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00:00:18,683\n我們10點30分的時候會先休息5分鐘。謝謝主席。來,我們邀請比陸委會更了解中國大陸的國部長。來,請國部長。\n\n2\n00:00:34,289 --> 00:01:00,778\n法定主席發布到現在看起來各界對你期待還蠻高的啦謝謝評價不錯不過今天要談你的三大挑戰這應該也是賴清德賴總統當初給你的三大挑戰第一電到底有夠嗎而且不只要過它要是一個穩定的電而且是低碳的電我們看剛才我們的主席我們的召委對不對說這幾天\n\n3\n00:01:03,789 --> 00:01:23,956\n黃仁鑫IC的這個巨頭都現在在台灣嘛這看起來你剛才報告也特別提到了整個AI的這個AI跟這個半導體的發展是你重中之重可是它耗電都非常重喔所以我現在要給你討論的它你有沒有辦法做到一個穩定的電跟低碳的電來我們看一下看一下第三張的這個砲盆來\n\n4\n00:01:27,778 --> 00:01:40,028\n你現在看你的螢幕你第一次來你看螢幕裡面右下角我們先討論我們台灣的電到底足夠之外穩不穩定你看右下角這個圖這是每一個月風力發電的發電量對哪四個月發電發電量最少\n\n5\n00:01:52,128 --> 00:02:07,478\n你這個圖看起來,比較高的發電量就高嘛對不對?那這個比較矮的發電量最少嗎?對矽光灰發電量最小?這四個月,這是夏天的時候對啊,現在嘛67896789不是我們用電統計的時間,最需要電的時候,結果風地發電又是最少\n\n6\n00:02:19,959 --> 00:02:28,438\n這裏面從這個圖還看出來一個問題你看十幾個月裏面高低起伏非常的大而且一到三月跟十到十二月\n\n7\n00:02:30,868 --> 00:02:52,398\n發電是最多的,其他特別是我們要電的時候,非常的低,所以它不穩定嘛,第二個點,它有先天的切線,天氣越來越少,所以它不見得是一個穩定的電,所以是不是這樣,對不對,這個結論可以嗎?對齁,第二點,不只是風電而已,太陽也會死,\n\n8\n00:02:57,315 --> 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我知道\n356334\t375981\t所以能夠解決的要請德賴總統嗎?請你報告委員現在是這樣,我考慮在這個法的架構之下,我有其他的方法嗎?我有其他的方法可以解決現在目前欠電的問題,如果有可能發生欠電,這個要怎麼解決?這因為有法律的問題我比較難處理,但是我可以利用風跟光的部分來解決這個問題\n382543\t386969\t我查台電的這個數據,增加差不多只有4%而已,被你4%你都增加多少,又不穩定了,我們看下一個啦,我知道你在講的是那個天然氣啦,來,你4J到5J接得上嗎?\n401886\t402246\t三福的生態、漁業經濟的爭議\n427270\t447390\t五街影響更大了五白海豚的這個生態的這個爭議他從2021年3月開的第一次的這個環評之後相隔21個月那把現在時間再加上去可能有30幾個月都不夠幾個啊你的四街跟五街真的接得上來嗎你如果接不上來真的出了一個插手\n448631\t475198\t有天然氣你還沒辦法一轉是沒有錯我們現在是把各省的這個狀況開始在做這個精密的這個評估那剛才委員所指教的這個不穩定的事情現在已經有這個比較智慧整合智慧調度這個部分包括AI也是可以在禮拜來調什麼樣智慧調度不要調去調到那個調到像\n475678\t482160\t陶園陶園 陶園 陶園 陶園 陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園\n504830\t531163\t執行的時候都說 現在連公股的聯貸銀行都評估可能都有風險 現在兩個問題 公股銀行要不要貸款給他這是一個 因為價錢太高嘛 啊第二你一堆六塊都沒人買所以在風電的推動上又是另外一個問題另外我特別提醒一件事 我們看一下風電當然是要推動國產化可是部長你前陣子有看到幾個國外媒體的提醒\n532185\t534007\t我們這個這一部分會接受這個委員的指導這個部分我們會深入評估\n558103\t558683\t主席\n588268\t588288\t謝謝張啓楷\n","txt":"我們10點30分的時候會先休息5分鐘。謝謝主席。來,我們邀請比陸委會更了解中國大陸的國部長。來,請國部長。\n法定主席發布到現在看起來各界對你期待還蠻高的啦謝謝評價不錯不過今天要談你的三大挑戰這應該也是賴清德賴總統當初給你的三大挑戰第一電到底有夠嗎而且不只要過它要是一個穩定的電而且是低碳的電我們看剛才我們的主席我們的召委對不對說這幾天\n黃仁鑫IC的這個巨頭都現在在台灣嘛這看起來你剛才報告也特別提到了整個AI的這個AI跟這個半導體的發展是你重中之重可是它耗電都非常重喔所以我現在要給你討論的它你有沒有辦法做到一個穩定的電跟低碳的電來我們看一下看一下第三張的這個砲盆來\n你現在看你的螢幕你第一次來你看螢幕裡面右下角我們先討論我們台灣的電到底足夠之外穩不穩定你看右下角這個圖這是每一個月風力發電的發電量對哪四個月發電發電量最少\n你這個圖看起來,比較高的發電量就高嘛對不對?那這個比較矮的發電量最少嗎?對矽光灰發電量最小?這四個月,這是夏天的時候對啊,現在嘛67896789不是我們用電統計的時間,最需要電的時候,結果風地發電又是最少\n這裏面從這個圖還看出來一個問題你看十幾個月裏面高低起伏非常的大而且一到三月跟十到十二月\n發電是最多的,其他特別是我們要電的時候,非常的低,所以它不穩定嘛,第二個點,它有先天的切線,天氣越來越少,所以它不見得是一個穩定的電,所以是不是這樣,對不對,這個結論可以嗎?對齁,第二點,不只是風電而已,太陽也會死,\n太陽能也是嘛 對不對太陽能不要講說太陽下山就沒有發電了有時候天空飄過一朵雲電力就開始有波動嘛 對不對所以這兩個都是不夠穩定的電這老實講國際媒體跟專家也都提出這樣的一個提醒第一你要的是一個低碳的電 對不對是一個低碳的電嘛結果你看三月份連亞馬遜都扛不住啦\n亞馬遜花了多少?207.5億去買核電所以你現在克服了兩個很重要的問題第一 再生能源 風電跟太陽能我們是要發展沒有錯可是它是一個不穩定的電 像你剛才在說的你要發展AI 半導體它要非常非常穩定的電 對不對?看起來你的挑戰很大第二 核電到底怎麼辦?我們再看下一個連亞馬遜都要發這麼多錢了\n青大河工所的教授 葉教授 葉宗光他說他特別要提起你剛才鄭省委員說你有把這個河山廠當成這個備用的對不對備援的電力我是比較高興的你有覺得你的動畫好像那個已經快渴死還沒瓦解你有這種感覺嗎來我分析給你聽我用葉教授的方法分析給你聽他說你如果要當成一個\n配員的電力跌下河山廠馬上一號機727馬上就要停了要處理你要做幾個動作第一個你先提出你的執照更新的申請第二你要進行必要的安檢跟測試第三你要取得管制機關的全域的許可第四你這個機組才能夠保持待機隨時可以用你這個動作如果都沒做你怎麼會是配員的電力停下\n報告委員\n這個目前的法還在存在我現在這個法是在這個法的這個框架之下我必須要依法行事所以這個部份那發修掉我就會按照這個程序去進行\n現在是因為依法我是不能夠進行這個程序的所以這一點 給委員報告就是 說我現在是 現在這個問題要解 要解解就是 執政黨要 執政黨自己要想辦法嘛 要嘛你執政黨修法那不修法狀態下你要不要做到一個 可以先提出執照的這更新的申請你自己要去解套啦 是這樣 我放下講就說國發會主委要做這樣的事情嘛你又太重要 這要用電的啊 我知道\n所以能夠解決的要請德賴總統嗎?請你報告委員現在是這樣,我考慮在這個法的架構之下,我有其他的方法嗎?我有其他的方法可以解決現在目前欠電的問題,如果有可能發生欠電,這個要怎麼解決?這因為有法律的問題我比較難處理,但是我可以利用風跟光的部分來解決這個問題\n我查台電的這個數據,增加差不多只有4%而已,被你4%你都增加多少,又不穩定了,我們看下一個啦,我知道你在講的是那個天然氣啦,來,你4J到5J接得上嗎?\n三福的生態、漁業經濟的爭議\n五街影響更大了五白海豚的這個生態的這個爭議他從2021年3月開的第一次的這個環評之後相隔21個月那把現在時間再加上去可能有30幾個月都不夠幾個啊你的四街跟五街真的接得上來嗎你如果接不上來真的出了一個插手\n有天然氣你還沒辦法一轉是沒有錯我們現在是把各省的這個狀況開始在做這個精密的這個評估那剛才委員所指教的這個不穩定的事情現在已經有這個比較智慧整合智慧調度這個部分包括AI也是可以在禮拜來調什麼樣智慧調度不要調去調到那個調到像\n陶園陶園 陶園 陶園 陶園 陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園陶園\n執行的時候都說 現在連公股的聯貸銀行都評估可能都有風險 現在兩個問題 公股銀行要不要貸款給他這是一個 因為價錢太高嘛 啊第二你一堆六塊都沒人買所以在風電的推動上又是另外一個問題另外我特別提醒一件事 我們看一下風電當然是要推動國產化可是部長你前陣子有看到幾個國外媒體的提醒\n我們這個這一部分會接受這個委員的指導這個部分我們會深入評估\n主席\n謝謝張啓楷\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:18.683\n我們10點30分的時候會先休息5分鐘。謝謝主席。來,我們邀請比陸委會更了解中國大陸的國部長。來,請國部長。\n\n00:34.289 --> 01:00.778\n法定主席發布到現在看起來各界對你期待還蠻高的啦謝謝評價不錯不過今天要談你的三大挑戰這應該也是賴清德賴總統當初給你的三大挑戰第一電到底有夠嗎而且不只要過它要是一個穩定的電而且是低碳的電我們看剛才我們的主席我們的召委對不對說這幾天\n\n01:03.789 --> 01:23.956\n黃仁鑫IC的這個巨頭都現在在台灣嘛這看起來你剛才報告也特別提到了整個AI的這個AI跟這個半導體的發展是你重中之重可是它耗電都非常重喔所以我現在要給你討論的它你有沒有辦法做到一個穩定的電跟低碳的電來我們看一下看一下第三張的這個砲盆來\n\n01:27.778 --> 01:40.028\n你現在看你的螢幕你第一次來你看螢幕裡面右下角我們先討論我們台灣的電到底足夠之外穩不穩定你看右下角這個圖這是每一個月風力發電的發電量對哪四個月發電發電量最少\n\n01:52.128 --> 02:07.478\n你這個圖看起來,比較高的發電量就高嘛對不對?那這個比較矮的發電量最少嗎?對矽光灰發電量最小?這四個月,這是夏天的時候對啊,現在嘛67896789不是我們用電統計的時間,最需要電的時候,結果風地發電又是最少\n\n02:19.959 --> 02:28.438\n這裏面從這個圖還看出來一個問題你看十幾個月裏面高低起伏非常的大而且一到三月跟十到十二月\n\n02:30.868 --> 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