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00:03:00,621\n那55歲到61歲我們現在就養是61歲那這個6歲的差距大概是2000多個人人數也不算很多所以基於照顧袍澤羅明的精神我們基本上我們會相關的一些就養的一些規定辦法原住民這部分條件要55歲然後我們要向行政院爭取納入法規的修正公務委員做報告\n\n9\n00:03:01,141 --> 00:03:16,325\n好謝謝主委因為本席提出幾個字幾個數字認為主委為什麼讓原住民的公費就養應該降到55歲的原因跟理由第一\n\n10\n00:03:17,048 --> 00:03:40,618\n原住民人口僅在人口數的2.5%但原住民在國軍志願役人數卻在高達8.7尤其是今時的特種部隊中族人比例甚至超過半數這顯示原住民對國家的貢獻應該得到的尊重第二\n\n11\n00:03:41,459 --> 00:04:02,241\n關於年老部分原住民平均移民比一般少了7到10歲左右如果用一般人的老年來定義原住民的老年這是假平等那第三經濟狀況的方面110年度調查顯示原住民主家庭\n\n12\n00:04:03,182 --> 00:04:28,301\n可支配所得的每一副是78.58萬元而一般國民可支配所得每一副是109萬.6元所以原住民的信息水準僅為一般家庭的七成所以第四現在原住民老人的這個政策降低標準為55歲的案例有一\n\n13\n00:04:29,232 --> 00:04:37,543\n原住民給付二新北市原住民健保補助三六度愛心進勞進勞卡資格是公費\n\n14\n00:04:40,740 --> 00:05:08,554\n肺炎鏈球菌疫苗施打可見各級政府已經用實際政策在定義原住民的老人這個55歲所以主委希望能夠趕快定案那讓我們全國這些榮民榮健得到更加的一些照顧因為他是等同我們一般榮民之家的一個照顧的一環\n\n15\n00:05:09,494 --> 00:05:24,294\n那另外我們追溯到這個原住民的傳統的領域那國民政府來台占用不少原住民的傳統領域在其中退股會也有一些土地如何處理\n\n16\n00:05:27,048 --> 00:05:49,655\n蔡政府前總統曾經針對原住民土地流失的問題說過追溯歷史的真相其中就特別提到退補會我們講原住民土地流失最主要的因為在民國36年當時以臺灣省政府制定一個土地清理辦法\n\n17\n00:05:50,655 --> 00:06:18,230\n那結果把原住民的土地全部收歸國有那這些土地後來變成林務局臺堂包含我們退普會的土地那雖然民國96年行政院核定補助增劃邊原住民保留地及實施計劃但這主要是做清查的工作原住民要處理使用傳統領域及土地的使用限制所以\n\n18\n00:06:19,434 --> 00:06:34,783\n本席認為說有一些閒置的空間是不是可以規劃我們這個原住民組的一個社會專屬社會住宅那因為在我看一下這個\n\n19\n00:06:38,044 --> 00:07:06,076\n這個地方你看好原住民土地的權利恢復還有很長的路本席建議退不會可以換個思維就退不會現有的都會席閒置的土地或舊設看是否能夠供有原住民的專屬社會住宅以照顧我們這個原住民的這個榮賤榮民包含活化這些閒置的土地諸委您認為呢\n\n20\n00:07:07,663 --> 00:07:25,838\n委員我請我們事業處處長跟您做一個詳細的說明好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正委員剛剛提的問題我跟您報告目前為止我們農場土地大概有6238公頃在原住民地區的土地有4810公頃剩餘1500公頃在平地地區\n\n21\n00:07:29,861 --> 00:07:55,281\n不屬於原住民地但是沒有一塊土地是屬於傳統領域跟所謂的原住民保留區那真化邊的部分從民國109年開始申請以後總共申請了54公頃我們審查符合規定的完了51公頃剩下還有3公頃在各縣市政府的相公所在那邊審查如果符合規定我們一定會歸還這個土地絕對沒有問題\n\n22\n00:07:57,062 --> 00:08:18,551\n根據這個退補會的清查的閒置空間現有隆起工廠建物一棟閒置土地有664筆面積約56公頃這些建物的土地應該要活化所以我提到這樣的議題你們思考一下好不好是好謝謝謝謝黃仁委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n362\t25427\t有請謝謝主席有請我們嚴主委來主委請委員好你好新人新政新作風也希望有一個新的里程碑在你任內那當然我們看到你的業務報告裡面就是按就看這個就養的一個年齡\n26929\t36105\t那我就針對原住民的這個部分的救養的議題因為現在我們在中央人民會政策\n37794\t63162\t已經制定出來就是我們降低到55歲能夠得享以各項的一些補助那當然各縣市裡面就按照地方的收支財政作為劃分他的一個能不能補助那以中央的制定出這個全國原住民的政策裡面就是以55歲為標準\n64932\t89102\t所以我看這個就養業務是退補會最重要的一個業務當然我們這個榮民之家就等同我們的長照的一個一環本身認為之所以就養業務就是本意照顧榮民不只是榮民生活無欲也讓榮民尊嚴的生活如此才能\n91212\t110763\t提現國家對農民奉獻的一個感謝退不回的公費就養年齡定為61歲以上但卻沒有考慮到原住民的特殊性請問主委你認為這將原住民農民就養年齡認定規定降低\n113745\t137385\t跟委員報告我們在上個月28號也跟原民會去協調去協商瞭解原住民相關的一些目前的福利的措施誠如委員剛剛所說的降低55歲的案例這些原住民的給付還有這些健保這些都有很多的措施\n138226\t152676\t因為我們本著照顧榮民榮譽在這種服務照顧的這種精神現在榮民屬於原住民部分在我們退補會有一萬人一萬是榮民\n153737\t180621\t那55歲到61歲我們現在就養是61歲那這個6歲的差距大概是2000多個人人數也不算很多所以基於照顧袍澤羅明的精神我們基本上我們會相關的一些就養的一些規定辦法原住民這部分條件要55歲然後我們要向行政院爭取納入法規的修正公務委員做報告\n181141\t196325\t好謝謝主委因為本席提出幾個字幾個數字認為主委為什麼讓原住民的公費就養應該降到55歲的原因跟理由第一\n197048\t220618\t原住民人口僅在人口數的2.5%但原住民在國軍志願役人數卻在高達8.7尤其是今時的特種部隊中族人比例甚至超過半數這顯示原住民對國家的貢獻應該得到的尊重第二\n221459\t242241\t關於年老部分原住民平均移民比一般少了7到10歲左右如果用一般人的老年來定義原住民的老年這是假平等那第三經濟狀況的方面110年度調查顯示原住民主家庭\n243182\t268301\t可支配所得的每一副是78.58萬元而一般國民可支配所得每一副是109萬.6元所以原住民的信息水準僅為一般家庭的七成所以第四現在原住民老人的這個政策降低標準為55歲的案例有一\n269232\t277543\t原住民給付二新北市原住民健保補助三六度愛心進勞進勞卡資格是公費\n280740\t308554\t肺炎鏈球菌疫苗施打可見各級政府已經用實際政策在定義原住民的老人這個55歲所以主委希望能夠趕快定案那讓我們全國這些榮民榮健得到更加的一些照顧因為他是等同我們一般榮民之家的一個照顧的一環\n309494\t324294\t那另外我們追溯到這個原住民的傳統的領域那國民政府來台占用不少原住民的傳統領域在其中退股會也有一些土地如何處理\n327048\t349655\t蔡政府前總統曾經針對原住民土地流失的問題說過追溯歷史的真相其中就特別提到退補會我們講原住民土地流失最主要的因為在民國36年當時以臺灣省政府制定一個土地清理辦法\n350655\t378230\t那結果把原住民的土地全部收歸國有那這些土地後來變成林務局臺堂包含我們退普會的土地那雖然民國96年行政院核定補助增劃邊原住民保留地及實施計劃但這主要是做清查的工作原住民要處理使用傳統領域及土地的使用限制所以\n379434\t394783\t本席認為說有一些閒置的空間是不是可以規劃我們這個原住民組的一個社會專屬社會住宅那因為在我看一下這個\n398044\t426076\t這個地方你看好原住民土地的權利恢復還有很長的路本席建議退不會可以換個思維就退不會現有的都會席閒置的土地或舊設看是否能夠供有原住民的專屬社會住宅以照顧我們這個原住民的這個榮賤榮民包含活化這些閒置的土地諸委您認為呢\n427663\t445838\t委員我請我們事業處處長跟您做一個詳細的說明好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正委員剛剛提的問題我跟您報告目前為止我們農場土地大概有6238公頃在原住民地區的土地有4810公頃剩餘1500公頃在平地地區\n449861\t475281\t不屬於原住民地但是沒有一塊土地是屬於傳統領域跟所謂的原住民保留區那真化邊的部分從民國109年開始申請以後總共申請了54公頃我們審查符合規定的完了51公頃剩下還有3公頃在各縣市政府的相公所在那邊審查如果符合規定我們一定會歸還這個土地絕對沒有問題\n477062\t498551\t根據這個退補會的清查的閒置空間現有隆起工廠建物一棟閒置土地有664筆面積約56公頃這些建物的土地應該要活化所以我提到這樣的議題你們思考一下好不好是好謝謝謝謝黃仁委員\n","txt":"有請謝謝主席有請我們嚴主委來主委請委員好你好新人新政新作風也希望有一個新的里程碑在你任內那當然我們看到你的業務報告裡面就是按就看這個就養的一個年齡\n那我就針對原住民的這個部分的救養的議題因為現在我們在中央人民會政策\n已經制定出來就是我們降低到55歲能夠得享以各項的一些補助那當然各縣市裡面就按照地方的收支財政作為劃分他的一個能不能補助那以中央的制定出這個全國原住民的政策裡面就是以55歲為標準\n所以我看這個就養業務是退補會最重要的一個業務當然我們這個榮民之家就等同我們的長照的一個一環本身認為之所以就養業務就是本意照顧榮民不只是榮民生活無欲也讓榮民尊嚴的生活如此才能\n提現國家對農民奉獻的一個感謝退不回的公費就養年齡定為61歲以上但卻沒有考慮到原住民的特殊性請問主委你認為這將原住民農民就養年齡認定規定降低\n跟委員報告我們在上個月28號也跟原民會去協調去協商瞭解原住民相關的一些目前的福利的措施誠如委員剛剛所說的降低55歲的案例這些原住民的給付還有這些健保這些都有很多的措施\n因為我們本著照顧榮民榮譽在這種服務照顧的這種精神現在榮民屬於原住民部分在我們退補會有一萬人一萬是榮民\n那55歲到61歲我們現在就養是61歲那這個6歲的差距大概是2000多個人人數也不算很多所以基於照顧袍澤羅明的精神我們基本上我們會相關的一些就養的一些規定辦法原住民這部分條件要55歲然後我們要向行政院爭取納入法規的修正公務委員做報告\n好謝謝主委因為本席提出幾個字幾個數字認為主委為什麼讓原住民的公費就養應該降到55歲的原因跟理由第一\n原住民人口僅在人口數的2.5%但原住民在國軍志願役人數卻在高達8.7尤其是今時的特種部隊中族人比例甚至超過半數這顯示原住民對國家的貢獻應該得到的尊重第二\n關於年老部分原住民平均移民比一般少了7到10歲左右如果用一般人的老年來定義原住民的老年這是假平等那第三經濟狀況的方面110年度調查顯示原住民主家庭\n可支配所得的每一副是78.58萬元而一般國民可支配所得每一副是109萬.6元所以原住民的信息水準僅為一般家庭的七成所以第四現在原住民老人的這個政策降低標準為55歲的案例有一\n原住民給付二新北市原住民健保補助三六度愛心進勞進勞卡資格是公費\n肺炎鏈球菌疫苗施打可見各級政府已經用實際政策在定義原住民的老人這個55歲所以主委希望能夠趕快定案那讓我們全國這些榮民榮健得到更加的一些照顧因為他是等同我們一般榮民之家的一個照顧的一環\n那另外我們追溯到這個原住民的傳統的領域那國民政府來台占用不少原住民的傳統領域在其中退股會也有一些土地如何處理\n蔡政府前總統曾經針對原住民土地流失的問題說過追溯歷史的真相其中就特別提到退補會我們講原住民土地流失最主要的因為在民國36年當時以臺灣省政府制定一個土地清理辦法\n那結果把原住民的土地全部收歸國有那這些土地後來變成林務局臺堂包含我們退普會的土地那雖然民國96年行政院核定補助增劃邊原住民保留地及實施計劃但這主要是做清查的工作原住民要處理使用傳統領域及土地的使用限制所以\n本席認為說有一些閒置的空間是不是可以規劃我們這個原住民組的一個社會專屬社會住宅那因為在我看一下這個\n這個地方你看好原住民土地的權利恢復還有很長的路本席建議退不會可以換個思維就退不會現有的都會席閒置的土地或舊設看是否能夠供有原住民的專屬社會住宅以照顧我們這個原住民的這個榮賤榮民包含活化這些閒置的土地諸委您認為呢\n委員我請我們事業處處長跟您做一個詳細的說明好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正委員剛剛提的問題我跟您報告目前為止我們農場土地大概有6238公頃在原住民地區的土地有4810公頃剩餘1500公頃在平地地區\n不屬於原住民地但是沒有一塊土地是屬於傳統領域跟所謂的原住民保留區那真化邊的部分從民國109年開始申請以後總共申請了54公頃我們審查符合規定的完了51公頃剩下還有3公頃在各縣市政府的相公所在那邊審查如果符合規定我們一定會歸還這個土地絕對沒有問題\n根據這個退補會的清查的閒置空間現有隆起工廠建物一棟閒置土地有664筆面積約56公頃這些建物的土地應該要活化所以我提到這樣的議題你們思考一下好不好是好謝謝謝謝黃仁委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.362 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