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00:00:44,061\n我們今天要審查的是這個科技偵查及這個保障法的相關草案那主要是因應我們這個科技的日新月異那犯罪的型態也越來越多元同時也是打詐事法當中最重要的一個調查武器那誠如草案說明所寫這部這個法律是為了要確保我們偵查機關運用科技方式來進行偵查的一個合法性\n\n3\n00:00:44,841 --> 00:01:10,303\n那同時也保障人民的一個基本權更重要的是要讓調查犯罪的工具不再落後那最近風靡全台的這個黃仁勳執行長他也曾說台灣是AI的一個起點但2024年的台灣似乎同時擁有最先進的科技和最原始的一個調查手段所以不論是定定這個科真法還是有委員提出希望能夠修形式訴訟法\n\n4\n00:01:11,044 --> 00:01:24,242\n那儘快讓科技偵查的這種手段有法律的基礎相信是我們各黨的一個高度共識那我在此我想請教就是說這個對於這個立專法還是立專章的部分\n\n5\n00:01:25,482 --> 00:01:32,207\n法務部及司法院之間有沒有對此有一個溝通過的機制?有沒有?\n\n6\n00:01:55,182 --> 00:01:56,384\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案。\n\n7\n00:02:00,731 --> 00:02:25,719\n錢防制法第五條之一條文修正草案案案,此外就是支持定專法,因為這個定專法我剛跟委員報告這個也也都譬如說國民法官法還有我們通訊保障建構就是也做專法的的的方式來做一個呈現好那因為我我相信我們立場也很明確啊那剛剛那個李廳長也有答詢就是說針對這個部分他尊重我們法務部的立場然後那我也希望說對於這個部分我們應該是有個比較詳細的一個溝通讓整個這個\n\n8\n00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:47,522\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案規定規定的過程裡面更加的透明這個部分再請我們法務部這邊就在後續再做協助那我們今天對於這個科技偵查在事務上的使用我來請教我們法務部在這個草案的第二條當中有寫到我們偵查中檢察官任有必要時\n\n9\n00:02:48,647 --> 00:03:02,119\n認有必要時那得使用全球衛星定位系統的GPS或是其他非以這個辨識個人這個生物特徵的科技方式來追蹤位置,那部長\n\n10\n00:03:03,768 --> 00:03:19,377\n對剛剛所說的這個任有必要時會不會有不夠明確的問題那換言之黨若有其他更輕微的方法能夠取證就不能發動科技偵查嗎謝謝委員那個必要的時候是個案來做一個一個認定一個認定\n\n11\n00:03:20,538 --> 00:03:22,559\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n12\n00:03:40,464 --> 00:04:05,283\n在24小時沒有連續24小時或者沒有連續打打兩天這部分我們是可以允許辦案單位可以可以這樣做但是超過的話在這邊要是要請法官的一個許可好好這科技日新月異然後那除了應用在這個地面上的調查還有從空中的這種科技方式例如我們這個空拍機由上而下的這種進行拍攝錄影或是這個測量手段\n\n13\n00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:11,360\n那我還是請教部長就是說空拍機有涵蓋在整次我們本次的我們這個科真法可使用的範圍當中嗎\n\n14\n00:04:16,691 --> 00:04:18,033\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案。\n\n15\n00:04:40,035 --> 00:05:00,852\n其實他這種空拍機對隱私的一個干預是遠比我們剛才所講的用GPS這個草案的更低那是非常低那基本上經營公共生活這部分的的隱私的期待是是相當相當的少的對這就重點就剛剛那個我想請教部長就是因為空拍機的部分他可能涉及到這個\n\n16\n00:05:02,421 --> 00:05:03,761\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案。」\n\n17\n00:05:20,967 --> 00:05:22,748\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案\n\n18\n00:05:39,457 --> 00:05:56,654\n那個必須盡快有法律的依據啦是那所以我們剛剛講的這些工具我相信我們法務部應該都已經有在思考要怎麼去讓他們這個合法化了是那我也請我們法務部就是後續的這個這個相關的這個修法或是相關的這個制定的過程應該要\n\n19\n00:05:57,535 --> 00:06:19,923\n加緊腳步讓我們所有的這個同仁在使用這些科技工具上能夠有一個依法性。那另外就是草案第三條有提及就是調查過程中因為技術無可避免取得第三人的個資。那僅得供這個調查目的之比對且於調查實施結束後應該要刪除。\n\n20\n00:06:20,563 --> 00:06:30,362\n那我想請教就是當遇上我們上述剛剛講的提及的狀況對於資料有無銷毀應該要如何來確認那需不需要有獨立審查的人員來確保\n\n21\n00:06:36,186 --> 00:06:37,487\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案\n\n22\n00:06:53,137 --> 00:06:55,079\n洗錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案案\n\n23\n00:07:09,366 --> 00:07:37,282\n各位報告關於這個M4車無可避免的會取到因為技術上它無可避免的會涉及到第三人那除了比對目的之外我們要求它收完證就應急刪除但這條事後如果去控管這法規上因為屬於技術上的問題我們沒有在法規上寫但是我們未來會要求所有的司法警察執行機關要定在內機內控上面就這個銷毀做一些特別的規定那我們檢察官據偽偵查組織的角色我們也會去監督這個司法檢察機關的內機內控\n\n24\n00:07:39,083 --> 00:07:41,064\n獨立審查的人員就是檢察官喔?」\n\n25\n00:07:55,089 --> 00:08:17,855\n那我想我們從草案的內容來看對於這個調查隱私空間的發動門檻還有調查的方式也都有這個更加嚴格的規範那包括使用這個高倍數的攝影攝影機或是這個熱顯熱顯像設備也都是打擊重要這個重案的非常重要的一個手段跟工具當然也希望我們透過科技偵查的這個應用\n\n26\n00:08:18,915 --> 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規定規定的過程裡面更加的透明這個部分再請我們法務部這邊就在後續再做協助那我們今天對於這個科技偵查在事務上的使用我來請教我們法務部在這個草案的第二條當中有寫到我們偵查中檢察官任有必要時\n168647\t182119\t認有必要時那得使用全球衛星定位系統的GPS或是其他非以這個辨識個人這個生物特徵的科技方式來追蹤位置,那部長\n183768\t199377\t對剛剛所說的這個任有必要時會不會有不夠明確的問題那換言之黨若有其他更輕微的方法能夠取證就不能發動科技偵查嗎謝謝委員那個必要的時候是個案來做一個一個認定一個認定\n200538\t202559\t錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n220464\t245283\t在24小時沒有連續24小時或者沒有連續打打兩天這部分我們是可以允許辦案單位可以可以這樣做但是超過的話在這邊要是要請法官的一個許可好好這科技日新月異然後那除了應用在這個地面上的調查還有從空中的這種科技方式例如我們這個空拍機由上而下的這種進行拍攝錄影或是這個測量手段\n245703\t251360\t那我還是請教部長就是說空拍機有涵蓋在整次我們本次的我們這個科真法可使用的範圍當中嗎\n256691\t258033\t錢防制法及保障法草案案 案 。\n280035\t300852\t其實他這種空拍機對隱私的一個干預是遠比我們剛才所講的用GPS這個草案的更低那是非常低那基本上經營公共生活這部分的的隱私的期待是是相當相當的少的對這就重點就剛剛那個我想請教部長就是因為空拍機的部分他可能涉及到這個\n302421\t303761\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案。」\n320967\t322748\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案\n339457\t356654\t那個必須盡快有法律的依據啦是那所以我們剛剛講的這些工具我相信我們法務部應該都已經有在思考要怎麼去讓他們這個合法化了是那我也請我們法務部就是後續的這個這個相關的這個修法或是相關的這個制定的過程應該要\n357535\t379923\t加緊腳步 讓我們所有的這個同仁在使用這些科技工具上能夠有一個依法性。那另外就是草案第三條有提及就是調查過程中因為技術無可避免取得第三人的個資。那僅得供這個調查目的之比對且於調查實施結束後應該要刪除。\n380563\t390362\t那我想請教就是當遇上我們上述剛剛講的提及的狀況對於資料有無銷毀應該要如何來確認那需不需要有獨立審查的人員來確保\n396186\t397487\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案\n413137\t415079\t洗錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案\n429366\t457282\t各位報告關於這個M4車無可避免的會取到因為技術上它無可避免的會涉及到第三人那除了比對目的之外我們要求它收完證就應急刪除但這條事後如果去控管這法規上因為屬於技術上的問題我們沒有在法規上寫但是我們未來會要求所有的司法警察執行機關要定在內機內控上面就這個銷毀做一些特別的規定那我們檢察官據偽偵查組織的角色我們也會去監督這個司法檢察機關的內機內控\n459083\t461064\t獨立審查的人員就是檢察官喔?」\n475089\t497855\t那我想我們從草案的內容來看對於這個調查隱私空間的發動門檻還有調查的方式也都有這個更加嚴格的規範那包括使用這個高倍數的攝影攝影機或是這個熱顯熱顯像設備也都是打擊重要這個重案的非常重要的一個手段跟工具當然也希望我們透過科技偵查的這個應用\n498915\t501776\t錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案 。\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們有請政部長請政部長部長早委員早\n我們今天要審查的是這個科技偵查及這個保障法的相關草案那主要是因應我們這個科技的日新月異那犯罪的型態也越來越多元同時也是打詐事法當中最重要的一個調查武器那誠如草案說明所寫這部這個法律是為了要確保我們偵查機關運用科技方式來進行偵查的一個合法性\n那同時也保障人民的一個基本權更重要的是要讓調查犯罪的工具不再落後那最近風靡全台的這個黃仁勳執行長他也曾說台灣是AI的一個起點但2024年的台灣似乎同時擁有最先進的科技和最原始的一個調查手段所以不論是定定這個科真法還是有委員提出希望能夠修形式訴訟法\n那儘快讓科技偵查的這種手段有法律的基礎相信是我們各黨的一個高度共識那我在此我想請教就是說這個對於這個立專法還是立專章的部分\n法務部及司法院之間有沒有對此有一個溝通過的機制?有沒有?\n錢防制法及保障法草案案 案。\n錢防制法第五條之一條文修正草案案 案,此外就是支持定專法,因為這個定專法我剛跟委員報告這個也也都譬如說國民法官法還有我們通訊保障建構就是也做專法的的的方式來做一個呈現好那因為我我相信我們立場也很明確啊那剛剛那個李廳長也有答詢就是說針對這個部分他尊重我們法務部的立場然後那我也希望說對於這個部分我們應該是有個比較詳細的一個溝通讓整個這個\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案 規定規定的過程裡面更加的透明這個部分再請我們法務部這邊就在後續再做協助那我們今天對於這個科技偵查在事務上的使用我來請教我們法務部在這個草案的第二條當中有寫到我們偵查中檢察官任有必要時\n認有必要時那得使用全球衛星定位系統的GPS或是其他非以這個辨識個人這個生物特徵的科技方式來追蹤位置,那部長\n對剛剛所說的這個任有必要時會不會有不夠明確的問題那換言之黨若有其他更輕微的方法能夠取證就不能發動科技偵查嗎謝謝委員那個必要的時候是個案來做一個一個認定一個認定\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n在24小時沒有連續24小時或者沒有連續打打兩天這部分我們是可以允許辦案單位可以可以這樣做但是超過的話在這邊要是要請法官的一個許可好好這科技日新月異然後那除了應用在這個地面上的調查還有從空中的這種科技方式例如我們這個空拍機由上而下的這種進行拍攝錄影或是這個測量手段\n那我還是請教部長就是說空拍機有涵蓋在整次我們本次的我們這個科真法可使用的範圍當中嗎\n錢防制法及保障法草案案 案 。\n其實他這種空拍機對隱私的一個干預是遠比我們剛才所講的用GPS這個草案的更低那是非常低那基本上經營公共生活這部分的的隱私的期待是是相當相當的少的對這就重點就剛剛那個我想請教部長就是因為空拍機的部分他可能涉及到這個\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案。」\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案\n那個必須盡快有法律的依據啦是那所以我們剛剛講的這些工具我相信我們法務部應該都已經有在思考要怎麼去讓他們這個合法化了是那我也請我們法務部就是後續的這個這個相關的這個修法或是相關的這個制定的過程應該要\n加緊腳步 讓我們所有的這個同仁在使用這些科技工具上能夠有一個依法性。那另外就是草案第三條有提及就是調查過程中因為技術無可避免取得第三人的個資。那僅得供這個調查目的之比對且於調查實施結束後應該要刪除。\n那我想請教就是當遇上我們上述剛剛講的提及的狀況對於資料有無銷毀應該要如何來確認那需不需要有獨立審查的人員來確保\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案 案 案\n洗錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案\n各位報告關於這個M4車無可避免的會取到因為技術上它無可避免的會涉及到第三人那除了比對目的之外我們要求它收完證就應急刪除但這條事後如果去控管這法規上因為屬於技術上的問題我們沒有在法規上寫但是我們未來會要求所有的司法警察執行機關要定在內機內控上面就這個銷毀做一些特別的規定那我們檢察官據偽偵查組織的角色我們也會去監督這個司法檢察機關的內機內控\n獨立審查的人員就是檢察官喔?」\n那我想我們從草案的內容來看對於這個調查隱私空間的發動門檻還有調查的方式也都有這個更加嚴格的規範那包括使用這個高倍數的攝影攝影機或是這個熱顯熱顯像設備也都是打擊重要這個重案的非常重要的一個手段跟工具當然也希望我們透過科技偵查的這個應用\n錢防制法第五條及第五條之一條文修正草案案 案 。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.807 --> 00:16.692\n好謝謝主席我們有請政部長請政部長部長早委員早\n\n00:18.249 --> 00:44.061\n我們今天要審查的是這個科技偵查及這個保障法的相關草案那主要是因應我們這個科技的日新月異那犯罪的型態也越來越多元同時也是打詐事法當中最重要的一個調查武器那誠如草案說明所寫這部這個法律是為了要確保我們偵查機關運用科技方式來進行偵查的一個合法性\n\n00:44.841 --> 01:10.303\n那同時也保障人民的一個基本權更重要的是要讓調查犯罪的工具不再落後那最近風靡全台的這個黃仁勳執行長他也曾說台灣是AI的一個起點但2024年的台灣似乎同時擁有最先進的科技和最原始的一個調查手段所以不論是定定這個科真法還是有委員提出希望能夠修形式訴訟法\n\n01:11.044 --> 01:24.242\n那儘快讓科技偵查的這種手段有法律的基礎相信是我們各黨的一個高度共識那我在此我想請教就是說這個對於這個立專法還是立專章的部分\n\n01:25.482 --> 01:32.207\n法務部及司法院之間有沒有對此有一個溝通過的機制?有沒有?\n\n01:55.182 --> 01:56.384\n錢防制法及保障法草案案案。\n\n02:00.731 --> 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