能性其實有一點擔心所以他們認為是不是有可能擴大從國外去引進人才這個部分是不是也是經濟部考量的點跟委員報告國外引進人才這個是我們有要求國外來投資的這個業者他要有一半的這個工程師是來自於國外然後能夠跟我們國內工程師形成高階的這個研究人員\n\n13\n00:04:19,902 --> 00:04:42,749\n您剛才指導的,譬如說像NVIDIA,它加我們的這個A-plus計畫,它允諾要有1000位工程師,那我就要求它要有500位是來自於海外的,就國內制。部長,這部分,人才的部分肯定是我們在發展AI產業過程當中,半導體產業當中都最關鍵的一個資源,那除了人之外就是電。\n\n14\n00:04:43,769 --> 00:05:07,211\n那電我發現你的回答其實坦白說比其他的格言來得更務實具體因為我發現你之前曾經提到過就是說以目前來說2030年之前供電是夠的可是你也提到2025到2028年AI如果爆發的時候呢可能用電的情況就要再重新評估然後你也提到說必要的時候你覺得核酸也可以用來做backup\n\n15\n00:05:07,791 --> 00:05:09,493\n你之前也特別提到說就是世界一定要做\n\n16\n00:05:27,168 --> 00:05:52,723\n世界一定要做可是我發現現在整個經濟部跟能源政策當中提到用電的部分的時候全部都是用天然氣發電除了部分的一個綠能一個部分其他幾乎都是天然氣發電然後天然氣發電當中我就發現在整個您的報告當中提到個推動能源轉型的時候提到個低碳天然氣我很疑惑天然氣為什麼什麼時候變低碳了\n\n17\n00:05:54,087 --> 00:06:19,960\n天然氣跟這個我們現在的這個煤發電呢它是比較的嘛對不對它是比較低碳的可是事實上我覺得因為事實上天然氣事實上在整個文字效應當中事實上是一個非常不友善的一種能源的一個模式所以我們希望就是整個就是台灣在供電這個過程當中像你剛剛提到說世界的部分一定要做因為沒有做可能對台灣的供電會有影響可是世界的目前的進度到哪裡\n\n18\n00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:25,280\n臺電是不是能夠因應得了?我覺得我們需要有答案\n\n19\n00:06:51,209 --> 00:07:08,090\n是的這是很多支持你的科學園區的朋友其實也擔心的問題確實是如此包括很多科學園區的朋友他們都覺得說如果能夠的時候他們可以用SMR的部分來發行小型核電是不是有可行他們擔心台灣的供電是不足的\n\n20\n00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:23,415\n部長你可不可以在這部分做一個簡單的回應謝謝委員指教SMR的部分呢這個我們會持續的去關注那麼如果他的沒有這個核廢料或者是核廢料可以安全的這個處理呢我們會把它列入考慮\n\n21\n00:07:29,661 --> 00:07:38,692\n提到一個相對開放的方式說如果說真的有可能你覺得河山可以backup我覺得這是我聽到對於整個所有\n\n22\n00:07:39,853 --> 00:07:40,974\n我們現在首要的就是讓所有用電戶都能夠滿足然後能夠使用\n\n23\n00:08:01,874 --> 00:08:28,965\n那這個我過去所說的這個河山的部分就是說因為這個AI的這個投資會比較沒有辦法掌握到所以我們是做一個這個推論啦所以部長所以這個部分就是您期待的AI的產業跟著用電的部分我們可以再做一個進一步的需求怎麼樣子能夠讓它能夠平衡滿足那最後我要提一個點就是說您可能也是所有的閣員當中最了解大陸的\n\n24\n00:08:29,685 --> 00:08:29,885\n李卓人議員\n\n25\n00:08:49,085 --> 00:09:10,647\n菲律賓等等都點到了那我想要問一下就是你認為上海、深圳、北京會不會在你規劃的這個擴大內需市場的範圍當中我內需的市場裡面大概分為這個日常民生日常民生的這一部分如果在科技的部分呢不在這個內需的部分\n\n26\n00:09:11,772 --> 00:09:38,773\n所以我們歡迎他來台灣來旅遊歡迎他們來台灣享受台灣的美食享受台灣的養生台灣的復健等等這些設施部長因為你既然希望他們能夠來享受台灣的美食來享受台灣相關的好的部分的時候我覺得你可能也要跟交通部在整個行政院的會議當中的時候提早\n\n27\n00:09:39,954 --> 00:10:04,302\n開放就是讓大陸的旅遊團能夠到台灣來然後讓台灣的旅遊團能夠過去交流我覺得是必須才是擴大市場的一個部分然後另外最後我再補一個狀態就是您剛剛有在回答我們張偉的時候你提到說我們在境內關外跟境外關內的部分的時候對於整個境外關內的部分你有提到說你之前有點到說要到日本去\n\n28\n00:10:05,982 --> 00:10:32,656\n美國德州的提到部分你提到說這跟整個臺積電的全球布局有關所以等於是整個經濟部這邊是被臺積電拉著跑的對不對那我這邊要特別提到一點說坦白說在這個部分當中你也提到說要把中小企業帶出去嘛對不對那麼希望能夠就地服務不過這個地方我覺得可能對於我們的一個產業外移如何跟入台灣這邊也要同時去平衡好不好好的\n\n29\n00:10:34,097 --> 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up我覺得這是我聽到對於整個所有\n459853\t460974\t我們現在首要的就是讓所有用電戶都能夠滿足然後能夠使用\n481874\t508965\t那這個我過去所說的這個河山的部分就是說因為這個AI的這個投資會比較沒有辦法掌握到所以我們是做一個這個推論啦所以部長所以這個部分就是您期待的AI的產業跟著用電的部分我們可以再做一個進一步的需求怎麼樣子能夠讓它能夠平衡滿足那最後我要提一個點就是說您可能也是所有的閣員當中最了解大陸的\n509685\t509885\t李卓人議員\n529085\t550647\t菲律賓等等都點到了那我想要問一下就是你認為上海、深圳、北京會不會在你規劃的這個擴大內需市場的範圍當中我內需的市場裡面大概分為這個日常民生日常民生的這一部分如果在科技的部分呢不在這個內需的部分\n551772\t578773\t所以我們歡迎他來台灣來旅遊歡迎他們來台灣享受台灣的美食享受台灣的養生台灣的復健等等這些設施部長因為你既然希望他們能夠來享受台灣的美食來享受台灣相關的好的部分的時候我覺得你可能也要跟交通部在整個行政院的會議當中的時候提早\n579954\t604302\t開放就是讓大陸的旅遊團能夠到台灣來然後讓台灣的旅遊團能夠過去交流我覺得是必須才是擴大市場的一個部分然後另外最後我再補一個狀態就是您剛剛有在回答我們張偉的時候你提到說我們在境內關外跟境外關內的部分的時候對於整個境外關內的部分你有提到說你之前有點到說要到日本去\n605982\t632656\t美國德州的提到部分你提到說這跟整個臺積電的全球布局有關所以等於是整個經濟部這邊是被臺積電拉著跑的對不對那我這邊要特別提到一點說坦白說在這個部分當中你也提到說要把中小企業帶出去嘛對不對那麼希望能夠就地服務不過這個地方我覺得可能對於我們的一個產業外移如何跟入台灣這邊也要同時去平衡好不好好的\n634097\t654249\t這部分我覺得是我們在要把餅做大的時候我們要如何跟流台灣是同時一體兩面要同時去兼顧的一個部分好不好謝謝委員半導體的部分是以台積電為主ICT的部分是會有其他的五大公司為主的好謝謝部長謝謝委員好謝謝鄭正鈐委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我想請一下郭部長來,請郭部長\n部長好第一次在立法院跟您詢答事實上說您一開始被點名變成經濟部長的時候我就接到很多關心你的電話因為在產業界人脈非常非常的多尤其在新竹科學園區很多人都抱持著正面的狀態看你來接這個位置因為大家覺得你從產業界出來可能會更務實去面對一些問題\n那我在想說最近大家都在關心NVIDIA的部分嘛你剛剛是不是有暗示說他可能會落腳高雄是這樣子嗎?\n我是沒有直接聽到他說落腳高雄但是我大概感覺是這個樣子因為現在很多地方也都在爭取包括我們新竹縣因為楊文科縣長也表示NVIDIA其實有跟新竹縣這邊來做聯繫包括雙北、台南其實大家都在爭取所以我在想說這表示其實整個台灣其實在整個\nAI這個世代來臨的時候確實扮演一個重要的角色那您在這邊也特別提到了幾個事情比方說你提到說AI這個部分還有伺服器的部分台灣可以再持50年那這個部分畫出這個餅其實大家都非常的開心那我這邊其實也要特別提到因為NVTR如果說要在台灣社他們的台灣總部然後包括算力中心包括他們的一個研發中心等等\n部長你也特別提到說你希望台灣在未來五年的時候台灣的IC設計產業能夠變全球第二這個目標應該是很清楚嗎\n現在我們已經是第二了我們是說因為這個中國追得很厲害我想我們要更努力所以說這個部分已經是全球第二了對不對我們要如何去維持這個部分\n在加上這麼多AI的國際大廠他們可能會繼續在台灣投資包括NVIDIA、AMD甚至於INTEL他們可能都會在台灣這邊那我在想說你提到說整個AI的人才在未來在2028年之前的時候可能要產官學員要增加20萬人\n我們建議公私協會大家一起來\n那除了學校機構以外呢最重要就是透過這個公協會這個以及外面的這個團體那麼全力大家來開課人培培養這方面的這個工程師那如果20萬代表就是如果以我們國內來講我想這個每一個每一個都這個六都啊\n坦白說我們目前看到有一些國發會的數字還有一些\n產業界的一些規劃的時候對於這樣的一個目標覺得達成可能性其實有一點擔心所以他們認為是不是有可能擴大從國外去引進人才這個部分是不是也是經濟部考量的點跟委員報告國外引進人才這個是我們有要求國外來投資的這個業者他要有一半的這個工程師是來自於國外然後能夠跟我們國內工程師形成高階的這個研究人員\n您剛才指導的,譬如說像NVIDIA,它加我們的這個A-plus計畫,它允諾要有1000位工程師,那我就要求它要有500位是來自於海外的,就國內制。部長,這部分,人才的部分肯定是我們在發展AI產業過程當中,半導體產業當中都最關鍵的一個資源,那除了人之外就是電。\n那電我發現你的回答其實坦白說比其他的格言來得更務實具體因為我發現你之前曾經提到過就是說以目前來說2030年之前供電是夠的可是你也提到2025到2028年AI如果爆發的時候呢可能用電的情況就要再重新評估然後你也提到說必要的時候你覺得核酸也可以用來做backup\n你之前也特別提到說就是世界一定要做\n世界一定要做可是我發現現在整個經濟部跟能源政策當中提到用電的部分的時候全部都是用天然氣發電除了部分的一個綠能一個部分其他幾乎都是天然氣發電然後天然氣發電當中我就發現在整個您的報告當中提到個推動能源轉型的時候提到個低碳天然氣我很疑惑天然氣為什麼什麼時候變低碳了\n天然氣跟這個我們現在的這個煤發電呢它是比較的嘛對不對它是比較低碳的可是事實上我覺得因為事實上天然氣事實上在整個文字效應當中事實上是一個非常不友善的一種能源的一個模式所以我們希望就是整個就是台灣在供電這個過程當中像你剛剛提到說世界的部分一定要做因為沒有做可能對台灣的供電會有影響可是世界的目前的進度到哪裡\n臺電是不是能夠因應得了?我覺得我們需要有答案\n是的這是很多支持你的科學園區的朋友其實也擔心的問題確實是如此包括很多科學園區的朋友他們都覺得說如果能夠的時候他們可以用SMR的部分來發行小型核電是不是有可行他們擔心台灣的供電是不足的\n部長你可不可以在這部分做一個簡單的回應謝謝委員指教SMR的部分呢這個我們會持續的去關注那麼如果他的沒有這個核廢料或者是核廢料可以安全的這個處理呢我們會把它列入考慮\n提到一個相對開放的方式說如果說真的有可能你覺得河山可以back up我覺得這是我聽到對於整個所有\n我們現在首要的就是讓所有用電戶都能夠滿足然後能夠使用\n那這個我過去所說的這個河山的部分就是說因為這個AI的這個投資會比較沒有辦法掌握到所以我們是做一個這個推論啦所以部長所以這個部分就是您期待的AI的產業跟著用電的部分我們可以再做一個進一步的需求怎麼樣子能夠讓它能夠平衡滿足那最後我要提一個點就是說您可能也是所有的閣員當中最了解大陸的\n李卓人議員\n菲律賓等等都點到了那我想要問一下就是你認為上海、深圳、北京會不會在你規劃的這個擴大內需市場的範圍當中我內需的市場裡面大概分為這個日常民生日常民生的這一部分如果在科技的部分呢不在這個內需的部分\n所以我們歡迎他來台灣來旅遊歡迎他們來台灣享受台灣的美食享受台灣的養生台灣的復健等等這些設施部長因為你既然希望他們能夠來享受台灣的美食來享受台灣相關的好的部分的時候我覺得你可能也要跟交通部在整個行政院的會議當中的時候提早\n開放就是讓大陸的旅遊團能夠到台灣來然後讓台灣的旅遊團能夠過去交流我覺得是必須才是擴大市場的一個部分然後另外最後我再補一個狀態就是您剛剛有在回答我們張偉的時候你提到說我們在境內關外跟境外關內的部分的時候對於整個境外關內的部分你有提到說你之前有點到說要到日本去\n美國德州的提到部分你提到說這跟整個臺積電的全球布局有關所以等於是整個經濟部這邊是被臺積電拉著跑的對不對那我這邊要特別提到一點說坦白說在這個部分當中你也提到說要把中小企業帶出去嘛對不對那麼希望能夠就地服務不過這個地方我覺得可能對於我們的一個產業外移如何跟入台灣這邊也要同時去平衡好不好好的\n這部分我覺得是我們在要把餅做大的時候我們要如何跟流台灣是同時一體兩面要同時去兼顧的一個部分好不好謝謝委員半導體的部分是以台積電為主ICT的部分是會有其他的五大公司為主的好謝謝部長謝謝委員好謝謝鄭正鈐委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.526 --> 00:07.470\n謝謝主席,我想請一下郭部長來,請郭部長\n\n00:18.154 --> 00:43.633\n部長好第一次在立法院跟您詢答事實上說您一開始被點名變成經濟部長的時候我就接到很多關心你的電話因為在產業界人脈非常非常的多尤其在新竹科學園區很多人都抱持著正面的狀態看你來接這個位置因為大家覺得你從產業界出來可能會更務實去面對一些問題\n\n00:45.174 --> 00:53.091\n那我在想說最近大家都在關心NVIDIA的部分嘛你剛剛是不是有暗示說他可能會落腳高雄是這樣子嗎?\n\n00:54.673 --> 01:18.796\n我是沒有直接聽到他說落腳高雄但是我大概感覺是這個樣子因為現在很多地方也都在爭取包括我們新竹縣因為楊文科縣長也表示NVIDIA其實有跟新竹縣這邊來做聯繫包括雙北、台南其實大家都在爭取所以我在想說這表示其實整個台灣其實在整個\n\n01:19.537 --> 01:48.397\nAI這個世代來臨的時候確實扮演一個重要的角色那您在這邊也特別提到了幾個事情比方說你提到說AI這個部分還有伺服器的部分台灣可以再持50年那這個部分畫出這個餅其實大家都非常的開心那我這邊其實也要特別提到因為NVTR如果說要在台灣社他們的台灣總部然後包括算力中心包括他們的一個研發中心等等\n\n01:49.838 --> 02:05.038\n部長你也特別提到說你希望台灣在未來五年的時候台灣的IC設計產業能夠變全球第二這個目標應該是很清楚嗎\n\n02:06.079 --> 02:20.758\n現在我們已經是第二了我們是說因為這個中國追得很厲害我想我們要更努力所以說這個部分已經是全球第二了對不對我們要如何去維持這個部分\n\n02:21.218 --> 02:41.191\n在加上這麼多AI的國際大廠他們可能會繼續在台灣投資包括NVIDIA、AMD甚至於INTEL他們可能都會在台灣這邊那我在想說你提到說整個AI的人才在未來在2028年之前的時候可能要產官學員要增加20萬人\n\n02:43.447 --> 02:44.147\n我們建議公私協會大家一起來\n\n03:02.259 --> 03:27.356\n那除了學校機構以外呢最重要就是透過這個公協會這個以及外面的這個團體那麼全力大家來開課人培培養這方面的這個工程師那如果20萬代表就是如果以我們國內來講我想這個每一個每一個都這個六都啊\n\n03:27.756 --> 03:29.758\n坦白說我們目前看到有一些國發會的數字還有一些\n\n03:51.461 --> 04:18.461\n產業界的一些規劃的時候對於這樣的一個目標覺得達成可能性其實有一點擔心所以他們認為是不是有可能擴大從國外去引進人才這個部分是不是也是經濟部考量的點跟委員報告國外引進人才這個是我們有要求國外來投資的這個業者他要有一半的這個工程師是來自於國外然後能夠跟我們國內工程師形成高階的這個研究人員\n\n04:19.902 --> 04:42.749\n您剛才指導的,譬如說像NVIDIA,它加我們的這個A-plus計畫,它允諾要有1000位工程師,那我就要求它要有500位是來自於海外的,就國內制。部長,這部分,人才的部分肯定是我們在發展AI產業過程當中,半導體產業當中都最關鍵的一個資源,那除了人之外就是電。\n\n04:43.769 --> 05:07.211\n那電我發現你的回答其實坦白說比其他的格言來得更務實具體因為我發現你之前曾經提到過就是說以目前來說2030年之前供電是夠的可是你也提到2025到2028年AI如果爆發的時候呢可能用電的情況就要再重新評估然後你也提到說必要的時候你覺得核酸也可以用來做backup\n\n05:07.791 --> 05:09.493\n你之前也特別提到說就是世界一定要做\n\n05:27.168 --> 05:52.723\n世界一定要做可是我發現現在整個經濟部跟能源政策當中提到用電的部分的時候全部都是用天然氣發電除了部分的一個綠能一個部分其他幾乎都是天然氣發電然後天然氣發電當中我就發現在整個您的報告當中提到個推動能源轉型的時候提到個低碳天然氣我很疑惑天然氣為什麼什麼時候變低碳了\n\n05:54.087 --> 06:19.960\n天然氣跟這個我們現在的這個煤發電呢它是比較的嘛對不對它是比較低碳的可是事實上我覺得因為事實上天然氣事實上在整個文字效應當中事實上是一個非常不友善的一種能源的一個模式所以我們希望就是整個就是台灣在供電這個過程當中像你剛剛提到說世界的部分一定要做因為沒有做可能對台灣的供電會有影響可是世界的目前的進度到哪裡\n\n06:23.820 --> 06:25.280\n臺電是不是能夠因應得了?我覺得我們需要有答案\n\n06:51.209 --> 07:08.090\n是的這是很多支持你的科學園區的朋友其實也擔心的問題確實是如此包括很多科學園區的朋友他們都覺得說如果能夠的時候他們可以用SMR的部分來發行小型核電是不是有可行他們擔心台灣的供電是不足的\n\n07:08.430 --> 07:23.415\n部長你可不可以在這部分做一個簡單的回應謝謝委員指教SMR的部分呢這個我們會持續的去關注那麼如果他的沒有這個核廢料或者是核廢料可以安全的這個處理呢我們會把它列入考慮\n\n07:29.661 --> 07:38.692\n提到一個相對開放的方式說如果說真的有可能你覺得河山可以backup我覺得這是我聽到對於整個所有\n\n07:39.853 --> 07:40.974\n我們現在首要的就是讓所有用電戶都能夠滿足然後能夠使用\n\n08:01.874 --> 08:28.965\n那這個我過去所說的這個河山的部分就是說因為這個AI的這個投資會比較沒有辦法掌握到所以我們是做一個這個推論啦所以部長所以這個部分就是您期待的AI的產業跟著用電的部分我們可以再做一個進一步的需求怎麼樣子能夠讓它能夠平衡滿足那最後我要提一個點就是說您可能也是所有的閣員當中最了解大陸的\n\n08:29.685 --> 08:29.885\n李卓人議員\n\n08:49.085 --> 09:10.647\n菲律賓等等都點到了那我想要問一下就是你認為上海、深圳、北京會不會在你規劃的這個擴大內需市場的範圍當中我內需的市場裡面大概分為這個日常民生日常民生的這一部分如果在科技的部分呢不在這個內需的部分\n\n09:11.772 --> 09:38.773\n所以我們歡迎他來台灣來旅遊歡迎他們來台灣享受台灣的美食享受台灣的養生台灣的復健等等這些設施部長因為你既然希望他們能夠來享受台灣的美食來享受台灣相關的好的部分的時候我覺得你可能也要跟交通部在整個行政院的會議當中的時候提早\n\n09:39.954 --> 10:04.302\n開放就是讓大陸的旅遊團能夠到台灣來然後讓台灣的旅遊團能夠過去交流我覺得是必須才是擴大市場的一個部分然後另外最後我再補一個狀態就是您剛剛有在回答我們張偉的時候你提到說我們在境內關外跟境外關內的部分的時候對於整個境外關內的部分你有提到說你之前有點到說要到日本去\n\n10:05.982 --> 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